Pokemon

[ashen barn]

But awful in doubles due to...yeah, 1 fake out makes it way less bulky

[fading stratus]

well its not even fake out
its just the opportunity cost

[ashen barn]

Doesn't help that it's psychic and flying and thus weak to everything ever

[ashen barn]

Setting that aside for a minute

[fading stratus]

if you play it you'd be missing out on other good mons you could play since you can play only 2 restricted

[ashen barn]

Because of course there's bulkier and stronger

[swift jasper]

latios is fat...

[pseudo goblet]

Lets see

Lunala>Kyogre>Latias/Thundurus>Yvetal>Palkia/Zekrom/Lugia

thats my priority list for DA mon in the future

[fading stratus]

multiscale dragonite was one of the best mons in the format where incin was in 65% of teams

so not really about fake out tbh

[ashen barn]

Ok but dnite has offensive presence

Lugia...uhhh

Ig aeroblast crits often?

[fading stratus]

yeah thats why lugia is bad
it doesn't have offensive presence

it crits 12.5% of times yeah

[pseudo goblet]

I am not specify the exact places for the last three, Im no dying to their respective fans

[ashen barn]

In singles, lugia is amazing

Given its titanic bulk and (at least used to) access to toxic and more

In doubles, with a faster paced format, it just doesn't have the tools to be good

[fading stratus]

yeah

[ashen barn]

Also, lmao typing doesn't give it any favors whatsoever

Flying psychic

[pseudo goblet]

And slower than the fat cat too

[fading stratus]

it being bulky is fine but it should contribute to the battle with something else

like lunala gets wide guard

[ashen barn]

Vs rock slides, dark moves, etc

[fading stratus]

ho oh can burn

[ashen barn]

And a broken ability

Basically multiscale

[fading stratus]

multiscale on steroids

[ashen barn]

But you have better bulk and more offensive presence

Because trick room, tailwind, meteor beam, etc

[swift jasper]

which fat cat? cause purugly is fast for some reason

[ashen barn]

This fat cat

Purugly is me when I hear there's lasagne on the menu

[swift jasper]

well he's literally called ugly so skill issue

[ashen barn]

never said I'm pretty

[pseudo goblet]

Yes

[ashen barn]

That evaporates half the fucking format

[fading stratus]

yep that woulda been wild

[ashen barn]

Or fairy aura tera fairy specs flutter dazzling gleam/moonblast

[fading stratus]

yeah

[ashen barn]

Like holy cow, miraidon hurts already

I do not need miraidon + xerneas doing the double whammy

[fading stratus]

even standalone Xerneas is probs better than miraidon

[ashen barn]

Power herb geomancy is a drug

[fading stratus]

yeah

[ashen barn]

Although

I fear smeargle xerneas more

Call it PTSD

[fading stratus]

you forget

[ashen barn]

Post Traumatic Smeargle Disorder

[fading stratus]

Geomancy Xerneas + Psych Up Lunala

[ashen barn]

Holy shit

That too

And both shit on koraidon

[fading stratus]

yeah

[ashen barn]

And kinda on miraidon too

Given you can just double defenses

[fading stratus]

i think the only real xerneas counter would be like Zama

[ashen barn]

I am regretting going to the office today

I need to focus and I can't manage to do so thanks to my loud coworker nearby

At least I don't have any calls today

[pseudo goblet]

Mines overweighted apparently

Which is odd seeing hes not starving from staying in a basically abandoned account lol

[fading stratus]

you fed him too much

[fading stratus]

[normal cave]

Chonk

[warm sky]

you'd need to invest then because

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 178-210 (98.8 - 116.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[fading stratus]

I meant more like

it's faster and can threaten with a beehemoth bash/heavy slam

whichever is higher power vs lunala

[warm sky]

that does 2hko yeah

but tbf

if you get the whole +2

[fading stratus]

huh only 2hko

[warm sky]

you will outspeed

also

[fading stratus]

thought it would ohko

but ig zama isnt zacian

[warm sky]

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 172-204 (86.4 - 102.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[fading stratus]

noone plays focus blast

you aren't running focus blast

[warm sky]

I mean you would if zama was actually a threat

[outer eagle]

Calc Scarfed Koraidon Flare Blitz smh

[fading stratus]

well you wouldnt

[warm sky]

252+ Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Behemoth Bash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 186-222 (92.5 - 110.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

can't even 100% ohko at max atk vs uninvested

[fading stratus]

you;d just use your partner to solve zama matchup

like y'know a certain red cat

[outer eagle]

meme with murkrow and prankster haze

[warm sky]

252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Xerneas in Sun: 147-174 (73.1 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

you could with tera fire then

[fading stratus]

yeah Xern is surprisingly bulky

[outer eagle]

hmm less than i expected

[warm sky]

or you go adamant

[fading stratus]

adamant was optimal last format

probs not rn

[warm sky]

nvm 252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Xerneas in Sun: 161-190 (80 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

adamant doesn't do it either

yeah you'd need to tera

[fading stratus]

I think people were speed tying on max speed timid mirais

[outer eagle]

me when koraidon isn't dragon/fire

[fading stratus]

koraidon miraidon really is hydrogen bomb and coughing baby

especially next gen when tera isnt legal

[warm sky]

life orb also does it but

you'd need redirection

[outer eagle]

you need the scarf to outspeed +2 unfort

[warm sky]

or predict w/ wide guard vs dazzling

since yeah

[fading stratus]

idt you can even outspeed +2 with scarf

[outer eagle]

zamn you don't

[warm sky]

164 speed timid outspeeds koraidon jolly with scarf

[fading stratus]

xern generally plays jolly yeah

timid

whatever

yami made me confused

[warm sky]

I simply used teeter dance

[outer eagle]

smh why does a tree stump have 126 hp kidge

[warm sky]

tree of life

[fading stratus]

trees are bulky

[pseudo goblet]

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Serebii Update: The cover of the Pokécology book, which shows the study Pokémon and how they live and interact in their ecology, has been revealed.

