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rapid bough
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but she calls you rabbity smh

old galleon
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^

rapid bough
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as the (current) top comment points out, i'm not sure i want to trust this translation immediately

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as described this would totally brick low field time characters like zhu yuan

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the other extreme (essentially making decibel gain shared, but usage specific to each character) allowing all 3 characters to ult is similarly wild though and a major balance change

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but potential triple ults feels less impactful than ruining low field time attack characters like zhu yuan

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mostly because ults in general feel kinda weak? they're more like EX EX specials lol

rapid bough
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if so, i'm hype to finally use ults that aren't zhu's, jane's, and burnice's lol

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(and yanagi's when she's out)

runic ether
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should be in a few days

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but yeah it'll be interesting to see how they balance this

slow raft
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||Im assuming this is about that hospital flashback? That he knows the protagonsit was sick kinda makes it seem like the girl in the flashback has some kind of connection to the raptures.
Or maybe the special effect the commander has on nikkes is because of something that happened there. Im general we dont know much about the commanders past, which i assume is mostly done to make it easier to self insert. But im looking forward to see how they handle it||

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I do like chatterbox, hes fun

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||i mean, its gotta be, right?||

slow raft
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She looks neat but idk about her kit

old galleon
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nikke famitsu interview with relatively normal questions

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Q35: Can you tell me Chatterbox's three sizes?
A: That’s confidential information that only I know, and I won’t tell anyone.
before a chatterbox jumpscare

old galleon
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got centi to pop out of a gold mold

rapid bough
rapid bough
rapid bough
slow raft
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That aside, i have now arrived at the 100 standard banner pulls crossroad

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Ideally i want to replace anis first, is naga a suitable candidate for that or nah?

rapid bough
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#1020179415772168283 message back here

slow raft
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Ok and since i dont care for liter ill get naga first, got it

mortal iron
long tree
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Capsule corp Goku is here to remind you your goat ain't shit

mortal iron
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The strongest goku is a capsule Corp industry plant

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And he got his power from a plant

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It's all connected

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ALL GLORY TO CAPSULE CORP

slow raft
rapid bough
long tree
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Me who has to use liter because she's the best level 1 ult I have

rapid bough
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well i mean she is quite literally the best general use burst 1 in the entire game

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so by definition she'll almost always be the best one you have

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there are others who are arguably better in a specific niche, like rouge with cinderella or d:kw in pierce teams

rapid bough
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but liter fits into any team and is really good no matter where she is

runic ether
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ah

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they just decided to be silly

rapid bough
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miyabi 1.4 confirmed yeehaw

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also one of the leaked possible 1.5 chars already has me saving to pull

slow raft
runic ether
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that singer? yeah shes pretty

slow raft
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Btw, i assume charge damage up is good for cinderella, but what is heat ip and whomst would use it

rapid bough
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iirc that's hit rate, i.e. reduce gun spread

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good for shotguns and SMGs

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though "good" is relative to your only two options right now lol

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in the long run that assault cube kinda sucks

slow raft
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Got it, i will not be leveling it

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And just stick it on a unit for now

rapid bough
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you'll get free mats for it from time to time that will level it passively, i think mine is level 4 just from that

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but yeah don't go out of your way to level it

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soon you'll get resilience cube which is +reload speed

slow raft
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🫡

rapid bough
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that is the best cube for nearly all purposes

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after that is bastion cube which restores some of your mag every 10 bullets fired

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that is the second best cube for nearly all purposes

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basically resilience/bastion are gonna be your primary cube investments for a while

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(once you get them)

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i think bastion ends up as BIS for cindy

slow raft
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Mayhaps checking out rapunzels bond episodes is something i shoulda saved for later ||i had already suspected that nikkes arent fully artificial but i imagine thats a plot beat that they want to use in the main story at some point. Also no clue what NIMPH is so ig that wandt a spoiler atleast||

rapid bough
slow raft
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The bodysuit is just sooo atrocious, im sorry

rapid bough
slow raft
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Im sure shes a good kid and all

rapid bough
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she's not a kid actually

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she's a granny lol

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one of the oldest nikkes still around in the ark

slow raft
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Well, she has a good anti aging routine then

rapid bough
slow raft
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I just assumed she acts like a kid based on your choice of words

rapid bough
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||NIMPH is something you're fairly close to learning about in the main story iirc||

rapid bough
long tree
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Hate those types of characters

slow raft
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Ive done the ones that are time limited so far and thats it

rapid bough
long tree
rapid bough
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she's depicted as extremely competent and smart and even a bit micromanage-y

long tree
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Like it'd be different if she were just short

rapid bough
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there are child-coded characters in the game that avoid this, N102/anne is a good example

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there are also child-coded characters in the game that absolutely do not

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like alice

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i think liter is in the former crowd though

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at any rate she doesn't act at all like a kid

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but if you don't vibe with her design i get it

long tree
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In other news I got my first fully uncapped nikke... It's diesel so I'm never gonna use her but at least I can use her for the setting level thing

rapid bough
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yep doesn't matter who your MLB'd nikkes are, just need to get 5 of em

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i think 3 of my first 5 were ones i never use

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kilo (from 1.5 anni, same as new rapunzel in this anni), ludmilla, and poli

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also actually getting diesel to MLB is better than most

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she's one of 5 nikkes currently that has a favorite item/treasure, and you need her to at least 2 stars to even be eligible to unlock it

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since you have to get to bond level 30 with her

long tree
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Saving up the standard banner pity for drake spare body

slow raft
rapid bough
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ludmilla is mommy so is k

rapid bough
slow raft
long tree
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I'm not huge on her fit

rapid bough
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yeah base ludmilla's design is weird

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winter ludmilla however is peak

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and she's also peak as a character

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SSS-tier waifu don't @ me

slow raft
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Well shes better than alice but like

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Thats not really difficult

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Aside from that ill have to see her in more context to judge

rapid bough
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gotta do her advice/bond stories and play through last year's winter event to really understand

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real ones know

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also here's her winter design, i repeat: mommy

slow raft
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Also this is the 3rd character named ludmilla ive come across in as many weeks so its getting difficult to keep them all organized in my head

long tree
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Squad I'm rocking rn

rapid bough
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damn that's a murderer's row of some of the best units in the game lol

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having three burst-needy B3s is kinda awkward though

long tree
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Yeah that's the issue

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Like red hood can service as a B1 but I really don't like doing it

rapid bough
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who else is on your roster

long tree
rapid bough
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btw if forced to use all 3, i'd use burst with SBS and red hood over cindy

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cindy at least has strong passive damage with her autos

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SBS/red hood do like 90% of their damage during burst tho

long tree
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Ah okay

rapid bough
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privaty would slot in reasonably well here

