yeah cause theyre bad items 🔥
#League of Legends
wheat notch
meanwhile assassins get to rush stormsurge and bruisers get to rush rift/liandry :^)
this is also why i dont wanna buy horizon bc haste becomes a wasted stat almost
give me ye olde 115ap horizon i begge
dim kindle
viktor gets away with it cuz lichbane os crazy good
wheat notch
yeee
dim kindle
on syndra i just go full oneshot build
so she gets away with it too
on vik i go chapter lich and then I go the gun if snowballing into squishies
maligma into tanky and vs oneshot bs i go tear into lich then seraph instead
dim kindle
To be honest the three chapter items almost feel like they were designed with viktor as an example
dim kindle
wouldnt malignance be better into squish
Could be that malig is just always better yeah but thing is you are casting q a lot without malig proc on the targets
wheat notch
ye i just mean it sounds kinda mediocre in tankier stuff
so if u want gun u do it for both
unless its just healthstacking
dim kindle
i definitely notice malig pr9c doing a lot of aoe damage vs low range higher hp targets
They just get hit by random pools more cuz vik r spawns one for each target
wheat notch
ya
dim kindle
i just like ludens when im having fun and playing the headshot build
cuz it reminds me of viktor before they backloaded his damage
anyway im not sure why riot decided that now after all this time they dont want item procs to scale anymore
wheat notch
because item numbers were gigabroken so they decided that should never happen again
dim kindle
they talked about champs being the focus instead of items or w/e but doesnt feel very different to me
formal quartz
League is different in that a 2 second cc is considered long
Unless you’re a tank I guess
dim kindle
yeah that too
i just meant like in most comparable games tanks are actually just unkillable gods that run everything over for most of the game
wheat notch
but do they do damage
dim kindle
yes
but in those games carries are also much much stronger late game than league
and bruisers weaker
basically league just introduced way less extreme power curves
after the first few seasons
wheat notch
It lets me onetrick I guess
"""lets""" <- person who has lost 12 of her last 17 games
dim kindle
To be fair what the moba genre generally does isnt a good argument anyways
because its not like thats objectively be better
but it helps point out why modern league is so different
and is the source of what lots of ppl tend to be frustrated about
There are parts of old league and old moba core values that I prefer
but like also idt we wanna go back to supports getting to build one ruby crystal if they are lucky
All game long
lol
eternal palm
everyone gets to play at all times (in theory) because
This is why I always like to describe league as the most optimized game out tbh
Everything is so “known” in league, from what your movement is supposed to look like, your rotations, your roles. Even wave management is something you’ll find even at bronze
You could put a current silver player into season 1/season2 worlds and they would be the best player in the world
wheat notch
ok i dont know about that
dim kindle
its exagerated but the idea is right
dim kindle
yea its just not quite that extreme but you arent wrong
i need to die less on this champ man
but holy liandry and horizonn did so much damage
night marsh
wheat notch
im climbing guys
chilly ivy
i love this game
they autofilled me to jungle
the number of times i've jungled in this game can be counted on fingers
apparently picking support as secondary is useless
sullen crystal
isn't support more popular than jungle rn or was that before the new season
chilly ivy
idk, as i've said, i've practically never jungled
this is the first time i get it in ranked
wheat notch
dodge
chilly ivy
i did
wheat notch
but also yes jg and bot are the least popular roles
at least on euw
play some games of like rammus or brand or lillia or trundle jungle
in normals
zac is pretty shrimple too
chilly ivy
that implies i wanna learn to jungle
wheat notch
solar ur not gonna have a choice
chilly ivy
my choice is to dodge
wheat notch
are u gonna dodge when u roll it 3 times in a row
after waiting out 35mins of dodge timers
humble glacier
what part
prisma ravine
The whole thing really
He's an adc but he isn't good at actually autoattacking
But you still build crit because lethality is bad on him
But he also can't really abuse Navoris
wheat notch
yea
i dont know why his E autos dont count as . autos
and hes stil lsomehow got insane damage apparently
prisma ravine
i dont know why his E autos dont count as . autos
That'd be Akshan E on crack
chilly ivy
i see him as a weird ezreal
prisma ravine
i dont know why akshan e autos count as autos
He'd have no good build otherwise
chilly ivy
q is ezreal q with extra spice
w is old ezreal w
e both are mobility moves
r is a long range nuke
prisma ravine
Problem is Ezreals q is longer range and refunds cooldown
Plus rn ezreals passive attackspeed matters a lot
wheat notch
He'd have no good build otherwise
good. fuck akshan
prisma ravine
Since it lets him abuse navoris
Which is unfortunately his only good build rn
But yeah smolder is just
He needs to go navoris, but he isnt good at abusing it since he lacks attackspeed
But attackspeed also sucks on him
prisma ravine
good. fuck akshan
Hater smh
Im still mad they gave him crit scaling instead of lethality scaling
Imagine a Midlande assassin not using lethality
prisma ravine
But you play Ziggs not Brand 
wheat notch
ok but im gonna be extremely angered looking at a scoreboard like this
(we lost this game btw could you have expected that)
chilly ivy
but it's just a kitty!