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X · May 9, 2025, 5:10 AM

… I actually kinda wanna get this…

[latent sleet]

it has come to my attention i somehow have no rocky helmets ptcg

[pseudo goblet]

Finally got around and found shiny Growlithe lol

[normal cave]

What is my boi Reshi doing there, acting like they're just another wild pokemon

[fading stratus]

its a wild pokemon but noone wants it

zekrom is the goated one

[normal cave]

Reshi is my fave

[fading stratus]

sigular reshiram fan

[normal cave]

Reshi's strongest soldier

https://tenor.com/view/n-harmonia-pokemon-natural-harmonia-gropius-gif-7561266962453365667

[warm sky]

Ngl reshi and zek need a buff

[ashen barn]

Legit...better stat distribution

[fading stratus]

If they had like 30 more speed they'd probs be decent

Or 40

[spice rivet]

Speaking of buffing Legendaries, give Mewtwo a new cool hidden ability

[ashen barn]

Dragon fire is good typing
Same as dragon electric

[spice rivet]

Stupid horse eats his Lunch money

[ashen barn]

But the stats fuck them over

[fading stratus]

Mewtwo with sheer force on steroids would be cool

[warm sky]

I've seen most people say either give him psychic surge or neuroforce

[spice rivet]

I think someone once suggested Neuro Force too which would be cool

[ashen barn]

Mewtwo should be given adaptability or an ability to make his coverage matter

Like a built in expert belt

[warm sky]

that'd be neuroforce

that's literally neuro force

[ashen barn]

[fading stratus]

Noone in their right mind wants a fast Psychic surge setter that gets expanding force

And is actually bulky

[ashen barn]

Man I've been working since 9am

[warm sky]

Pokémon with Neuroforce deal 25% more damage with supereffective moves, regardless of the effectiveness multiplier.

[ashen barn]

Cut me some slaaaaaack

[warm sky]

You'd be surprised how many comp youtubers and redittors suggested it

[ashen barn]

It's 5:30pm of a Friday afternoon

[warm sky]

Personally I think it'd be cooler if turboblaze and teravolt were buffed

Like some things are immune to mold breaker right?

[ashen barn]

Yeah

[warm sky]

mayb they ignore it

[fading stratus]

Well redditors suggest everything so that doesn't count

[warm sky]

also make it buff their fire / electric moves

[ashen barn]

I say not just ignore ability but get a buff to fire and electric

Damn, read my mind

[warm sky]

also make their signature moves stronger ig

[fading stratus]

It could be gets 1.1* boost to electric/fire moves alongside mold breaker

[ashen barn]

A blue flare coming off reshiram that way is beyond horrifying

[warm sky]

I was thinking more 1.2x tbh

[ashen barn]

Reshi is actually insanely strong

It's simply frail and slow

[warm sky]

Reshi would get a niche as a wallbreaker

[ashen barn]

So you don't truly notice it

[warm sky]

also for Mewtwo

buff psystrike to 120 BP tbh

[ashen barn]

Ysah

100 is barely better than psychic

[fading stratus]

Buff origin pulse to 100 accuracy too

Hear me out

[warm sky]

https://tenor.com/view/tinkaton-meme-tinkaton-evolution-line-hammer-pokemon-pink-pokemon-pokemon-game-gif-9587729220058263287

[fading stratus]

Mewtwo gets delta stream for psychic types

[pseudo goblet]

found second Growlithe after small nap

[warm sky]

you know what I am surprised gamefreak never did?

[ashen barn]

Funny how my gf keeps spamming this gif whenever I make her mad

[warm sky]

buff Dito's two signature items

[ashen barn]

I jerked at the sight

[warm sky]

because they don't work when transformed

[ashen barn]

Admittedly these were items to attempt to fix ditto

[warm sky]

metal powder worked when transformed in gen 2

[ashen barn]

And then gen 5 made the logical choice

[warm sky]

obviously

[ashen barn]

At this point
Simply make them work at all times

[warm sky]

you'd need to nerf the buff

[fading stratus]

I think 100 BP for psystrike makes sense that's in line with most signature moves

Just give it a better ability

[ashen barn]

And nerf the amount

[warm sky]

but say

quick is a 1.2x speed boost

and metal is idk, 1.3x defense boosts

bam

[ashen barn]

I'd be down for it, but with 1.2 across the board

[warm sky]

works with imposter

[ashen barn]

Something I'd like to be buffed again is dark void

[warm sky]

it sucks that it has unnerve due to the fucking shit ass horses

[ashen barn]

My man Darkrai got shot in the knees because of Smeargle

[fading stratus]

You know what we should buff
Regular rayquaza
Man's worse than mfing dragonite

[ashen barn]

TRUEEEE

[warm sky]

I mean how do you buff regular ray without breaking mega ray

[ashen barn]

You don't bring back megaray

[fading stratus]

Yeah word

[warm sky]

looks at champions

[ashen barn]

Or rebalance megaray' stats

[warm sky]

we're getting megas

[fading stratus]

You know what Mewtwo needs?

Geomancy

[ashen barn]

Fuck no

[warm sky]

also on god, buff the mega mewtwos too

[ashen barn]

Yeah

[fading stratus]

Eternatus with neuroforce would be cool

[ashen barn]

How does Y have less output than LO

And how does X not have shit

[warm sky]

Eh it's already bootleg necrozma visually also it's more like the insane wall

so it shouldn't really have an offensive buff

what they should do is give it regenerator

[ashen barn]

[fading stratus]

You could give it prism armour

That'd be fine too

Or even better

Multi scale

Hear me out
Mewtwo with an ability that's basically reverse mummy

If it hits a opponents Mon their ability changes to [NULL]

[jovial goblet]

Muko

Normal Trap

Effect

Activate only when an effect of drawing card(s) is activated. Both players see the cards drawn by the effect and discard them all to the Graveyard.

