🛠️buildcrafting

[cursive fern]

ah yeah okay that makes sense

[lofty cedar]

Just find stuff and start coming up with ideas of how u wanna play, think there is a wiki for the cores and some other things but idk what its called as i dont use it

[cursive fern]

someone told me it was 30 so I was confused when I had it go past, thinkin there is a soft cap that the game wont tell me

40 makes sense

holy blanka pfp 😭

[lofty cedar]

Its hulk

Just some weird image i found on instagram

[cursive fern]

oh shit maybe hulk was the original cuz Ive seen this image but for blanka from street fighter so many times

[bright fern]

is the Arachne melee LVL3 upgrade worth it or shall I get lvl 2 of revive speed instead?

[cursive fern]

what do you guys think are the best barrel attachments for snipers?

im thinking impulse break since they already have a lot of range, and recoil isnt that bad

[restive jasper]

what stats should I focus on when playing as assassin and destroyer?

[gusty shoal]

For Destroyer, heat capacity is probably the main focus, since so many of your combat mobility burns through your heat.

For Assassin, I personally think maxing knife damage with Knife Fight is a scam unless you’re specifically going for knife cores. Like tbh if you just get Strike Kit 3, that usually hits the necessary breakpoints once you consider the Arachne upgrades. I’d recommend tac recovery to get as many cloaks as possible.

And then there’s a bunch of stats that are just generically useful like Agility, Self-Repair, and Revive

[haughty quiver]

Destroyer Main here: focus on heat. You are gonna be dashing and charging a lot in matches and it burns through your heat quick, definitely focus on that, you don’t have to worry about any kind of damage cores or anything like that because Search and Destroy is already OP enough as is

So yeah basically I’m forwarding the message above me

As for Assassin, idk, you’re gonna have to get a certified Assassin guy on that one, I never play him

[modern anchor]

Assassin, melee is good, ability cd stuff is also good, if you have to decide I'd say tactical > prime. Agility so you can move around faster while invis.

[modern anchor]

do you use search and destroy for pvp or pve?

[haughty quiver]

Both. I use Search and Destroy for PVE when there are UESC commanders to take down and use it for PVP when there’s a Runner

You have to learn that Search and Destroy needs to be used to get an advantage over an enemy you don’t think you can kill with just your green Bully alone

[modern anchor]

I am unable to utilise Search and Destroy for PvP it seems, just cant seem to get value when I pop it. Though still am learning the shell

[rough lion]

Have any fellow PS5 players found good guidance on which weapons are particularly good for us (given extra aim assist settings, slower sensitivity, etc)?

[rough lion]

Not a destroyer main but play with a few of them. S&D in PvP scenarios works best with the right weapon and positioning. Fast rate of fire, a clear line of sight, and getting the drop on your enemies are all important. So an LMG with a shield on a map like Dire Marsh is EXCELLENT for S&D. But TBH, to me it seems like the ability is generally not that well suited to PvP because Destroyer really shines at closer range, and S&D is better when you are more at mid range

[modern anchor]

I'm suspecting largely using SND for pvp stuff and seeing through smokes, yeah

[lofty cedar]

It gives a visual queue if someone is in los so i use it for that. Also its nice if u get an off angle and get to pelt shots into the enemy

[rough lion]

Yea sounds like you have the right idea. People use smokes to try to give cover in wider open spaces or long corridors, and assassins use it to move forward and push. So if the enemy smokes, you can use your dash to get back and create midrange space, then smash S&D straight into thje smoke (especially if you have thermal sights).

[onyx arch]

Chat why do i suck and always die in cryo

[lofty cedar]

be more patient and take angles with team rather than aggro swinging solo everything if u are

[onyx arch]

thank you

[lofty cedar]

or if u are going to take an off angle use it to pressure with team or just annoy them

also please back up aagainst grenades if u are in a choke, just drop the angle

[onyx arch]

i will use this advice

[lofty cedar]

there is always a differnt angle to take, so dont be afraid to rotate

you got this champ

[onyx arch]

I honestly was so discouraged thursday when i lost my last key, that was the first time i ran into a real 6 man, i didn't realize eeveryone was serious about that stuff
But now i feel enlightened

[lofty cedar]

i personally havent ran into a 6 man with my many cryo runs, idk how ppl are experiencing this. lucky me ig

oh and during bubbleshield play, dont be afraid to nade urself if they posture for a slide into the bubbleshield

theres alot of things u can do but yeah most of the stuff i said up there is just general stuff

[honest tartan]

Recon what stats do you all prioritise

[deft sand]

Prime and Tact recovery

[honest tartan]

Yeah thought that might be the case

[fallow cobalt]

There are pretty heavy diminishing returns on Prime Recovery (and probably Tactical) so I wouldn’t necessarily try to max it out. The difference between 85 and 100 Prime Recovery on Recon scan is 10s (130s and 120s).