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i'd keep red hood for burst charging purposes

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bit of a wash between cindy/SBS, but probably prefer SBS since she does so much free splash damage

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privaty gives strong party buffs without burst so she's nice as a B3 you don't actually need to burst with

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for boss fights, cindy/SBS will do absolutely stupid amounts of damage

idle grove
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forgot about this face lmao

summer hornet
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She's so good

rapid bough
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anis my beloved

summer hornet
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Tempted to swap Mari back to Anis on my Nikke banner lol

rapid bough
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crown also has amazing facial expressions

summer hornet
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Omg

rapid bough
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love my ditzy ojou-sama

slow raft
rapid bough
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based

rapid bough
# long tree

btw are you not using the synchro device at all? i don't see anyone with the yellow level indicating they're synced peepoDetective

slow raft
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Jot is a fusion dimension apologist 😔

long tree
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Fuck no I grew up on 5ds

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Nah I just use the same squad for everything

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It works

rapid bough
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i bet it does since it's just a bunch of the best units in the game lol

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but you should prolly level diesel manually now that she's MLB'd and locked in to be one of your first 5 past 160

long tree
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Ye I will do

rapid bough
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doesn't matter too much right now anyway

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i just had to ask since i've seen people not even know the synchro device was a thing and level more than 5 nikkes

slow raft
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Ok so from what ive read in order to get an ssr unit past level 160 you need to pull 4 copies of them, but because of the sybchro device you can just push units pqst that threshhold even if they arent mlb'd
So is there any benefit for rolling for additional copies of a limited unit?

long tree
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There's some things limit breaking does beyond the level cap iirc

rapid bough
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once you have 5 MLB'd SSR units, there are only three benefits to limit breaking a unit:

  1. each limit break is a 2% stat increase
  2. at MLB, you get the nikke's burst animation as a lobby screen
  3. at max core (up to 7 dupes beyond MLB), you get a shiny portrait frame for your profile
slow raft
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Ok, im not exactly fiending for a 6% stat increase so ill guess ill save for now

rapid bough
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in other words, dupes beyond those first 5 MLBs are very low value in nikke

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they're primarily cosmetic unless you're a super whale who wants every advantage in PvP

slow raft
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Makes sense

rapid bough
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i personally love that about nikke, i hate when dupes are super important to make characters usable

slow raft
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True

rapid bough
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just makes the gambling aspect of the game (which is already the worst part of every gacha) even worse

slow raft
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Limbus for example has basically no reward for dupes

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And arknights dupes are also very low prio

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With the exception of like
Bagpipe

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Fgo sadly has an incentive to go beyhond 5 copies

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But regular people do fine with 1 or 2

rapid bough
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of the five gacha i've played, all of them had mercifully low emphasis on dupes

long tree
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My enemies in fgo when altjuna np2 fires the unrivalled power of the sun at them

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5 is rookie numbers khaios gotta pump those numbers up

summer hornet
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NP2 Arcueid beating half the game with one skill

slow raft
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Speaking of fgo

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Ive got to do some friend point pulls soon ish

summer hornet
long tree
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That wasn't all of them

summer hornet
long tree
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The amount of gachas I've played and immediately discarded is high

slow raft
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@summer hornet how goes the garcher project™️

rapid bough
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nikke - see above
snowbreak - basically pointless, they were just a shortcut to progression you could get for free anyway
brown dust 2 - easily had the most important dupes since they represented significant upgrades to character skills. but the pull rates and amount of pull currency that game gives you for free offset the annoyance
azur lane - limit breaks are extremely important to the extent that non-MLB'd chars are effectively useless. but you don't need dupes to LB chars, it can be done through other freely and consistently acquired means so it's whatever
zzz - dupes are notable power increases but not even remotely necessary

slow raft
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Its not a grift, its his life

rapid bough
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i know what i like/want

long tree
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Based

rapid bough
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but i dropped snowbreak/BD2

long tree
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I do need to make a complete list of gachas I've played

rapid bough
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snowbreak is going through censorship hell right now so i'm glad i avoided that one

long tree
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Probably will take me like an hour

rapid bough
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BD2 was just... eh

summer hornet
rapid bough
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not a bad game, just lacked central connecting tissue

summer hornet
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(more like NP15 by the end, lol, but still)

long tree
summer hornet
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The worst part is that I'm gonna have to roll MORE Garchers for the append skill update in a year and a half

rapid bough
slow raft
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Oh youre at 120, nice

rapid bough
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but then it all got pulled because CN censors pulled the plug

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snowbreak made the dire mistake of going in a super fanservicey direction but not having a separate client for CN

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so now global players are getting hit with CN's censorship nuke

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very unfortunate

long tree
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Skill issue tbh

rapid bough
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respect to snowbreak for going all-in on the harem simulator though

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MC's really out here marrying all his operatives in canon

glossy latch
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Oh huh

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I actually got the Rupert Curio combination

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Neat

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Completely overkill but nice

glossy latch
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God why is it so impossible to get a Sphere for Xueyi

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I only got like 2 with ATK% main stat and neither had any crit stats

runic ether
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my spheres are cope too

runic ether
slow raft
honest pawn
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@slow raft not sure if you knew already but the collab they announced for Limbus was just an interview with Heathcliff's VA and a PhaseConnect vtuber

rapid bough
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LMAO they called that a "collab"? hypebeasts in action

old galleon
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they call all sorts of things collabs, doesn't have to be in-game stuff specifically

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like some games have collabs with cafes and whatnot

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azur lane has all kinds of this thing

rapid bough
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yeah ik, but even those usually involve merch and stuff

old galleon
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there was even the one where they sponsored a motorcyclist and got that one essex skin

rapid bough
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like AL's recent tea collab

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an interview with a VA and a vtuber is neat i guess but it's straining what the word "collab" typically describes imo, even with the non in-game type collabs in mind

slow raft
old galleon
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based lappy

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i just love cheesing base defense fliers lol

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idk why that's a design decision they made, but i'll take it

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despite the name of the game referencing the goddess nike, goddess of victory: nikke is actually christian allegory

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in this essay...

slow raft
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Gasp
No way!

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Im glad they didnt drag it out atleast

slow raft
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Anyways, thats enough molds for another ssr PauseChamp

old galleon
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i'll send you some energy, pull someone good

rapid bough
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i honestly forgot how much damn mold material the game throws at you early on

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y'all be opening molds every day

slow raft
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...