wheat notch
i love checking his patch history
and it has like no real nerfs
how do they let this champ fucking exist man
i particularly love that edge of night makes self peel completely impossible against him
someone drophacked the lobby zzz
hate this shit
chilly ivy
ngl idt edge of night should exist
wheat notch
yeah it shouldnt
i dont like banshees veil either but its more defensible
but when an akali or lb buys it i want to kill my self
chilly ivy
yeah banshee's and edge are fine as long as assassins don't touch it
what happened to "assassins must have counterplay" when they we're reworking talon and lb?
i know this was hella years ago but still
wheat notch
wheat notch
yeah banshee's and edge are fine as long as assassins don't touch it
if varus buys eon i want to kill myself btw
formal quartz
how do they let this champ fucking exist man
Iirc he has the old asol problem where his winrate goes from bad to ludicrously high the higher you go up the elo
Idk about now though I’m sure he’s way better now
chilly ivy
Love it when a 0/4 yuumi calls me a dog for not coming to pick her up from death while she's blisfully unaware i have 400 hp and there's a 7/1 lucian on my ass
I love league
prisma ravine
what happened to "assassins must have counterplay" when they we're reworking tal...
Most of the changes in that patch got reverted because they suckec
chilly ivy
I'm talking about taking away their silences
chilly ivy
Their whole point was that they killed you while the cc was still up, if they have the bubble, factoring in cast times, I'm basically silenced and just die with no chance to respond
Say as a lux i either have to sit in a specific location with a prepped e, or throw a new one once they jump on me, before i can snare them
That's quite often a long enough window to delete me
prisma ravine
True, on the other hand if one cc was enough to shut assassins down the class would cease to function
chilly ivy
It's not like my cc is targeted
You have a myriad of tools to dodge it
And I'd take that
Instead you have a get out of jail for free card
Like, if a zed mistimes an ult or ults prematurely, i can hold my q, and the whole 3 or so second engagement becomes a mindgame and skillfull, even if zed has the upper hand here
But if he has a bubble i have literally nothing
prisma ravine
Zeds an example where I think its most neccessary, because as long as your q is up he basically can't ult without edge of night
Since you can just time your q to instantly hit him as he gets out of it
chilly ivy
No lmao
Just w to me and auto me to death
What am i gonna do
Explode you with one e?
You make it a chicken game, and you win the chicken game by being ad
prisma ravine
Not be in range of his W since its not terribly long range id argue
chilly ivy
In a teamfight he can absolutely find an angle for it
prisma ravine
Plus lategame you should have someone who can peel for you
chilly ivy
In lategame zed deletes me instantly without ult, there'd nothing to peel
prisma ravine
Only if you're close enough for double shuriken
dim kindle
Think zed is interesting to bring up because they decided yi and katarina get to decide where they appear next to you which makes cc counterplay way harder
Zed doesnt but its probably related to shadow positioning
dim kindle
to be fair im a big fan of that yi rework cuz it actually made him a real champ across all elos instead of a silver stomper
but it does feel too yi sided
to have that tool
sometimes
All in all zed always felt like the healthiest assassin by far too me outside of mage hydra zed crazyness
maybe reworked talon deserves that title
dim kindle
yeah
it was buff and people having to adjust back to regular zed
instead of giga haste zed
wheat notch
i still think hes busted :)
prisma ravine
it was buff and people having to adjust back to regular zed
Funny enough he still goes as much haste as he cna
... hm
I wonder why people dont go shojin on him
dim kindle
finally good hwei game
this champ gets so crazy from ahead
playing from behind is the learning challenge
dim kindle
Funny enough he still goes as much haste as he cna
yeah but you get the haste later now right
im not sure
havent played him
like late game you get to pretty similar haste levels
but just not as much early
thats what i thought
prisma ravine
Maybe
sullen crystal
I forgot smolder came out ngl
least interesting addition to the roster ever I think
dim kindle
yeah he is pretty whatever
like he is decently fun to play
but hes just like
ezreal mf
remade
his e is kinda broken sometimes ig
sullen crystal
I was in an aram with him earlier and only noticed he was there when his ult dropped
like that ball he launches just looks like big ahri q
prisma ravine
least interesting addition to the roster ever I think
Rell exists
Tbh Smolder is just a kit thats at odds with itself
I suspect hell go through a mini-rework of sorts soon enough
sullen crystal
Rell exists <:nyaruhodo:873056991973634078>
Rell at least has a neat concept
and I remember rell exists
sullen crystal
I remembered her before
prisma ravine
Tbh I dont think Smolders kit is inherently bad
They just shot themselves in the foot by making him a marksman
dapper kite
i played so much old rell man
dim kindle
i played her when i got put support
but not very often
think her current version is definitely. better though
night marsh
I’m like 99% sure smolder was designed as a ap carry and they changed it last minute
formal quartz
Corki #2
dapper kite
shit I feel like I played nothing by comparison lol
Same
wheat notch
shit I feel like I played nothing by comparison lol
komi that's a good thing
slim terrace
true
dapper kite
Im just ashamed of my arena stats, which is why im not showing them
night marsh
where are you guys seeing this?