Having both Sekiguchi upgrades for Prime Recovery gives you 60 and then 5 from base stats puts you at 65, which is 145s for scan

Honestly playing the free kit mode made me realize that I didn’t really need any more than that. Obviously for Cryo you’d want to hit as high as possible but for the other maps 65 was sufficient

For anyone interested these are the cooldowns for Recon scan that I have verified in-game:

+------------------+------------------+
|  Prime Recovery  |  Prime Cooldown  |
+==================+==================+
|        5         |       229        |
+------------------+------------------+
|        15        |       208        |
+------------------+------------------+
|        65        |       145        |
+------------------+------------------+
|        75        |       137        |
+------------------+------------------+
|        80        |       133        |
+------------------+------------------+
|        85        |       130        |
+------------------+------------------+
|        95        |       123        |
+------------------+------------------+
|       100        |       120        |
+------------------+------------------+

[gusty shoal]

isn't that just -3.5s per 5 prime recovery

err actually. I guess just once it hits 65

[fallow cobalt]

Yeah

Wish i had the numbers between 15 and 65

[deft sand]

Each 1 prime recovery reduces ult cooldown by 0.5%

Wonder how much energy amp is

[fallow cobalt]

If that were true then how does the CD get reduced by 21 from 5 to 15 Prime Recovery

Energy Amp reduces the cooldown by a flat 40% for the duration of the amp

[slender shoal]

Glass cannon can also reduce it

albeit lasts for a short amount of time, so might be best used to top off the charge

[humble flower]

whats the best gun combo for outpost

[gusty shoal]

Bully Misriah

just like Cryo

After that is Bully + 3-shot WSTR

Tied with Bully + sniper

[plush stump]

M77+ shotgun is also great

[celest sedge]

The copperhead with the prestige mod is such a fun gun to play with, shreds so fast

[chrome delta]

народ, есть кто из россии? кто может помочь с ошибкой tapir?

[iron coral]

It's great for players at range x<= 15m

[restive jasper]

holy moly that's good

[restive jasper]

do we have any more of these?

[sick mantle]

can i 1 tab with melee damage 90 and prestige shadow strike ?

[unkempt musk]

this is probably a stupid question but do the reinforced shields literally take half damage?

[wanton shell]

bring duos back, these dogshit kids bringing white shield when im bringing a 40k loadout is a joke

[lofty cedar]

because it only gives you one bar, the damge you take is halfed to equal out the same amount of shield, so its technically still 40 health

[fallow cobalt]

I got a few more last night on my alt

+==================+============+
|  Prime Recovery  |  Cooldown  |
+==================+============+
|        5         |    229     |
+------------------+------------+
|        10        |    218     |
+------------------+------------+
|        15        |    208     |
+------------------+------------+
|        20        |    200     |
+------------------+------------+
|        65        |    145     |
+------------------+------------+
|        70        |    141     |
+------------------+------------+
|        75        |    137     |
+------------------+------------+
|        80        |    133     |
+------------------+------------+
|        85        |    130     |
+------------------+------------+
|        90        |    126     |
+------------------+------------+
|        95        |    123     |
+------------------+------------+
|       100        |    120     |
+==================+============+

Looking for Strike Kit v1's since it's the only leg implant that gives Prime Recovery 😭

[gilded minnow]

What ult is this for?

[cinder quiver]

recon scan

[rigid goblet]

bring a spare blue shield with you for those shitters... you get it back if they extract with it

[restive jasper]

recon

[gilded minnow]

I thought it was for a different character since he already did recon, I didn't realize it was more detailed for recon now. Oops. Thanks for the heads up!