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Im not posting a screenshot but i got nero

old galleon
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UMU

rapid bough
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uwu wuts dis

slow raft
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Jesus girl, put on some damn clothes

rapid bough
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you picked the wrong game to say that to anyone

slow raft
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She seems tl be a p straightforward tank which is kinda funny

slow raft
rapid bough
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i honestly have no idea what she does but i assume she's mid at best

slow raft
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She taunts and heals and does some damage

rapid bough
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however, her event (nya nya paradise) made me cry, that shit hits hard

rapid bough
slow raft
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It would be funny if the bullet snow white gives you was a literal silver bullet but i imagine not

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Andersen based as usual, surely now the child will stop messing with me clueless

mortal iron
runic ether
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no news on english release yet

summer hornet
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Genshin TCG, niceeee

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reckon it'll be a while before Kazuha makes it in there, though

summer hornet
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enlightenment

dull bridge
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wont u need like a lot of specific dice tho

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:thjink

old galleon
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how much is "a lot"

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any halfway decent game shop should have a set of the standard d&d dice

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critical hit

rapid bough
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G O O D B O Y E

mental acorn
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honestly i wasn't planning on doing the full m9 at first but he's just the goat, it'd be wrong not to

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raising ops is a crazy drain on the resources though like damn i went through all my exp and almost 4m lmd and i still have to e2 degen + ray then try and deal with modules

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and we have another kernel locating tomorrow so i'll have to add skadi to that Hahaa

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and i'll be sparking somebody in just over a week Hahaa

old galleon
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a wild chuuni appeared

mental acorn
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he's so great

old galleon
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oh is logos also one?

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i was referrign to something different

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but he looks great, yeah

rapid bough
mental acorn
# old galleon oh is logos also one?

more like crazy gap moe really but i'd say he fits
he's quite dramatic, probably one of the most powerful casters in the universe and has a bunch of really fucking crazy-ass feats from ch14 good lord this guy is nuts
he's also the current rhodes island stool racing champion

old galleon
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i vaguely remember hearing of some of logos' exploits in story but obv haven't caught up

old galleon
rapid bough
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she's not that good for gameplay except i think an elysion tower option

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but yes she is the resident chuuni of nikke

old galleon
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i didn't pull her, she showed up in story

rapid bough
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oh

old galleon
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just finished up chapter 12

rapid bough
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ah i know what part of the story you're in lol

old galleon
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also boss was kinda annoying so i just took one of the supports

honest pawn
old galleon
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do you play arknights?

honest pawn
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a little bit yeah

old galleon
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aight

rapid bough
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▶ Play video
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zzz really dropping casual lore bombs

runic ether
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this was posted earlier by accident

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unlisted

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but i didnt get to watch it

rapid bough
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lol

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first i'm seeing it

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yanagi ||walking around being part oni is lore i was not expecting, and really so is just the entire lore drop about the oni and nagi's relationship with soukaku. this shit came out of left field lol ||

runic ether
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we were really missing oni lore

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we only knew very little bits

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so its interesting this is how we get it

rapid bough
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yeah it having direct tie-ins to yanagi was not on my bingo card lol

runic ether
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||its also gives a lot of importance to yanagi||

rapid bough
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||she's basically the oni ambassador, and i'm somewhat unclear on whether people other than soukaku know about it? lol||

runic ether
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||former obol squad member so unlikely anyone else knows about it super deeply besides the other sector 6 members||

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||also this def showcases a big deal that its very likely new eridu's peace is earned by war with other groups human or non-human that dont live in the new eridu vicinity||

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||im guessing, that the group that actually started the hollow zero disaster, was a cult that worshipped the hollows and was likely one of the main instigators of these conflicts since war can give them leeway to enter the hollows and cause the explosions like the recent laptop event revealed to us or at least, assumed thats how it kicked off||

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||and im betting that said group definitely has a ways to control or has some level of control over hollows||

old galleon
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decided to expedite the mlb cindy process and succeeded, although i got both an isabel spook and a crow spook in so doing

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i still have over 40k gems so i'm not at all concerned about having enough to get grave if freebies don't pan out (and i will actually be waiting for the last day on that for her)

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anyway that's the story of how i broke 1/5 of the wall within 10 days of starting the game

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(the rest of the wall is gonna suck)

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oh also i was able to roll another mold and it gave me a centi dupe lmao

long tree
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Aww fuck I’m tempted to pull for rappa

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She’s so lame it’s amazing

slow raft
long tree
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DEAR LORD

rapid bough
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pulled sao martinho LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOO

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both banners cleared with a day left to spare

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my poor cube stock, only 183 left

rapid bough
dull bridge
long tree
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He's so pretty fr fr

summer hornet
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He's such a showboater

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I'm not much further than you are, Jot, but what little I've seen has already swayed me over to Reca's drama-film double major delusional self

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||also this is definitely some Clockwork type shenanigans, I say not having any knowledge of 2.6 story, and I'm looking forward to it||

runic ether
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despite miyabi's drip being tonight (probably), she gets shorter every time she doesnt gey dripped

long tree
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3 ft -12

old galleon
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oh also if anyone times their nikke activity to anything in particular, apparently maintenance is tomorrow in about 21 and a half hours from now

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starting 5 hours before daily reset and ending exactly at the reset

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part of that maintenance appears to be either a buff or nerf for cindy, depending on how you've built her gear

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the numbers on the burst are increased, but in a way that nerfs her if you focused her gear on charge damage

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(since the charge damage interaction is what was fucked to start with)

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hopefully they also fix the perceived issues people are having with her hit rate

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blessed?

long tree
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Them after removing my 500 masks

copper steppe
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we are legion for we are many

glossy latch
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Oh wait, Genshin just straight up has no VO for this patch huh

mortal iron
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Coz there's a VA strike or smth

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I play JPN so I didn't know until I got told

patent swift
runic ether
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but overall strike is in full force and the companies... decide to not to budge

slow raft
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Exia just calledShifty persephone like 3 times, i imagine that was the original name for her/a prelimiary translation?

slow raft
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I do really like the boom girl

long tree
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NyanGun hand over elegg

slow raft
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Daga kotowaru

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Good face

old galleon
slow raft
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2nd copy even

old galleon
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potential mlb target then

slow raft
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Yuni, clay, rapunzel and ludmilla are the oned im currently sitting at 2 copies of

old galleon
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for me it's cindy, isabel, and centi

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after i get naga from standard pity it'll be all alice dupes from there, i think, so alice is a prospective fourth

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depending on how long that whole process takes

rapid bough
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but idk why the subtitles say shifty when the VA says persephone

rapid bough
rapid bough
summer hornet
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The upgrades they did to the game system were genuinely really cool though

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I'll give them that

rapid bough
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what game/upgrades

astral drift
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bobaganda

summer hornet
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I don't even remember typing that message

rapid bough
wispy goblet
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the power of gambling possessed him

mental acorn
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now THIS is a fucking IS run

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blood diamond doesn't stand a chance

summer hornet
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okay so what are Thespian Tricks? Just extra poses for the camera mode?