wheat notch
yearin.lol
dim kindle
its over guys caps showed off how good hwei is
eternal palm
Humanoid did this like week 1
He tripled the next highest damage
Iirc humanoid is undefeated on Hwei also
wheat notch
its over guys caps showed off how good hwei is
post runes build
ik humanoid went luden liandry crypt with ionians
wheat notch
I'd love to go AH MS HP but then it becomes impossible to waveclear so I don't do it
eternal palm
relearning damage thresholds without the free armor/mr in lane is legitly tilting me rn
wheat notch
I only feel it as a net positive because now I know to always build Liandry's 2nd unless I see them having a mantle in inventory
because random melees won't break the threshold with 8mr
😀
eternal palm
yeah that's true, it's just annoying for me since I don't grind as much, so every game is basically a learning experience rn
Like I played Akali vs Irelia yesterday
and noticed akali's base armor is fucking 23
eternal palm
I forgot, are the maokai buffs hitting next patch or did they already hit?
wheat notch
i think theyre 14.3
eternal palm
my OTP Maokai friend said the changes bring back sheen Maokai
Also, fuck Lillia btw
actual stupid ass champ
slim terrace
I thought he was strong rn in support
eternal palm
maokai? He's been a tri flex for liek the last year
wheat notch
I'm so used to that champ being a jungler going demonic but jis saplings did 0 dmg bc he went fulltank
dapper kite
wintry the meta pioneer 
wheat notch
i have like
slim terrace
good ol rango
wheat notch
komi did u see my live mald
it was so fucked up
0.03sec oneshot
buy cloth armor respawn
0.23sec oneshot
😭
dapper kite
20 second improvement for each cloth armor
just a few more and you might actually be against something that is reactable
slim terrace
yeah sounds about right
slim terrace
tbh any stealth champ getting fed in solo queue is really annoying to deal with, rengar is just op so I'm sure it happens more often
wheat notch
a lot of guys do that guy
slim terrace
fun not being able to leave base without holding hands with lulu or something 
wheat notch
azzapp for velkoz yozu for Lux (which he dropped for malignance xd)
dapper kite
yeah but i dont play league anymore since they removed the fun gamemode so i dont really keep up
wheat notch
idk ziggs shouldn't be in a state where he needs tank stats anyway so it's not worth 85% of the time
dapper kite
so i didnt know that thats a trend
wheat notch
the 15% is fed rengar fed khazix or karthus in lobby
slim terrace
urf used to be fun 
dapper kite
i was talking about arena
slim terrace
ye ik
dapper kite
karthus is also rly fun
turn up the volume on payphone> jgl for 15 minutes -> win game
true combo
wheat notch
no lie karthus is a midlaner i want to learn but he looks so easily punishable
also the last karthus i matched into i shitstomped so that's not a good look
slim terrace
does anyone still play him mid
wheat notch
ya
dapper kite
yeah i just played him in jgl
wheat notch
a guy i ratiod in ranked
slim terrace
jgl makes way more sense to me in this era
dapper kite
i planned to play like
wheat notch
but an assassin just XDs your 0 self peel ass
dapper kite
annoying chmaps mid if i ever play summoners rift again
sion, garen
just real assholes
dapper kite
i once was autofilled mid and saw my opponent picked zed
ruined that guys day alright
slim terrace
nice
slim terrace
see I could see him surviving in a passive lane
my worry is always the vacuum you create playing a champ like that top
wheat notch
global pressure vro. ez
slim terrace
globally pressure the fed adc who you can't catch cause no cc
wheat notch
there's a lot of wacky mids i wanna get my grubby hands on
wheat notch
akshan (not wacky but giga broken) zilean (giga broken) malphite (giga broken) taliyah (fun) ivern (dont know his build and ls left me on sent)
karthus (needs hands)
tf (needs brain)
u might notice a trend in my champ pool
eternal palm
malphite mid is super fun into all these dirty ad assasins/TF
eternal palm
I’m on a 4 game losing streak weeeee
wheat notch
hey. you could be me
wheat notch
im climbing guys
🤭
dim kindle
post runes build
he went aery ludens horizon raba
pen boots
he probably only went raba cuz mega fed
dim kindle
actually been enjoying jungle a lot as a secondary role on my smurf
except that i play it more than my main role
cuz no one wants to jgl apparently
wheat notch
he probably only went raba cuz mega fed
i prefer humanoids build i think ngl
dim kindle
im pretty much always going cd boots horizon 2nd
and seraphs or ludens first
and most of the time liandry third
and it feels really nice
wheat notch
i def would rather liandry 2nd
item is piss broken
but also I've just been spamming Ziggs so I might be talking out my ass
I'm just imagining like aery flow trans scorch tonic biscuits ah ms hp into luden liandry horizon or smthg
i dont like horizon. maybe cosmic
dim kindle
nah man horizon is must on hwei
like u just gotta try it and u will just notice the difference
cant say much more than that
liandry is really good too of course i always build it third
wheat notch
nah man horizon is must on hwei
I'm just salty the item sucks on my son when it was goated last szn
wheat notch
nah
dim kindle
yeah its just specifically how it interats with hweis kit is just really good
the stats are mediocore
wheat notch
ziggs did liandry 3rd when surge was busted
dim kindle
but tbf i actually really enjoy having some health on him
with his relatively high hp per level hp runes and liandry
u get a lot tankier than usual
it feels pretty nice
wheat notch
ziggs did liandry 3rd when surge was busted
or now when you have to buy void 2nd against mr
wheat notch
u get a lot tankier than usual
I'm buying cosmic and not looking back
instant ms.....