F/L Status: Unlimited (TCG/OCG/MD)

[warm sky]

also they should just allow mythicals once we get champions tbh

[fading stratus]

They have allowed mythical once

As a meme

[warm sky]

nah hear me out, give mewtwo gen 1 amnesia

[fading stratus]

So just geomancy

[warm sky]

without the speed boost

[outer eagle]

why we tryna buff mewtwo

[warm sky]

and you don't run the herb

[ashen barn]

And only magearna was used

[fading stratus]

No melmetal was vroken iirc

[warm sky]

because it sucks and is my 3rd favorite mon

[warm sky]

I mean - insane in trick room

[outer eagle]

zamn ig we need to be buff eelektross cuz it sucks and it's my 5th favorite mon

[ashen barn]

Straight up boom something alongside the opponent
+3 spatk
Sweep off an automize

[warm sky]

also speaking of - melmetal is the only reason idt we're ever gonna see iron fist getting buffed to be 1.5 like all the others

like sharpness

[ashen barn]

Melm with that strong a punch is a great argument against buffing it

[fading stratus]

Word Ryu we should buff drapion

I like that guy

[ashen barn]

Drapion is good

[warm sky]

it's a real shame, because most iron fist pokémon are uh

[ashen barn]

At least for sinnoh nuzlockes

[ashen barn]

LEDIAN

[fading stratus]

Drapion is one of the most annoying mons to face in a rom hack

[warm sky]

like

[ashen barn]

Behold the power of the mon with 35 atk iron fist

[ashen barn]

YOU TELL ME ABOUT IT, ATTEMPT 5 OF RENPLAT BECAUSE I KEEP DYING TO AARON

That sniper sd drapion is a demon

[fading stratus]

I think you're supposed to die to Aaron too

[outer eagle]

poison dark do be a nice typing

[ashen barn]

It is designed that way

In Drayano's words

[fading stratus]

Rad red also has a sniper wicked blow banded drapion

[ashen barn]

Dayum

[warm sky]

Hitmonchan has weird bad stats
Ledian is Ledian
Infernape has been powercrept
Conkeldurr has like 2 other good abilities and also powercreep again
Golurk prefers No Guard
Pangoro sucks
Crabominable sucks
Melmetal is vroken
Pawmot is somehow bad

[ashen barn]

Still. I found a way to get past Aaron every time

[fading stratus]

They should give blastoise line follow me back

[ashen barn]

After wiping 4 times

You set up rock polish and sd torterra against his lead dustox

[warm sky]

fwiw natdex ubers due to mega + shell smash

[ashen barn]

Which basically can't touch shell armor tort

and then sweep

[warm sky]

there's only 1 good iron fist mon basically and it's not even VGC legal. So I kinda want it to be 1.5 like all the others

[fading stratus]

Arbok should get an evolution called
Adnocana

[warm sky]

also speaking of starters that need a buff

Decidueye

because

what the fuck

why is long reach

[ashen barn]

The speed

[warm sky]

such a shitty ability

[ashen barn]

And its speed is abysmal

It's half a joke even in unite

[fading stratus]

Conkeldurr is good

[ashen barn]

Best damage output in game off 1 arrow

[fading stratus]

It's just that guts is better

[ashen barn]

Slow af

And you die immediately

[fading stratus]

Well it's a TR attacker

Also pawmot is good

[ashen barn]

There's "jump the owl"

[warm sky]

yeah as I said, there's better abilities for it

so it's not an iron fist mon

[ashen barn]

Unless you meet a good owl player, you never die against it

Funniest part is that they keep buffing damage

NOT MOBILITY

[mighty storm]

lmao this reddit god pack XD

[fading stratus]

You know what we should buff? Sandslash

[ashen barn]

Aka Inteleon is better in every way because it has lower damage but higher mobility

[warm sky]

give both a and regular slash an evo

[fading stratus]

They should also give like regular swampert a buff too

[ashen barn]

Honestly, with those stats...

[fading stratus]

It's just worse gastro

[warm sky]

replace damp with a good ability

[ashen barn]

Pert in gen 3 is great

And damp is a tragedy

The irony of damp given in gen5

With boom nerfed to the ground

[warm sky]

buff boom

[outer eagle]

peeps really trying to buff every mon from their 3rd grade

[ashen barn]

3rd grade?

[fading stratus]

We should also buff snorlax while we're at it

[ashen barn]

BROTHER HOW OLD DO YOU THINK I AM

[warm sky]

unnerf aegislash

[fading stratus]

It's just worse Ursaluna now

[warm sky]

do it

cowards

[fading stratus]

Like 35

[ashen barn]

I AM IN MY MID 20S FFS

[warm sky]

fuck it

[ashen barn]

Stop giving me unc allegations

[warm sky]

unnerf talonflame

[ashen barn]

(I won't beat them)

[warm sky]

I want to see the world brave

[outer eagle]

hey rse was 20 years ago so who knows maybe you played them when you were 5

[ashen barn]

Which I did

[fading stratus]

Gale wings reminds me

We should give Mewtwo a ability which boosts a damage by 50% when it's at full HP

[mighty storm]

I still hope to one day receive another god pack

[ashen barn]

I did play RSE when I was 5 while I was hospitalized

[outer eagle]

so fake out victim?

[fading stratus]

Yes

[ashen barn]

Oh god

[fading stratus]

I think it'd be cool contrast to multiscale

[ashen barn]

Indedee + mewtwo

Expanding force

[fading stratus]

Yep

That's the idea

[mighty storm]

the only god pack I've ever received

[ashen barn]

It'd have a niche as a specs nuke button

[outer eagle]

but what if we click specs electro drift instead

[fading stratus]

Miraidon is playing AV nowadays

Idk if it'll last or just a meta call

[ashen barn]

[outer eagle]

it's been 1 event...