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(in Genshin, to be clear)

runic ether
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yes

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they are there to flex u cleared theater basically

summer hornet
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ahhhh, okay

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I just grabbed the Kazuha one without thinking, lol, but that's cool

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also I definitely need to do IT more often

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those are some really nice primogem rewards for clearing

versed pawn
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won both 50/50s again

runic ether
versed pawn
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My brother is mad because I won every 50/50

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Well not really I lost my first 50/50 on Ellen banner than win Jane burnice and now yanagi

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And every weapon

idle grove
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GFL2 Global Steam Released Confirmed.

The below countries and languages are supported.

The publisher for this is Haoplay, or XD, which did Mica's Reverse Collapse publishing.

Keep in mind that there SHOULD be separate PC installation clients for both publishers

old galleon
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based

slow raft
old galleon
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penguin logistics is still great

old galleon
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aight i'm pretty well set on nikke until maintenance

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hopefully cindy's bug fixes pan out

rapid bough
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I THOUGHT I WAS IMMUNE

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i've managed to avoid being spooked by the cat all this time

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she lulled me into a false sense of security

slow raft
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Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

old galleon
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there is no immunity from spooks in gacha

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smh you're experienced enough to know this by now

copper steppe
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all of us suffer the same fate

mental acorn
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11 6s from 293 pulls is kinda crazy no

old galleon
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what are 6* rates in arknights again?

mental acorn
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starts at 2%

copper steppe
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rrat

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also talking about rolls

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morgan evaded me once again

mental acorn
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after like 100? it starts going up

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but 11 in 293 is like one every 26

copper steppe
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UmaruCry im going mcfuckinginsane

old galleon
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ignoring the ramping rate after 100

slow raft
mental acorn
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oh crazy

old galleon
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or after 50 i guess

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your collective odds of exactly 11 6* in 293 pulls are about 2%

slow raft
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By 2% each pull if memory serves

old galleon
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of at least 11, 3.5%

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i'm not gonna try to calculate that including the increased odds

slow raft
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So that at 100 pulls you have a 100% chance to pull a 6 star

old galleon
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but yeah you had a pretty good set of rolls

mental acorn
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and 10/11 are good that's wild

slow raft
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140

mental acorn
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surely this means i'll also see a limited within the next week of free pulls copium

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but at the same time i now have set plans for the next months while i work to raise degen ray lin whoever i spark and whoever i grab from kernel locating

runic ether
slow raft
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Btw, for nikke

  1. What do i use arena points for? Just buying the skill mats or id saving up worth it?
  2. What do i look out for when choosing a union?
slow raft
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On more logos and ill kill that twink myself

rapid bough
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What do i use arena points for? Just buying the skill mats or id saving up worth it?
skill books and the manufacturer gear selector

What do i look out for when choosing a union?
reasonably full, activity among members, and an ability to complete all or most of a union raid (typically indicated by a fair amount of high level accounts)

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casual-friendly with a note saying they kick people who don't log on for 1month or something is usually a good bet, that's how i found my guild

runic ether
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they have decided to flex

rigid pilot
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Woo been a while since I've been here

rapid bough
#

drowning your sorrows in gacha huh

rigid pilot
#

Still only play FGO

#

It should be 198 maxed servants but I cannot raise Mélusine above 120

rigid pilot
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I actually am for the most part

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I only spend on FGO during the GSSR banners

rapid bough
#

i'm trying to save cubes in AL and it's not letting me because it keeps giving me these researches which i gotta do

summer hornet
slow raft
slow raft
astral drift
#

reasonable gacha players 🤝

runic ether
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reason is for those who dont gamble

astral drift
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i gamble with house money

dull bridge
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please roll well

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😭

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fuck me dide

summer hornet
#

The classic tale

dull bridge
#

4/4 both crit artifacts rolled shit today

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😭

glossy latch
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... fuck both of the 4* on Yanagis banner are already C6 for me

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Doesnt even make sense to do 1 10-roll for fun

runic ether
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thats fine she's kind of niche

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she's good yes but really not super necessary for most accounts even with jane

glossy latch
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Id mostly want her for Anton

runic ether
#

okay yeah she'd be the anton-grace link

rapid bough
#

ugh got to floor 21 of the tower and see ice/ether vulnerability

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i think i'd rather put a bullet in my head than do content that can one-shot you with qingyi (for zhu yuan)

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her dodge seemingly having fewer iframes than everyone else is maybe the worst thing in the game

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these tower fights are no joke and qingyi seems to me like the most unforgiving character in the game to use

runic ether
runic ether
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the problem was a lack of understanding on her i-frame start ups

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but yea qingyi is frail because her damage is actually pretty real

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price to pay 😔

rapid bough
#

i get hit as qingyi easily way more than any other character

runic ether
#

yea

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combo of "she's the on-fielder" and "her i-frames can be confusing"

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upside is she does deal big boy damage

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obvs not gonna beat out any of the dps characters

#

but her damage is real

rapid bough
#

she's always seemed to hit like a wet noodle to me but then again i don't have her disk drives remotely optimized

runic ether
#

start building her up a bit and she starts doing quite a lot

glossy latch
runic ether
#

yea lol

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i like running grace anton rina its a fun team

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yanagi will function basically the same as grace if not a bit better lightning

glossy latch
#

But I have to stay strong for Lighter

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... who does not have a teammate currently lmao

runic ether
#

you pulling miyabi?

glossy latch
#

Probably not?

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I mean it depends actually

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I'd have to see her kit

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But if she is immediately after Lighter thats gonna be tough to do

runic ether
#

she isnt

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she'll be 2nd half of 1.4

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(probably)

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she didnt get drip marketing

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but she is in the 1.4 beta?

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so we'll see

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ppl theorize that bc she's not drip marketed, she'll be saved for the game awards at end of year and/or given away for free

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i think its a bit farfetched to go that far rn

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but point is she'll be at least 1 banner removed from lighter

glossy latch
#

Neat

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Well maybe Ill give it a shot then

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The alternative is trying to get Soldier 11 by then

runic ether
#

lighter/11/lucy is going to be a fun team

glossy latch
#

Oh wow Cynos puns are really bad

slow raft
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ig hes your new favourite then

long tree
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She’s so lame bro

old galleon
#

oh apparently they had ended nikke maintenance around an hour early

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doesn't matter to me tho, i had already done dailies and shit first and grave wasn't up until now anyway

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speaking of grave...