dim kindle
but its like when i have a good hwei game its always like horizon doing 5k damage liandry doing 8k damage by themselves
and its like lol
wheat notch
void does more it just doesn't have a tag 😔
i dont understand why they didnt give sflame a tag
weird asf
dim kindle
also correct if im wrong on this but it looks to me like if e.g. u stick hwei ult on someone and u are in the horizon threshold range away it also increases the liandry tick damage over the duration
because ppl just fucking melt from it
once u have those items together
wheat notch
horizon amplifies everything yes
dim kindle
ye
wheat notch
that's what it do
dim kindle
i thought it increases item damage too i just wasnt 100 percent on it
let me pull some clips from a game
wheat notch
u weren't sure on it bc it wasn't doing that until 13.10 bc it was bugged
except i started singing the items praises since that patch
wheat notch
the tp on the shaco box reminded me of ryze ult and wow i have not seen that champ in so fucking long
legit last time I've seen him in game was mid November in a scrim that's so long ago
nice clips tho
dim kindle
yea they arent like the most mechanically impressive but they showcase horizon well
now its time to start stomping with this champ on main
wheat notch
yea they arent like the most mechanically impressive but they showcase horizon w...
u don't have it 1st clip
dim kindle
tru that one was just funny cuz i just kill her without hitting e
ludens definitely been feeling good on him even though I thought it should suck
eternal palm
I wouldn’t know, I build her as an initiator
What I do know is she feels really good right now in almost all scenarios
dim kindle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162081892758200371/1203733216050286602/2...
noice
I won 3 in a row on my main
ill see if i get more games in later
eternal palm
No way
What’s hard about her
You have counter engage, you have engage, your damage is respectable, you’re one of the few mages that can actually get very tanky
wheat notch
insanely low range
eternal palm
That is indeed the downside
wheat notch
i cannot play at insanely low range
also the liss build im netdecking is malignance into sflame or liandry mandate
Not very tanky
eternal palm
Ah yeah, that’s pure damage. I usually go seraphs, Liandry’s, FH or seraphs roa FH if I can get my roa completed quick enough
formal quartz
riot did say singed had the weirdest trend where the better you are at him the worse you are at other champs and vice versa
wheat notch
he should be deleted from the game
but bc he isnt
i might as well learn how to play him
slim terrace
going from a ziggs main to a singed main 
wheat notch
going from a ziggs main to a singed main <:peepoS:800572164054450188>
nah just expanding my pool
wheat notch
And the type is war criminals
its actually utility champs
slim terrace
careful, if you get too much into the singed life you'll adopt running it down as a strategy
wheat notch
wow is that lamb
eternal palm
Lamb is a briar main now
wheat notch
but when an akali or lb buys it i want to kill my self
boy.
humble glacier
going from a ziggs main to a singed main <:peepoS:800572164054450188>
from one unhinged zaunite to the next
jinx era when @wheat notch
humble glacier
but what if you play the w poke build
wheat notch
that shit sucks i played it years ago
gray sandal
rushes hex still dies to me
Deserved tbh
wheat notch
just had a guy last pick irelia into karma top
these people are hopeless man
(he went like 1/6)
gray sandal
wheat notch
thankfully he had me on the team 💪
slim terrace
funny thing is she was omnipresent at worlds too
I wanted to try her with both shurelya's and radiant virtue but the latter got removed
dim kindle
ye i mean renata is a good champ but she just isnt universal right
like if u pick her into certain comps its pretty auto win
though i suppose renata kalista is pretty good in most cases
kinda similar to millio like he shouldnt be inherently a good blind pick but aphelios millio is pretty broken
slim terrace
I see way too much aphelios millio lucian nami rn in lck
eternal palm
@gray sandal @night marsh y’all want to play? We need 3 more for inhouses
eternal palm
All g
wheat notch
why is urgot just an assassin with 3k health now
eternal palm
sorry, somebody invited somebody else
slim terrace
ok
dim kindle
Im down to play soon
not playing with smolder teemo double jungle
first dodge in ages
wheat notch
think i should dodge briar top
gray sandal
I think you should dodge "Oletankh..."
