Tecumseh the panther across the sky. | Civilization Official | Page 1

scenic whale Dec 9, 2025, 2:44 AM

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He's my favorite leader, 10d out. I have a personal connections with my tribe and band. Ive read some about him, some details of the battles. Not Shawnee, there were as many Potawatomi and as many Kickapoo as there were Shawnee fighting with Tecumseh.

Alot of people seem to think hes overpowered, so before he gets nerfed, I'd like to make some suggestions of what they could change to based on history.

You could change Tecumseh.

Leave the momentos though.

I like wampum belt, leave Wampum Belt. Belts were/are authority. They mean spiritual truth. Like swearing on the Bible.

You could change warclub. Everyone gets a warclub. The hatchet though, is for war. The pipe, hatchet combo is essentially carrot or stick, lead or silver. Im surprised they didn't pick up on that. Maybe change it to positive war support. It would double the war support bonus. When he was hot he was really hot, it ebbed and flowed.

Give him war support per surzerian, per 2?

Or

Give him invisible units on vegitation unless right beside. Really should be for all Shawnee. The ancestors were master hunters.

Or

Navigation promotion for all generals. Not full armies. The generals have to get their own men. But he calls the war chiefs.

And or

A free general for the first 2 surzerians. He called war chiefs from the kickapoo and potawatomi.

quiet yew Dec 9, 2025, 2:59 AM

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I'd be wary handing out free war support, but I like the idea of getting generals based on suzing IPs, maybe with a discount on levies as well? Personally I dont think Tecumseh is as OP as people say, moreso the combo of Greece/(and now)Tonga can get things out of hand. Certainly, some other leaders are more flexible in their playstyle

scenic whale Dec 9, 2025, 3:10 AM

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I see what your saying just giving it out for free. Like tubs, i don't like that. I was thinking more like he spends influence then the unit bonus is doubled. But the other player could spend influence to half his bonus. Trying to represent the ebb and flow.

I'd rather have some form of the general suggestions. Ive seen more Tecumseh gripping than ive seen any of the other factions that have been nerfed.

quiet yew Dec 9, 2025, 5:27 AM

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I see, that'd make sense to base it off spending influence for war support not sure how it could be balanced while still relating to IPs. I do find it strange there's no bonus to having player/NPC allies and only IPs (though I know less his history), perhaps his ebb and flow could be refrenced with a % to relationship score- easier to build relationships and to remove them.? It is strange Tecumseh is getting more flak when there's many better leaders (Himiko.Wa, Red Xerxes come to mind, release Isabella was nasty).

rocky solstice Dec 10, 2025, 12:37 AM

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isn't war support per suzerain basically like his current ability

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