[cinder quiver]

some assassin got scanned like 20 times for these numbers. please, make a donation to the buff recon foundation so we can ping that little shit some more

[in the arms of an angel plays over footage of an assassin getting REALLY stressed out]

[restive jasper]

me in the corner who's been enjoying playing assassin recently:

[cinder quiver]

🏓

[fallow cobalt]

lol I get the cooldowns from that brief period when you load in and can't move; your abilities are disabled and it shows the cooldown. I just leave the run after that :^)

[severe yew]

i lost my shotgun

[onyx arch]

Yeah idk what's so "experimental" about 2v2s when like every game ever has it

[calm spade]

is the ares RG gold mod functional again or still disabled?

[lofty cedar]

should still be disabled, they havent said anythign in patch notes

[lament dragon]

When building out a destroyer, what stats should I focus on? Agility, because its at 0 and hes clunky? Heat cap so I can sprint and boost more? I usually try to split between those but I feel like I'm still missing something.

[lofty cedar]

ive been trying more heat cap, but i mainly run agi and repair speed since u can just buy it off traders. if i do actually get the heat capacity pieces (solidstance or distance runner for legs, thickskull/sprintkit for head), theres this white core that gives u agi for killing stuff and u lose it when u go down

[ivory helm]

I got two misriahs in my vault, what’s the best mods?

[plush stump]

Slick mag and range and spread angle buffs

[lofty cedar]

u can usually just slick mag and call it a day, i prefer quickdraw grip so i dont needa prepull shotgun when i want to slide in

[ivory helm]

Thank you guys 🙏🏾

[onyx arch]

do you need 1 matter fixative for every compromised item, or do you only need 1 for everything?

[fallow cobalt]

1 for everything

[onyx arch]

oh sweet

[unkempt musk]

why?

[acoustic oak]

yeah lol why

[unkempt musk]

thats such a dumb reason to leave the run for

[fallow cobalt]

I’ve seen the cooldown vary by a second when I looked after the prime ability ended. Something tells me that the UI Refresh Rate setting affects this?

[unkempt musk]

ok but why leave the run because of that

[acoustic oak]

what

[fallow cobalt]

wdym I’m queuing solo with nothing but implants?

[acoustic oak]

ok

[fallow cobalt]

marathon community ready to crucify you for literally anything 😭 🥀

[unkempt musk]

i mean i guess but like again, why leave the run, well like it just seems like there isn't a need to leave the run

[acoustic oak]

youre not making any fuckin sense

[fallow cobalt]

idk what about “I’m queuing solo with nothing but implants” doesn’t make sense

[unkempt musk]

no no that makes sense, what doesn't make sense is your reason other then that like why is that your only reason

[acoustic oak]

and silence lol

[fallow cobalt]

no I’m trying to understand that sentence

I don’t understand what other reason???

[unkempt musk]

like why is that your only reason, wouldnt it be more profitable to just finish the run

[fallow cobalt]

ok so once again I only have implants on. Do you know what those are?

Here I’ll make it more clear: I don’t have weapons or ammo or heals on!

[unkempt musk]

ya, and again, you can go beat the shit out of some uesc, and run out with a bunch of salvage

[lofty cedar]

i think they just want to know what thegoal from doing what ur doing is

[fallow cobalt]

I want to get the cooldown values since there is no information on how prime recovery works??? Why does that need to be explained

It’s pretty clear by the table I posted what my intentions were

Genuinely so confused

[lofty cedar]

yeah i mean idk lol

guessing they didnt realize u posted the testing msgs

i do appreciate the testing tho that good

[unkempt musk]

again i would want to profit from what im doing, regardless of what it is

[fallow cobalt]

Good for you!

I just don’t care about losing a few thousand credits I guess?

[sick meadow]

Does materialist stack? If I wear two materialist items, do I get double the material

[fallow cobalt]

Yes

[unkempt musk]

man why does the volt thrower still suck with the gold mod

[deft sand]

Doesn’t suck, it’s insanely broken with the gold mod

[covert drum]

not double, you get one extra item per materialist thing you are carrying.

[granite magnet]

hmmm, intake vents + bull rush? or intake plus lock n load?

[frank crescent]

Does Stackoverflow interact with the Misriah? If I reload one shell at empty does it add 2-3?

[granite magnet]

i imagine you just keep reloading till its at the overflow limit

[lofty cedar]

the one time i tried it, didnt do anything

[granite magnet]

ah

damn that sucks then

[frank crescent]

Fantastic to know.

