so all three of the deviluke sisters are golds
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old galleon
also, event has darkness branding but they don't wear these outfits a lot in darkness
yami's the fourth....also ssr, as expected
so we get at least four collab golds
haruna's the fifth, but purple
so what i'm getting out of this is that all the humans are purple and all the aliens are gold
(so far)
they are really dragging this out
teh first four reveals were quick
but they're stalling after haruna lol
one eternity later, yui's the sixth, also purple
so far, 4 gold aliens and 2 purple humans
reveal purple mikan to complete it
some joke about mikan was made to mafia kajita just now lol
oh it looks like mikan didn't make it
LMAO
and normal oath apparently confirmed so skk can cuck rito with literally any of these six if you're into that
the three devilukes are all frontliners, the other three are backliners
i'm pretty sure momo's the welfare
i'm totally fine with that
peke augment was right there for lala, but ok
peke aux was also right there for lala, but okay
i guess peke's just dead in a ditch or something
(actually just dead on her head)
surely they'll show skins soon, right?
finally, skins time
if the lala one's any indication, they'll be depictions of ecchi situations a la the series proper
fairly tame all things considered but i'm spoilering anyway
also peke's alive here, in the far back running to assist
i think the angle's playing tricks, nana is not supposed to be tall
so this is why the collab has darkness branding
the outfit and scenario are straight from it
yami what the hell
the haruna one is downright normal
yui what the hell
(looks normal until you realize the shirt is see-through)
uvh jumpscare
2 germans now
new purple meta is giulio cesare and next cruise pass skin is for weser
game stuff appears to be over so i'm checking out
rapid bough
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lol is this not the shirt she's holding on the black friday login screen
avp skin is blessed, shame it's only dynamic and not l2d
i know basically nothing about TLR so the collab is just collection fodder for me
slow raft
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summer hornet
I only have one copy of S Anis, so she was inevitably stuck at Bond 10
At the current point in time OG Anis has the highest bond level, but for a while it was Rapi
runic ether
they nerfed them both??
not by much but ???
oh i see we are getting rememberance tb early and hard meta so u are forced to pull fugue if u want rememberance meta + superbreak
dull bridge
wait what's the next thing
planet
remembrance??
do we finally get march memoleeper form?
rapid bough
well i let impulse win and bought the l2d lucky bag and it gave me the maid skin, so i guess my decision has been made for me
oh yeah it's peak
wispy goblet
if I install Nikke on my phone
can I play on the same account
rapid bough
yes
wispy goblet
is it a space hog?
Thanks Nikke
Very nostalgic
Well, this is kind of embarassing
rapid bough
lol
the cutoff for stat gathering for this whole thing was definitely before the anni
kinda amateur oversight by the devs considering how many players typically start playing during anni events
glossy latch
Furina upgraded
Slowly working my way through my roster to get everyone up to snuff
summer hornet
@runic ether what're the best weapons to snag from the battle pass in your opinion? I know you've mentioned the Serpent Spine before
runic ether
thats kind of it
okay not really lol
p much all of them are worth it depending on your account
but serpent spine is the best by far especially if u plan on getting dupes
its better than a lot of 5 star weapons period
but for instance
if you have a catalyst user(s) with hp scaling like neuvillette or mualani, they both can appreciate sacrificial jade
deathmatch is kind of a generalist polearm. outclassed by high refine f2p and 5 stars, but its a perfect "middle ground" if you lack options
ballad of the fjords is pretty good for any quickbloom or melt/vape teams
black sword is okay for clorinde
wolf-fang is specific but good
scion of the blazing sun is a very solid bow with a fair bit of users but similiar to deathmatch
just kind of a generalist
talking stick is a meme
solar pearl is also a genearlist/good weapon for all characters
viridescent hunt is same as scion but a bit worse for some characters
basically besides serpent spine
all of them are just nice little incidental upgrades and/or account help so that u arent super pressured on pulling weapons
summer hornet
So Serpent Spine >> Deathmatch/Scion/Solar Pearl > Sacrificial Jade/Fjords > Black Sword/Wolf-Fang > Talking Stick?
either way I guess I'm grabbing Serpent Spine lol
summer hornet
still struggling to clutch for Nahida rn
runic ether
if an account has both mualani + neuvillette and didnt get either character's weapon
summer hornet
And I did get Mualani's weapon lol
runic ether
then they have at best, 1 super good catalyst option available between 2 characters
at that point, sacrificial jade is best
glossy latch
Almost forgor to do Abyss, damn
10 and 11 are so easy now, wonder if I can finally max out 12
old galleon
i know basically nothing about TLR so the collab is just collection fodder for m...
Thoughts on the character designs?
rapid bough
all of them are pretty good, favorites are between yami and yui and least favorite is haruka followed by nana
yami skin is WILD
momo skin is also good shit
slow raft
yknow, now that im of from work and can actually look at some of these
rapid bough
i won't be buying any of them but i can at least appreciate some proper lewd collab content
since nikke doesn't have any of that shit
rapid bough
the yami skin is the only one that made me think "should this be posted here" lol
runic ether
10 and 11 are so easy now, wonder if I can finally max out 12
you should be able to
tbh i think ur account should have been able to 36 star abyss for a while now. might be some specific gameplay parts that have stopped u before? though the last few abyss cycles before a new patch cycle is always really tough
slow raft
Yeah you can tell that this was cut off a bit early
I do like phantom tho
This is a good wish, right?
rapid bough
lmao
slow raft
i can theoretically do a 10 roll with gems and just get her but
ill wait out the last free pulls
runic ether
I barely failed to hit the time limit on the first chamber lmao
in this cycle? what are you running 1st chamber?
rapid bough
150 of which are from the grave banner
sheeeeesh i didn't realize you'd pulled that much lol
at least you can hit pity so you don't have to walk away without abs mommy
old galleon
all of them are pretty good, favorites are between yami and yui and least favori...