[fading stratus]

Well yeah

I think other events don't matter now

Only thing that matters is NAIC

next month

Because everyone is hiding their techs for NAIC and worlds

[outer eagle]

Place ya bets will there be a 4-time world champion mon

[ashen barn]

Incin

[outer eagle]

amoonguss will succeed trust

[fading stratus]

It'll either be amoongus or incin yeah

Doubt any other will win

[outer eagle]

thundurus pulling something outta its ass surely

[fading stratus]

Physical thundy will return again trust

I wonder if Japan will win this worlds

Because Japan has won every odd worlds since 2015 iirc

[swift jasper]

2 wins

Also it's the wrong form

[fading stratus]

Yeah true
Dark Urshifu goated

Water Urshifu wrong form

[outer eagle]

Turns out actually practicing martial arts instead of being edgy gives you more competitive viability

[fading stratus]

also y'know not being nerfed

[spice rivet]

https://pokepast.es/a89887c5ab6cb33e

Rental is 0FCVMX

Shiliang Tang's a great team builder

[kind vortex]

29 speed incin to underspeed things lol

some neat techs here

[polar osprey]

@sonic inlet

[pseudo goblet]

Rare candy works on fossil??

[polar osprey]

yes

[mighty storm]

yup

[fading stratus]

29 speed incin is probably just to underspeed opposing incin

[pseudo goblet]

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ItsDone (@ItsDone2000) on X

Pokémon Wallpaper 👀

X · May 9, 2025, 3:24 PM

[fading stratus]

also its probably just a group creation

because both carson confer and andrew ding were on this team as well

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/goomy-pokemon-ice-cream-gif-24661454

[normal cave]

Goomy

[pseudo goblet]

I NEED Shiny Alpha Goomy

[fading stratus]

why tf is it so big

oh its an alpha

[pseudo goblet]

That’s literally Alpha’s gimmick lol

[fading stratus]

but its still too big

[fading stratus]

do you think I read

[pseudo goblet]

You havent seen alpha Garchomp have you lol

[fading stratus]

[pseudo goblet]

Clearly better than me, yet here we are

[fading stratus]

alpha garchomp is like twice the size of the player

which sounds fine

[pseudo goblet]

Goomy can fr eat the player

Huh, Shiny Spiritomb’s rock is green color

It looks blue tho

[pseudo goblet]

Btw Bolt has Wugtrio done anything neat in meta

[sonic inlet]

Yeah that's basically what happens when I do it

[fading stratus]

very neat yeah

you dont even see any sign of it

anything with a niche is usable in competitive but idt wugtrio has any niche

its bad thing is having stats based around a mon which has arena trap

but without arena trap

oh btw @spice rivet did you see your fav sun dusk mane team that day 2'd miluawkee

[viral ingot]

We see so much immersive, but the rare 2-Star Lillie art. Excellent pull!

[ashen barn]

So, I'm at a friend's house
This is new

[fading stratus]

vapounicorn

that's a regional variant

[sonic inlet]

Those are the eyes of something who has no thoughts at all

[ashen barn]

Well, my friend is as smart as a koala usually soooo

[fading stratus]

Komala has 75 spA so its smart enough

[spice rivet]

👀

[fading stratus]

https://youtu.be/X5DSQIrsvxI?si=wyMgsYTHxntXzO0a

[normal cave]

@swift jasper

[swift jasper]

[warm sky]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2361279385 @fading stratus I have no idea sometimes what people are cooking

[ashen barn]

Water grounds are gamers

They fear grass

[fading stratus]

Would you believe me if I said brambleghast was rogue

It's a good Mon but probably not the format for it yeah

Altaria is probably because cloud nine

Rest seem playableish mons

I think the most unplayable Mon here is reshiram lmao

[random stream]

I had to pp stall kingdra @fading stratus @outer eagle

[fading stratus]

which game

just base emerald?

fuck that kingdra

[void herald]

weirdge is a great name for a whiscash imo

[swift jasper]

Everyone has good nicknames but me

I kinda just give up mid nuzlocke

[fading stratus]

I use a random name generator

[outer eagle]

The naming rule was originally meant to make the player more connected to their mons so losses hurt more.
Reality is that you catch so many mons per run due to optimization that you don’t care which mon is named which in the end.

[fading stratus]

yeah

only name that matters is on the starter and magikarp

gyarados goated

[outer eagle]

Smh since i play rando runs exclusively nowadays even starters are whatever

80% of my starters die before the 5th gym

[fading stratus]

rando runs not really for me I'm too lazy to prep for all possibilities

[random stream]

Randos are always super bloody

[outer eagle]

I mean it’s both easier and harder at the same time

You only need to care about team balance and overall coverage

So unlike extreme hardcore mods you don’t have to specifically build counters based on teamsheets

[fading stratus]

smh uses legendaries

[random stream]

Yeah I don't like the hardcore mods too much I think it's too much

[fading stratus]

I do like a bit hard but not super hard that you need to prep for every damage roll yeah

[outer eagle]

The one thing with rando runs is that about 50% of runs will be determined if they are worth continuing within the first 2 gyms

Ren used Dustox

[fading stratus]

dustox is fiiiine

It was useful in one of my gen 3 rom hack runs too idk which one

[outer eagle]

Dustox’s typing is good

Too bad its stats are so ass

[fading stratus]

wormadam is probably the best early route bug

for typing

[outer eagle]

Depends on the one ig

[fading stratus]

trash cloak specifically

[outer eagle]

Imagine getting grass wormadam

[fading stratus]

its fiiiine

both sand and trash cloak are good tho

but since you can change cloaks of burm anyway

it should be okay

[outer eagle]

My perception is skewed from rando since a mon with quad weaknesses needs to be extremely good in other areas to be worth using there

And even then i only use ones with 1 quad weaknesses at most

[fading stratus]

its so funny that they're great partners as well as enemies

[spice rivet]

Also, I made it to Master Ball tn. 8 win, 5 losses. I had 3 people disconnect vs me when I slept their entire team 😂

[fading stratus]

gj which team

[spice rivet]

The Day 2 Dusk Mane team

[fading stratus]

that was a pretty funny team

[spice rivet]

Ting Lu goes crazy rn too.

Astral Barrage tickling it for like 30 HP lmao

[fading stratus]

ting lu is weird
its best partner dozo gets cucked by mirai

[spice rivet]

Also, people kept Volt Switching from Miraidon into Hands anticipating the Trick Room so I would Photon Geyser and get the OHKO lmao

[fading stratus]

holy shit

that's so funny

you should try ESM's team tho if you get your hands on it

idk if he posted it

this is like the most based topping team I've seen

[spice rivet]

"Reflect, whats that?"