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the temptation is to do an early ten roll or two and see how that pans out but otherwise i'm gonna save until the end and bank on dailies

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i'm almost certainly not gonna get her to show up that quickly

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but we'll see

summer hornet
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I spent the past few days doing primarily Genshin/HSR/FGO over Nikke

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gotta catch up on Cinderella's tragedy

long tree
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It's just that easy

old galleon
#

based

summer hornet
#

gracious

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lmfao

old galleon
long tree
old galleon
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4 pilgrims and one construction granny

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is red hood burst 1 or 3 in that setup?

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not quite sure how her gimmick works

long tree
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She’s whatever you want her to be

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She can be all 1 through 3 if you really want

old galleon
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i know she can be whatever but i also know people tend not to rate her as b2 highly compared to 1 or 3

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also i did the same as i did for cindy, limited myself to four 10 rolls, got her on the fourth

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i also got both a tove dupe and a liter dupe in the process

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tldr i have 120 gold mileage and over 35k crystals still

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so i'm in fine shape for winter/new year

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liter/grave/cindy/scarlet/centi

is what i think my general squad looks like

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centi out for marciana if i need healing more than shields

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though idk how that'd affect my burst gen

honest pawn
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fuck I didn't get dan heng

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I hope I can still get Sunday

old galleon
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@rapid bough should i start pushing for tove in wishlist? i got a dupe of her on the grave banner so she's a potential mlb candidate (even though i don't think i have all the pieces for a shotgun comp)

slow raft
#

Nikke event 2-5 story

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huh

old galleon
#

AHAAHAHAHAHAHA

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||it wasn't a red herring after all||

slow raft
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||What wasnt?||

old galleon
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||red shoes being suspicious||

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||there were clues on the event map and in the minigame pointing to red shoes being a traitor||

slow raft
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||also in the story 2 art ig||

old galleon
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haven't seen that yet but maybe

long tree
slow raft
old galleon
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mfw i want to read event story but am saddled with all these dailies and shit to knock out first

rapid bough
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||i do think this reveal was done in the right way though. i know some people thought it was a red herring because it was so obvious, but honestly the fact that it's red shoes is better because it makes me curious why the fuck she did all this||

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also what i said back here is just a straight up certainty now re: the minigame

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like ||the idols boss fight is just cinderella fighting the goddess squad (and losing), but that means all the other raptures/bosses you kill are really meant to be nikkes/humans too||

long tree
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Nikke event 2-6 spoilers
||...err why didn't siren just command Cinderella to tell the truth?||

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||they literally have a walking lie detector in the damn room||

slow raft
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Pretends to be shocked

summer hornet
#

She's such a birch tree shirtbag

rapid bough
#

bought 15 standard vouchers from event shop + got 15 from buying the isabel skin (because it's peak) so did 30 pulls and my wishlist put in work

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got my first copies of ein, noise, and quency escape artist

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all of whom are goin in the synchro device immediately

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i now have all 39 of my synchro slots full peepoS

old galleon
#

i'm eventually gonna enter synchro hell aren't i

rapid bough
#

well you'll get 35 free

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i have 39 because of free synchro slot vouchers they've handed out this anni and during 1.5

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i've yet to buy an extra slot with gems and i haven't had a problem

old galleon
#

hm

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aight

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at the very least i don't have to dedicate one to cindy, since she's naturally mlb

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but still

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gonna have quite a few who'll likely be on permanent synchro duty

rapid bough
#

ok amendment: you get 30 free, but it increases to 35 when you pass level 200

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at level 200, your 5 most leveled nikke just become permanently synchro'd and you level up your whole synchro device instead of individual nikkes

old galleon
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ye i'm aware

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oh also i asked earlier but do i wishlist tove to try to mlb her, despite not having all the shotgun comp pieces?

rapid bough
#

realistically i have probably about 10 nikke i can take out of my synchro device at any given time, they're only used for raid purposes

old galleon
#

or do i just push with what i have?

rapid bough
#

who have you gotten dupes of so far besides cindy and rapunzel

old galleon
#

not in game right now but off the top of my head, liter, tove, centi

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alice dupes will also be imminent whenever i get to 300+ on standard pity

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oh and isabel but lol pilgrim

rapid bough
#

i'd just prolly wishlist tove. she's just one wishlist slot and getting 5 nikkes to MLB is priority, and making sure they're meta relevant is a bonus but shouldn't really change that plan

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my 5 ended up being liter + naga (very meta) but then ludmilla + poli + kilo (all meh to bad, though i used kilo in missilis tower for a while)

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go where the dupes take you

old galleon
#

ain't kilo a half anni welfare anyway

rapid bough
#

ya

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she was the same to me as young rapunzel will be to you lol

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free real estate MLB

old galleon
#

aight

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oh one more thing

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i checked earlier and my one mg user is a blue

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i don't think it's super relevant right now but uhhh it might or might not be later

long tree
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Isn't there only 3 Rapunzel this event not 4?

old galleon
#

welfare, 3 selector boxes

rapid bough
#

you get one free, and then 3 selectors

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selectors can be either rapunzel or smol white

long tree
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Ahh

long tree
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Just use rocket launchers, fire power is all that matters

old galleon
#

i see you joined the cult of neon

long tree
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I'm not huge on her design but she do spit facts

rapid bough
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the only "meta" MG nikkes are modernia and crown anyway

old galleon
#

sounds like my personal hell, me being the modernia-less player i am

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didn't also realize crown's mg but lol

rapid bough
#

rei (evangelion) and rem are good too but you missed those collabs rip

long tree
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Nah that's based

old galleon
#

i'm not too worried about missing the collabs

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would be nice to have those roles filled but i'll maek do

long tree
#

Missing two mid franchise collabs is based as hell

old galleon
#

tbf i actually happen to like re:zero

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but i'm not too fussed about missing the collab

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in the first place, re:zero seems really out of place in nikke's setting

rapid bough
#

that collab event's story ended up being a cooking competition

old galleon
#

lmao

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i mean i get the appeal of a collab being a more light-hearted thing

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but still

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it's also why i'm mixed on the dungeon meshi collab in arknights

#

similarly it feels out of place in arknights' setting

#

but arknights at least has some things that i think could make it work easier

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imagine trying to make meals out of arknights' originium monsters

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(sounds like an awful idea lol)

long tree
#

Chilchuck diagnosing laios with rock cancer after he ate 37 slugs

old galleon
#

oh also i don't have much context on main story and past events so i'm reading this event without all that, but um