haruna is definitely portrayed in the least ecchi way of the bunch, even in the actual story
she gets situations but is definitely the most tame one of them all, just part of her personality as the token gentle love interest
slow raft
is there pity pity or is there just buy from the shop pity
rapid bough
there's just buy from shop pity
old galleon
mileage is the game's pity, but it carries over between different banners
slow raft
ah well
glossy latch
Burning Kinich and Overloard Arle
rapid bough
but yeah the sparks carry over between banners
glossy latch
Maybe Im supposed to swap their order
rapid bough
so if you get her on one of your free pulls you just keep your 190 tickets to be cashed in on some future banner
that's how i entered this anni lol
old galleon
the fact it carries over is the best part of it imo
slow raft
thatd be the optimum yea
runic ether
Maybe Im supposed to swap their order
try arle 1st half
rapid bough
but it's counterbalanced by them carrying over between banners and nikke's generous rates imo
slow raft
speaking of buy from shop pity
old galleon
like 200 pull pity is a LOT of pulls
less than fgo or granblue pity/spark
esp for one that carries over
slow raft
i still need to decided which potential to get from my arknights pulls
old galleon
it's legit one of the best pity systems i've seen
slow raft
obvs not logos
rapid bough
idk much about granblue but isn't fgo notorious for having the most frustrating rates/pity of basically any gacha game, especially one that's run for so long
runic ether
1st half arle (not necessarily overload) is great at single target and aoe so she can easily pick off the consecrated beasts
slow raft
i have several of the limited operators at potential 3+ so i might aswell invest in them ig
old galleon
idk much about granblue but isn't fgo notorious for having the most frustrating ...
it didn't have pity for most of its life
runic ether
might be a good wrio or navia chamber though
slow raft
tho texas alter should theoretically benefit the most what with being a quick redeploy
🤔
old galleon
pity was added like a few years ago in jp, but game's been out there since 2015
slow raft
yeah fgo is uh
runic ether
navia is a great call in the 2nd half actually because you get the gravity fucker in the 2nd chamber 2nd half
old galleon
rates themselves are a bit low but i have seen lower
slow raft
its been stuck in the old ways for a while
old galleon
total ssr rate is 1%, with a solo rateup being .8% of that 1%
so only a 20% chance you get spooked at least
runic ether
and then 3rd chamber is easy for arle and the legate golem in the 2nd half is easily beaten by either overload or navia
slow raft
and yet i get spooked by the same unit twice in a row 
summer hornet
old galleon
granblue has two banner types: regular and gala; regular banners are 3% ssr, galas are 6% and have some special characters like grand and zodiacs
but the rateup on them are .3%
slow raft
(can you tell im still salty about that double jeanne lmao)
old galleon
so you get spooked a lot more in gbf
gbf also didn't originally have pity; you can go look up "monkeygate" for more
old galleon
(can you tell im still salty about that double jeanne lmao)
brutal
glossy latch
Unfortunately my Navia is not well geared rn
runic ether
i dont think she needs to be to clear as long as the rest of the team is good
basically using navia as a shield breaker is my thinking here
slow raft
limbus pity requires way to many pulls but since youre literally gonna get most of your units by spending ingame currency in the shop instead of rolling that doesnt really matter
limited units you cant buy the first time round but everyone just saves up pulls to get them so
old galleon
anyway, gbf's pity is the originator of nikke's, but gbf's doesn't carry over between banners and needs 300 sparks instead of 200
glossy latch
... ok I might need to gear up Fischl
Else the pyro resistent enemy in chamber 1 takes too long for the Arle team
old galleon
its mileage equivalent, cerulean sparks (and vermillion sparks for the classic banners) is the originator of the term "spark"
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slow raft
i havnent ye
old galleon
she must show up pretty deep in main story or in another event, since i haven't seen her yet either
slow raft
glossy latch
Or at all really, I have no one to pull for for a bit
rapid bough
she must show up pretty deep in main story or in another event, since i haven't ...
you just finished c18 right? you're very close to meeting her
honest pawn
<@219319817688186891>
https://x.com/amarmos_alter/status/1857364637819302277
thought this was angelica for a second
man.
glossy latch
Ill just keep upgrading my characters and then try again
slow raft
thought this was angelica for a second
its terminal i fear
old galleon
you just finished c18 right? you're very close to meeting her
yeah just killed storm bringer's ass and now i'm cleaning up the rest of ch 18 before moving on
honest pawn
its terminal i fear
slow raft
i have nothing but my brainrot
glossy latch
Still its odd, my characters are pretty well geared and Im still having trouble 36* Abyss
honest pawn
you will be there, lying in my sheets, O brainrot, so that you might once again attempt to enter my head
slow raft
limbus pity requires way to many pulls but since youre literally gonna get most ...
for reference, i have everything in the game rn
and if they dropped 8 of the highest rarity units rn, i could simply get them instantly
O brainrot, I have ended, you see, by respecting you, because I am certain you will never leave me.
runic ether
Still its odd, my characters are pretty well geared and Im still having trouble ...
might be a gameplay issue and/or a bad draw of the buff cards you get
hm
glossy latch
My Arle isnt optimal for sure, but Kinich should be
Im even doing the quickcancel of the skill to get an extra shot
old galleon
the yami skin is the only one that made me think "should this be posted here" lo...