[fading stratus]

crit do be good

I do wanna lab a Ice Rider Mirai team tho

that duo seems so good

[spice rivet]

Also, with this Dusk Mane team I feel like it has some big issues. Walking Wake feels eh, I'd replace it with Sash Flutter. Also, I'd give Dusk Mane Tera Dark over Dragon

[fading stratus]

I think that's because it's speed booster

Speed booster just does negative damage

[spice rivet]

The team in general has a Fairy and Fighting problem, I feel Flutter at least would fix one of those

[fading stratus]

Hmm

[spice rivet]

But anyways it 3 AM here, night night

[fading stratus]

Gn yozz

[fading stratus]

What if we added sneasler

Or AV okidogi

Iron moth is also another alternative

Or just volc

[normal cave]

Iron Crown

Steel/Psychic covers those

And beats sash

[normal cave]

[fading stratus]

yeah man play a steel psychic when your main restricted is steel psychic

jokes aside probably shouldnt double up on typing yeah

with iron crown

[normal cave]

Oh this is for dusk mane

Do you just not run stab on that

[fading stratus]

you do but everything else dies to fairy fighting

like ting lu, brute bonnet, koraidon, balking bake

the team basically doesnt have a real fighting resist because even dusk mane takes neutral

[normal cave]

Gholdengo

Ghold also beats amogus

But it eats shit to shadow rider and sun restricteds

[fading stratus]

it also eats shit to a certain red cat

[normal cave]

Okay, came up with some options in the shower

Scream Tail, Flutter, Vilavolt, Lando, Volc, and Iron Moth (ik you mentioned the last two)

Lando also eats Mirai

And red cat

[ashen barn]

If that was base Emerald you took huge risks but gg

[random stream]

its okay I had protect on a bunch of mons

only had to stall out ice beam and pulse then it was free

[fading stratus]

the huge risk was not choosing the goat starter

chicken

[ashen barn]

And I guess the flygon helped a lot with that

[young river]

WOOOOOO

[mighty storm]

blessed by the sun kitty

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-solgaleo-lick-pokemon-sun-and-moon-ash-gif-22515035

[viral ingot]

Yellow tongue

[normal cave]

Lunala and Cosmog have that too

They come from another dimension

[pseudo goblet]

Speaking of, fuck you Wonder Pick

Its from your pack too Bruial

Its always the oddly amazing coincidence with me around

[normal cave]

https://tenor.com/view/crowd-cheering-crowd-hype-cheer-cheer-meme-gif-22195506

[pseudo goblet]

Now if only I was free to hunt Lunala fr

[normal cave]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-evolutions-pokemon-sun-and-moon-lillie-nebby-gif-25514189

[warm sky]

I should remember to transfer Nebby to gen 9

(sorry Lillie you will never see her again)

[normal cave]

Haha big number

[spice rivet]

Btw, should ai get a 0 Speed IV Iron Hands and Ursaluna? I can do an Ursaluna fairly easily, itll just be annoying to bring it up from Emerald lol.

[fading stratus]

you should get min speed yeah

you should get 2 bloodmoons too 1 with min speed and 1 not

timid 236 EVs Bloodmoon outspeeds timid max speed Shadow Rider in tailwind

js

[pseudo goblet]

Flat Poliwag

[fading stratus]

[spice rivet]

Blood Moons going to be such a pain to reset for rip

[golden lance]

TIL cobblemon has its own showdown tier

(list is a bit outdated because vish gold and pex got banned)

Wtf even is this tier

[fading stratus]

Why tf is shinotic there

[spice rivet]

Bro really thinks he's on the team

[inland gyro]

what's different with how cobblemon works?

[golden lance]

Idfk

[inland gyro]

like what is this realm where gliscor is far below galvantula

[golden lance]

Why is galvantula higher than skarm

Like

From what i know

[inland gyro]

btw i like how kilowattrel is just huge

[golden lance]

Its natdex without regional gimmicks

And a list of mons not yet added in the game

Lemme grab it

[inland gyro]

as in not even megas?

[golden lance]

Here

No megas no zmoves no tera no dmax

Also, no legendaries, no ubs, and no paradoxes

Also

No TM, egg, or tutor moves

[inland gyro]

what even is the selection process for mons being here?

what about hidden powers?

[golden lance]

Whatever gets modeled first

[golden lance]

No idea

But only unown gets it by lvl up so

[inland gyro]

if no hidden powers that would explain gliscor sucking ass

oh sorry i mean hidden ability

[golden lance]

Idt those are in?

Could be wrong

[fading stratus]

Well dnite is surely not that high because of inner focus

[inland gyro]

so basically its just what if pokemon was as vanilla as possible?

like its as if you played the most basic playthrough possible

[golden lance]

Ig

Dnite is still 600 bst

Has to count for smth

[inland gyro]

yeah its still dragonite

like dragonite was still good pre boots shitting up multiscale

[golden lance]

https://showdown.cobblemon.com/#

Here is the client

Looks like HAs are in

So are boots

But yea signature moved are huge here

Also wait

I think galv is the only websetter

That would explain it

So does every andy with innate rapid spin

[inland gyro]

certified bruh moment at gliscor being so low

[golden lance]

Uhhhhh

Looks like HAs are on a mon per mon basis

Hilarious

[inland gyro]

ahh

[golden lance]

Ha list ig

[fading stratus]

Why is shiinotic higher than amogus

[golden lance]

Look at this

[normal cave]

No spore

On any of them

[golden lance]

They do

For some reason its just on the usually useless moves page

[golden lance]

Cobblemon ubers goes craaaaaazy

[void herald]

what's cobblemon?