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||cindy must have done something to piss off the world for all the shit she suffers, jesus||

long tree
#

:3

rapid bough
old galleon
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||she just eats a ton of misfortune and it never lets up||

rapid bough
#

to my knowledge ||this event is pretty self-contained with references here and there to red ash only... there's not much further context to give. cinderella's life is just pain and suffering||

summer hornet
#

Not the Pilgrim I wanted, but still a Pilgrim I can use

rapid bough
summer hornet
#

Carved a bit into chapter 11 just so I could get enough Synchro slots again lol

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Any advice on a new team comp from this list? I've not quite figured out how to use Cinderella yet lol

rapid bough
#

normally element teams are hit or miss outside of raid content but all of your best nikkes happen to be electric lol

old galleon
#

also cinderella feels really monkey brain to use, so it's not a big deal

rapid bough
#

so prolly something like liter / mari / cindy / s.anis / flex, prolly the rapunzel you literally just got as an off-burst healer

old galleon
#

just keep in mind that even after her bug fixes her shots can still arc pretty widely

rapid bough
#

can also use naga as an off-burst healer (over rapunzel) for more electric synergy, but she's a bit more inconsistent and really wants someone in the comp to give shields to be at her best

#

naga almost always pairs with crown or tia, but you don't have either of those yet

#

(but when paired with them she's one of the best supports in the game)

summer hornet
#

My experience with Naga is that she can heal a bit, but not a lot

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And Mari is already a better B2 in most ways for my teams now

#

So I'll swap her for Rapunzel

summer hornet
rapid bough
#

oh right cindy's gacha skin released today

#

damn that's a good skin

#

but even for those who ain't getting it, which i assume is everyone because $50 is a fucking lot even with the rewards along the way

#

remember you get 4 free pulls on both it and the scarlet skin

#

not enough to even have a chance at the skin, but you can get some free shit like vouchers from the pulls

#

normally gacha skins only give one free pull, but it's anni and there are 2 skins at once so they're giving us 4

old galleon
#

yeah i already did those

#

i'm def not buying the skins

rapid bough
#

lol the "event" name for the costume

old galleon
#

ngl 50 bucks is a colossal scam

rapid bough
#

and it's normally $60!

old galleon
#

60 is even worse

#

but both are bad

rapid bough
#

the 4 free pulls just shave off 10

#

but yes the gacha skin prices in this game are highway robbery

#

even the goodies you get along the way aren't nearly enough to justify it

#

you can get those in a season pass, which also has a skin, for $20

#

and even that price is pushing it

#

a gacha skin by comparison to a season pass skin has a new burst animation and a new animation skeleton (i.e. the idle posing is completely different from base)

#

that ain't a $40 difference

old galleon
#

ye

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as much as i adore cindy, i ain't shelling out $50 for a cosmetic

rapid bough
#

i have zero restraint and too much disposable income so i bought scarlet's skin

old galleon
#

esp since, and i'm gonna say this loudly for the people in the back

#

HER BASE SKIN IS GOATED

rapid bough
#

i'm having to restrain myself on the cindy skin

#

especially because... yeah, base is really good already

#

i'm trying to keep myself from feeling the regret i have from not buying crown's gacha skin when it was available during the 1.5 anni

#

but i don't think i'll regret not buying cindy's skin once the FOMO has passed

rapid bough
#

is that experience worth $50? no definitely not, but at least i got something i enjoy out of it

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don't think cindy's skin will give me that

old galleon
#

i mean i'm happy enough with the burst still in lobby anyway

rapid bough
#

scarlet's skin's burst ani goes so goddamn well with her theme

#

in a way that her base skin doesn't

#

also i don't even have any SBS dupes so i'd be centuries away from even getting her base burst ani in lobby anyway lol

#

that's another bonus of gacha skins for pilgrims i guess, since you get the skin's burst ani for lobby regardless of MLB status

#

and pilgrims are hell to MLB

old galleon
#

aight so i'm back in game now

#

my missilis wishlist is liter/naga/tia/ein/centi

#

liter and centi both have dupes, and naga and tia are what they are

#

do i just drop ein for tove then?

rapid bough
#

yeah probably. ein is quite good and worth adding back after you get your 5 MLBs, but with your pilgrim luck so far she's not cracking any team outside of missilis tower so you should be safe to just go for tove

old galleon
#

fwiw i do actually have a copy of ein, just no dupes

#

aight

rapid bough
#

oh lol

#

then yeah def tove

old galleon
#

i'm still missing both naga and tia but i assume i keep them on for reasons

#

there's my current wishlist setup

#

so ein goes

rapid bough
#

only crown+naga is better but crown's gotta be spooked

#

and you don't use crown+naga in raid content anyway since you need to field 5 teams so it's best to keep naga with tia, otherwise tia is useless

old galleon
#

yeah the issue i'm gonna have at least short-medium term is fielding 5 competent teams

rapid bough
#

it's only particularly important for the very last stage (which isn't really one you "beat", more just try to do as much damage as possible)

old galleon
rapid bough
#

at my current power level for instance, i do stages 1-8 of solo raid using the same team for each stage

old galleon
#

this plus some blues lurking at the bottom is my current roster

rapid bough
#

having liter + d:kw + doro already is damn nice, solo raid teams (aside from shotgun.mp4) really need CDR and you already have 3 of the best CDR units

#

but past that yeah you're strapped for good support/DPS beyond your main team

old galleon
#

sounds about right

mental acorn
#

~~🗣️🗣️🗣️ ~~

rapid bough
#

4 more prints ffs

#

i haven't been grinding the event this whole time because i've needed 12-4 to fund pulls

#

so now i'm playing catchup on the last day

#

farming for gear BPs sucks ass

old galleon
#

yeah they made the drop rates for both the cl equivalent and the bb equivalent guns really low apparently

#

the 12 pounder is at least in core data shop if you need the copies, but the others suck

rapid bough
#

yeah i just want the guns that are usable on subs

#

i can buy the 12 pounder but i'd rather not if i don't have to

#

so farming for this one

old galleon
#

those are equivalent to cl guns, so if you're farming them for the sub frigates, you're probably eating a dps hit

#

the 12 pounders are equivalent to dd guns

rapid bough
#

all i want to do is cheese the sub daily lol

#

i'm already calling the BB guns a loss, since those are on event stage 5

#

and also i'm never gonna use any of these tempesta ships for anything other than cheesing sub daily

summer hornet
rapid bough
#

not a single BP, still 11/15

#

it's joever, guess i'm gonna buy the core shop gun

#

WTF there's a ship i don't have yet???

