🛠️buildcrafting

[cinder quiver]

i wish horrible ass-related diseases to everyone who asked for this

shotgun nerfs are always wrong

[robust coral]

Shotgun nerfs were always going to happen because the devs wanted a balanced gun play for short to mid range. The WSTR was just too good in that role when other options were supposed to be inconsideration. Mainly SMG's and pistols.

[astral epoch]

I think I am okay with this, but we'll have to wait and see.

It probably depends on how much hp purple and blue shields will have after taking two hits, and how stack overflow or maybe sucker punch play with it.

[halcyon meadow]

Yo wtf highest dps weapon in the game that has 4 bullets in a double barrel is getting nerfed 😭

[unkempt musk]

well tbf the only real good pistol is the v11, and that one proly needs its own nerf

[robust coral]

The CE side arm probably needs a little buff. Magnum maybe a little bit more rate of fire. V11 while strong doesn't dominate all encounters. Balanced gun play means that all guns are good for certain situations and not just 1 gun doing 90% of the work like the WSTR

[unkempt musk]

fair point

anyways what do we think about the copperhead im gonna run it soon

[outer hull]

Any tips for Triage Solo Kit?

I know he has some specific cores, and synergy with Volt Weapons… are there any specific Volt weapons that are the most powerful / most impactful when buffed by his ability?

[severe yew]

anyone got amazon prime

[acoustic oak]

nobody does, sorry

[cloud shore]

V11 and V66 are always safest bets there. V22 too

[outer hull]

Gotcha, TY

[wild quail]

ScaredDog spotted

[outer hull]

Any recommendations for what weapons to pair with WSTR, and which runner shells make good use of shotgun kit?
(New player, just got WSTR finally, gonna use it this weekend before Tuesday patch)

[gusty shoal]

any weapon

any shell

wstr is universal

if you're not on outpost/cryo, I'd probably suggest something that can shoot to 40+ though. volley or m77 are generally the go-tos

[wintry cape]

Destroyer, unlike Vandal, can fire while air boosting. Drive by tap people all day.

[outer hull]

Yeah, I got some M77s, so I can do that (mostly doing Outpost and Dire Marsh runs)

[cinder quiver]

well not if the community can help it

people will complain about it even when it gets nerfed to do 0 damage

i guarantee it

[gusty shoal]

A 50% damage nerf is kinda insane. I was expecting like, 20-35%

[gusty shoal]

If you’re doing outpost, you can get away with using a Bully too, if you can get range mods.

[hot plume]

How yall feel about the WSTR supposed nerfs?

[cinder quiver]

if i said what i truly felt i'd get banned

[acoustic oak]

As a nerf to the gun, bit of a shame. But as a buff to the other shotguns, it's great

[cinder quiver]

what other shotguns

they never drop

[cinder quiver]

using another shotty would be a temporary fix anyway because once the wstr has been successfully nerfed enough (that is, 0 damage and makes no sound in case it scares someone) the complaints will just start rolling in for the others

[outer hull]

As a new player, it does kinda suck to die to a WSTR, and that dynamic isn’t gonna change after the update, I feel (most new players only have grey / green shields)

I’ve been playing for almost a week, and I just got my first WSTR in Dire Marsh, but I’ve probably died to a WSTR in Perimeter, at least a few times

But that’s neither here nor there, my goal is simply to adapt to the changes, also people’s builds and the weapon usage will adapt to whatever nerfs / buffs occur, so I don’t think it’s the end of the world, and the WSTR will still definitely wreak havoc in specific setups / scenarios

[livid carbon]

if 3 shots w/ stack still kills purple shields the nerf is pointless

otherwise yes good

[tulip patio]

if your letting 3 shots land on you you aint doing enough to get out the way. let them reload and hit you again? 😄

[livid carbon]

stack overflow/carnage cartridge:

[tired hare]

@mild mantle

[severe yew]

you always eatting spaghetti for dinner

[cunning gale]

how does everyone feel about the Last Resort purple mod? overheat damage bonus would be valuable on Vandal/Destroyer

only problem is IDK how much the damage is actually increased, if its not as much as a headshot its basically worthless is my thought process

[balmy fox]

The wstr gets nerfed as soon as I acquire it

Valorant timing

[fluid hare]

nerfed but its still 2 hits and a quick melee on blue shields at least

its fine

[neon cradle]

the misriah age has begun

[outer hull]

Speaking of close range, what non-shotgun weapons are people having a good time using in close range fights? Are SMGs the best weapon type for that, if I’m not bringing a shotgun?

[tall cloak]

I personally like the bully good damage and easy recoil

[astral epoch]

Bully basically dominates (or dominated) any range less than assault rifle's maximum, and even then, mods can push its reach pretty far. I think the copperhead and brrrt are good, but they just don't have the capability for range and overall versatility the bully does. The brrrt especially suffers from a lower mag size and long reload time that can't easily be improved (since it has no mag mod slot).

[unkempt lake]

[latent burrow]

ofc now i get compiler barter for slug wstr when its getting nerfed soon

[cloud shore]

serious question, whose idea was the lockout muzzle brake

because you deserve flowers holy hell that’s a lot of fun

[cinder quiver]

what does it do

[cloud shore]

suppresses shots, super low recoil on ADS and functionally zero recoil on hipfire

[cinder quiver]

ah, halo battle rifle mode

[tawny mist]

can anyone help me figure out how to get another impact H-AR?

[lofty cedar]

Schema, trax barter, find it

[bleak flower]

Anybody know the optimal way to find Magnum MC schemas? Are they more likely to spawn on Perimeter? And what type of containers are they found in most commonly, does anybody know?

[acoustic oak]

You're better off just buying them outright, fairly certain you can get them from one of the factions for 400 credit?

[outer hull]

The person is trying to get a schema which unlocks a limited number of purchases of the gun* in the armory, I believe (I don’t think any of the factions specifically sell it)

[acoustic oak]

I know, I have many schemas I will never use

But I thought maybe Traxus sold it? Let me check

ah, I'm mixing it up with the bully

[outer hull]

Traxus I believe, sells specifically SMG, Assault Rifle, and Precision Rifle stuff(?)

Only Pistol for sale in faction is CE Tactical in CyAcme I think

[acoustic oak]

V11 Punch and the CE Tactical for CyAc

[outer hull]

Yeah, forgot the V11 is a pistol

[acoustic oak]

Traxus has the M77, Hardline, Longshot, V66, Bully and V22

[outer hull]

Yep, SMGs, ARs, and Scouts

[acoustic oak]

Well, in that case. I think the Schemas drop most often in the called in airdrops as well as UESC Commanders?

At least where I've found the most of mine

[outer hull]

Gotcha

[outer hull]

See above comment by @ accel for some suggestions re: Magnum Schema

[acoustic oak]

The Magnum gun itself can spawn in arms lockers too

[olive owl]

does Mymidion (Destroyer DX core) stack on top of your current melee stat?

or is it a large bump to your melee stat, so it still caps out at 100 melee stat

[gusty shoal]

it increases your melee stat, so it caps

[olive owl]

Maaannn

[edgy wyvern]

I find a ton at airfield and there’s always some in hauler

[outer hull]

Not exactly a build crafting question, but what armory weapon would you pair with a V11 Punch, in a budget kit build?

[normal lynx]

I might go with an m77 but i'm not sure

[outer hull]

Yeah… the M77 is good… a tad bit expensive for my needs though… would a Bully work in current circumstances, or an Overrun with Mods?*

[lime roost]

another v11

[outer hull]

True

(Follow Up) How many Volt Batteries would be optimal in a Double Volt Battery Weapon Build?

Cc @lime roost @normal lynx in case either of you have ideas re: this

[lime roost]

1

just let it recharge

itll be gucci

or you can just loot the 8000 that drop on ai

[outer hull]

LOL

[lofty cedar]

Depends how many bots and ppl u tend to fight, i do 2 stacks if i run the volt ar.

Ur also going to find a lot of ammo for it anyways as u kill bots

[outer hull]

Gotcha

(Deleted earlier message, because I realize I misread “batteries” to mean “volt battery”, re: a bug related to Cryo Archive)

[tropic torrent]

I don't suppose anyone have numbers or good testing yet on the buff from Common Enemy?

[solemn salmon]

This kind of depends on the battery charge efficiency of the weapons you take in. If you have a high enough tier ammo backpack or background process chip mod, then you can swap between your weapons without needing to ever reload (I did this with a V66 lookout and a V85, both with background process, and a prestige ammo pack in cryo and never reloaded once)

With none of those, i expect to use a stack of batteries every 3-5 minutes in an average raid

[dusk forge]

https://tenor.com/view/twins-twinsies-man-spiderman-spider-gif-12746886

[normal lynx]

i normally bring 6 just incase

[outer hull]

Do you have any thoughts on the ammo efficiency of the V11?

Also, this might be a stupid Q, but does Background Process on a Volt Weapon, recharge it w/o consuming ammo?

[solemn salmon]

Itʻs got a decent capacity @ base with 4.5% drain, thatʻs about 20 shots. You can win a 1v1 in just under half a mag.

Better than the V22 for PvP

v11 is just GOATed ngl

[outer hull]

Yep, I’m so glad it’s only 50 credits, feels like it’s super accessible for any new player trying to kit themselves out on a budget and still be competitive

[solemn salmon]

Iʻve been doing a lot with the CE tac to find out where itʻs supposed to land when competing with the V11, and the biggest thing going for it is the accuracy. The V11 is a better equalizer, but with decent aim, youʻll get the precision damage easier with the CE Tac

• Also, if you have a Triage running batteries, you can avoid competing for ammunition.