oh also someone bonked it and the lala skin posts, so yeah
slow raft
"someone"
old galleon
hi someone
slow raft
me personally, im noone
honest pawn
I want you to know that there's a non-zero chance that ||me and a friend of mine will change our pfp's to roland and angelica||
old galleon
that sounds straight out of kingdom hearts
honest pawn
so if you see me with a washed up grade 9 fixer pfp, it's over for me
slow raft
that sounds straight out of kingdom hearts
i was thinking of homers odyssee but thats basicalyl the same thing
old galleon
i was thinking of homers odyssee but thats basicalyl the same thing
was that a line in the odyssey? been a while since i read it
i could see it tho
slow raft
odysseus tells the cyclops polyphemus the his name is "nobody" and when said cyclops yells for help he says "father help me, nobody has blinded me"
i read alot of greek myths as a child so some of them stuck with me
old galleon
oh right that was a thing
slow raft
coincidentally, the greek word odysseus used is "outis", so now we have circled back to limbus company
gee i wonder if that will ever come up in her canto 
old galleon
TRIUMPHANT CHAMPION OF ITHACA
slow raft
too late for that since the choice to make limbus a gacha i fear
glossy latch
The good part is that 150 gems every two weeks isnt like that much
So its not like I need to 36* Abyss
slow raft
binah is the funniest character in ruina
only interaction funnier than anything binah is in is when roland talks to tiph about tiph
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slow raft
binah is the funniest character in ruina
also one of the most based
slow raft
based and arbiter pilled
rapid bough
also you haven't met cecil yet i don't think but she's a baddie
btw i want to emphasize i was using "baddie" in the "bad bitch" sense, not antagonist. cecil has absolutely no right being as goated as she is for a side character
design is great too, kinda rare nikke design that's absolutely hot but not over the top horny or anything
old galleon
playable non-collab elf when
(i know her ears aren't actually elvish but the accessory on it makes it look like one)
rapid bough
it didn't have pity for most of its life
no pity for most of its runtime with a 1% rate sounds absolutely awful
hoyo gets away with its shit 0.6% rate with sensible pity systems that average to near-2% SSR rates
long tree
The pity is at 330 pulls too
slow raft
no pity for most of its runtime with a 1% rate sounds absolutely awful
hard carried by the ip lmao
rapid bough
so i've heard lol
old galleon
as a story, fgo does a lot of things right (and some things less right)
as a game....yeah there are issues
slow raft
some people dont care how many rolls it takes to ge tthe 50th version of sakura
or saber
long tree
Fgo is in dire need of a qol major update but they’re never gonna actually do it
slow raft
ever wanna replay story missions? good luck bro
old galleon
they did somewhat change servant coins after everyone and their mother got pissed at them for the shit they pulled at annin
(still no universal coins tho)
long tree
they did somewhat change servant coins after everyone and their mother got pisse...
made it worse
Like take an already whale focused mechanic
slow raft
imagine wanting to max out a standard 4 star
long tree
imagine wanting to max out a standard 4 star
We pray for regi
slow raft
actually more expensive than a limited 5 star :icant:
long tree
Fgo at the 15th anniversary when they drop skip tickets finally
old galleon
fgo not having skip tickets would be more manageable if load times were better and you could skip np's
long tree
(They’re £5 for 5)
summer hornet
We pray for regi
Currently, on NA, I'm done
long tree
love to hear it
old galleon
like gbf doesn't have skip tickets for shit like gw but it feels a lot more playable than fgo lottos tbh
long tree
It’s cause of the almighty refresh button
summer hornet
As for JP... I gotta double check how they did the bond servant coin upgrade
old galleon
yep
on the other hand, macros are actively bannable in gbf, whereas you can get away with using fga for fgo and not face any consequences
long tree
Honestly though if Dokkan is able to make significant qol updates there is 0 reason fgo cant (Dokkan is held together by hopes and prayers)
old galleon
so fga users might not mind as much
long tree
Behold the goku windmill
slow raft
speaking of fgo, saw art of paisen with the redrop ce outfit on the fyp, blessed day
rapid bough
Behold the goku windmill
this has the same energy as a loss edit
long tree
It’s very close to one
But since Dokkan is so old it can only work via digital puppetry, so either they use sprite sheets or have to put each individual frame in the game as an image
And they somehow do this with it
mental acorn
bro why does hypergryph keep doing this
we're getting playable misery, mechanist, and raidian... as temp recruits in the new gamemode over on cn
old galleon
got my second round of standard pity and took naga
so now it's all dupes from here
if i'm still not past 160 wall by the time i get to my next one, i probably just take liter since she's at 2*
otherwise all alice
old galleon
||you were at your most beautiful when you were anachiro||
seriously fuck all the way off
slow raft
Reading some of the lobby stuff really pissed me of
old galleon
yeah that's one of the ones from today
they definitely succeeded in making her easy to hate
astral drift
imagine wanting to max out a standard 4 star
It's my next project
slow raft
godspeed
rapid bough
time to see how far i can get in the solo raid challenge stage without grave or especially cindy since it's electric-weak lol
rapid bough
absolutely no shot this was anywhere close to optimal, especially since i'm lacking cindy and loads of OL gear for nikkes that really benefit from it
but tbh this is higher than i expected
especially since i fucked up the attempt on my first (and best) team and lost like 40sec of DPS
but CBA to go again, this boss is a headache
assuming i stay within 5%, that's 1200 gems when raid is over
even if i drop out, the next tier is 10% and that's 1100 so i ain't losing sleep over it
damn, doing a mock battle with just my first team that i messed up, i'm 99% sure it alone would reach this amount of damage if i had cindy lol
oh well
cindy / rouge / s.anis / crown / privaty would go mega hard
wispy goblet
damn
the intercept goes a little too hard for me rn
old galleon
you still do as much of it as you can; gear is gear and you'll make incremental progress
rapid bough
that's expected early on, it's a boss fight where the rewards increase in stages based on how far you get
even if you don't beat it (and you won't at low levels), it's worth doing since you still get rewards at certain thresholds of damage which you can see at the top of the screen
wispy goblet
oh
looks like doing a "real" attempt still counts as doing it for the day by day event
rapid bough
indeed
again, you aren't necessarily expected to beat it. an attempt (that gets to the end screen, either by winning, timeout, or your squad dying) is good enough
wispy goblet
What's the worthwhile stuff from the Old Tales
rapid bough
advanced vouchers > standard vouchers > skill books > role/manufacturer consoles (don't buy re:energy) > core dust > battle data > credits
the vouchers in particular should be your first buy every time
those are pulls and, as with every gacha, pulls are the most valuable currency
wispy goblet
makes sense
astral drift
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rapid bough
just out of curiosity, finally got to timeout on the boss with my first team instead of messing it up, about 1.1 billion damage total which is ~400m more than i had from my messed up attempt
honestly didn't realize s.anis could do this kind of damage
shoutout ein doing around 1/3 of her damage despite having much less investment tho
i'd use scarlet but then i would need to bring a healer for her, would rather use this comp with privaty
crown+privaty+resilience cube = 100% reload speed, you basically don't even get a reload animation lol
if only i had cindy, she'd be dropping tactical nukes w/ anis buff every other burst cycle
summer hornet
honestly didn't realize s.anis could do this kind of damage
She's been my MVP for a reason lol
(and at your suggestion too!)