#

adventure galley is on the points path? omfg how did i not realize this

#

jesus i'm 4370 points away... a logistics plan sortie gives 360 so that's 13 logistics plans sorties

#

ffffffffffffff

rapid bough
#

holy fuck this new zzz battle tower would be an absolute unmitigated nightmare without caesar

#

can't imagine trying to do this without her shield allowing you to make mistakes

#

i'd call it a crutch, and it is, but tbh this content feels almost balanced around having it lol

#

this meme from zzz sub basically says it all

runic ether
#

i believe ben and seth have similar performance

#

especially with mindscapes

#

which explains why we can just buy seth free

#

err

#

with pulls

#

in the shop

rapid bough
#

does seth's shield also have a shield gate? because that's really the reason caesar's shield is so OP

runic ether
#

no it goes over your hp bar like ben

#

but its usually enough to get through

rapid bough
#

i can't even begin to imagine how ben or seth could be anywhere near as good as caesar then

#

these mobs be taking out half your HP bar on a single minor hit

runic ether
#

idk tho i have caesar and havent needed ben or seth

#

but i do have them both built (mostly)

#

so i can test this weekend

rapid bough
#

i've no doubt people far better than me can do it without caesar or specifically with non-shield gate agents

#

but this feels like 95% of the playerbase who isn't rabidly min-maxing their comps will basically need caesar as a crutch

#

(i am part of that 95%)

runic ether
#

which is fine for an optional mode

#

i really appreciate zzz not pulling punches on the difficult modes

#

genshin cruises way too easily

#

hsr says "get new team comps every few months" which is a bit much

#

in zzz u can in theory skill past this

#

which is a good spot to be at imo

#

i'd rather a skill gate over a money gate

rapid bough
#

can't argue with that though it feels like a bit of a money gate considering a large part of the playerbase will probably have a 100x harder time in this content without caesar

rigid pilot
rapid bough
#

fortunately it's optional and honestly the rewards are nothing to write home about

runic ether
#

eventually at least

runic ether
#

again

#

its purely optional

#

to flex basically

rapid bough
runic ether
#

missed ruan mei? break teams are not an option

#

missed robin? fua is not an option

#

will you miss sunday? hyper carry is not an option

#

what do you have?

#

genuinely like nothing

#

asta is budget rm but the powercreep is so high that old hypercarries are struggling to clear content

#

let alone with a budget 5 star

#

cant think of a single 5 star in hsr that is like "okay if u have this one 5 star, you're set" besides maybe ruan mei

#

let alone any dps

#

you really want their full team to clear

#

and im not sure how they fix it for hsr

#

they released multiple game modes for different dps types but that only resolved the fact some dps characters just didnt have a game mode they did well in

#

we'll see tho since hoyo has shown they can tune balance well

#

if there's a particular good patch for hsr with good reruns and such that'd be a nice spot to hop in

#

probs anniversary

#

so 3.0 in about 3-4 months?

rigid pilot
#

Hmm

long tree
#

I’m still debating on Sunday or new tingyun

runic ether
#

im cooked bro i want both

#

im fine missing on sunday

#

hypercarries are weird

#

but going in on lingsha means i do want fugue

long tree
#

Oh I want both but like man I have to pick one… you know what I’m sure Acheron will be fine without him… probably (idk if she even wants him) so tingyun it is

runic ether
#

acheron doesnt care much about sunday

#

unless you are e2

#

but then sparkle is better

#

so you're getting sunday if you have imbibitor lunae or jingliu

#

or seele fwiw

long tree
#

I mean I have all three but I ain’t using em rn

runic ether
#

if you wanna use them, you're going for sunday for at least one

long tree
#

Tingyun is for super break right? So firefly?

#

If so then I’m defo going tingyun

runic ether
#

super break replacing hmc

#

or replacing firefly if you have lingsha or e6 gallagher

#

into fire-weak enemies

long tree
#

I got e6 Gallagher but I’m probably still just gonna replace hmc cause firefly’s animations are cool

runic ether
#

if they arent fire-weak, its fine because firefly does the implant

#

if fire-weak, its redundant since you'll extract more damage out of the cracked damage that gallagher and lingsha have with hmc + fugue + rm

#

but its mostly whatever

long tree
#

Fair enough, I’m hoping fugues animations will be cool

runic ether
#

they aare

#

they are already out if u wanna look

long tree
#

I just saw Sunday's animations

#

THE CHARMONY DOVE

runic ether
#

questionable still

#

miyabi had similar rumors

slow raft
#

So i did some birthday rolls in nikke and well

#

My ssr mold turned into an sr

#

And while i did get 2 ssrs in only 50 rolls on the event banner

#

Neither of you are grave

old galleon
#

time to finally work on some celestial weaopns

#

anyway the second stage of the gw skin needs 1b honors to unlock

#

so that's fun

old galleon
#

STOP THE COUNT

#

remember if anyone else is actually doing this, ex+ is 35m hp and nm90 is 50m

#

so if you want to 1 turn them you'll need to use other setups aside from whatever worked for them pre-changes

old galleon
#

i'd forgotten how bullshit the chest of good fortune drop rate was

#

jesus this is miserable already

#

on the subject of things that aren't miserable, nikke handed out 10 free advanced tickets

#

oh wait i can't read, it's only nm95 or higher

#

this is why we don't do gw immediately after waking up

#

well even so, i still need celestial weapons

#

so i'm fine camping in nm90 for a while

old galleon
#

archer rolling in his seat on the throne

patent swift
old galleon
#

the levels of insanity it takes to farm out 1b honors in 4 hours on day 1 are ridiculous

#

ex+ is 126k honors per run, nm90 is 305k

#

and this mf has 1.1b in 4 hours

rapid bough
#

wonder how many vouchers this brings me up to

#

141 and counting, still have 15 in the event shop and a few more from the minigame

#

i am so ready to pull the 6 incoming winter units

long tree
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”mini game”
whole ass mid Metroidvania

old galleon
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yeah "mini game" is kind of an understatement for this one

rapid bough
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hey man that's the word they used to describe it, not me

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they did definitely cook for this one though

old galleon
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i heard someone got softlocked

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i would hope that's been fixed by now tho

long tree
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Playing metroidvanias on a touchscreen is not my ideal

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It’s serviceable though

old galleon
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would strongly suggest playing pc client for that if possible

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controls are a bit weird but much more manageable than touchscreen imo

rapid bough
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i'm pretty sure the nikke devs routinely forget their game is a mobile game lol

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feels to me like content has been designed with a PC in mind for a while now

old galleon
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design game to be played on vertical screens
alteisen

rapid bough
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hey there's a horizontal mode

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alteisen is actually a relatively small offender compared to recent bosses

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there was a new mirror container boss that i've heard is actual hell on earth on small phone screens

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there's important mechanics you literally cannot see depending on which character you're focusing

old galleon
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fun

rapid bough
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incidentally that boss is just hell period

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absolutely hate its fight design

rapid bough
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only ended up getting a single extra cannon BP from 13 extra logistics plans sorties lol

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now i get to sit at 12/15 until next year i guess

old galleon
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meat is soooooo much easier to farm

dull bridge
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@runic ether how would i make my sw better? more onset good speed? do i build her a diff way than speed ehr? or is this good?

runic ether
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get the same speed on a support set

dull bridge
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which set

runic ether
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support planar set specifically

dull bridge
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ok

runic ether
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any

dull bridge
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is penacony not good

runic ether
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broken keel

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fleet of ageless

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penacony one is meh

dull bridge
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ok

runic ether
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its fine but not perfect

dull bridge
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i thought the err was god

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good

runic ether
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with tutorial + an err rope you're good

dull bridge
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ok

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i prob don't need to prefarm for jiaoqiu for a while

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since his rerun won't be for a while

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so i can farm sw

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and fu xuan?