[outer hull]

Yeah, the CE Tact has a higher range in game stats screen, I believe

[dapper jackal]

sure better accuracy
but less damage, and more visual recoil
making the gun feel more clunky, and less impactful

[spice seal]

well, except for when you get the lock-on and you just curve shots around cover to kill someone when they try to pull back to heal -_-

[crisp fox]

I need to try this

[pale briar]

does anyone know how much primed.exe actually fills your prime? is it a percentage? or is it a flat amount of seconds?

[onyx arch]

Im pretty sure its a %, same as the tactical one

like 50%

[heady kite]

I was about to ask if u could tell me how long a ult takes and I’ll compare it to mine but then i remembered then i get my ults off rip 🫩

[unique tangle]

What weapons are best for pvp?

Especially to counter snipers

[gusty shoal]

countering snipers is more of a pathing thing than a gun thing

the only real gun to potentially snipers is your own sniper or a railgun. some precision rifles like the Stryder or Twin Tap can contest them, but I wouldn't generally recommend it

[unique tangle]

What diffrence will pathing make if I will get 360 quick scoped headshot sniped?

[gusty shoal]

it'll ensure you don't get sniped again

[unique tangle]

Ok then I will try to be more thoughtfull of paths i take today when playing

[unique tangle]

I dont think it will make a diffrence though

[gusty shoal]

I mean if you're using a white kit, yeah it probably won't

[unique tangle]

So i am getting slimed because skill based matchmaking got added + carri event got added and snipers cost 5 carri event points

Nice.

Even some blue shield runs i lost because of those sniper rifles

[gusty shoal]

well, yeah. If you're running the shields that make you one-tap to a sniper, you'll probably get one-tapped by a sniper

but for blue and purple runs, you should be able to get tapped, run back into cover, and then get out of the sniper lane

[unique tangle]

2 tap is only 1 second longer

Not enough time to react imo

Especially if FULL SQUAD RUNS THEM

[gusty shoal]

depends on where you find yourself, I think

[unique tangle]

Idk I either play dire marsh and get slimed by snipers or play outpost and get slimed by wstr

Ig I am going back to paramiter 🙏 😭

[gusty shoal]

snipers mainly punish getting caught out in the open, so yeah. If you're sitting in the middle of Anomaly, you'll probably have a bad time

[sharp cypress]

high enough level and you get slimed by purple teams clearing whole lobby to do key room

[unique tangle]

Ur right at this point I just uninstall 🙏 😭

Just kidding

[sharp cypress]

nah just slime other people first

clueless

[unique tangle]

you saying this like it is easy to do

I suck at pushing people

[sharp cypress]

i mean just be a rat, lots of route where people dont use / look

[unique tangle]

😟

[unique tangle]

I dont want to be a rat

[nimble cloud]

grenades:

[outer hull]

Perimeter is 100% much more chill, also I imagine sponsored queues will be better…

For more serious answer re: dealing with snipers, I do think anything that messes with visuals is key, specifically smoke, but maybe also signal jammer, and as for precision rifles that can throw off a sniper’s aim, I honestly don’t have any suggestions for that, because I definitely think repositioning to where you have a fast firing weapon that’s in a closer range, is probably better way to “duel” a sniper, than trying to match them at sniper / precision rifle range

Also I don’t know how useful LMG shields are for snipers, obviously LMGs are not a weapon that allow for great movement, but I have heard they are good at tanking certain weapon types…

[outer hull]

Question Re: Weapon Mods What are good chip mods for weapons like SMGs, ARs, and LMGs?

[left dune]

Aren't those by technicality a personal preference?

I mean idk maybe I'm out of touch but I would just acquire whatever feels right to you 🤷‍♂️

[outer hull]

Yes, but there’s definitely some chip mods that boost base weapon performance, and some chip mods work better for slow firing weapons vs fast, and I was curious if folks had any recommends for high rate of fire weapons

(Like I know slip protocol obviously works, but idk what else to put on my weapon that is not a situational mod)

[cinder quiver]

cloudborn is good if you play assassin a lot or maybe thief + smoke nade spam

torchbug is just plain funny

[outer hull]

What does torchbug do again, that’s the “enemies explode” one, right?

[cinder quiver]

yep, killed enemies explode

good for thinning out uesc and sometimes getting a second runner kill

[outer hull]

Also, I assume Bits Per Second is also good on high rate of fire* weapons if you can get headshots with the gun(?)

[cinder quiver]

yeah it's basically rapid hit from destiny

i bet ornithologist + a suppressor barrel could be useful in perimeter

slip protocol is nice for smgs

[outer hull]

I definitely need to find a clip that shows what ornithologist sounds like, I assume it’s primarily a distracting audio cue, but idk how distracting

[steel osprey]

do you know why they patched low profile and enzyme suppressant for vandal?

[cinder quiver]

i'm not 100% sure but i think it's the same sound as when you scare the birds you find in places

[outer hull]

Oh I should probably read patch notes

[steel osprey]

i tried it without reading patch notes and noticed it would only last a few seconds. making the core almost useless now

[outer hull]

Wait, is new update already out?

[steel osprey]

with recon buffs?

yea

[outer hull]

Oh last week’s

[cinder quiver]

buffed recon is awesome

[outer hull]

Sorry I assumed this was referring to today… I don’t play vandal so I honestly don’t know

[steel osprey]

it really is a huge worry on dire marsh if your against and huge buff if not

[cinder quiver]

assassins hiding at bio-research are STARVING

[steel osprey]

i will be hiding at ai uplink with the gold key i got yesterday

[cinder quiver]

cool see you there

[zealous kestrel]

No not yet... it usually releases 8 am Tuesdays but haven't heard anything about it today

[outer hull]

Yeah, today’s update (plus maintenance end) should be out in a few hours

[steel osprey]

ill probably bring a bully and wtsr with claymores so i cant get destroyed by random assassins. maybe a m77 with twintap?

whats the new update about

[outer hull]

Reducing WSTRs potential against higher tier shields

Basically means you should probably put a mod on to give it 3 shots

[steel osprey]

what mods are best for that?

[outer hull]

Sorry the opposite, higher tier shields

[outer hull]

Overflow I think

Folks will probably be posting recommendations here, just know if you face blue shields or above, two WSTR shots alone won’t take them out, so plan accordingly

[steel osprey]

why they rook nerfs tho. its hard enough for rook city (outpost) to face 3 stack of ruthless purples while pretending to team with other rooks only to shotgun them to get more stuff to kill other squads or rooks.

[paper falcon]

I have a crazy build I came up with but I can’t post pics in this channel 😔

It’s an empty inventory with 8 stacks of grenades

[tropic phoenix]

doesn’t sound very empty to me

[cinder quiver]

related: the max amount of placed claymores is 14

once you place the 15th, the 1st explodes

[steel osprey]

Best loadout for ai uplink key?

[left kraken]

So… people are saying WSTR is useless now?

[cinder quiver]

yep

50% damage nerf, get that shit outta here

[left kraken]

Wouldn’t two shots and a melee still down blue? Maybe even purple with sucker punch?

[cinder quiver]

no close combat options for you

[left kraken]

How do we know it’s 50%?

[mortal panther]

Pretty sure it would with a blue shield and is what the WSTR should’ve been the whole time

I expect the bully to become more meta now than it was previously

[cinder quiver]

you know what, that's fair i cant find the numbers now

[cinder quiver]

dont worry that's probably next on the chopping block

[left kraken]

I feel like this is a buff to bully. I love WSTR but it was broken. Bully is my favorite gun.

[cinder quiver]

right after grenades. the moment wstr nerf was announced the complaints about grenades started rolling in

[left kraken]

They already nerfed it. I feel like it’s in a good spot.

[mortal panther]

Nah nah this is a good nerf the gun was a one tap it made no sense in the game. The bully is good and will probably become top 3 in close range meta behind the other shotguns

[cinder quiver]

man the other 2 shottys dont exist

they're fictional

[mortal panther]

They need to nerf grenades would make PvP actually enjoyable and not a who has the most grenades fest

[cinder quiver]

it's like having centaurs in a top 10 coolest animals list

[cinder quiver]

THERE IT IS

[left kraken]

Could limit bag space for nades. Like four max.

[mortal panther]

I’ve seen more Misriahs as of late it’s the v85 that’s rare asf, it’s technically gold rarity

Bro if you liked the game for grenades and the WSTR then you’re just a fan of easy PvP

[cinder quiver]

naw i dont like playing assassin

[mortal panther]

That’s real ig

[cinder quiver]

also i like EVERY game for grenades and double barrelled shottys

it's by far and away the best

now, sniper rifles? no video game sniper rifle has ever been interesting

[mortal panther]

Idk I prefer the fair PvP I want a chance to fight people not get 1 tapped before I can get a single shot off

[left kraken]

They could have made WSTR just stupid rare instead of nerfing it. Take way from Rook. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[mortal panther]

That’s fair but we have the misriah and v85 in that spot now so it’s damn near the same

[left kraken]

Finding a shotgun or sniper should feel like winning the lottery. They should excel in their damage. WSTR is going to be left in the map now. They ruined something with great potential. I agree it was too strong…. But was that the point? It just needs to be VERY rare.