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wispy goblet
time to send a tuner and a non-tuner to the graveyard
old galleon
synchro WHAT
summer hornet
Y'know now I think about it, that we don't have a single emote in this server based on the anime
Any of them
patent swift
😭
old galleon
got the 20 tickets from alice diary, and immediately got a naga dupe lol
rapid bough
blessed
old galleon
now if only her daughter would also show up
oh also i apparnetly forgot to put her in the synchro device last night, so i'll go do that now
also i uhh think i just slot her in either over grave, or over scarlet if i'm keeping cindy/red hood
not quite sure which approach to take
rapid bough
naga is basically just a mediocre healer without crown/tia if you're not using her to burst
not even sure she's worth slotting in
my go-to filler 5th squad members that just exist to buff and not burst are privaty and noir
if i need an off-burst healer i use (base) rapunzel, then naga (unless it's with crown in which case naga is the best off-burst support)
basically i wouldn't sweat trying to work naga into your team right this very moment, she's decent-not-great until paired with tia or crown at which point she becomes insane
old galleon
don't have rapunzel, noir, or crown yet, but the issue i have with privaty is she feels anti-synergetic with cindy specifically
the less ammo she has, the more time she has to spend charging up after reloading to start attacking
rapid bough
there's definitely anti-synergy there until you get 100% reload speed which you won't have without crown
old galleon
obv she's good supporting others tho
rapid bough
i'm not sure it will outweigh her damage buffs in general tho, especially for red hood
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copper steppe
i can’t believe they have sprites for mechanist and misery and they make them playable
torn harbor
I finally beat the first dungeon of the wizardry gacha
||god time travel is a headache XD||
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torn harbor
So far my opinion:
This is the most non-gacha feeling gacha I've played, ever
The most gacha-like mechanic is the guild tag mechanic
Even in comparison to the actual gacha mechanic lol
I like it
torn harbor
Hmmm
Playing the wizardry gacha
I think this is the first time I've ever seen an RPG gacha game which features the rpg classic
The random mob with an insta kill attack for some reason
rapid bough
black smith is killable, so that makes 3 out of the 5
that was me for a while as well. 3 out of 5 (same 3 as you), and barely stage 7 on train + grave digger until i broke the 160 wall i think, could be wrong though, maybe i beat them after getting a few pieces of OL gear
slow raft
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soo much raidian art holy
i forgot that this freak was gonna be in this canto
all the old people trying to wrap their head around livestreaming :icant:
summer hornet
https://x.com/tinpobattle/status/1857712809406321009
GUNDAM GUSION REBAKE FULL CITY?!
summer hornet
rapid bough
happy birthday regi 
glossy latch
Hap birth
wispy goblet
happy birthday
runic ether
happy bday
slow raft
happy birthday!
copper steppe
birth happy
digital marlin
Happy BDay pal
torn harbor
also i got into the star rail 3.0 beta 👀
give us leaks when it happens
digital marlin
also i got into the star rail 3.0 beta 👀
torn harbor
Happy birthday!
summer hornet
Thank you! Thanks, all of you guys
summer hornet
also i got into the star rail 3.0 beta 👀
HOLY SCHIST
long tree
Oh shit happy birthday regi
long tree
also i got into the star rail 3.0 beta 👀
patent swift
also i got into the star rail 3.0 beta 👀
YOOOOOO
dull bridge
dull bridge
also i got into the star rail 3.0 beta 👀
based
runic ether
only areo would get yanqing c1 ovre himeko copies
idle grove
old galleon
daishouri
dull bridge
only areo would get yanqing c1 ovre himeko copies
is himeko good?
i dont have her
i think shes the only standard I dont have
runic ether
shes the most powerful standard character rn
dull bridge
oh
ill grab a copy of her
is she good in any of the teams I run
acheron and ratio
and clara ig
runic ether
no shes good for pure fiction
dull bridge
oh
i do need someone for pure fiction
my clara team is having a tour time this one
normally she does really welp
versed pawn
can i have 3200 jades instead pls 
slow raft
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rigid pilot
They never multiplied into my account
Unlucky but I was never gonna pull deep into their banner
old galleon
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rapid bough
neat
another nikke released from NPC jail
we'll get her in a filler 2 week event after anni ends
then winter event will start
that'll prolly give 2 new limited winter nikkes + rerun the 4 from previous years
rapid bough
yeah i ain't pulling even if she's somehow better than cindy/grave lol
old galleon
i have plenty of mileage and gems but my ticket stock is in pretty short supply atm
so would be nice to save up a bit before next month
rapid bough
she'll enter the standard banner afterward to be wishlisted
i wonder what manufacturer she is... probably missilis, her name probably gives this away but she's meant to be a botanist, and science-coded nikkes are usually missilis
old galleon
yeah i ain't pulling even if she's somehow better than cindy/grave lol
would seem pretty awful for her to immediately powercreep the anni units lol
i dont' think they'll do that
rapid bough
lol they definitely won't
it would just be the wildest timeline
that said, she might very well be good as a bait banner before winter/new years events
we shall see
old galleon
i wouldn't be surprised
rapid bough
honestly kinda funny she gets released from NPC jail before several other nikkes
she hasn't appeared nearly as much as several other candidate NPCs
glossy latch
Wow, my second best team is so much worse than my best team in ZZZ
Ill have to really improve my Anton 😔
runic ether
harumasa will save anton 😔
well rt hes probably replacing but
ya know
anton still cool af
rapid bough
i only have two particularly functional teams
rapid bough
nicole/zhu/qingyi and burnice/jane/caesar, with jane being subbable with yanagi for electric weak
runic ether
billy hard carries
and then 2nd half is ellen or 11 or now yanagi
ive been quite impressed with yanagi
her gameplay is way more fun than i expected
rapid bough
yanagi gameplay kinda slaps
more interesting than jane anyway
- she's so stylish, her defensive assist/chain attack anis are goated
glossy latch
I do have C6 Billy, but I need a non-physical DPS
rapid bough
and ult
runic ether
I do have C6 Billy, but I need a non-physical DPS
weirdly enough i dont actually run billy in physical dps scenarios
rapid bough
i don't run billy at all and i have him C6 
runic ether
bc i run billy nicole, as long as they dont resist physical
rapid bough
(i do not have the dennies to get another char to 60 rn)
runic ether
he fucking shreds
glossy latch
Yeah my issue is physical resist enemies
You dont really have a lot of F2P options against those
runic ether
mhm
well
sokaku
soukaku is great at c6
as a dps
but thats not super f2p friendly
same with anby and anton but they do need more investment
old galleon
she hasn't appeared nearly as much as several other candidate NPCs
idk if i've even seen her yet
rapid bough
you haven't
old galleon
i just started chapter 19 a little while ago and met some totally not suspicious nikke whose name escapes me but you probably know who i mean
runic ether
im curious as to the role future 4 stars in zzz will take for sure
wispy goblet
weird question
do these live service gachas
have story endings
runic ether
part of me wonders if they will be as nice as seth
rapid bough
off the top of my head i actually do not know who you mean lol
runic ether
weird question
do these live service gachas
have story endings
honkai impact 3rd's story ended
old galleon
event stories? yes
main story? typically not until eos
wispy goblet
Hmm
old galleon
off the top of my head i actually do not know who you mean lol
the one who may or may not be playing burningum
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the one who may or may not be playing burningum
ah, papillon AKA torpedo tits
runic ether
genshin impact's story also has a clear end point
of course they will keep it going after but there is a very clear end point
rapid bough
fun fact about nikke's story: at some point they said that the entire story up til now and possibly up until chapter 40 or so is just the prologue
which is WILD
glossy latch
My Antons gear is probably rubbish but man
rapid bough
idek how that's possible with all that's happened
but they're clearly cooking some major extra shit behind the scenes
glossy latch
It sucks that you dont have great options if your guaranteed 5* didnt land on Soldier 11 or Ellen
runic ether
My Antons gear is probably rubbish but man
what team are u runnung for him?