wheat notch
unfortunately I do not know their identity in champ select
i see them as a mere jungle critter
gray sandal
unfortunately I do not know their identity in champ select
I forgot they did this change lol
humble glacier
people looked up match histories and dodged
oh
i inserted a why in that sentence
wheat notch
that champ is ass
idk man he bought a negatron cloak and deleted me from the game
did 238509273 dmg to me and i do nothing to him because teehee 50mr 900g item
night marsh
idk man he bought a negatron cloak and deleted me from the game
Yeah that’s just the life of AP champs rn
FoN and whatever that mr item that gives that fat ass magic shield are both stupid af rn
chilly ivy
Rookern
wheat notch
Yeah that’s just the life of AP champs rn
except gwen bc she does colgate dmg
i went rookern visage on malph and she still melted me
night marsh
yeah but it's still annoying af in her case
cause the true damage only applies on her q so if you just take short trades til rookern comes back in 12 seconds or her conq stacks fall off, you'll be fine
feel like im close to over a diamond level with this champ but idk how to convert my lane advantage to a win if another lane loses hard
I also get 1 shot and can't close out kills vs people with a singular dash
formal quartz
People need to stop playing smolder in ranked
eternal palm
I’ve been liking smolder tbh
formal quartz
I mean look at their team lol
formal quartz
because he is corki 2
wheat notch
Why are we building Corki 2 with crit <:Hahaa:642861303387521034>
because he has crit scalings
rito wants you to buy crit
prisma ravine
Yeah, which is a problem because he can't use crit items very well
Like Navoris is the only "good" crit modifier on him, except since he barely autos its not actually good
prisma ravine
I think they'll give him an attack speed buff or make his E apply onhits on every X attacks
eternal palm
Yeah, which is a problem because he can't use crit items very well
this is the reason why I'm completely against crit items on him in his current form
just build him as an AD caster with trinity like old corki
his spells are actually surprisingly annoying
especially his slows
night marsh
fucker went 3/7 and is still 3rd highest by a lot
This looks more like he just got to hit something a lot because of@how tanky your team was, moreso than him@being good
prisma ravine
The problem with that is that its just kinda worse Ezreal
night marsh
Every game i@have with him. He does nothing for 20+ mins until@he gets the execute and by then he’s just too far behind
He gets 1 shot. His flying doesn’t actually dodge things and all of his abilities are really slow
Also on the topic of the execute, the threshold for it looks really low but I can understand why
slim terrace
apparently some pros are trying doran's ring start + w first, maybe for early waveclear?
eternal palm
Achoo? That’s his best ability high key
The range on it is long and the slow on it is pretty significant
eternal palm
He gets 1 shot. His flying doesn’t actually dodge things and all of his abilitie...
Also in regards to this, flying over terrain is extremely relevant
eternal palm
Like if achoo and his ultimate were faster they’d be broken
night marsh
What’s his winrate sitting at rn? I’m surprised they haven’t hotfix buffed him yet
eternal palm
45.47
eternal palm
All of them are building essence reaver into navori
I say, try him mid with trinity force, and you might change your mind
Anyways, I played way too much league yesterday, legitly played from 8pm till 5am
slim terrace
Compare it to Zeri e or akshan e
zeri e is just so much fuckin better it's barely a comparison
it can travel 5 miles, this thing can't even clear a thick wall
formal quartz
It’s the aurelion jump but lasts like 1 second
night marsh
yeah it's stupid as hell
formal quartz
I get that it’s really good but that’s a huge step down
night marsh
akshan e triggers on hits
slim terrace
I wish the duration scaled with your passive but idk
this ability seems genuinely terrible
night marsh
spyro doesn't go nearly as far nor does trigger on hits/deal much damage
slim terrace
one thing that's genuinely annoying is that crits actually just fuck over setting up multiple minions to kill with Q sometimes
nop if only
night marsh
it doesn't stack lethal on each hit or pta
which I get would be insanely broken
but like
lol
slim terrace
idk even if it did like 3 hits or something that'd be an improvement
formal quartz
They could just not make it stack lethal some on hits don’t
night marsh
they could make it trigger on hits at a cut percentage of damage
prisma ravine
one thing that's genuinely annoying is that crits actually just fuck over settin...
Lmao I didnt even realise that
night marsh
it has a pretty long cd so it's supposed to be one of those key abilities
prisma ravine
Just moire proof that making him crit was a dumbass decision
night marsh
like fiora riposte or jax counterstrike
slim terrace
I noticed it a ton cause I tried to keep managing minions to get the most out of my q
and killing minions or just getting them to 1 hp
prisma ravine
His kit is just at odds with itself
slim terrace
yeah idk
prisma ravine
Anyway I dont think theyll make his E apply onhits on every attack
But I can see every other attack
Theyre too stubborn to drop the crit angle so theyll try to find a way to make him abuse Navoris
night marsh
I checked through my match history and one of the smoulder mids I had that went somewhat well went ap
liandries lich bane
slim terrace
apparently all abilities but E have ap scalings
prisma ravine
Cute idea but his scalings arent good and his damage is all physical so you cant even use sorcs
slim terrace
oof
prisma ravine
Its like
1.0 on W which is good
1.0 on ult which is alright
And 0.15 on Q which is lmao
slim terrace
jeez that g2 fnatic game was a stomp
eternal palm
am I the only one that really likes experimental hexplate?
night marsh
it's alright, the effect doesn't have any noticeable visuals from what I can see so I can't tell when its in effect
when I tried it on briar, I didn't like it tat much but that's probably because of the champ
formal quartz
Wait does it even trigger on r jump on briar?
dim kindle
either way you lose a lot of the duration so probably not great on her
formal quartz
Yeah
eternal palm
I tried it on jax, and it felt pretty good on him
gray sandal
cause the true damage only applies on her q so if you just take short trades til...