[cinder quiver]

i mean pushing someone who has a shotgun SHOULD be a bad idea. now you just facetank it and bore them to death with your assault rifle

[mortal panther]

Yea and that’s why finding a misriah should’ve felt better than it did and it literally did less damage than the wstr pre nerf

[cinder quiver]

ok so buff misriah, good idea

we agree on that point

[mortal panther]

Yea but no double tap and a melee kills blue shield and like bro said throw sucker punch on it and you’ll be set, also destroyer buffed melee after dash there’s plenty of ways to make it viable. Most times you don’t have to push to get 1 tapped by the shotgun mfs are everywhere with it on cryo and outpost

Also plenty of players run 3 or even 4 shots in their wstr

[cinder quiver]

so that particular mod is the problem

why should the gun be nerfed

it should be viable in its standard configuration, even the overrun can do that

[left kraken]

The funny thing is now knives are going to be killing many shotguns. They reversed their knife nerf.

[cinder quiver]

knife nerf didnt sit right with me either

[left kraken]

Yea… I still can kill purple with a free kit if I start swinging first close. But now shotguns are going to be wrecked by knives.

[broken moth]

does slick mag do anything on a gold misriah? On the stats it shows no change

[tropic torrent]

It does not, fire rate's capped at 150

[broken moth]

ah ok, thanks

[outer hull]

What (non-shotgun) weapon would you bring as a backup in a m77 kit?

[cinder quiver]

v11 punch, which is probably next on the chopping block

[restive jasper]

what are your guys budget build for normal runs?

[gusty shoal]

define budget

[cinder quiver]

punch, green shield, green backpack, grab some health, shields and batteries

smokes too if i'm doing a lockbox key run

if there's any free implants i throw those on too

oh yeah if it's a lockbox key run i throw on a suppressor

and any thief cores if i got them

[nimble pebble]

Can someone tell me what is the point of something like Sucker Punch if the melee dmg breakpoint is at 80-something?

Or in general explain what is the point of the melee nerf when all it takes is 1 implant and maybe 1 Arachne upgrade to reach the breakpoint? Their reasoning was to have to build towards melee dmg, but I don't see how that is true at all if you can just slap on Graceful Landings or Knife Fight and your melee dmg is already capped?

Am I missing something here?

[cinder quiver]

considering the wstr nerf we got today it's real hard to figure out what the logic is, at least to me

i guess medium range weapons are going to eat well forever

hopefully snipers catch some stray nerfs as well

those bastards

[willow prawn]

the devs want to make it as hard as possible on new, casual, and low level players, they're stripping any tools that can possibly be effective against a purple+ squads

[cinder quiver]

yep

[mint notch]

Genuinely the worst nerf ever

[cinder quiver]

if you're a shotgun hater you're no friend of mine

close combat fighting 4 ever. no. 5 ever.

possibly even 6 ever.

but only bongo could make it 7 ever 😔

are they brave enough? we'll have to find out

[outer hull]

Similar to what others have said, I try to take the following with me on a Budget Run

• V11 Punch (main weapon, suppressor optional)
• Overrun (optional, use when unable to reload V11 mid-fight, to be replaced by other stuff during run)
• Basic Pack
• Green Health Consumables (I go as low as 1 Patch Kit and 1 Shield Charge, depending on how much of a budget I want to be on)
• 1 Mechanics Kit (optional)
• Smoke Grenade (optional)
• 1 Ammo Stack for each weapon
• Cheapest Green Shields Implant You Have

The curse of this, is if you’re not bartering, all of these things basically equal a 2.5k sponsored kit, so if you see a good sponsored kit in the shop, and you have the extra cash, get it

You can of course forego the Overrun, or replace it with whatever you have in your vault, but I do think, if you don’t want to lose stuff, Free Kits are a better deal, and if you want a backpack, either a 2.5k kit that comes with one, or Rook run is better (this all is contextual to what you’re trying to do in the game, of course)

Also, for “Budget” Kits, I think a smart thing to do, is to limit yourself to weapons and other things you have access to purchasing in the Armory (especially if you’re a new player) that way you don’t lose something you can’t reacquire later

[gleaming void]

2 Punches, green shield and bag, heals and that's it. Triage so you can get away with skimping on heals (2 each if I'm feeling really stingy) + using Battery Overcharge (which makes the Punch a BEAST btw)

[dry flame]

uhh shotgun 50/50s feel bad and are stale and there was essentially no point in risking a loadout by not having a wstr when encountering someone else with one just means you’re probably going to die? and there’s still options to build into extra shots like stack overflow/opportunist/rorschach test/carnage cartridge so now there’s some opportunity cost in having the cqc win button

also for ppl who dont use shotguns frequently or dont like to use them it is the most demoralizing thing to deal with

[dry flame]

also the fact they have multiple times already.. game balance cant come from a place of favoritism or spite for other playstyles and i wish more people were willing to recognize that

[dapper idol]

There is no build crafting this time.
On outpost a red key card can be acquired from the end of a long platform.
Use vandal to climb on top of the building next to that platform and rat on top of it until somebody goes to collect the card. Then overcharge your disrupt cannon and send them to the void

[dapper idol]

Not really, WSTR already wasn't competing with medium range weapons. It was competing with other close range weapons.

[sharp cypress]

almost no one takes those except for rooks from what ive seen

[dapper idol]

You'd be surprised, I've had great success with this the last few games

[mint wharf]

Steady barrel max's out my recoil reduction on the stat screen. If i use a chip that increases stability (recoil) like bits per second, will recoil still get further reduced?

[dapper idol]

Maybe? Idk this feels like something that needs testing.
Like if you're already at 0 recoil there's no point

[mint wharf]

oh by max I mean it doesnt go any lower even if I add an attachment that's reduces it (so in this case, the lowest it can go on the stat screen is 28% with the barrel)

[dapper idol]

What gun

[mint wharf]

twintap (max is -28% recoil, making the recoil a total of 40% in the stat screen)

[dapper idol]

Oh, twintap absolutely does benefit from bits per second after you max out the recoil

[mint wharf]

oh neat, so the same logic applies to basically any gun

[left kraken]

Does anyone know if a three shot WSTR downs Blue or Purple?

Or how sucker punch does?

[fluid basin]

I would assume it definitely downs a blue as the difference in health from green to blue is negligible

[granite magnet]

wish we could send images in here to actually show builds

[outer hull]

(I hope it’s ok to post links here) this is a link to a Twitter post of a content creator testing out various WSTR combinations against purple shields — https://fixvx.com/falloutplays/status/2046975444805722225

[leaden bough]

please tell me this channel doesnt have a slowmode

omg it doesnt

[craggy panther]

👋

[leaden bough]

bro that channel is hell

[rare spear]

Real

[leaden bough]

yeah a bunch of sites have flash draw chip and motionsense chip listed

but maybe its from some alpha idk

the motionsense description isnt even formatted like the others

[rare spear]

The sites are inaccurate.

[leaden bough]

like how do u enhance target awareness

[craggy panther]

Hypocritic Oath

Reboot+ cooldown reduction Core @ 10 Prime Recovery

• base: 191
• 1x: 152
• 2x: 114

Ounce of Prevention

Your med-drone increases Hardware and Firewall of crew members while attached.

Actual in-game effects:

Adds +30 to both stats
Does not stack

[leaden bough]

does it make ur eyeballs open wider

when u play the game

im doing mods rn

ill get to cores later

[craggy panther]

a lot of the sites are manually inputting data, so I guess a bunch of it will be wrong

[leaden bough]

yeah its awful

theres so little info about this game online

[craggy panther]

I don't think we're getting an API unfortunately..

[leaden bough]

even the youtube videos are all clickbait

[rare spear]

None of them are complete either.

[leaden bough]

that dont show mods or anything

so i have to get everything myself

legitimately awful

thank god this game isnt as complex as d2

if it was i dont think id make a spreadsheet

[craggy panther]

yeah and testing is so much harder to test than D2

[rare spear]

Again, how do you know the percentage buffs are standardized across weapons?

[leaden bough]

no clue

ive done zero testing so far

i just started making this sheet

stryder will be my best friend

[cloud shore]

How long is gold Overrun burst, and is it good with it?

[craggy panther]

lmao your vault will be all Stryders

[cloud shore]

(by how does it work, what is the burst length)

[leaden bough]

maybe ill make an alt just for testing

and call it

idk something pacifist

UESC Researcher

[craggy panther]

Might be best to keep it low seasonal level to give yourself and easier time finding lobbies where you're not getting smoked

[leaden bough]

W larp

bro my lobbies recently have been superhell

even after the supposed mm fix

[craggy panther]

Hard game is hard

[leaden bough]

queue into outpost and the 3 other teams are all kitted

[craggy panther]

yeah it's a tough game

[leaden bough]

every single time

it wasnt like this a week or two ago

we went from stomping every lobby to fighting for our lives every game

[craggy panther]

pretty much the same here

[leaden bough]

recon ult near flight control and see 5 gold shields pop up

like ok bro my bad

[craggy panther]

haha

[leaden bough]

😭

[craggy panther]

mid season, hard game pushes out the players

if you want reasonable Outpost lobbies you gotta queue when cryo is active

[leaden bough]

mhmm

[rare spear]

I think people gave up on Ranked.

[leaden bough]

yeahhh ive heard anything near diamond is like

wallhack williams running around

[craggy panther]

aye

[rare spear]

Cryo lobbies are weaker now too

[leaden bough]

bro it might be time for me to go in on rook and just find as many attachments as i can to screenshot them lmfao

[craggy panther]

95% of my time in this game is as Rook, ngl

[leaden bough]

i hate how theres no collections either

like d2

like if i find something i should be able to see it somewhere

[craggy panther]

for sure

[rare spear]

From what I've noticed there's only like 3 mods for a weapon type anyway, outside of certain mods that only fit in 1 or 2 weapons like the CE Tactical's mag and the mods that only go on Lookout/Channel.