[golden lance]

Pokemon mod for minecraft

[void herald]

ah

[spice rivet]

@pseudo goblet didn't even need to make a sandwich

[pseudo goblet]

The troll lol

[pseudo goblet]

It genuinely feels cooler to be stubborn and find shiny without sandwich

[spice rivet]

I had just started to thin out the Outbreak in preperation of doing the sandwich method lol

[pseudo goblet]

Even better

That way you know you only had 1-2 shiny boost, instead of usual 3-4, thats a bad way to describe sandwich and outbreak boost but yall get it

[pseudo goblet]

HOOO f you wonder pick

[mighty storm]

I also got a tapu koko full art from wonder pick

[pseudo goblet]

https://vxtwitter.com/lewchube/status/1921685416698138864?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

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new animation for Ogerpon from the recent pokemon arcade release is so cute wtf

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Thats not mezastar screens, what arcade is this 🤨

THERES ANOTHER ONE???

Already????

Oh right mezastar was this old, Pokemon Frienda(the new one above) was released last July apparently

[normal cave]

New animation?

I guess

But I could barely spot it past the usual pon stuff

[pseudo goblet]

Gotta wait 5 years from now to see it myself and for other asia country lol

Base on how long it took Mezastar to get here

[fading stratus]

When you go to the next event it'll be there trust

[random stream]

I have no idea how im going to beat wallace @outer eagle

[outer eagle]

as in your mono ground run?

[random stream]

yeah mono ground hc nuz

[outer eagle]

oh the champion version

not sure what you even have in the box

[random stream]

Box is empty it's just a dead nincada (there are no more ground encounters until post-game iirc)

I think I have to do double boom strats with mudshot

Camerupt can blow up on whiscash, Golem can blow up on something else if its been mudshotted
swampert can beat tenta, Flygon for ludi

Swampert / Flygon / Golem / Camerupt / Claydol / Whiscash

oh Claydol can also blow up

[outer eagle]

can you even outspeed enough to blow tho

[random stream]

Claydol yes not sure on the other two unless I mudshot prior

[outer eagle]

aside from whiscash idt you outspeed anything else

[random stream]

Have to keep everyone alive til wallace though

[outer eagle]

apparently whiscash only learnt ddance in later gens

If there’s a ground setup sweeper in gen 3 you can do the old reliable waste pp/lower stats on the first mon then setup but well that needs some research

[random stream]

sadly none

[outer eagle]

Sunny Day is a TM iirc

Gonna have to look into that

[random stream]

cursepert is breeding only w post-game

I was thinking to make whiscash amnesia rest toxic for milo

[fading stratus]

does flygon get d dance I forgot

[outer eagle]

Yeah that’s an option

It doesn’t

If it did it would have given Garchomp some competition back in gen 4/5 but alas

[fading stratus]

the wallace strat is usually just setup on his wishcash because it sucks

but what else could you use here

[outer eagle]

The list of available ground types is surprisingly small for rse

[fading stratus]

claydol gets cosmic power doesnt it

[outer eagle]

Leftovers is post game only right

[fading stratus]

oh is it

cosmic power double team

claydol

and rest idk

[outer eagle]

yeah leftovers is on the cruise ship which is post game

protect toxic is fine but that really likes lefties

apparently quagsire only learnt recover in gen 4

[fading stratus]

I still think double team strat is funnier

idk hold brightpowder

[outer eagle]

quagsire is still pretty decent since it has water absorb

double team is fine but rng do be rng

opp hits the 25% and it's gg

[fading stratus]

sunny day solarbeam spam is probably the way

[outer eagle]

yeah if he can get past the wailord and have a sunny day user that's prolly good

andddd heat rock is gen 4 and above

[fading stratus]

does eq from swampert ohko wailord

probs not right

[random stream]

2shot

[fading stratus]

how does the ai work again

will it always go for sprout

[outer eagle]

i'm surprised it's a 2-shot ngl

[fading stratus]

or rain dance

wailord has piss defenses

[outer eagle]

i expected a 3-shot

[fading stratus]

so makes sense

even if swampert sucks

[random stream]

Wow kidda swampert is the goat

[outer eagle]

well yeah but without optimal evs and ivs that's around what i expect

[random stream]

in gen 3

[fading stratus]

I always choose chicken for the run

idt I've ever done a swampert run

chicken goated

[random stream]

Only like 3 ppl have grass moves so swampert just beats most things

just got the dclaw tm

[fading stratus]

does wailord ever blizzard infront of swampert

[random stream]

if its low enough I think

Ive seen double edge the most actually dont ask why

[fading stratus]

I think the problem with pert lead is that he can probably switch gyara and ddance afterwards

[outer eagle]

if you can bait out and kill Ludicolo there's a chance toxic rest whiscash goes in

[random stream]

Yeah toxic rest whiscash beats a bunch just need to kill ludi

[outer eagle]

toxic rest protect

[random stream]

if I can bait hyper beam from gyara I can also boom on it

[fading stratus]

does wishcash get curse

[outer eagle]

it does iirc

[random stream]

No

pert gets curse but it's post game

breed it with curse quagsire from safari zone extension

[fading stratus]

what ability does ludi have again

[outer eagle]

swift swim i assume

yeah swift swim

wooper and quagsire do be post-game

would have been perfect for wallace

[random stream]

oh apparently phanpy is catchable before postgame

[outer eagle]

idk if donphan has any niche

bloody hell even aqua ring is a gen 4 move

[fading stratus]

does anything you have ohko wailord

swift swim ludi sounds horrifying to face

[outer eagle]

you can prolly protect stall out the rain turns but

[fading stratus]

actually

can you stall wailord

if eq two shots then that means sprout does piss damage

[outer eagle]

that's what i've been theorying around cuz pp stalling wailord is pretty ok

but no good setup sweepers is annoying

[random stream]

i saw this youtuber pp stall wailord and then sweep with sub return cosmic power eq claydol

[outer eagle]

that is funny

does wailord ai swap if all it has is rain dance

what about baton pass

no ground baton passer smh

would have been ez if groudon was allowed

[fading stratus]

sub double team cosmic power claydol ren

the goat

does flygon get a flying move

aerial ace preferably

wow only fly

I was thinking of a strat but its so bad because ludi has double team

[outer eagle]

chesto toxic rest double team eq whiscash

[fading stratus]