It would make it kind of broken tbh. Loading one to shoot 3 times

[granite magnet]

i wasn't thinking it would load multiple at time

i was thinking it would just have you shove in two or more shells than the maximum ammo capacity allowed

[frank crescent]

I think since you need to load at empty it would not allow for a limit since it’s a one at a time

I just didn’t want to test it on the one misriah I found this entire season.

[granite magnet]

fair

[frank crescent]

Regardless appreciate the insight

[gilded minnow]

I just wanted to say I love your pfp! Sorry for the ping!

[granite magnet]

lmao, thanks

[unkempt musk]

it kinda sucks, its only a little better

[crude depot]

Last Resort worth taking at all over other mods? (+non-precision damage on overheat) specifically on destroyer with Misriah but in general as well

[woven storm]

Does anyone know if the chip mod Alternating Current directly fills up your health and shield or just starts the regen?

[gusty shoal]

I'm pretty sure it does actually interact

with an empty mag, purple stack overflow gives you like 4-5 bullets back into the mag on your first reload

[rigid goblet]

yeah its actually insane...

[frank crescent]

Eyo?? Alrighty then, I’m in business

[sharp stag]

God dammit bungle

[brave steeple]

#breach-protocol

[onyx arch]

does triage's battery overcharge increase the damage of volt weapons or just the handling

[cinder quiver]

handling for sure, emp on shield break is nice too. but not damage.

maybe some other stats, but i'm unsure

[torpid ferry]

you can combine it with alternating current for more damage, it is quite nice

I have been using it with the v75 and v22 prestige mods and they are honestly pretty strong

[deft sand]

Directly fills

[glad sinew]

Anyone know the ttk for the br33?

[white lion]

fast

[celest sedge]

What are the best Misriah attachments?

[hollow epoch]

Slick mag, I don't know for the others tho

[robust coral]

I think the "see ya" chip mod could be fun/interesting play.

[gusty shoal]

Slick mag is essentially necessary, but apart from that, you basically just want range and spread reduction

[fallow cobalt]

Long Range Barrel and Hip-Shot Grip

[brave steeple]

I like snapshot grip

makes ADS for accurate shots faster

[plush stump]

At least one range attachment to make it 14m and then spread angle is the best but as long as you get range the other thing doesn't matter as much

[charred bear]

What is the most meta build using only equipment purchased from armory?

[lofty cedar]

Counting or not counting barters

Both probably revolve around running a bully tho 😭

[charred bear]

not counting barters. strictly cash

[icy marten]

how long does background process take to work?

[lofty cedar]

idk if u want the mods included; bully or m7 w/longshot or wstr

[crude depot]

Anyone know what the best volt dampener mod is? Specifically for the V75 Scar

[wispy current]

The good one

[honest tartan]

What does firewall and hardware actually do? There's some implant or chip that boosts them when you get kills or something, and idk if I've ever encountered a situation where that would be noticeable or useful

[crude depot]

Appreciate it 🤓

[lofty cedar]

Lowers duration of status effects, hardware for the healing debuff, firewall for emp

[charred carbon]

also the strength of the debuff effect toxin gas for example

[honest tartan]

Thanks

Suppose if you've no mech kits or debugs it could be useful

[tropic torrent]

Are there concrete numbers anywhere on the damage buff for a charged V99 shot v. uncharged? I've seen talk of 1H1B when fully charged against 200hp, but I'm curious where the damage falls on fully charged body or at intermediate charge levels

[rough lion]

Anyone know how the eyes on fire weapon chip works alongside vandal’s abilities? In particular, does killing bots with her disruptor cannon activate it, or is it only counted if you use the cannon and then shoot/otherwise kill the enemy?

[outer hull]

Q:V11 Punch + Chip Mods
Do folks know if Trigger Discipline Mod works with V11 Punch?