[leaden bough]

yeah most mod slots have 4 mods that can go in

sometimes 3 i think

[craggy panther]

There's fuckloads of chips tho

or it feels like there's fuckloads idk

[leaden bough]

therse 40 yeah

if flash draw and motionsense dont exist

[cloud shore]

I just did a load of Outpost today, it's fine tbh

[leaden bough]

which i dont think they do

[craggy panther]

I've never seen them

[cloud shore]

Darsh will forever be the hell map when Cryo's not running

[leaden bough]

dire marsh is pretty rough yeah

[craggy panther]

I just pretend Dire Marsh doesn't exist

[leaden bough]

outpost was my comfort map

[craggy panther]

Such a good map

[leaden bough]

its very scary now tho . . .

[craggy panther]

legitimately the Platonic Ideal of a Marathon map

[leaden bough]

do u guys know how many railgun generators there are

i only have turbo generator writetn down

nvm warzone stats site got me

😭

[craggy panther]

turbo is the only one coming to mind

but I delete most railgun shit 🙁

[leaden bough]

apparently theres tuned and null-grav

idk if theres a 4th

[craggy panther]

hmm, I'll keep a look out

null-grav chamber for the other volt weapons tho?

@leaden bough confirmed, Null-Grav Generator does exist

do you need a screenshot or anything

[leaden bough]

not for now

just getting names atm

[craggy panther]

My Arachne Ares RG has one on it

[leaden bough]

bro the buildcrafting channel dont got image perms 😭

[craggy panther]

I'm not sure anything outside #📽️run-clips has upload perms

@leaden bough Stabilizing Generator also exists

[leaden bough]

W

[craggy panther]

@leaden bough Tuned Generator also exists 🙂

So it's Null-Grav, Stabilizing and Tuned generators for Railguns

[leaden bough]

yep got that one

the thermal for pistols is called the Duelist Lens right

the one that looks like a DSLR

[craggy panther]

In a run right now I can check in a few mins

[rare spear]

Yes.

[leaden bough]

okay heres the only stuff i think im missing for weapon mods

LMG optic (accusight, optic 1.4x, clear something??, thermal???)
pistol mag (BFM, anything else??)
railgun mag (balanced payload, tapered heatsink, mega drive, ???)
LMG shield (balanced, control, duelist, ???)
shotgun mag for misriah (extra, slick, anything else??)
sniper optic (accusight, neuro optic, thermal, ???)
shotgun underbarrel (long-range, pinpoint, ???, ???)
volt cell (air-cooled chamber, ???)

im under the assumption that most things have 4 options but some might have less so idk

like im pretty sure the ce tactical sidearm doesnt have more than like 2 mag options

and the misriah definitely doesnt have more than 3

everything else i have 4 of

[craggy panther]

volt array has hi-cap chamber, null-grav chamber

[leaden bough]

ok cool got rid of that one

[craggy panther]

Ion dampener: stabilizing barrel, suppression, hip-shot

LMGs do have a thermal, I've had one but I deleted it and forgot what it was called.

I think those shields are the only shields you can get on LMGs

[leaden bough]

so is accupoint barrel not a thing

for ion damp

some site mentioned it but i cant find a trace of it anywhere else

[craggy panther]

I don't want to say no, but I don't have one

[leaden bough]

i know accu point dampener is a thing

well that would make 5

idk its weird bc ion dampener and volt dampener are separate

[craggy panther]

yeah

[granite magnet]

I have one of the lmg thermals. Unfortunately not at home rn to show the name

[leaden bough]

Hip-Shot Barrel
Quickfire Barrel
Stabilizing Barrel
Suppression Barrel

so these are the 4 for ion damp?

ur sure its ion damp not volt damp right

[craggy panther]

checking again

[leaden bough]

ok ty

bro its crazy how you search some of these up online and there are 0 results

[rare spear]

LMG: Cloudfeather Belt, Foundation Shield, Accusight is the thermal,
CE Tactical has 1 more mag that gives it both reload speed and magazine size.

[granite magnet]

Honestly surprised there isnt a volt lmg, thinking about it now

[leaden bough]

yeah same

feels perfect for triage

[craggy panther]

Rocksteady Barrel
Stabilizing Barrel
Accu-Point Barrel
Quickfire

Sorry those are the Ion Dampeners I have, Suppression was volt

[leaden bough]

ok ty

[rare spear]

Clear-Eyed Lens is the LMG optic you're referring to.

Misriah has another mag. Fastload and Compartmental I think.

Shotgun has Ironhold Choke underbarrel.

[leaden bough]

wait so misriah has 4 possible mags??

slick extra fastload and compartmental?

thats kinda crazy lol

[granite magnet]

Imagine a volt lmg had like a brief charge up before releasing demolition rounds in terms of damage but at like bully fire rate, if not slightly slower

[leaden bough]

4 mods that can only go on a single weapon

[craggy panther]

for a weapon that is already kinda rare 🙂

[granite magnet]

The ce tactical has a few unique mags as well but thats a common pistol

[leaden bough]

wait fr?

checking right this instant

[craggy panther]

Get your bitcoin wallet ready!

[granite magnet]

Lmao

[leaden bough]

guys holy moly! she really let that super soaker loose!

[granite magnet]

Scam bot im guessing?

[leaden bough]

yeah prob got his account hacked

[granite magnet]

Poor guy

Anyway

Volt lmg, lets discuss

[leaden bough]

LMG optic (accusight, optic 1.4x, clear-eyed, 4th option?)
pistol mag (BFM, anything else??)
railgun mag (balanced payload, tapered heatsink, mega drive, 4th option?)
sniper optic (accusight, neuro optic, thermal, 4th option?)
shotgun underbarrel (long-range, pinpoint, ironhold, 4th option?)
volt cell (air-cooled chamber, ???)

ok this is all im missing now

im gonna go on a quest to find ce tactical sidearm mags

[rare spear]

Owait there's 3 CE Tactical mags

[granite magnet]

Yeah

[rare spear]

You're missing Steady Mag and another one.

[granite magnet]

Also, im late to the convo, is bro here on a quest to have one copy of every gun attachment?

[leaden bough]

u reckon theres 3? or 4

[leaden bough]

nah im making marathon spreadsheet

[granite magnet]

Ah

[rare spear]

3. BFM, Steady Mag, and the reload speed mag.

[leaden bough]

tired of dogshit website

[granite magnet]

Lmao, I just realized

Does bfm stand for big fucking magazine?

[leaden bough]

yep

[granite magnet]

Thats amazing

[leaden bough]

much like the BFB and BFG before it

[rare spear]

For Volt Cell, you're missing Tapered Heat Sink.

[leaden bough]

i have that under railgun mag

wait

[rare spear]

It goes on Zeus, Circuit and Channel. Doesn't go on Ares.

[leaden bough]

bro

i hate these sites with a burning passion

mobalytics just tried to tell me ares uses volt cells

[leaden bough]

do u know of any railgun mags besides balanced payload and mega drive

ares is the only weapon that takes railgun mags right

[rare spear]

Hi-Velocity

[granite magnet]

When you get this spread sheet set up, please send me a copy

Would love to see it all laid out in a way that makes sense

[rare spear]

Owait that's payload yeah

I think the other CE Tactical mag is called Hi-Speed Mag?

[granite magnet]

Yeah, that sounds right

[leaden bough]

yeah itll be public

[granite magnet]

Its crazy how many ways there are to access invisibility outside of assassin

[leaden bough]

yeah see ya, the slide invis, spectre shield

[granite magnet]

There's the one chest perk that makes you invisible when you get a head shot. There's the gold back pack, the gold shield

Doesn't the gold ce pistol mod make you go invisible when you reload after a kill?

[gusty shoal]

no. That's just a chip. See Ya

[granite magnet]

Ah

Is there a gold ce mod?

[gusty shoal]

wait actually. See Ya is reload on an empty mag

[granite magnet]

Ah, ok

Still

Free invis on mag dump

Ik assassin can still make the best use of all these invisibility options, but still

Also, does maxing melee damage from implants and faction upgrades make the melee damage cores and implant traits worthless?

Or does it stack on top of the stat independently?

Like, lets say I got max melee stat

And then Im using the myrmadon core for destroyer that gives me more melee damage after using thrusters

Does that still stack and increase the damage of my next knife/punch?

[craggy panther]

You need to check whether things stack. I've found that some things DO stack and some things DO NOT

If something gives a straight +melee stat, there are massively diminishing returns, if it buffs melee damage then it's worth checking whether it's even stacking at all.

@granite magnet there are several breakpoints to hit with just base melee stats, there is basically no point going over I believe 95 now with the nerfs to knives.

I don't think there's a reliable way to re-enable the two heavy down any more at all, even with stacking high stat and melee damage buffs

also have to consider the TTK, almost all combos with 95 stat are essentially the same TTK. 1.44s

[granite magnet]

Gotcha

So, melee isnt something super worth building into outside of like as a finisher

At least post nerfs

[tropic torrent]

There is, and it does make you invisible briefly on any elim

[cloud shore]

Reposting from earlier: How long is gold Overrun burst, and is it good with it?

[granite magnet]

Gotcha

Is it just on kill? Or on kill reload?