*running
glossy latch
Amby/Rina/Anton
old galleon
"and for nikke's 10th anniversary, we're finally making liliweiss playable"
runic ether
hmm
wispy goblet
they'll resolve the Rapture story and then introduce an entirely new enemy
glossy latch
Its realistically the best I can do for him rn
wispy goblet
They'll reveal that the Commander is actually a Sayain
Nikke Z moment
rapid bough
"and for nikke's 10th anniversary, we're finally making liliweiss playable"
endgame powercreep
old galleon
they'll resolve the Rapture story and then introduce an entirely new enemy
this is just copy/pasting azur lane's story lol
glossy latch
Oh ok yeah nvm I didnt even level all of his discs
old galleon
"sirens aren't actually the bad guys, they're trying to fight an even bigger threat"
runic ether
that doesnt help
glossy latch
And theyre all 4* at most lmao
runic ether
disc 2, 4, 5, and 6 are very important for a dps
rapid bough
tbh nikke's been towing the line for a while now with what the raptures really are and whether humans or them "shot first" so to speak
runic ether
And theyre all 4* at most lmao
thats certainly not helping
rapid bough
and with nikkephobia being so prevalent there's definitely major "humans are the real monsters" energy going on
old galleon
i think the story was always gonna have a "humans are the real monsters" component to it
runic ether
spend a bit of time grinding up his core talent + skill and normal and ult and then gear him better
old galleon
but i think the raptures are still pretty damn monstrous in their own right
runic ether
rina can be a bit more barebones as long as her talent and skill are good
and then anby wants the investment
her damage is very good
for an anton/anby/rina team, you are leaving a fair bit on the table by not investing into anby more
rapid bough
i think the story was always gonna have a "humans are the real monsters" compone...
it definitely is/was, but story beats in the later campaign and how the MC develops (in general they're moving away from him as a faceless walkover MC, thankfully, since it limits their storytelling) start banging this drum more and more
and you haven't played last kingdom yet (unlock it in the archives), but ||they're going wild places with marian's story too||
old galleon
and you haven't played last kingdom yet (unlock it in the archives), but ||they'...
i only have 3 of the memory roll thingies, and more than 3 stories i want to unlock
rapid bough
you'll get one in each event
but starting with the 3 anni events in the archive (overzone, red ash, and last kingdom) is probably the best move
especially since old tales ties together red ash and overzone somewhat
last kingdom isn't a prequel like the other 3 anni events though, and you should also go through the second affection side story before going into last kingdom
runic ether
Id have to check how to build Anby tbh
crit/electric/impact
old galleon
hm aight
i already had everything you mentioned on my plate
plus idr if first affection also needed one or not
rapid bough
first affection does, but that's not the one i'm talking about
runic ether
2pc/2pc/2pc
rapid bough
second affection is a side story you can access any time for free
runic ether
shockstar, thunder, woodpecker or swing jazz
old galleon
oh i assumed second affection also needed one
rapid bough
first affection isn't really an event, just a cute story that accompanied modernia's popularity poll skin last year
runic ether
aim for some 60/120 crit ratio
old galleon
missed modernia free skin
account bricked
runic ether
for anton sub-dps anby, you'll probs just focus on 4pc shockstar
old galleon
this is why i specifically timed my entry to before red hood's skin vanished
rapid bough
correct choice
old galleon
if there's a "silver lining" in this, it's that i don't have modernia yet
(come home pls)
and that i actually like her default skin too
rapid bough
none of her skins are bad, and honestly i think her gacha skin (black queen i think it's called?) is her best skin but mostly because it changes her voice from childish to more mature
but first affection modernia is so wholesome
glossy latch
Also god ZZZ is stingy with money
rapid bough
welcome to hoyo games, please buy the monthly and season passes
runic ether
welcome to hoyo games, please buy the monthly and season passes
not true for genshin or hsr
old galleon
none of her skins are bad, and honestly i think her gacha skin (black queen i th...
hot take and idr if i've already said it but i'm not a huge fan of skin gachas
runic ether
going sub 1 million in genshin takes skill
rapid bough
not a hot take in the slightest lol
rapid bough
and nikke's gacha skins made the worst of an already bad system by being horrendously overpriced for what they offer
and i say this as an owner of two, though i regret one of them
old galleon
like seriously, just offer them normally
i much prefer how azur lane and arknights do skins
rapid bough
AL has their cosmetics down to a science, and fair play since it's how the game earns all its money
old galleon
i didn't like the concept in gfl and i don't like it here
rapid bough
nikke attaching all of its cosmetics to passes that give extra resources so they can inflate the price is infuriating
season passes are at least decent value for pulls with the skin as the main reward
the gacha skin pricing is awful, no good, very bad though
but i really wish they'd just make use of the already existing skin section of the cash shop
but i think they sorta backed themselves into a corner because if they start offering solo skins in the cash shop it might piss off the people who paid extra for the season pass + skin on release
and that's why they haven't rerun any skins (besides rupee's gacha skin but that was a special case)
rapid bough
but i really wish they'd just make use of the *already existing* skin section of...