(See below for why I ask)

• V11 Punch: uncharged shot fires on “trigger release”
• Trigger Discipline: “increased accuracy for first few rounds of trigger pull”

[outer hull]

I have no clue, but my intuition is, since it’s a weapon mod, the mod would only activate from damage caused by that weapon (and not other damage sources, while weapon is held)

But I am not an expert on weapon mechanics, so this feels like something to test on PvE enemies in a Perimeter solo match (apologies I couldn’t be of much help)

[fallow cobalt]

I think all guns have an accuracy cone so I don’t see why it wouldn’t

[outer hull]

Yeah, I’m more curious whether the mod cares that V11 fires on “trigger release” and not “trigger pull” (I assume it works, but words are tricky

[fallow cobalt]

Oh you’re talking about how it shoots I see

[unkempt verge]

test it for us please

[night aspen]

Does anyone have the numbers on the common enemy chip mod?

[modern anchor]

@inland rune @noble kiln
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C30zZs87IRCjI61NS_u8v5pZux7KF5qYBLERUQkSXYE/edit?usp=sharing

Whipped this up to have a quick easy reference for good builds for each weapons. Requesting help to fill it out since I am not actually sure for the builds

[inland rune]

Nicee thank you so much ❤️

I will try to help fill out (meaning find people)

[outer hull]

This is amazing!!! bookmarks to check later

(Even as a Blank Spreadsheet, I really like the way you’ve organized it… am definitely gonna make a spreadsheet like this on my own time for my own weapon mod brainstorming)

[noble kiln]

Should we just edit it ourselves or we discuss it here first?

[modern anchor]

I allowed people to put in comments, frankly do as you wish. I personally cannot really build much optimally lol.
Thinking about it I could take a page out of the WF riven guide to allow multiple types of attachments for each slot

[noble kiln]

I think on volt weapons it's reasonable to out Alternating Current if you play as Triage

[outer hull]

Is it ok to make a copy of the in-progress sheet, for personal use (w/ author page intact, to show original creator*)

[modern anchor]

ofc, ofc, its basically a template

[outer hull]

Ty, also I’ll try to contribute to the original w/ comments when I can!

(I still need to use a lot of weapons in order to make more informed comments, but if I ever have ideas for what to put for more niche* weapons, I’ll try to remember to comment)

[robust coral]

Does anyone know if the damage is different for a trap bag if you try and loot it vs shooting it?

[gusty shoal]

it shouldn't be

[robust coral]

Great! I had a goofy idea to use them as sort of landmines. One shot with the outland was good enough to detonate it.

[tropic torrent]

...I imagine a curious runner would probably go over to at least look at a few trap bags in some deliberate arrangement

If only to ponder why

[robust coral]

Yeah 1 wouldn't work, needs at least 3

[tropic torrent]

Exactly

[nimble cloud]

nah bro i just shoot all bags on sight

also im pretty sure the game would label the interact as 'search container' instead of 'search'

[outer hull]

Yeah… it might just be better to set up some claymores as “explosive barrels”, facing the general area you want them to damage, then shoot them from a distance(?)

^ IDK if this is a valid strategy, but it’s the closest conceptually to your original idea

[tropic torrent]

Shooting them is fair, but I have my doubts that everyone would be quite so proactive. Besides, they don't need to search them for @robust coral 's idea, just get near enough that the trapping player can shoot one from somewhere nearby and detonate the group

And I do think enough players would at least come over to have a look that it would get people occasionally... solely because of the novelty

[robust coral]

The other thought was To bait them next to a key room. Bring in a key, open the door and sound the alarm. Lay down three trap bags. Ohh gee wiz looks like I was late to the 3rd party! Kaboom. What's this? 6 body bags around the key room? Must have been a huge fight. Kaboom. Greed is the death of most runners

[nimble cloud]

6 bodybags but not a single ad killed 😭

[robust coral]

People opening a vault in cryo? 3 trap bags in front of the door is pretty tempting......

[nimble cloud]

brug if people saw bags suspiciously infront of a door like that theyd know

[robust coral]

Or they thought they were late to the party. I have never seen a single person use a trap bag in cryo. No one would expect it

[nimble cloud]

ive not seen people use them at all 💀

[robust coral]

Yet they are pretty much the only explosive that can down a full purple

[deft sand]

I place em in choke spots so I can shoot them and cause them to blow up

[robust coral]

I am glad I am not the first person to see the full potential of the trap bag

[drifting birch]

trap bags are great but i only use them if i find them during a run

[fallow cobalt]

Yeah they just aren’t viable against experienced players lol. They have to be completely hidden from view like behind a door and detonated as soon as it opens

And unless the person hiding is in some weird vantage point, a recon scan would give it all away before the door opens

I’ve seen people try it in cryo and use staircases as head glitches to shoot them and it’s just so obvious and cringe. Like ok I just won’t open the door and you can waste your time holding that

[gusty shoal]

https://x.com/0npam/status/2050802800112914640

[robust coral]

I mean it's ratty as hell, but effective. A recon probably would have sussed them out. It is a hell of a way to start off a fight though.