[tropic torrent]

Kill

[granite magnet]

Gotcha

Hmm

[tropic torrent]

No internal CD as far as I could tell, either, but I only used it as a throwaway weapon on troll loadouts

Also, on the note of melee, it's not clear (at least that I've seen oe experienced) whether high-stat melee has the same level of falloff against bots as players

Going for very high melee might be an effective way to solo wardens, since melee was already really good for that with smokes

[granite magnet]

Gotcha

Im just wondering if like the implant and core buffs just give flat melee stat or like a melee damage multiplier

Like, crouching panther or the myrmadon core for destroyer

[tropic torrent]

They mostly just buff the melee stat

[granite magnet]

Gotcha

So if you max it out in other ways then those traits are worthless

[tropic torrent]

Some of the "move faster" cores/implants do the same -- Assassin's Prowl Kit gives a giant agility bonuses when sneaking, for example

Maybe? I don't think I've seen rigorous testing on whether they still have a stacking effect

[granite magnet]

I imagine to make them worth it they have to have some kind of overcharging benefit

[tropic torrent]

and it all depends on whether Bungie implemented some very nasty decay function for >100 on melee damage for what you're looking ay

Ehh

Game seems balanced around 100 being "really f*cking high" for any given stat

[granite magnet]

Fair

Also, does going above 100 actually do anything?

Im assuming not, right?

Like, above 100 heat capacity doesnt keep giving you a larger and larger bar

[granite magnet]

Anyone know if crouching while invisible from the sneak pack makes you bassically not render on anyone's screen like it does when crouched with assassin proper?

[outer hull]

This requires people to do testing… similar testing has been done in Destiny 2 (which has similar systems) and there, sometimes a buff would increase / decrease something whose associated stat was already maxed out, but that might vary depending on the behind the scenes implementation of a mechanic (whether the mechanic just gives bonus stat points, or if it acts as a multiplier / modifier on the behavior, and not an additive to the stat)

[granite magnet]

Fair

[granite magnet]

Found a clip of this on yt just now. Yes it does

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZEh955Vt4fA?si=wdLlkmKApgQEZfbF

[outer hull]

Also, something that was pretty common in Destiny 2 balancing, was when players would discover an insanely good series of multipliers to something (like melee damage, for example) Bungie devs would try to limit how high one can go by stacking on multiple interactions between mechanics

But this game is different so idk how many “you have two to three things active helping buff this thing” exist

[granite magnet]

OK, so, it's bothered me there isnt a volt (energy ammo) LMG so I came up with an idea for one.

When you pull the trigger there is a 10th of a second delay before is starts shooting, but when it gets going, its a constant beam like the Sentinel beam from halo. Something like 200 ammo per volt battery when using a max ammo belt/battery thingy. Not sure on the damage numbers but ideally it has like a .6 to .7 second ttk even with the .1 second trigger delay.

Maybe the gold could be a sight that removes your ability to truly ads except a slight zoom and turning on the shield, and the major benefit is as long as the beam is connecting to an enemy, the ammo doesnt drain.

[lofty cedar]

believe it was 7 round burst, i used it once a bit ago. i personally dont like it as a burst gun, but id have to try some more builds with it i forget what i had on

[turbid flint]

why is my message red

[feral harness]

Subject of Emyr

[vapid thorn]

What’s the best build for the overrun AR?

[heady kite]

Sell it

[vapid thorn]

But it’s a materialist plus version

[heady kite]

Hm, just run the highest grip hv for recoil and mag lol

[spice crow]

Does ambush core work with spectre armour

[sleek girder]

Just have the gun in your backpack and run good guns instead of a item is in your backpack it still counts

I would only bring it on runs where your doing a key room or pinwheel farming

[elder heart]

Did they nerf enzyme suppressant with signal jam core on vandal or is it just broken?

[hot hornet]

they called it a bugfix since it shouldn't have worked like that unfortunately, so it's gone

[summer moat]

platnium trophy achieved but still cant buy purple shields, imagine that

[outer hull]

Re: Overrun, it is definitely made for mid-range, and it’s very high rate of fire, so it benefits from anything you can do to maximize its stability, and build it to perform at its listed range

Also, like others said, you can start a run with it equipped k and on the off chance you find an AR or other midrange weapon mid-run, have a large enough backpack where you can store your Overrun, and equip the other weapon

[robust coral]

Does anyone have damage and range numbers for the triage ult? Wondering if it was a good shotgun alternative that could down purple shield players.

[vapid thorn]

Oh word? I thought they had to be equipped to count!

[sleek girder]

Save it for your downed teammates lmao

[robust coral]

Meh, I feel like i see the true potential of an offensive triage

[sleek girder]

The ult does literally almost nothing just play destroyer if you want a offense ult

[leaden bough]

u mean regular materialist right

i dont think its possible for weapons to drop as mat+

[thorny solstice]

aegis :3

[leaden bough]

hai waubert!!!

i just joined

im working on marathon spreadsheet

[thorny solstice]

it is, its just very very rare

[leaden bough]

really????

ive never seen one or anyone with one

[thorny solstice]

https://x.com/staycationtg/status/2046972916902821944

[leaden bough]

HOLAYMOLAY

oh apparently it was added recentlyish

[grizzled seal]

aegis hello

[leaden bough]

Hai

[near jasper]

somewhere i heard, it does 100 damage

[robust coral]

Aw man that's actually not great nvm

[craggy panther]

50m range EMP + 100 damage with lockon? It's kinda good dude but you need to pre-charge it like a mofo

if you and your team open with that it can fuck people up. It's definitely more of an ambush thing rather than a mid-engagement play

[vapid thorn]

No it’s confirmed materialist plus weapon

First one I’ve ever seen

[outer hull]

Do folks have suggestions for good weapon types / specific weapons for quickly killing higher tier bots (like Grenadiers, Assault, and Commanders?)

[lofty cedar]

Heavy guns r nice cuz they stun bots on less shots

[ruby slate]

Any volt weapon

The lookout and the punch in particular are quick but all volt weapons are ammo efficient so u don’t blow through two stacks of light ammo

[outer hull]

Gotcha, and by “Heavy” you mean Heavy Ammo, correct?

[lofty cedar]

Yeh

[novel bolt]

I survived a Cryo exfil with my first subroutine. Tomorrow I go in with a ZEUS with a gold Overclocked Generator.

[flat turret]

Does anyone know if the Rorschach Test chip mod works to overflow the wstr?

"while surrounded by hostiles, reloading overflows the magazine by a [FxColor] amount"

[deft sand]

Which sub?

[peak gulch]

Best build for recon?

[lofty cedar]

yes but atleast with a blue one it gave one bullet

[cloud stirrup]

Any combo of intuition + pulse amp/echo chamber for 3s, can swap intuition for EWS in cryo or outpost.

If no golds just go all in on pulseamp+echo chamber

Everything else is mid at best or fluff at worst

Carry like 6 energy amps

[sharp cypress]

need to make the walls on all the time

[fallow cobalt]

Can also try 2x Cluster Payload for fun. The initial damage from the explosion seems to stack. Not sure about the shrapnel tick damage

[novel bolt]

The first

[shadow wolf]

gotta keep the wallhacks circulating

[severe yew]

i haven't came across any hackers yet

[sharp cypress]

i came across tons

so many recons now smh

[novel bolt]

I got Subroutine 4.

[deft sand]

Sub 6 took me nearly 4 weeks

[left kraken]

They need to buff assassin stealth. It’s basically useless unless you’re playing against Noobs. Too loud and everyone can see you anyway. Reduce sound or something.

[pale briar]

that’s certainly a take

[lime lion]

if you buff it any harder solo will become PvE

[winged frigate]

silly of me to ask, but if I was tagging along on a trip to kill complier, what is the minimum I would need to kill it before the fail condition

[jovial ether]

ammo and heals

[deft sand]

like hella ammo, heals and a bunch of other stuff

[olive remnant]

You're crazy lol

[unique tangle]

what is the damage diffrence between knife and punch?

[pale briar]

i don’t think i’ve seen any actual punch numbers yet

i’d like to assume it’s just a light attack

[unique tangle]

you mean like light attack from knife

?

[pale briar]

i would assume so

until someone does actual testing

[unique tangle]

do you know by any chance how much damge light knife attack does?

[pale briar]

https://x.com/mossy_max/status/2041621161507713520

[unique tangle]

thanks

[pale briar]

i realise reading this sheet again that i was wrong, seems like "quick melee" is punch

i didn't think data had been done on it prior to the knife nerf

[silent comet]

is enzyme suppressant plus low profile bugged on Vandel because I dont get the full 30 sec anymore

[pale briar]

its fixed, the interaction was not intended

[silent comet]

🙁

does she have any budget builds or are all her cores grabge unless u have the gold stuff?

[pale briar]

i don't play vandal myself, but i think her other green cores and 2 of her blue ones are good

obviously i think there is purple and gold ones that are better but her greens and blues are still decent imo.

[silent comet]

they are okey

u never use the canon that often

[leaden bough]

Emp nades

[left kraken]

Is the circuit breaker still good?

[night snow]

if u good with accuracy unique breaker one shots

so yeah - pretty good

ares is also smth

[rose parcel]

hiw does augmented capacitors prime ability increase work?

like how many seconds can you expect to save for each point

[winged kettle]

Where's the best situation yall would bring in a prestige silencer CE pistol like I have?

[pallid ice]

somebody come get her

she dancing like a susserrrr

[rose parcel]

good for quests since you can shoot ads without making noise

esp good at getting rid of turrets

[outer hull]

Yeah, Rook runs is where I’ve learned how useful silenced CE Tact is, at taking care of PvE threats

I don’t have any issues with the visual recoil of the CE Tactical, but I’m always surprised by how I assume it’s not very strong, both because it takes light ammo and visually it looks very unassuming, but then I see that range stat and I go “hmm”

(Re: LMGs)
Should I be building LMGs for medium-long range, or more for medium-close range, in folks opinion?