the worst part of this arragenemnt right now though is that the skins in the cash shop cost $20, i.e. the same amount as the original season pass
glossy latch
Hold on which one is Shockstar again
rapid bough
except you don't get any of the pulls the original season pass gave lol
runic ether
Hold on which one is Shockstar again
the impact one
6% impact up on 2pc
and then 20% daze on attacks
rapid bough
the way nikke has cosmetic sales set up is just braindead but it probably earns them so much money they've got no reason to change it
runic ether
oh yea for sure
i can imagine that its basically free
free for them
not for the players
rapid bough
the game fosters enough goodwill in other areas with generous gacha rates and pity that they definitely get away with murder on the cosmetic monetization
unfortunately i don't have enough restraint to be a conscientous objector lol
i buy skins like the monkey that i am anyway
on that note, hang on let me quote myself from a week or so ago
glossy latch
Ok Anton is now at 66.6/98 cr/cd
rapid bough
if zzz ever offers fanservicey cosmetics (god forbid we get a swimsuit skin for jane or something) i am COOKED beyond belief
it never will because that's not hoyo's style
but man they'd rake in ungodly amounts of cash from it
glossy latch
Which is probably about as good as I can do it rn
old galleon
doesn't hoyo already rake in ungodly amounts of cash
rapid bough
yes which is why they won't do it
glossy latch
If they do it with any game, its ZZZ
runic ether
hoyo releasing 3 skins for genshin in a year and calling it a day despite creating some absolute banger designs for their characters is a mercy to all of us
rapid bough
haven't ZZZ profits dropped off massively, didn't seem to retain as many players as they were probably hoping
rapid bough
that said, i saw a good analysis that ZZZ about how it can easily operate at a lower margin than genshin/hsr because its real purpose is covering for down months in the other two
runic ether
zzz is going into a soft re-launch
in 1.4
so they are hoping to grab players again in 1.4
but its doing fine
runic ether
that said, i saw a good analysis that ZZZ about how it can easily operate at a l...
yea this is the big reason
rapid bough
i'm sure it's doing fine, and hoyo has the luxury of taking temporary losses if they think the long term benefits are there
glossy latch
1.4 is meant to be a soft relaunch?
runic ether
basically zzz understands its entering a way more saturated gacha market
and its a more niche game
runic ether
1.4 is meant to be a soft relaunch?
yea somewhat
since they are doing more qol they wanted to do + they are reworking how ults work
atm, we know characters will basically get their own decibels from off-field now
this actually makes nicole better lol
so if u havent yet
build nicole
rapid bough
tbh every character that wasn't a DPS/ult bot beforehand gets significantly better, especially on-field stunners
qingyi stonks to the moon
wispy goblet
me out here praying they rerun a crossover event
(it will not happen)
runic ether
yeah qingyi and lighter are feasting on the changes
rapid bough
i remember mistiming a switch once and accidentally ulting on qingyi when i meant to do it on zhu yuan and i thought to myself "huh, this is the first time i've ever even seen qingyi's ult animation"
glossy latch
Ok yeah this feels way better
runic ether
anby, lycaon, and koleda less so but qingyi and lighter both have solid mults on their ult
rapid bough
TBD on whether zhu yuan will be awkward, i know off-field chars still get decibels but at a reduced rate
runic ether
she wont
glossy latch
Tbh I already use Anbys ult a lot lmao
rapid bough
her ult timing might change slightly
runic ether
ppl assume the same for 11 and ellen being awkward
but the changes should basically mean its the same-ish for them
glossy latch
Antons ult doesnt feel super strong
runic ether
its a big part of his kit actually
not the biggest but its a big part
i'd focus on it
old galleon
rapid bough
thing about zhu yuan is even if she doesn't have ult up immediately for a stun window, doing her standard burst rotation with nicole will probably fill the gap to ult before the stun's up
old galleon
...palsifal dungeon my beloved?
runic ether
with the changes, you should be looking to anby ult -> stun -> rina chain -> anton chain anton ult
glossy latch
Is it?
rapid bough
STRAIGHT TO THE EARTH'S CORE
rapid bough
STRAIGHT TO THE EARTH'S CORE
easily one of the best ult voice lines, up there with jane's "here's a taste of the abyss"
rina's voicelines go hard too
runic ether
easily one of the best ult voice lines, up there with jane's "here's a taste of ...