[woven arrow]

does anyone know if vandal’s core “low profile” (signal jam on slide) is actually worth using to break console aim assist?

[gusty shoal]

I actually watched it live. There are multiple recons that ultimately die to it. The main thing is that even if you see three players sitting near panopticon, your first thought is probably not that they’ve booby-trapped the door.

But obviously once players became aware of this strategy, it becomes a lot harder to actually do.

[gusty shoal]

The signal jam is like 1sec, so it doesn’t really persist after you’ve slid. It’s good to help you disengage, but I wouldn’t rely on it as a strategy if you want to actively be shooting back in a firefight.

[next belfry]

what kinda implants do you guys typically run on Destroyer?

I tend to run the 3S's Sprint Kit, Survival and Strike Kit, All V4

[steep karma]

I feel like the good effects are hard to come across so I aim for stats most of the time. I do try and stock the equipment/ping mods when I can. Max heat/revive/repair are usually my starting point.

[plush stump]

I like Regen, survival kit, and strike kit

[cinder quiver]

knife fight, knife fight, knife fight

[opal grove]

Chad build

Enemy of "rotates" and "strategy"

Knife knife knife

[stoic nymph]

i saw a video about a combination of vandal slide jammer core and chest lingering consumable that will turn the 1-2 second jammer to 30 seconds. is it fixed?

[brave steeple]

fixed unfortunately

was a bit op

[stoic nymph]

Damn

[sharp cypress]

my collection of enzyme torso is useless then

oh well thats atleast free 16 vault space

[gusty shoal]

now you can use them on recon

so you can stay energy amped forever

[woven arrow]

thinking of it more so as to slide in past someone and breaking their camera yk?

[gusty shoal]

I mean sure, but the AA on controller is t really strong enough to deal with that anyway tbh. I think you can already do that.

[drowsy copper]

Slide past them and throw a heat grenade at them while you do, works everytime

Or you can run Blast Off + Cut to the Chase and charge your cannon when you slide on top of them

Wish the Signal Jam slide thing wasn't a core b/c imo it's kinda dumb the AA is that strong it tracks you through Vandal slide like that

[gaunt ice]

I was testing using the controller in general but the poor looting with it was enough to remove my cares.

[azure junco]

Not like you need to shield swap like in Apex. Slow looting doesn't matter when you only loot after everyone is already dead

AA in this game is too insane to not use roller if you're good on it IMO

[gaunt ice]

I get that it’s to bad to even do while not in combat.

[honest tartan]

Best mods for h-ar? My intuition says recoil and ads speed are the must haves, they're very rough at baseline.

[lofty cedar]

the giant triangle grip and the flip up sight, i like reload mag just to reload faster or hollowcase to get some more range if u play longer range. just careful since gun has mad bullet travel time

bits p;er second can be good if u arent running full purple mods

[honest tartan]

What is the triangle grip called? Sturdy brace?

[lofty cedar]

yeh

[civic siren]

How does Stack Overflow work on the Repeater? And any other good Repeater chips you'd recommend?

[peak wren]

i’m curious about this & misriah tbh but haven’t bothered testing

[civic siren]

same lol

[cunning schooner]

pretty sure it just loads 2 shells in from 0

[fallow cobalt]

Blue Stack Overflow loads 4 from empty in a 6 mag Misriah

I’m actually not sure if it was a 10 mag one or not… I’ll have to check again

I’d probably run accuracy chips on a Repeater

Trigger Discipline, Slip Protocol

[peak wren]

ohh. that sounds fun. was about to set up a gold one cuz im sitting on two & not using em, but i got Carri barter for them today

[plush stump]

Got two gold copperheads today 💀

[void oasis]

is distance runner available for purchase in the armoury

[lofty cedar]

no, need schema

[strong kraken]

never seen a distance runner schema

[quartz monolith]

Anyone have info on what purple Circuit Tracers does, precisely? Like the math behind it

I got a gold misriah the other day and thinking a bit how best to bling it out, and thinking that “big mag + circuit tracers” would be a particularly fun combo … if it is the case that CT is, like, “returns 20%, or 30% of your mag, whatever your mag size is”.