(I know this is a weird question, but because I end up occasionally having an LMG in random scenarios, I’m curious which of these two engagement ranges they’re better built for)

[winged kettle]

but like I mean the GOLD CE

[lofty cedar]

Anything past like 60m for the builds ive tried feels rough, theres alot of spread. If u can build to minimize that its probably fine

I build for ads speed so i can play more aggro

This is for retaliator, i havent played other lmgs much

[fast island]

I think only the demolition is worth considering building for long range. Retaliator gets too much bloom and is worse at poke in general due to low per bullet damage, and conquest is weird to poke with because of spinup, although it does have the best base accuracy. Demolition is pretty much halfway to being a PR anyway so building it for range works well.

I think lmgs in general are better for medium close, but for me that's mostly because it feels bad running recoil/range attachments for long range when I could run ads speed/weight reduction attachments instead

[outer hull]

@fast island @lofty cedar thank you, agree with you both, that the high rate of fire + other factors, make LMGs better for “medium close” engagements,

If y’all have any tips on which stats to prioritize to mitigate their weaknesses in that engagement distance (besides ADS speed & weight reduction), I’d appreciate it

(Also agree that the one “HMG” we have so far, feels like a much different type of weapon than the other two machine guns, but that feels like an exception case)

[lofty cedar]

Yeah i want to test different stat builds but yaknow u cant buy the attachments off anyone other than using a barter for whole gun

[onyx arch]

i loove the v22 😻

[fast island]

Duelist shield is nice for the ads speed and moving accuracy. Balanced shield is probably my next choice for shield for equip speed. If you run afterburner or the reload vandal core, I find mega belt and cloudfeather belt are generally redundant, so either balanced belt or turbo belt make more sense. My favorite chip mod for lmgs is afterburner, as it lets you bypass the long reload and lessens the need for control shield. Slip protocol, bits per second, and circuit tracers are good alternative chip mods. Demolition can use trigger discipline for better long range poke. Sight is preference, but I tend to prefer clear eyed lens for the low zoom when not running a thermal.

Lock and load core on destroyer is amazing for boosting equip speed, and the core that reloads weapons on slides on vandal is also very good as an alternative to afterburner chip

[real thistle]

what shell do i commit for knife

[gusty shoal]

assassin. Has some cores that help knife and has highest base melee

[lament creek]

I thought destroyer had the highest base melee? Maybe I'm wrong

[gusty shoal]

no you're right. I thought assassin had 15 for some reason.

[wanton barn]

Oh I was chatting in the wrong spot before, oops. I imagine this place is also about weapon discussion.

The Lookout - what does the charged shot do for damage to Body and Head? If anybody knows.

[slate heath]

guys i am looking to buy the pistol optic mod for the magnum MC but i cant find it in the armory, nor in the factions upgrades, am i missing it or you can only get it through loot in game?

[acoustic oak]

What mod specifically are you after?

Don't think you can buy any of the pistol optics, even with full Traxus upgrades

[fallow cobalt]

The gold one maybe? The gun itself isn’t sold in the armory. You can find it pretty commonly in Arms Lockers on Perimeter and Dire Marsh. Otherwise you need a schema for it

The gold mod is really underwhelming though if that’s what you’re talking about

[fast island]

None of the pistol optics are sold directly in the armory. You can get the rangefinder lens pistol sight from buying green and above ces and punches, but that's the only one you can reliably get from the armory.

[slate heath]

thats kinda lame ngl, i dont see why not

[slate heath]

nah, jsut any optic for that weapon really

[brave vessel]

It would honestly be my favorite gold mod if the gun were even relatively good.

That old halo 2-3 magnum nostalgia hits like pure cocaine

Volley rifle gold mod is my current favorite for that same reason lol

[tropic torrent]

Although you can't buy pistol optics directly, if you have enough Traxus rank for Rook to spawn with a green weapon, it's always a full green-modded, silenced Punch or CE Tactical. Just extract with that for basic optics and silencers.

[calm moth]

Does anyone who’s an Assassin main have a specific build they run when they have the implants and cores they need?

[crisp fox]

free punch always comes in clutch after I sell all my weapons

[outer hull]

(Re: Weapon Mods)
My understanding, is that Traxus Mods For This Season Is:

• SMGs
• Assault Rifles
• Precision Rifles
  (and any weapons that also take mods from those categories)
  ^ This makes kitting out these weapons consistently very easy
• Rook Runs are the fastest way to get basic mods for CE Tact & V11 Punch
  (Which are compatible with other weapon types, for example you can take the silencer from a CE Tact, and put it on a Bully)
  IDK if folks have recommendations for other consistent sources of weapon mods… I assume going for containers with mods in them is best?

[night snow]

Kill others - get their mods

[night snow]

Not really, you always want signal jammer with you, bully or volley without termal and shotgun
Rely on your senses and kill runers on Tau Kita

[midnight talon]

has anyone here used the MIPS Slug Converter for the WSTR that can vouch for its efficaccy/how it changes the gun when it's toggled on

I have a couple sitting in my vault but I'd still rather not load into raid with it without knowing how it works

[next belfry]

yo, how good is the purple core "Guerrilla" on Assasin? I usually use Flex weave (Blue) + Ambush (Purple). Is Guerrilla worth keeping?

[leaden bough]

It's ok but every assassin ik uses flex ambush

[uneven coral]

Question for you ASSASSINS:
SMOKE FIELD which is always shown in Blue to denote it's a Shell related thing like usual. While the Smoke Grenade says it creates a SMOKE SCREEN, that is not shown in Blue text in the description.

This is where my question stems from. Do things such as Cores that Buff Smoke Field also work on Smoke Grenades? Or is that why they create a smoke screen and not a smoke field, so an Assassin can't buff a specific equipment too much?

Example: Ghost Protocol - Any Smoke Field you create lasts longer before dissipating.

Smoke Grenades last longer?

[gilded musk]

good cheap bully:

Chip: Bits per second any color
Mag: Blue Hollowcase
Sight: Green Range finder
Barrel: Blue Precision barrel

There are many other variations of this to mix and match making sure you get 40m range and many shop items let you get these mods for the bully in a pinch

[cunning schooner]

helloooo aegis

[leaden bough]

Why are you pinging me hdw32.

Get back to work

[cunning schooner]

aye aye...

[midnight talon]

does anyone else feel like community is greatly exaggerating the severity of the WSTR nerf. people are acting like it's unusable now

[leaden bough]

It is terrible now

Without stack overflow it is awful

[midnight talon]

elaborate

[leaden bough]

Like genuinely horrible

You are literally better off knifing someone

If you dont have carnage cartridge or stack overflow

[green girder]

sucker punch is good too

[leaden bough]

And even if you have either of those, the lethality vs misriah is awful

Sucker punch doesnt do anything

Unless it was patched

The mod literally has no effect

[green girder]

Dang i didn't know that

[leaden bough]

Yeah it sicks

Sucks

[midnight talon]

yeah vs misriah lmao obviously the rarer gun is better than the one you can buy out of the armory for 8k

[leaden bough]

Doesnt make sense for it to literally be worse than knifing

[midnight talon]

not the case in my experience

[leaden bough]

They should restore its damage, nerf its fire rate, and increase its spread or decrease its longer range consistency in some way

[midnight talon]

I think community is looking at the changes in a vacuum. wstr is still great for finishing fleeing enemies

[leaden bough]

So is anything else

The wstrs specialty was barrel stuffing a target

Now it has nothing it does well

[midnight talon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[compact fog]

what does double shot of wstr into punch kills?

[midnight talon]

get better ig

[leaden bough]

Like if im going into cryo and I have no misriah

[compact fog]

it's faster than knife

[leaden bough]

I am literally bringing 1 weapon

[leaden bough]

If you hit every pellet it kills blue shield

I don’t think it kills gold or purple

Not really relevant tho since if ur using wstr ur most likely using stack or carnage or both

[gilded musk]

This is a hard take but they caused a domino effect with the nerfs, they snipers so less punishment for being exposed in open, they nerfed bubble as the cheap easy cover, they nerfed cheap shotgun/knife as the quick way to collapse and kill bubble teams, and now people are mad about grenades...

I think they went over board (IMO) with all nerfs and should find a better solution like bring longshot fire rate to 75 rpm instead of the 90 orignal and 60 new, keep bubbles kind of similar, bring waster damage back maybe increase rarity and only purple stack overflow works for 3 shots and maybe slightly longer reload/fire rate The grenade problem could probably be adressed by un nerfing weapons again and decreasing grenade spawns in situ

I also am a layperson so maybe this isnt the correct answer

[midnight talon]

if sucker punch doesn't work why is there no bug report for it on https://help.marathonthegame.com/hc/en-us/community/topics

[gilded musk]

and also buff copperhead etc

[leaden bough]

Nobody tests anything in this game

Lol

[gilded musk]

so more underused guns have more viability I just liked the OG MW2 style of weapons where many are effective vs all being weak

[leaden bough]

To be fair we tested sucker punch like week 2 of the game being out

Maybe they fixed it

[severe yew]

what if they add a story mode

and it's like 20 hours long

[midnight talon]

about how many heavy knifes to down someone with purple shields assuming you have ~120 melee damage

that's with hard strike maxed and knife fight v4

and assassin shell I guess affects the damage as well since they have higher melee damage

[midnight talon]

it hasn't been in the patch notes so I think safe to assume it's still busted

crazy to think that a bug like that is still in the game though

if only there were a way to test shit like that without having to get an enemy runner to cooperate with you

looks into camera

on an unrelated note there'd better be a firing range starting in season 2 or I will be mildly upset

[patent lagoon]

Hey does anyone know the diff between air cooled chamber and tapered heatsink? Both increase reload speed and magazine size. I get one probably has more magazine size than the other and faster reload vice versa but the tooltip for mods is really vague at times.