Basically my idea was
eq turn 1 with pert
then if they rain dance protect and stall a turn of rain then eq again which makes it 2 turns of rain stalled
then they switch ludi protect stall third turn of rain swap into claydol fourth turn of rain then light screen/protect then light screen which would stall the rain then you boom

but its susceptible to the ludi just double teaming

[outer eagle]

could give pert hail ig to counter rain

[fading stratus]

you go sandstorm

over hail

can you get nidos

they can learn aerial ace actually

and dugtrio

flygon doesnt learn aerial ace in exactly gen 3 lmao

holy sandslash gets it

that is the way

[fading stratus]

now basically the idea is this but if he starts setting double team you boom into sandslash aerial ace

[pseudo goblet]

I came in here and learn Sandslash can do Sonic the Hedgehog air

AND tenor just reminded me a creepy af sonic game, like actually mental breaking and Im not talking Exe

[ashen barn]

Water absorb quag

[mighty storm]

👀

First Incineroar ex

[young river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0UKwtUlMBk

[kind vortex]

https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1922308298021224486

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet) on X

Serebii Update: The Pokémon North America International Championships will distribute a code to get an Incineroar based on Wolfe Glick's Incineroar during the stream

Details @ https://t.co/NWlAdn57aQ

X · May 13, 2025, 3:09 PM

honestly kinda surprised this didn't happen sooner

[warm sky]

@pseudo goblet @fading stratus @normal cave let's goooo

[pseudo goblet]

Its not shiny

There goes my dream of bringing wolfes Inci to events, that I came up just now

[fading stratus]

HOLY INCIN

This is the first time they've distributed a starter

Wild

I think it's also Incineroar the Reliable Partner

[pseudo goblet]

I forgot what mark is that lol

I think its handshake symbol

[fading stratus]

Partner mark

[pseudo goblet]

Pretty sure you get it just by using your mons, meaning every mon can get it(less rare)

I should do hunts more, especially with sandwiches, still no Rare mark shiny under my belt

[slim birch]

Dommy Mommy

[fading stratus]

The joke is that it's wolfey's reliable partner

[pseudo goblet]

Yeah I figure, wasnt he tsundere for inci tho lol

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X · May 13, 2025, 1:37 PM

@normal cave @hasty anchor

[mighty storm]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gq3CnL0W8AAhk7N?format=png&name=small

Thats a really nice jumpluff

[fading stratus]

That jumpluff looks like it'd be the best Mon in the game

[fading stratus]

He kinda hated incin at first then realised incin is the perfect Pokémon for his play style

Him hating incin is just a joke nowadays
He doesn't really hate it

Zane you should watch the EUIC finals as a tribute to wolfey's Incineroar

[pseudo goblet]

Perhaps

But first https://x.com/serebiinet/status/1922487339823038580?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet) on X

Serebii Update: The next Pokémon Masters EX event has been announced

Adds Bede (Sygna Suit) & Iron Valiant into the game. Runs from May 15th 2025

Details @ https://t.co/gDbXkHSvkT

X · May 14, 2025, 3:01 AM

[fading stratus]

Valiant the goat

[normal cave]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[normal cave]

DRAGONS!!!!!!!!

I love the Rotom phone being disgusted by Goodra's goo

[outer eagle]

you'd be disgusted too if someone's dripping acid on you

[normal cave]

Which makes it ✨ relatable ✨

[pseudo goblet]

You saying that when I have at least two slimy round babies that does it, Goomy and

https://tenor.com/view/sui-tondemo-skill-de-isekai-hourou-meshi-slime-isekai-anime-gif-4779815145859830910

I love them

[pseudo goblet]

Speaking of, season 2 coming soon baby~~

[fading stratus]

Japan is cooking holy
there are 3 kyogre in top 4 of japan championship main tournament
even if its bo1 closed sheet that's wild

[outer eagle]

that's a big even if

[fading stratus]

The bigger thing is no miraidon in top 8

[fading stratus]

Japanese events are bo1 closed sheets

So like not really

Well top 8 of Japan nats is also bo3 but after doing double elim bo1 closed sheet

So they really experience actual bo3 only at worlds

[normal cave]

Did they just main lando

[normal cave]

Cheese format

Makes sense, if they tech for Mirai

[fading stratus]

unless you count any mon with terrain any grass mon any ground mon as mirai tech not really

[normal cave]

Rilla is a Mirai tech

[fading stratus]

its more that Ice Rider Kyogre is probably a very strong pair regardless

[normal cave]

Spread moves good

[fading stratus]

this is a sick ass team

[normal cave]

Is that iron jug or hydreigon

[fading stratus]

what do you think

[normal cave]

Hydreigon?

[fading stratus]

no

jugulus

[normal cave]

The plushie is hydreigon

[fading stratus]

jugulis has always been played in ogre teams really
either it or roaring moon

[normal cave]

Hurricane tailwind?

[fading stratus]

snarl tailwind

[normal cave]

Ah

[fading stratus]

we dont really have moves or even team of half the people because they're prepping for japan nats but yeah

I saw way too many ice rider kyogre

[normal cave]

Incin Rilla on every team

[fading stratus]

not really

[normal cave]

Gay bara furry power couple format

[normal cave]

Oh

[fading stratus]

well half the teams only show this

[normal cave]

Double grass team

[fading stratus]

ogre always played double grass

because its piss vs electric moves

[normal cave]

Grasspon over stone/firepon?

[fading stratus]

grasspon's niche is it gets a accurate grass type move that doesnt do recoil

so it can hold sash and work like rockpon

or hold stuff like covert cloak for fake out

[normal cave]

[fading stratus]

grasspon did win brisbane regs a while back

[normal cave]

Grass coverage good

What moveset? Ivy/taunt/follow me/spiky?