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cause my
team is fu xuan jiaoqiu sw and acheron

runic ether
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sure

dull bridge
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i think my acheron is fine for now also?

runic ether
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thats pretty poor crit rate

old galleon
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so with solo raid coming back later i guess i have more options now than i did when it first ran

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but i'm still not sure how i'll approach it

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stage 2 was such a big powerspike i can't envision i've leveled enough to do it that easily

rapid bough
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yeah i wouldn't worry about it too much, i think the highest i was able to clear before breaking the 160 wall was like stage 4 or something

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and that was after a while at 160 and with a fair bit of overload gear (the endgame RNG gear)

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the repeatable rewards increase in tiers anyway, i think stages 1-2 are the same, then 3-4, then 5-7? could be misremembering

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obviously getting the first time clear rewards is nice too but in terms of repeat rewards every day i don't think there's any benefit to stage 2 over 1

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so just being able to clear 1 is still fine

old galleon
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they're not finished yet but here's what i'm thinking so far

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l - r based on the order within their burst category i plan to put them

rapid bough
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privaty should go into your team with dorothy, they pair very well together

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flex for team 1 might be helm, since grave/centi doesn't have any healing

old galleon
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ye maybe

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also need to figure out where i'm using blanc

rapid bough
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idk how much healing this raid actually needs

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blanc is borderline unusable in a raid setting without rouge/noir

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or at least she'll require a second B2

old galleon
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second b2 shouldn't be a big deal, i have options

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if nero or signal are somewhat usable i can go throw one of them in the synchro device

rapid bough
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second B3 for team 2 is prolly soline, especially since marciana heals should hopefully keep her topped up which she really needs

old galleon
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ye i have marciana there to help with scarlet but soline works too

rapid bough
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there is also an argument for frontloading the shit out of team 1 and hoping you can one-shot the boss, in which case i'd go liter/grave/cindy/scarlet/privaty lol

old galleon
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that probably ain't happening lol

rapid bough
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can always mock battle to try it out

old galleon
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for fifth comp i'm weighing between welfare horny nun and n102, not sure which burst skill is overall better

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one's atk%, the other's atk damage%

rapid bough
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atk damage% is generally agreed to be better if the percent increases are the same otherwise

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usually though you'll see ATK% increases of like 70% and atk damage% increase like 35%

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which should give you an idea of the balance between them

old galleon
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well due to a noticeable lack of skill books my skills aren't exactly invested

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the atk% is a little over 11% and the atk damage% is a little over 9%

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er exactly 9 lol

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11.31% atk vs 9% atk damage

rapid bough
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i'd bet atk damage% is better, but there is some weirdness with the nature of rapunzel's buff that might offset it

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namely that you have to sit with her charged and not firing to get the damage buff

old galleon
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that's true for the one on her s1

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i'm talking about her burst skill

rapid bough
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oh, well you should prolly do both but fair

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on burst alone she prolly beats n102 tho

old galleon
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if i'm factoring the s1 then rapunzel clearly wins, i'd think, but that also requires me to be on her and making her hold still

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so then i'm losing one character doing damage to buff the other four

rapid bough
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doubt she's doing all that much damager herself but ye

old galleon
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on the other hand, neither her nor n102's personal damage is probably very good

rapid bough
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holding her to buff the others would scale better if the others are significantly stronger

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but at minimal investment there's more parity between them

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ultimately i don't think it's really worth worrying about, something tells me you're not gonna get all the way to team 5

old galleon
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or if i do it's bc the run is dead anyway

rapid bough
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the boss is either gonna roflstomp you in which case t5 won't help, or you'll beat it before that point

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having a full 5 teams is only really important for the challenge "do as much damage as possible" stage at the very end of a solo raid

old galleon
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also i'm not factoring alice in much bc she's really slow uninvested, but if i can fit her somewhere, i might end up having to

rapid bough
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even uninvested she's probably a mid-tier B3 DPS for you

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she's not awful pre-investment

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just mediocre, especially compared to the goddess of death she becomes with full OL gear + maxed skills

old galleon
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hippity hoppity

rapid bough
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using her is annoying at max investment anyway

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requires hitting frame-perfect shots which i am not good at

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so you'll rarely reach actually optimal DPS levels with her

old galleon
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learning speedrun tricks to play gacha games

rapid bough
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lol

old galleon
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says me, who is also playing gw

rapid bough
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it's just because maxed alice gets 100% charge speed, so she charges instantly

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so optimal gameplay is trying to get essentially going from one max-charged shot to the next with as few frames as possible of her ducking back into cover in between

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and obviously spending as little wasted time as possible at 100% charge

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it's pretty insane to watch people do it properly

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i'd ask how tf they do it but i'm pretty sure i know (macros)

old galleon
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isn't that what the anti-cheat is supposed to be for

rapid bough
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yes, but it ain't perfect

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and there are ways to fool it, like setting up recorded key presses with your keyboard but sprinkling in just enough randomness to make the anti-cheat think you're doing it manually

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either way i'm not gonna risk getting my now heavily invested account (in both real money and time) banned so i can get squeeze out some extra DPS in a gacha game where the reward for doing so is basically to flex and not much more lol

old galleon
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indeed

rapid bough
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honestly, while alice's DPS is very good, i almost think her real power is what she does when paired with scarlet: black shadow

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S:BS's DPS goes absolutely ballistic with a maxed alice alongside her

old galleon
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one of the pilgrims who didn't spook me when i was on my pilgrim streak

rapid bough
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S:BS has a very short charge time (0.3 sec i think?) but alice has a buff that speeds up her charge time by a percentage of alice's charge time, i think 10% of her 1.5sec charge

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so she almost halves S:BS's charge time, it's a bonkers DPS increase

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S:BS with alice buff is tied for the highest boss damage in the game

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cinderella is the only one who matches her, since her burst hits like a truck filled with smaller trucks