I’ve got both on blue but I don’t have any compatible weapons atm to view stat diff

[midnight talon]

gimme a sec.

reload speed on an unmodded circuit breaker is 4.1s, volt drain is 9.4%

with a purple tapered sink, reload speed goes down to 3.3s and volt drain goes down to 4.8%

with a purple air-cooled, reload speed is 2.8 and volt drain is 7.6%

it doesn't make much sense given the name of the mods but it seems like tapered is better for mag size and air-cooled is better for reload speed.

same for the Zeus

[midnight talon]

hope this answers your question

[patent lagoon]

Yeah it helps thx. Doing vault cleaning so this really helps.

[inland rune]

is there like a spread sheet that has all the weapon combos and if there is I would love to see it

if not i can try and make one for yall

(with help ofc)

[leaden bough]

3, melee damage is capped at 100

Nothing increases it further

[midnight talon]

why even have the number go above 100 then. that's silly

silly at best misleading at worst

[plush stump]

Are you sure it’s 3? I saw a chart that shows it’s 2 if you have 84 or more I think

[midnight talon]

probably pre-nerf

[copper hawk]

I think that's more like break-point thresholds for increases in damage killing types of shields faster

[leaden bough]

prenerf

[plush stump]

prenerf you only needed 55

[leaden bough]

https://fxtwitter.com/mossy_max/status/2041621161507713520

realistically u should be spamming light

but if u onyl do heavies, yeah its 3

[plush stump]

ah so 2l1h isn't the same as 2h anymore

so you should do lights instead

[copper hawk]

Thanks, good to know.

On the subject @leaden bough how do over 100 stats work in general in Marathon? Is melee the main one which caps v players?

[gusty shoal]

there's no benefit to overcapping a stat

[copper hawk]

Vandal's ult while active takes her agility above 100

[haughty lantern]

abilties are diffrent and also lie

[fallow cobalt]

When spreadsheet

[gusty shoal]

it also grants an additional movement speed buff that isn't solely reflected in agility

[copper hawk]

Yes

[gusty shoal]

200 agility and 100 agility will provide the same results

[copper hawk]

It's interesting that it pushes it over that line

[fallow cobalt]

Sprint speed is also capped of course. Similar to Destiny. I’ve tried Vandal prime ability + Cardio Kick + weapon mod that increases sprint speed. It was the same speed as the Vandal prime ability

[gusty shoal]

oh I didn't know sprint speed itself was capped too

base cardio kick doesn't affect sprint speed without the implant perk

[fallow cobalt]

Ooh that’s right

[leaden bough]

someday

[fallow cobalt]

Inshallah 😔

[midnight talon]

Bungie needs to take a page out of Digital Extremes' book and just make the numbers available.

would make everyone's lives easier.

[edgy wyvern]

So what’s the best recon set up

[onyx arch]

I wish cores weren't random in the sekiguchi market they never have what I want

[midnight talon]

green and blue cores can only choose between two different cores per day, purple cores are the same every day. you have to find the others yourself

[nimble pebble]

Does melee dmg scale past 100 vs bots? I'm thinking sucker punch on WSTR is really good now to farm bots because of the 75% dmg increase?

[gilded minnow]

All stats are capped at 100. Going further does nothing.

[merry void]

I believe that only applies to base stats. So cores and chips can exceed that

[tranquil pawn]

Sauce?

[midnight talon]

honestly I'm also interested to hear where people heard that pushing stats over 100 does nothing

feels like there isn't really an easy way to test that kind of thing

feels to me more like it should have diminishing returns over 100

otherwise why would the string display a number over 100 on the stats page

[nimble cloud]

its a thing in destiny

well it used to be a thing

[gilded minnow]

It's been proven with melee damage thanks to Aegis and CoolGuy, both of which are major destiny 2 stats testers.

There's no reason for all stats EXCEPT melee to be uncapped while melee is capped at 100.

[gilded minnow]

^

https://x.com/mossy_max/status/2041621161507713520/photo/1

[gusty shoal]

I know for sure that there have been tests with agility and revive speed, which have shown no increase past 100

[tranquil pawn]

There is actually every reason lol. Melee can get huge jumps in value by taking less hits to kill at certain stat values. Other stats don't get that. And there have been specific nerfs targetting melee which could be the reason their testing found no difference?

@gusty shoal
Any URLs?

[gusty shoal]

No, unfortunately. It’s all Twitter and twitch stuff and I don’t remember who did the testing

[leaden bough]

Wasnt me was mossy

I just sent his tweet here

[paper falcon]

Sort of true. Some cores and some implant augments likely use modifiers that go past the additive limit. Revive speed can be nearly instantaneous for instance

[gusty shoal]

i was under the impression this was just a matter of 100 revive speed being very fast intrinsically

[paper falcon]

I’ll go test some cores/implants rn to see if I was just getting placebo

[paper falcon]

I tested a couple things and it def looks like the cores and implant modifiers do not go past 100. Must’ve been placebo on my end 😭

I tested flexweave core with assassin with max agility and the time for each run was exactly the same. I also tested savior complex and the revive speed was the same

[craggy cape]

Checkmate trait can only be found on gold implants?

[fallow cobalt]

Nope, I have it on purples. Might also drop on blues

it’s an awesome trait for recon

being able to scan basically the entire cryo map by running a loop in control

[deft sand]

The one where killing UESC gives prime?

[fallow cobalt]

No it’s this one:

Activating your prime ability grants bonus Agility, sprint speed, and weapon handling to you and nearby crew members.

[deft sand]

Ohh

hmm

How big is the difference?

[fallow cobalt]

It’s great, kinda feels like Vandal prime ability but a bit less

[deft sand]

It seems like instead of shooting the cargo drone till it explodes if you shoot both hatches it drops better loot

Im testing it on rook runs in outpost rn

gotten like a keycard every 5 mins

[plush stump]

wdym?

[deft sand]

Like if you only hit the weakpoint

It drops better stuff

If you hit the outside the shell breaks and it becomes a yellow box

If you only hit the clamps it stays blueish-purple box and has better loot

[plush stump]

Oh so like the thing on top instead of the actual box

I gotta try that sometime

[versed oasis]

it changes colors?

[grizzled seal]

do we have clips?

[green girder]

Hey does anyone know the best chips to use for the misriah?

[heady kite]

Sucker punch, hurricane, reverse card

[green girder]

Nice i've got a purple reverse card. I heard sucker punch don't work and i've never seen a hurricane i don't think what does that do?

[heady kite]

Sucker punch don’t work, huh 🧐 hurricane is good for vandal. It increase stability and reduces errors while in the air

[green girder]

Yeah someone on here told me it literally didn't do anything unless they fixed it, and im a thief main i do like vandal tho. Thanks for the advice i'll make sure to use my reverse card.

[blissful dock]

What side are the hatches on/what do ya aim for

[deft sand]

There are little squares on each side about midway up, those are the weak points

[blissful dock]

Oooo on the box itself?

[paper falcon]

I’m so confused. I thought cargo was just shooting the yellow squares with red dots in them

[solid gorge]

how long do prox nades last?

[agile sigil]

I made a concept for the game as a new game mode I’m alittle scared to share it I just want to know if you guys are interested in seeing it

[heady kite]

Show 🗣️

[agile sigil]

I can’t attach an image hold on

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/107qBPeM_We_uFfr3zWzJ165ZljsuG6whhVF13kM8LGo/edit?usp=sharing

This is my pitch deck for a more accessible game mode for a wider audience

[sharp cypress]

my pitchdeck is just sponsored kit mode and make the game free

[agile sigil]

Alot more to it but ok

I appreciate your feedback 🙂

[midnight talon]

according to aegis sucker punch is nonfunctional since launch

as in it does nothing

[solemn salmon]

Afterburner

Is nice

[green girder]

Thanks makes sense i'll keep an eye out for it.

[blissful mason]

This is really cool btw

[agile sigil]

Thank you

Its not to replace the core of Marathon but to add something more people may enjoy

[cunning gale]

does anyone know how much an Enduring item's value increases by?

is there a % value?

[atomic ore]

could be wrong & haven't tested closely but I believe it's +.5x base value each time

[gloomy sundial]

lol, game has been out for 2 months and we are already talking about making it free.

[sharp cypress]

i mean i feel like its gonna eos within a year

[paper falcon]

It def isnt. There are crazy diminishing returns on enduring

[south temple]

New player, what does the “+1 Shield Slot” on Protector V1 do?

Oh I see. It’s how many blocks of shields you have. So actually the confusing one is Reinforced Shields. Which presumably is no extra blocks but instead extra HP for the single gray block?