I’ve only dabbled with CT for machine guns and always been rather amused at how much it tops up the mag just shooting bots, but never checked what the math is

[tropic torrent]

From the 4/14 patch notes it's a 5% ammo refund at common, 40% at superior, internal CD of 1s on the effect

[quartz monolith]

40%?! Hot damn!

Thanks for that info, that’s way more than I expected

[viral prairie]

does anyone know if going invisible removes pings?

Would a spectre shield and chest implant that removes pings on shield break work well together, or would the spectre shield remove the pings anyway?

[deft sand]

Invis doesn’t remove pings but it removes aim assist on you

[viral prairie]

Thank you

[deft sand]

It’s a direct counter to controller players if you’re using a specter shield

[nimble cloud]

🙏

[gleaming void]

is the blue unique Overrun any good?

hate the base gun lol

[woven storm]

I liked it

It's not bad as long as you hit headshots

side note, how does circuit tracers work on the misriah?

Do you have to full kill someone for ammo back or can you down a player and get some back

[gusty shoal]

you only get ammo back for thirsting

[heady kite]

Uh, it’s ‘ok’ pretty decent close range but full spraying more than 30m is just impossible tbh

[rocky tundra]

could someone explain how do i use the unique v85 freetailproperly? ty in adv

[strong kraken]

charge to lvl 3 before you peek and hit them through bubbles/glass

[lofty cedar]

Yeah u gotta give it a sec to charge to third

[rocky prism]

Is it still true that have using the same core twice multiplies its effect

[lofty cedar]

pret sure none of the cores stack

[hollow epoch]

thought they did

[fallow cobalt]

I don’t think cores are supposed to stack. I only know of one interaction (that is probably a bug) where double Cluster Payload causes Recon’s tracker drone to do 2x blast damage

Was pretty fun to abuse before they buffed Recon. Echo Chamber is just much better now

[nimble cloud]

what

[fathom marsh]

it's like

a recruitment post

[livid carbon]

aura

[spice crow]

I'm thinking the v85 gold is meant to snipe people

I've been using it as extra damage but it seems to be not working out

[dense yarrow]

What does "bonus accuracy" actually mean? I'm looking at Keyboard Warrior. Accuracy is a category, does it mean all 4 of hip/ads spread, crouch & movement bloom are improved? Or do they mean one specific stat but aren't telling. Same with "stability," is it actually just the Recoil stat?

[tropic torrent]

Anyone happen to know what Testament's added range is on a WSTR?

[bronze vigil]

is the Ares RG gold mod still disabled?

[lofty cedar]

They havent said anything in patch notes yet so should be

[bronze vigil]

damn 😔 my only gold

[sharp cypress]

prob percentage based like other mods, put it other shotty instead and make them smg range

[cinder quiver]

shotties were perfect in old marathon and doom. we need to do that again

[worn sorrel]

Gears of war shotgun

[potent nova]

chat whats the best recon build. I use regen ,knife fight and distance runner on vandal/destroyer. do i just go for ping duration and prime recovery?

also do mods like testament bypass the range limit or nah

[plush stump]

I do augmented capacitors, survival kit, and strike kit usually. Ping v4 is also good cause it effectively makes your ult last super long after it ends

[outer hull]

(Re: Accuracy, Stability, 1/2)

The Weapon stats screen is a bit weird,

My assumption is, that the stats that feel like Headers to different sections of the stats screen) are stats that are in the same category as the stats below them

Additionally, there are certain stat names that feel lifted from past Bungie Shooters (Destiny), and stability is definitely one of them,

The stability stat is not listed in the weapons screen, but in Destiny, the stability stat did multiple things

My current assumption is that if a gun has lots of recoil, I’ll try to improve its stability

[outer hull]

(2/2) As for Accuracy, I’d defer to someone else, because I always forget what cones are which, but I think it’s a fair assumption that the Accuracy stat is related to Bullet Spread (Hip, ADS, Crouched), and Bloom, but honestly it’s probably a separate stat???