I guess that's the only moveset you can run on grasspon

[fading stratus]

it had wood hammer funny enough

I think it was wood hammer knock off follow me taunt

the team apparently had 1 protect in ursaluna

dude's too brave for his own sake

[outer eagle]

well that's a big difference nonetheless

people don't try to base teams on global challenges meta or whatever

[fading stratus]

well the miraidon team that won worlds also came from said meta

[outer eagle]

yeah and it also won the first regionals as a blueprint way b4

[fading stratus]

that wasnt really same team

the team's main gameplan was just bloodmoon besides tera electric discharge miraidon

[outer eagle]

hey miraidon was a non-existant threat b4 that
a team being able to win a reg with a mon outta left field is going to lead to tons of people experimenting and innovating further

just like pure fs 2 formats ago

[fading stratus]

I mean

it was the first tournament of the format

so like

before that would be the format where it wasnt even legal

[outer eagle]

first "in-person" tourney iirc
there were a couple online ones b4 that i think?
and even b4 that there were countless pre-format tier lists and speculation from even the best vgc players on how mediocore miraidon was

[fading stratus]

people also said like shadow rider was bad then it went on to win 4 tournaments that format including EUIC

so like

[outer eagle]

depends on the people

[fading stratus]

every good player said shadow rider was bad too

[outer eagle]

hey that just means both are goats what can i say

[fading stratus]

I think it didnt even top like first 2 events of the format

regardless my point is shouldnt underestimate the teams coming from Japan because they do good at worlds every year with similar teams

[outer eagle]

does this apply to every team that ever came outta japan, or just the ones we remember retroactively?

[fading stratus]

most topping teams do well

the last winning team was hyuma hara and he got top 16 at worlds iirc

second place team got second at worlds

[outer eagle]

in any case worlds is coming soon anyways so let's see if jp maintains the trend

[fading stratus]

that top 8 AV mirai team also came from Japan nats

I think it top 8'd or top 4'd japan nats

[outer eagle]

if we go down the topping lists long enough there'll always be repetition

[fading stratus]

well people will play teams they're most comfortable with in a format where multitudes of restricted are good
I remember back in 2019 that the worlds winning team had like incin EV change from japan nats thats it

and second place was same too iirc

[outer eagle]

surely wolfe will win with perish trap this year

[fading stratus]

wolfey was saying he didnt like korai lunala after playing

idk if he will play the same or change it

[normal cave]

Why not Firepon then

[fading stratus]

no sash

[normal cave]

Wood Hammer Sash synergy

[fading stratus]

you can play cudgel

[normal cave]

Might as well run rockpon and save the sash

[fading stratus]

also rockpon doesnt have defiant either

and neither does it get sash intact after tera

and speed boost ofc

[normal cave]

Ah

[fading stratus]

I myself considered grasspon while building zane's team a while back over rockpon but I thought rock offensive move might be better than grass

[normal cave]

With Leaf Storm gone, maybe grass over rock, but then sash is gone.

[fading stratus]

flutter could hold specs

so it was fine

[normal cave]

Mmmmmm

But I like sashmane

Specs is fine too tho

Gives Zane a strong spread move in Gleam

[fading stratus]

basically it woulda been bonnet over amogus

[normal cave]

Tho for future teams we want rilla anyways

[fading stratus]

and specs flutter over sash flutter

and probably tera fairy

since bonnet already checks CSR

[normal cave]

Man, Zane would have loved tera fairy gleam flutter

[fading stratus]

I just didnt want to build hyperoffense

[normal cave]

But HO is fun and easy

[fading stratus]

also just dies if you make 1 mistake

unless you;re vs 1100s ig

[normal cave]

Ah

[fading stratus]

its just the tradeoff

[outer eagle]

build hyperdefense then

[fading stratus]

I am thinking yeah

I just havent found a good item for Lunala

the idea in my head was AV ice rider and idksth Lunala probably lefties

[outer eagle]

wonder if that articuno team was the closest vgc'll ever have to a stall team topping

[fading stratus]

articuno team was hyperoffense

it was just spam blizzard

[normal cave]

Fissure Ting Lu

[outer eagle]

hey i'm stalling out your pp with roost and evasion boosts

i also happen to have a strong bp move to click

[normal cave]

Nah that cuno ran 4 ice attacks

[fading stratus]

this is basically glorified stall

topped worlds

[normal cave]

Also, Muk Honse kinda stalls

[fading stratus]

another stall team would be this ESM's team

https://pokepast.es/1f2d72d272098ac5

topped last event

its a shame that it didnt get a feature

kinda criminal

[outer eagle]

when the bozo's so fat it causes a fissure when it moves

[fading stratus]

the funniest part of the dozo team is the worry seed rilla

[pseudo goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-impact-miniimpact-pokemon-wiglett-cute-gif-4551536336166438684

guess what I am hunting

[fading stratus]

want me to guess

[outer eagle]

bitches?

[pseudo goblet]

why would I let the answer itself answering the question

[pseudo goblet]

we establish Im bad at socializing

[fading stratus]

its good that you met people

last time

[outer eagle]

even more likely ngl

[pseudo goblet]

idgi

[outer eagle]

time to meet animals instead

[fading stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-catch-girls-pokemon-gif-15837701

take notes zane

[pseudo goblet]

irl, woman throws their punches in the air if I do that lol

[outer eagle]

thinking of starting an oras randolocke but the tate/liza into wallace level caps is dreadful to plan for

[pseudo goblet]

or just simply punch me

[outer eagle]

imagine using basic pokeballs smh

[pseudo goblet]

found the golden worm

[mighty storm]

https://x.com/Pokemon/status/1922668551459971475

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Penny's Eevee Backpack is available now from Pokémon Center 🤎🐾 https://t.co/NmNndse0vi

X · May 14, 2025, 3:01 PM

Avril Lavigne lookalike

[pseudo goblet]

https://x.com/avhycch3x80kcue/status/1922630593650512089?s=46&t=q-1AmjVFLGCcEVWLfARPPw

フキダシコットン『1日1枚‼』 (@avHYCcH3x80KCUE) on X

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X · May 14, 2025, 12:30 PM

[fading stratus]

Snel

[mighty storm]

wonder picked dhelmise ex

[pseudo goblet]

Still want the Shiny red seasweed

Idk why it wouldn’t summon sos