alejandro has an excellent voice
yeah okay anton's ult multiplier is 4294.4 at level 16
you can leave it at 15
and only miss on a bit over 100 points on the mult
4129.2
in perspective
zhu yuan, an ult focused burster
at 12, she's at 3955.4
rapid bough
rina's voicelines go hard too
gah i forgot what she said had to look it up, "kindly... fall into despair"
runic ether
she only starts beating anton at raw ult multiplier when she gets to her c5
thats a whale investment
in comparison, billy, another character who is well known for having a baller ult, has at 16, 3777.2
runic ether
(billy upside is that he hits the entire field at almost a massive distance)
glossy latch
Billy gets a damage amp on his ult
runic ether
ye
100% dmg up on his next ult after 2 chain attacks from him
but yea no dont sleep on anton ul
*ult
it only gets better as the decibel changes come to us in 1.4
wispy goblet
can you change your main screen nikke
glossy latch
There we go, stable node maxed out
old galleon
yes
you get 5 options you can set in your lobby settings
and can rotate through them accordinglly
rapid bough
one thing i will say about the ZZZ ult changes
is that while i think they're good, they'll kinda kill the possibility of future ult design moving away from ults just being EX EX specials lol
which is sort of a bummer
runic ether
not necessarily
i think its actually more possible they can expand on characters
hoyo has really liked the non-ult ults in hsr
rapid bough
idk it just feels like these changes make ults super hard to balance so introducing new gimmicks is risky
runic ether
or ults that run on a completely unique system to the rest of the game
acheron and feixiao for instance
they dont have an ult meter like anyone else
and they dont generate any energy
they have their own stacks independent
and in genshin, they have used some ults as spammable as skills for some characters, to having massive ult requirements to truly be unique in that aspect
and there are characters that dont want to ult
and use an artifact (disc drive) that drains their ult to buff them elsewhere
runic ether
shimegawas
hu tao, ganyu, some childe builds, some sethos builds
yoimiya
neuvillette, if he could run shimegawa, would run it
same with mualani
arlecchino's speedrun teams run shime (in theory)
glossy latch
Huh
Also god I wish I didnt have both characters on this banner C6d or had more rolls in the bank
Yanagi sounds like shed be great for Anton but I want Lighter
runic ether
yanagi/anton is p good in theory iirc
but its not so much different than grace
and also
i think u would probs find that u could just use them in different modes and/or fights
rapid bough
i don't really see the synergy between yanagi and anton tbh, yes she'll hog the field time but feels like anton's burst windows would be few and far between due to lack of daze
runic ether
you'd want rina for them but then u would also want anby
its a genshin team (lol)
as in if u had 4 party slots, that'd go pretty hard
glossy latch
Though it will be odd pulling Lighter before I have anyone to pair him with lmao
runic ether
you may be spared on miyabi anyways bc apparently, miyabi was recently changed to have her core passive work off her faction or support
which makes miyabi + lighter a weird synergy
since she still would wanna see more anomaly effects from someone else like yanagi or burnice
(or jane ig)
but lighter/burnice wont trigger miyabi's core passive
lighter/lucy would now
but its gotta be seen if lucy's massive buff + lighter's buffs will be enough to carry that team
glossy latch
I mean that means I have to get exactly Soldier 11 to run someone with Lighter lmao
runic ether
or wait for the next ice attacker
rapid bough
oh
it's over
yeah it goes fast, tbh i'd recommend just turning on quick battle
wispy goblet
I can't seem to find it
rapid bough
PvP is mostly just a punching bag to get some free upgrade resources from rupee's shop
glossy latch
or wait for the next ice attacker
God knows when that will be
wispy goblet
oh
Looks like it's locked until chapter 11
glossy latch
Plus he'd compete with existing ice supports there
rapid bough
wow lame lol
wispy goblet
But I can't quick battle in campaign either
runic ether
God knows when that will be
ellen rerun
rapid bough
quick battle in campaign isn't a thing
wispy goblet
boo
runic ether
ellen/lighter/soukaku
of course, can also wait for another fire attacker
i believe our next (probable) character though is astra yao
she is supposed to be our 1st limited support
glossy latch
Eh, fuck it, Ill try rolling one more 10 pull on Yanagi
Im far away from pity anyway
runic ether
hubris
woe
actually it'd be really funny if u did get an early 5 star and it was yanagi
runic ether
ohh
glossy latch
Well I basicall got 10 pulls for the price of 7
runic ether
glossy latch
Oh wait no
I dont have a guarantee
... I didnt realise
I actually got the 5* W engine from the standard pull
rapid bough
wait i thought standard banner pity was separate from limited banner pity
runic ether
it is
rapid bough
so getting 5* wengine from standard shouldn't bork a guarantee on limited
runic ether
thats why ovven has to save
glossy latch
Ye
runic ether
no yea ovven thought he got a guarantee cus he thought he got a weapon from a limited banner
glossy latch
I just thought I got it from the limited banner
glossy latch
But in hindsight ... you dont get W engines from limited banners do you
runic ether
not unless u pull on the weapon banner
glossy latch
I mean I have enough to go to hard pity once and a bit over that, and I havent done any events yet
rapid bough
nagi's wengine is calling to me since i'm really feeling the lack of anomaly wengines
glossy latch
Do we know Lighters 4*?
rapid bough
but i have to resist
glossy latch
I assume its Piper and Lucy
runic ether
Do we know Lighters 4*?
not yet
wispy goblet
when do I cash in my molds
rapid bough
when do I cash in my molds
whenever you can, there's really no sense in waiting early on
glossy latch
Hm
Now I wonder if its worth trying to pull on Yanagi for the effective greater rebate and hope to lose an early 50/50 ...
runic ether
now u are gambling how i gamble
lol
i have i think every single hsr 4 star at c6 or near c6
why?
i keep drip feeding pulls into the banners
even if i dont want the character
hoping to lose the 50/50
rapid bough
that seems like unhinged behavior lol
runic ether
real talk, its something i've only done when i dont mind losing (winning) that 50/50
glossy latch
Whats the hard pity in ZZZ again, is it 80 or 90?
runic ether
90
glossy latch
Ok rolled to the exact halfway point, no lost 50/50
At this point I dont think trying to edge further would be statistically smart
runic ether
probs not
rapid bough
me out here praying they rerun a crossover event
(it will not happen)
which collab event do you want them to rerun btw (knowing none will ever happen)
wispy goblet
I think the ones I care most about are Nier and Evangelion
rapid bough
all of them are vanishingly unlikely to ever get reruns but evangelion is especially so, to the point that i'm certain it never will (rather than just being 99% sure)
they've come out and said that the eva collab didn't do as well as they hoped
wispy goblet
Should have gotten into the game when I knew it was going on
rapid bough
so it's dead
nier collab though
if eva collab has a 0% chance to rerun, and the other two have a 0.1% chance, i give nier like a 0.5% chance
it was well received and has a lot of overlap with nikke in terms of both plot and plot
and yoko taro is unfathomably based
so a day may come when it returns, it's at least the most likely of the 4
but still wouldn't count on it
wispy goblet
What buildings should I build first at the outpost
rapid bough
doesn't matter, you'll build everything eventually and they don't give any real benefits
just build what you can, it's free anyway
old galleon
any of the ones that let you push more in tactics academy before any of the ones that don't, if you have those options
but it doesn't matter much
rapid bough
if you're keeping up with academy leveling you should always have enough space to build all the buildings you've unlocked, but yeah if you're strapped for space then prioritize whatever the academy classes require
wispy goblet
value mold
immensely suspicious timing game
chat should I cash this in now
and who should I pick
rapid bough
value mold
blessed, one of the best units in the game btw
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chat should I cash this in now
and who should I pick
so you get 3 of these total from the event (2 from missions, 1 from logins iirc). if you can get all 3, you should use all of them on rapunzel so you can MLB her
i think i mentioned this before but eventually you need 5 max limit broken (MLB) nikkes to pass a future level wall at 160
these selectors let you guarantee 1/5 off rip if you use them all on rapunzel
so that's what i'd recommend
wispy goblet
Gotcha
glossy latch
... hold on Yanagi has a parry?