Does Q deal 50% true damage or 75%? I remember the glory days of 100% 
night marsh
50%
but you have to also keep in mind that her passive is appyling on itr too
max hp damage 
formal quartz
Randomly reminded me rework gp barrels had 70% armor pen
dim kindle
that was wild shit ye
wheat notch
Yeah this champ just does nutso dmg
can't even spec into veil because its 85% phys
...when did the 5 minute dodge start taking 15 lp
dim kindle
A while ago
when it was -3 ppl were dodging too much according to riot
i wanna say like 2 seasons ago
I forgot whether they also added a small mmr loss or not
wheat notch
A while ago
no it never did that
i dodged yesterday and it wasnt 15
im just mad bc the system bugged out lmao
i got -15 on 6 min dodge
unless they just
dont bother to update their support page
dim kindle
hm
i guess i was spreading misinformation on the internet
im p sure i lost 15 for my dodge a few days ago
and that was my first dodge in a long time
slim terrace
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1akeoal/porcelain_protector_aurelion_sol_porcelain_graves/ this is the most random assortment of champions I've seen for a skinline in a while
graves and darius??
dim kindle
dunno we get whack fits in every skin release now
slim terrace
I feel like the other part is I can picture where they could make these skins unique, but morg and mf just feel like recolors with some sound effects
making morg binding or mf e/r more detailed would've gone a long way
asol looks crazy good though
wheat notch
man
what the fuck
you can qqw on zilean
but only if you have indicators off
nvm
this is such a fucked up mechanic why can he do this LOL
im ending it all
the GM zilean main has put me in my place
dim kindle
Ig it just holds your 2nd Q input and then "releases" it after you press W
to reset cd
probably has something to do with spell queueing settings
prisma ravine
The queueing system league uses is fucked up
So yeah it probably queues Q up, then when W resets it Q is available to it uses Q
wheat notch
probably has something to do with spell queueing settings
if you mean the 2nd thing then no
It just lets you cast Q on cd
if you use the practice tool cooldown resetter it casts it too
night marsh
I have never played a single zilean game in my life, what does any of this mean
formal quartz
im ending it all
.
chilly ivy
Time to see how bad it is
wheat notch
927 dmg in 27 isnt that bad when i went 2/6
wheat notch
no item tracks minion dmg vro 😭😭
eternal palm
why would ludens track creeps lol
Because big number makes me happy 
wheat notch
I don't want big number to be misleading
eternal palm
Btw this high elo player I follow said the build to try on smolder is shojin > rift > Liandry’s
dapper kite
Youre lucky, this high elo player i follow just reposts genshin and OFF all day
formal quartz
damn send me a link
wheat notch
Hey the OFF fanart was good ok leave me be
dapper kite
True
wheat notch
also I retweeted this sigh https://fixvx.com/Tropical_Tunez/status/1751010753468133651?s=20
wheat notch
damn send me a link
Twitter
wheat notch
Youre lucky, this high elo player i follow just reposts genshin and OFF all day
~~If you want to follow my just out of the womb League-focused account with one Tweet I can give you that one ~~
eternal palm
I, too, see xFSN Saber on my timeline.
Literally do not know who this is, just realized it was on my “for you” tab
wheat notch
He's the guy that popularised like, everything, on Caitlyn
A lot of the combos, the lethality build
eternal palm
I find it hard to trust an FSN fan, forgive me
eternal palm
Sigh
dapper kite
~~If you want to follow my just out of the womb League-focused account with one ...
sure, why not
wheat notch
Wonder if I should take a season off from onetricking Ziggs to see how far I can get
Like just spam meta and whatnot 
formal quartz
I absolutely hate facing zilean
I never ban him cause I only see him like every 100 games but when I do, their bot lane is almost guaranteed to carry the entire game
wheat notch
im ending it all
@chilly ivy no u dont
also luden damage not too bad
ignore that i bottom fragged lmfao
chilly ivy
so the qwq didn't change?
chilly ivy
guess i'm bad with zil
prisma ravine
Im shocked Zilean still hasnt got an ASU
wheat notch
by like 15cs
prisma ravine
My mans model was outdated when it came out
wheat notch
leave the crunchy old man alone
dim kindle
He is groovy
prisma ravine
Ok looks like Smolders builds are solidifying into what can best be described as "wack but I like it"
Its Shoujins into Trinity or Iceborn into Liandrys into Riftmaker (???)