[gusty shoal]

yeah it gives you a super block with 40hp instead of two blocks with 20hp

[south temple]

I see, thanks. That seems to suggest that if all you have for shields is a green implant, then you’re getting more efficiency from depleted shield patch if you’re running Reinforced Shields than running Protector V1

[gusty shoal]

yup. all shield heals are more efficient for reinforced

this is actually one of the main draws of one of the two gold shields

[south temple]

Oo it’s available on gold? Sick

Yeah I see I see, reinforced v2

[gusty shoal]

yup

[cunning gale]

anyone else notice that Copperhead bullets seem like they're slow as hell?

just lost a fight in ranked to a dude that was like, not even 30 M away and was for sure in the weapons effective range

[acoustic oak]

Isn't it only an 18m effective range

It's not very far for the base stats

[gusty shoal]

I mean you can add attachments to make it longer

[acoustic oak]

Correct

[gusty shoal]

I would assume they have some of the range mods, at least

it's possible they were outside of the effective range though

[cunning gale]

i added attachments to make it 30 meters, it was like a minecraft arrow 😂

each bullet could have made it to the target faster if I mailed it to the guy

[acoustic oak]

I feel like the increased range for the Copperhead is just there to pad the attachment count

[cunning gale]

no clue, but for an SMG that range is basically worthless

[acoustic oak]

Moral of the story is; don't use the Copperhead

[cunning gale]

heartbreaking

handicap weapon

[acoustic oak]

I wish it was more viable, maybe it is and I'm just using it wrong

[cunning gale]

no way dude not a chance lol

viability is solely in the Dev's hands here and there are several weapons i think are extremely challenging to use

Hardline is another example

[acoustic oak]

The Hardline can be good from what I've been experimenting with

The visual kick you get is really jarring which I think turns a lot of people off it

With a recoil reduction, it becomes pretty decent

[gusty shoal]

If you get good recoil mods on it, it can do pretty well yeah. I think the bigger problem is just that it fills a niche that's really competitive and not particularly useful

[acoustic oak]

Still prefer the Stryder though, so much more satisfying to use and I find myself hitting so many more headshots with it over the Hardline

[deft sand]

Impact HR has the longest ADS time and one of the lowest handling and ttk

It’s lowkey so bad

[cunning gale]

i wanna make like, a 2x2 grid with "I like/don't Like it" on top and "it's good/bad" on the side

I like the impact, but it's ass 😭

[gusty shoal]

its bullets are also hella slow lmao

[cunning gale]

real tbh

[gusty shoal]

impact has got to be the most liked shit gun

[cunning gale]

fr

[gusty shoal]

like every time my team sees one we all want it, but we also all just recognize it's a worse bully

[cunning gale]

list of guns i want to be good but are really bad: Impact, copperhead, (add yours here)

[acoustic oak]

Ornithologist mod to the Impact 😎

[cloud palm]

What's the best website to plan out a build / gun loadout? I've noticed a few of the sites are completely outdated defeating the purpose.

[sharp cypress]

honestly good for trolling

[plush stump]

I’m pretty sure it actually has one of the best headshot ttks, not sure about body though

[acoustic oak]

Helps with the ADS speed on the Impact

[sharp cypress]

wait rly?

how much

[acoustic oak]

uhhh

an amount

which I do not know

[sharp cypress]

like rough estimate

[acoustic oak]

I literally do not have a clue

I just know it does

It's one of the stats on the mod

[lofty cedar]

yeah that shit piss me off when i shoot it, but its so nice to use

[plush stump]

The twinscope optic makes the ads fine, unfortunately other optics make the other stats way better

[deft sand]

I use it in solos to make people fight each other

Or in trips to lure a team to us

Trios*

[solemn salmon]

depends on rarity, for impact itʻs -0.3s at purple rarity (goes from 0.8s to 0.5s)

[cursive fern]

Whats yall go to farmable/easy to stock up on weapon mods

[lofty cedar]

Other than ppl, outpost red room bc usually has blue/purple mod. For chip mods usually just any weapon in a weapons locker

[cursive fern]

I meant the mods themselves

Like is there one from traxus shop you go to or maybe a specific barter you stock up on yk?

[lofty cedar]

blue m7 for hollowcase mag and stack overflow, blue lmg for bits per sec and lmg stuff, heavy ar for trigger discipline but its kinda expensive

i usually jsut strip the chip mod and use the gun, since for those the guns arent bad

[cursive fern]

yeah ive been trying to figure out what chips I can consistently use for builds so I was curious

ideally I get a bunch of stack overflows for wstrs, minjammers for snipers and such and Im not sure for bully/smgs... maybe insurrectionist or something

[lofty cedar]

bits per second, slip, afterburner

[slender shoal]

Do any of the chips that give effects like cardio have any use cases
And by extension elimination chips? They seem to have niche uses on paper

[solemn salmon]

elimination chips are more effective in PvE, i think... unless itʻs smth you can easily thirst with like a sniper, maybe?

sorry wrong reply

@slender shoal

[slender shoal]

yeah, some seem to be pvp focused though like keyboard warrior

it does get longer durations at higher tiers so maybe superior version of it is long enough to utilize

[solemn salmon]

itʻs great for the passive stat buff to your weapon

particularly higher rarities becomes a meaningful effect

[tidal marlin]

Pocket Change lets you main snipers/shotguns vs bots very easily

[honest tartan]

Any source of afterburner?

Also question regarding v22 thrower

Is there any mod that allows it to sustain fire for longer before overheating? Or do you just have to fire in shorter bursts?

[tropic torrent]

Maybe the gold mod? idr offhand but the Scar gold mod does exactly that

And afterburner is on some barters here and there, seems to pop up on Bully often enough

[honest tartan]

Nice one

[slender shoal]

Should i focus on getting the range on wstr up? Its been inconsistent with me whenever i use it

[lofty cedar]

u need to be kissing them anyways and getting 1 range prob isnt gonna change much. i think most important stuff is to put quickdraw grip and stack overflow

[lofty cedar]

forgot to answer, its on the bully in traxus

[slate heath]

Does anybody know where I can farm Flechette Split Action prestige barrel mod for BRRT SMG?

Also how to unlock the BRRT in the armory, is it possible or you have to find it? If so, where can I farm it?

Not the gold weapon on cryo vault one because you can't personalize that one i think.

[lofty cedar]

just anywhere youd find a gold mod, outpost red card room. the last sentence is correct, you cant customize any unique weapon, but they have a stat that is increased on them (brrt unique/drrvish has 10 more ammo)

[slate heath]

I see thanks

Btw how do I farm red keys? I haven't found one yet

[lofty cedar]

theres spots around outpost that contain a red key, its a beacon that gives you a redcard (search red card video if u want the spots). alternatively u can kill gold boss at dorms for 1 red, i believe any purple bot can drop red (ive only gotten red drops from purp bot in the pinwheel)

you need 3 total for the room fyi

[slate heath]

Ooooh you mean that red room

[lofty cedar]

oh second question, you need brrt schema as its not sold in armory. places i usually find schemas bc i dont really loot too much anymore: strongboxes, the supply drone

[slate heath]

I thought there was a red key like for cryo vault 6

[lofty cedar]

oh there is, i just meant red keycard my bad

[slate heath]

Ok ty

Are there red keys for maps other than cryo?

I need to farm red keys idk how

[lofty cedar]

cryo 6 is the only red key and u can find i believe anywhere u can find a gold cryo key (red keycard room in outpost, bosses, diremarsh lockdown final box)

[slate heath]

Okay

[lofty cedar]

alternatively just kill ppl on cryo or find a buddy that has one

[slate heath]

Ye that is probably fastest way to go about it ngl xd

[lofty cedar]

i havent gotten one since they redid outpost, me and friend got 4 back to back then never again

[slate heath]

If you have good team at pvp

[slate heath]

Lol

Btw is cryo 3 a gold keys?

[lofty cedar]

3,4,5 are gold, 1,2 purp, 6 red

[slate heath]

Okok

Me snd my team miss 3 and 6

[lofty cedar]

i have i think two 3's

[slate heath]

For compiler, no idea how the 7th even works tho

[lofty cedar]

u need dna access card, u have chance to get in cryo vault rooms. gold rooms and red obv have higher chance (they might be guarnteed but i havent really hit too many gold rooms)

the dna access card is vault 7 card

[slate heath]

Is it the red little circular thing?

[lofty cedar]

no thats subroutine, itll look like a keycard but a 1x1 and say dna access card

[slate heath]

Okok

[deft sand]

7 uses DNA key to open after doing some other steps

[proven mist]

Red key outpost almost always has one in there

[heady kite]

No? It has a cryo key for a vault. Not a DNA

[proven mist]

Oh misread I was talking about cryo keys

[kind mica]

How do y’all build your copperheads? Fallen in love with the gun on destroyer, so good for run and gun gameplay and spamming missiles downrange.

[humble mountain]

quick question: do shell stats overstack? Like if i'm using knife fight v4 along with strike kit v3 and it brings my melee damage to 115, does that have an impact? or is it the same as getting to 100?

[lofty cedar]

Lotta people say stats dont pass 100

[acoustic oak]

It's capped at 100

As in, even if the stat says 115, the actual performance is still going to be what 100 is

[ivory kelp]

Any thoughts about what shell would support a pair of assassins in Cryo if that shell needs to be leading/sherpa-ing the group?

[lofty cedar]

Recon bc info is good so u can reposition or get an off angle

[shadow wolf]

the recon should also bring energy amps to keep the echo pulse circulating so you know at all times where teams are gonna be

[trim tiger]

Hey! Just starting this week, What should I do to start build crafting? so Far favorite shells are Recon + Thief. So any builds that focus on their habilities would be good!

[cursive fern]

anyone know if the bully has a max range?

and if so, where in game can I find that stat

[lofty cedar]

Range stat shows on the gun, max range is 40. U can try to put more range on it but the number doesnt go past 40