wispy goblet
Hmm
Maybe it's time to switch Anis out
runic ether
... hold on Yanagi has a parry?
yep
rapid bough
... hold on Yanagi has a parry?
pretty goddamn useful one too with how often you need to activate her special
runic ether
she gets parry frames based on her attack windows
so during her skill attack, she has frames during them that parry
you can time them to get some sick momentum and prevent damage
glossy latch
Oh so its kind of a WuWa-style parry?
runic ether
iirc its on her 3rd, 4th, and 5th attack
yanagi absolutely wrecks some enemies as a result
rapid bough
yeah if you activate her special at the 3/4/5 part of her basic attack it gets "parry" frames and you restart your next basic combo from the 3rd attack
glossy latch
... hmmm
rapid bough
i'm not sure if it's better than dodge countering tho, which does the same thing
glossy latch
I guess I could get Lighter on a rerun ...
runic ether
its like caesar's parry but the timing is different and shorter too
glossy latch
Itll take a while to get Soldier 11 anyway
runic ether
yanagi has a tight window but way better opportunity cost to it
rapid bough
but her dodge counter also dashes through the enemy which can be really fucking annoying
glossy latch
We havent had any reruns yet right?
glossy latch
God, I wonder how long the reruns will take
rapid bough
ellen is expected in 1.4, no?
harumasa free, ellen first half and miyabi second half
glossy latch
Well I have Yanagi now
glossy latch
With events and stuff I can probably 50/50 Lighter
Wait is her weapon a modular Katana/Naginata?
rapid bough
yeah it extends out of the sheathe to be a naginata or back in to be a katana
it's whack
glossy latch
It looks to me like she just uses the sheathe as the staff, no?
runic ether
yea lmfao
glossy latch
Oh no wait
runic ether
its so fucking funny that her clock works
glossy latch
She actually extends the staff ... somehow
rapid bough
it's like one of those staffs that extends out in sections
glossy latch
Minus the part where it doesnt have the sections but yes
Entirely unrealistic but eh
rapid bough
i mean everything about how she fights is unrealistic
she is NOT doing that shit in heels
runic ether
speak for yourself
rapid bough
and her combo/EX finisher that slams to the ground is a bit of nonsense since she gains momentum out of nowhere
runic ether
once u unlock the running in heels ability, you can do anything
rapid bough
though the agent story shows her staff clock or whatever gives her weird "time speed up" powers
runic ether
might be related to her oni blood
i wonder if they will elaborate that harder
and/or
glossy latch
Fighting in heels is possible, its just ... youre gimping yourself
runic ether
we'll see if soukaku has other style of time-related abilities as we get to see her more
and spoilers on the special episode for section 6 and yanagi
||soukaku's hunger may be way deeper than "she hongy" and likely is something related to absorbing some sort of memories of the current time||
glossy latch
I think flat heels are significantly more doable, but she has pointy heels doesnt she?
runic ether
very possible that zzz oni have some crazy magical ability
rapid bough
yeah she's out there in stilettos lol
runic ether
I think flat heels are significantly more doable, but she has pointy heels doesn...
yea they are outright just stilettos lol
not even like arlecchino in genshin where the tip is spiked and we see in her trailer using them to kill a man
also arle flies
rapid bough
||soukaku's hunger may be way deeper than "she hongy" and likely is something re...
what part of the episode implies this? i must've missed it
runic ether
what part of the episode implies this? i must've missed it
when ||you are talking to the section 6 members in the virtual world||
glossy latch
Makes sense that Jane is more practical
rapid bough
jane has like platform combat boots lol
runic ether
||if you talk to soukaku, she'll mention how she stopped feeling hungry and that it terrifies her because then she feels like she'll forget important things and/or wont be able to retain specific memories||
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burnice
runic ether
burnice
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caesar too iirc
damn that must've been dialogue i missed or skimmed over
wtf discord sent that late
runic ether
i think discord may be shitting itself
rapid bough
yeah it be dropping messages rn
runic ether
11 doesnt
rapid bough
nor grace
runic ether
also i was trying to say that caesar and lucy boots are meant for motorcycles
rapid bough
idk if rina does but she floats anyway
glossy latch
... and Rina
Though to be fair Rina can fly
Yeah Soldier 11, Anby and Grace have practical boots
Koleda too
runic ether
riding boots have an elevated heel for women usually
idr lucy and caesar's shoes
if they are outright heels or not
rapid bough
i'm almost certain caesar's are just straight up high heels
glossy latch
So basically 70/30 split on heels vs no heels
runic ether
same with rina and ellen
i think neko is deceptive though bc her feet are cat paws iirc?
glossy latch
Well she is wearing heels, but idk if her feet are cat-like
runic ether
so she is
miyabi also has practical combat boots iirc? might have an elevated platform on the heel but i gotta see
rapid bough
i looked it up, caesar has a cross between riding boots and heels i think
glossy latch
Nope, she has human feet
rapid bough
heel seems much taller than ordinary riding boots would be
not that i know shit about women's riding boots
glossy latch
So another high heel character
runic ether
tho miyabi is short af anyways
rapid bough
discord sucking shit rn
runic ether
i give miyabi a pass girl needs the help
she's 170 cm with her ears included
finally, hoyo makes an adult character shorter than ovven
glossy latch
Oy
:[
Still thats a lot of high heels
And unlike Genshin its not like theyre just using the same rig
runic ether
hoyo loves their heels
rapid bough
can't blame em
runic ether
hsr in theory can use different rigs and they still go for heels on most women
rapid bough
heels are step 1 on the thigh and backside agenda hoyo follows
rapid bough
we have so much in common
runic ether
cus u will be staring at that during gameplay a lot
rapid bough
all i ask for is the jiggle physics on jane, burnice, nagi to be backported to zhu yuan
runic ether
reminds me how they specifically gave wrio a bigger ass