The riftmaker is throwing me for a loop
Also lmao ASol was busted for like 1 day and they already turbo-gutted him
wheat notch
garen a bit unfair i think
prisma ravine
hwei support?
wheat notch
yaeh
prisma ravine
hwack
wheat notch
womp womp
formal quartz
Hwomp Hwomp*
slim terrace
ok there adam
wheat notch
I love seeing the guy who tanked 50k damage also do the most damage on his team
Sion is definitely balanced in his current state
I don't know why he kept teamfighting when if he splitpushed we would just lose because we needed like 3 people just to kill him lol
Luden's damage was 3111 that game, btw @chilly ivy
dim kindle
hwei support?
its actually good since the lower e cd buff
It might honestly be better than mid
eternal palm
Titanic is so good rn tbf
prisma ravine
Did they ungut him?
eternal palm
Ungut him? Man just ate the biggest nerf for how broken he was
slim terrace
ye he means did they undo the nerf
formal quartz
Yeah our garen just gave up facing sion and split push, and when someone not sion tried to match him he just flashed and killed them lmao
wheat notch
please no i like my new artillery mage
night marsh
Also he just adds to much visual gunk to the screen it’s disgusting
dapper kite
That aside, isnt that how everyone plays?
wheat notch
I never used unlocked camera in my first few years of playing
Moving mouse to control camera was too difficult
formal quartz
I never used locked camera cause I came from rts like wc3 lol
sinful frost
Some people use WASD to move the camera
eternal palm
Using locked camera is crazy
I’ve seen one of my friends play on it
It looks so bad
How do you have map awareness with a locked camera
wheat notch
minimap
night marsh
Locked cam is some serial killer shit ngl
Same for people who minimize their hud all the way to non existent shit
Or change their keybinds to like HXTM
dim kindle
Locked cam is some serial killer shit ngl
100%
but it works for them
they just learn to solve the downsides from it
prisma ravine
... why does Ezreals Q apply the cdr from navoris but Fioras Q doesnt?
slim terrace
formal quartz
okay so I wasn't bad for complaining about that game despite being post nerf
prisma ravine
Huh
Also Im mad I couldnt use Fiora to break Navoris to make them axe the item already
formal quartz
fiora isn't as special as ezreal for riot
prisma ravine
Smh just because she is french
prisma ravine
Back to having more chests than keys 🙃
wheat notch
wish i had that problem
slim terrace
yeah I have the opposite problem rn
dapper kite
Back to having more chests than keys 🙃
Same
prisma ravine
Getting keys is just impossible
Meanwhile ARAM has been good for chests lately
Helps that the classes I play the most are turbo-busted in ARAM rn lmao
Well except assassins but shhh
formal quartz
I lost count
slim terrace
Getting keys is just impossible
sounds like you need to be more honorable 😎
wheat notch
toxic ovven...
formal quartz
everytime I see an ap TF
wheat notch
ls ranked sion mid z tier i was right to think so 🔥
chilly ivy
dapper kite
ls ranked sion mid z tier i was right to think so 🔥
true and factual
wheat notch
wheat notch
i mean it's a comp list ziggs has always been good in comp
soloq hes dog shit rn though
dapper kite
ive never actually seen him played in comp i dont think
dapper kite
night marsh
it is done, masters next 
slim terrace
it is done, masters next <:pensivecowboybread:844288784744579172>
grats fam
man, every time I try to learn a new champ I go against someone mastery 7 on their champ and like 2-3 ranks above me
why is riot doing this
also how the heck do you play vs aatrox as poppy
wheat notch
u buy armor
slim terrace
thanks very helpful
wheat notch
i mean idk it doesn't sound like a tough m.u. to me
u get like an executioners or bramble buy tabi fh and dgaf because ur w passive is broken
slim terrace
idk maybe top just isn't for me, dude read me like a book
wheat notch
top can be rough yeh
prisma ravine
That shouldnt be too hard a matchup
Use your W when he is about to do his Q-E thing
Keep your ult for when he uses his ult
slim terrace
apparently I needed to fight him more too, was just thinking passive farming was the way to go but I respected his q too much cause I have zero clue on the cd
slim terrace
Keep your ult for when he uses his ult
I did this much at least lmao
in general I need to relearn how to lane
eternal palm
also how the heck do you play vs aatrox as poppy
Don’t get hit by more than Q1, take very short trades and only when your passive is up, clear waves, let him push you in and call your jungler up
You’re not picking poppy to win lane
slim terrace
no I literally picked her for a chill game and got dumpstered in cs and kills lol
thank god for team fighting
gray sandal
it is done, masters next <:pensivecowboybread:844288784744579172>
Was it worth?
night marsh
night marsh
@formal quartz what's your full username/tagline
formal quartz
uhh how do I check that lmao
formal quartz
when the hell did you become monarch gamer
night marsh
the original name for this account was The Town Whore
I had it for like 2 seasons and then didnt touch the account
when I came back, they told me to switch it
wheat notch
i love toplaners kidnapping my role because they dont want to play against vayne top
maybe dont first pick darius
gray sandal
i feel them though. top lane mu is so swingy compared to other lanes and half the time, you don't get the option to last pick
wheat notch
he literally asked
to first pick
xd
and we were red side. so we did have last pick
slim terrace
is darius that prioritized that he'd want first pick lol
wheat notch
hes a onetrick
prisma ravine
Lmao so turns out part of why Shoujins is so good on Smolder is because they forgot to split it
It gives you the same damage boost on ranged champs as it does on melee
turbid radish
ok so there's no way that i can walk up level 1 into a darius with ghost lethal tempo as gwen with ignite right
prisma ravine
It would be ill advised
night marsh
ok so there's no way that i can walk up level 1 into a darius with ghost lethal ...
darius has one of the strongest level 1s in the game if he fully stacks conquerer+bleed
gwen can't 1v1 him early anymore after they murdered her e lv1
wheat notch
Twitter
formal quartz
yeah tree just engages off cooldown unpunished
prisma ravine
Calling smolder changes are gonna try to force him into crit
night marsh
HOW DID ILLAOI NOT GET NERFED???
Somehow she escapes the nerf bat but urgot gets nerfed as soon as he becomes viable 
eternal palm
If they force him into crit, the character is dead to me
Let the AD caster be a caster
prisma ravine
Its Riot
Theyre stubborn and hate to admit they're wrong
They made him as a "marksman" so they'll try to force him into that
But yeah he should just be an ad caster
eternal palm
The shojin riftmaker build is legitly fun too
prisma ravine
I've yet to play it in SR but it looks fun
prisma ravine
jayce in aram is actually criminal
Fwiw he is kinda really bad in ARAM rn
The Seryldas change fucked him over
sullen crystal
nah there isn't any way
he's been absolutely violating every team I've been on with empowered q
prisma ravine
He does have decent poke, but armour stacking front line just shuts him down hard
He is annoying though if you don't have a good player on frontline
sullen crystal
yeah the frontlines I've had are suspect to say the least
eternal palm
Yeah the sherylda’s change feels so bad for Jayce
It feels good for khazix for what it’s worth
prisma ravine
Cuz the higher the average level of play is, the worse poke gets and the more busted adcs get
sullen crystal
also it annoys me so much when people randomly ping and then don't say what/why they're pinging
ok you're vision pinging me but it literally means nothing lmfao
prisma ravine
It feels good for khazix for what it’s worth
It feels good on assassins who stack lethality
But Jayce buys 2 non lethality items
eternal palm
Yeah Jayce doesn’t build lethality outside eclipse. The armor pen choices for him are actually horrid now
Probably part of the reason we don’t see him anymore
We need a tank item nerf tbh, tanks are too tanky
Or a pen item buff
All the degen shit like Zac, sion, ksante is annoying to deal with
wheat notch
zzzzzzz
slim terrace
does malignance really need a buff rn? dang
prisma ravine
Smolder changes only hit his early game but dont change how you build him which is
... odd?
wheat notch
does malignance really need a buff rn? dang
All the Lost Chapter items SUCK (relative to other items)
so yeah
night marsh
does malignance really need a buff rn? dang
yes, that item is dogshit
I'm so glad riot added back the damage numbers to items
eternal palm
Smolder changes only hit his early game but dont change how you build him which ...
They even buffed his AP ratio on W lmao
prisma ravine
A bit yeah, but it got nerfed early
eternal palm
It was like 20% iirc?
Let me look at it again
Oh the explosion damage got buffed
The initial damage got nerfed
Yeah if anything they made his AD build worse
Because he went from tAD scaling to bAD
And kept the same ratios
prisma ravine
Technically that doesnt affect his ad build
night marsh
why does smolder build naovori btw
prisma ravine
It just makes the base damage worse
night marsh
whenever I play the champ, it feels so clunky
prisma ravine
But it does that for AP too
He doesn't but they want him to build Navoris because its the only crit item that buffs his abilities
IE is useless on him as is Guinsoos
The problem is Navoris isnt really good on him either
eternal palm
Either ways you’re always building shojin first so the tAD to bAD change doesn’t affect his good build
prisma ravine
He doesn't attack enough nor does he have built in cdr
night marsh
always is a strong statement
night marsh
way more than majority of smolder's game have eccense into naovir rn
night marsh
I tried the shojin build and it's whatever
eternal palm
Shojin first is mandatory then you can deviate on 2nd item
prisma ravine
Its not very good
eternal palm
Nobody has done it in pro play yet. And we’ve seen solo q loves to mimic whatever the pros are doing
prisma ravine
It just recommends the wrong items rn because Riot wanted him to be crit
night marsh
pro play would be the first sign
prisma ravine
But in high elo its a lot of shojin
eternal palm
We’ve only had 1 smolder pick in pro iirc and it was the worst league (lcs)
night marsh
I don't hate the shojin build
but I think eccense first is like unquestionable ngl
it does so much for the champ
night marsh
none of shojin's build path is actually that good for smoulder til you complete the item
prisma ravine
Id go trinity before I'd go ER tbh
night marsh
I also fuck with the tank build but I think realistically that one is shit
I think most of the issue you guys have with ER builds is that you have to go naorvori
prisma ravine
I dont really think crit is good on him even setting aside how annoying it is when you're setting up q stacks
night marsh
but the second someone figures out a better 2nd item, it probably takes the spotlight
prisma ravine
And if you're not going crit trinity is stronger tbh
eternal palm
The issue I have with the ER build is that a lot of the ADC items are ass besides like kraken
night marsh
kraken is ass too
prisma ravine
ER locks you into going full ad unlike trinity but there's like
Hardly any good ad items to go for past some point?
He doesn't use lethality well, he doesn't use crit well and Hydras revert made it bad on ad casters again
There's maybe eclipse
night marsh
eclipse is sooooo close to being broken
but I think they're going to do 1 more buff to the item
prisma ravine
It is broken on the right champs