[gusty shoal]

Ngl I think augmented capacitors is close to a must. With the sekgen 1 upgrade, you can get like 80 prime off aug v4 and that’s pretty solid.
You should def be building at least moderately into prime recovery.

Agreed on survival kit. I feel like knife fight is overrated. Although I’d probably prioritize a good perk on KF or Helping/Hurting Hands like Enzyme Suppressants or Impact Ping over a bad perk on Survival.
I also also like strike kit on legs, but I think bionic or distance runner are both fine.

The 30-40 recovery makes a difference for aug, but the 15-20 you get from strike/hurting hands after is less relevant imo, especially if you’re constantly under energy amp

[fallow cobalt]

It does not go past the max on any weapon. It's capped at 7m on the WSTR no matter what

Same goes for the AA but max AA cone on a sniper is insane

https://x.com/ritzzcar/status/2044489842092827063

[nimble cloud]

turns your bullets into semi trucks

[deft turtle]

Does v5 Ping+ (Pings persist on hostiles for short time after breaking line of sight) work with recon's ult?

[fallow cobalt]

Nope, it's tied to line of sight so unless you (or your teammates with Ping v5) are looking at someone that got pinged by Recon ult it will not do anything

[potent nova]

i tried the cannonball build but it lowkey sucks ngl, Im not 100% about this but i think it also makes the bullets hit walls way more easily so unless someones out in the open theyre way harder to hit

could also just be placebo tho, all I know is I took it off and started playing way better

also sometimes it just bugs and doesnt work

[potent nova]

does anyone know what the common enemy damage increase is and if it stacks? debating running 3 for compiler to see how fast it kills

[strong kraken]

just run 3x punishment that should be faster

[potent nova]

oh wait thats lowkey true I completely forgot about that

[potent nova]

wait compartmental mag bypasses the misriah range limit lmao

[deft sand]

Bits per second is faster for Bully due to the reload speed

[obsidian sparrow]

is there a build archive anywhere with strong builds for beginners?

[outer hull]

Not that I know of…

I know there are community resource websites, but they’re varying levels of quality & content

Your best bet honestly is to look for good content creators who make “beginner build” videos, and fast-forward to the part where they talk about the build, and save that info yourself, and maybe share it with folks who need it

[plain osprey]

Was just thinking how build-crafting is meaningless for me because I die every other game or two.

[outer hull]

Yeah… I definitely do a lot of “budget kit” runs, with stuff where I use stuff I can easily purchase for cheap from Armory

And so I’ll buildcraft off of green & even grey tier stuff that’s purchaseable

[fallow cobalt]

I wish they sold Sprint Kit and Strike Kit in the armory…

Having those and Survival Kit gives you near max stats in everything when you have all the upgrades that give stats

Survival Kit in general is probably a must have in all setups that don’t run Regen

[opal tundra]

Mannn I wish they sold nimble fingers 😩

[opal tundra]

If you need help for builds lmk I’ve mastered the techniques

[strong kraken]

buildcrafting is so fun in this game ngl

[coral shore]

are you supposed to ADS with the BR33 gold or nah

[steel girder]

you can but the whole point is not adsing

gains stat buffs / pretty much next to no spread / recoil when hipfiring

[coral shore]

yeah i know, i havent tried it yet and wasnt sure if the recoil/spread was bad or not (like if it was precise enough)

[steel girder]

br33 already is a pretty accurate gun, if you have a gold even when aiming in it likely is already very precise even when aiming

the gold mod just puts the cherry on top when not adsing

[fallow cobalt]

and it sounds so good 🤤

[outer hull]

What do folks run on a green/blue/purple tier Bully SMG, in terms of Chip Mods, and what stats do you personally prioritize for the Bully? (Range, Stability, something else?)

[gusty shoal]

range > everything else

the bully has strong enough base stats that the only real floodgate is range

you're generally just looking for a minimum of 30, which you can get with blue farsight

chip is usually QoL like pocket change or circuit tracers for ammo, but bits or slip is also pretty solid if that isn't an issue

[tropic torrent]

To add to the whole "hipfiring is the point" bit, you can ADS into a wall with it and then hipfire just next to it to see the difference in the recoil pattern. It's nearly pinpoint on the crosshair dot across all three shots on hipfire, while the ADS still has the vertical bounce of the default recoil and requires active compensation to get anywhere near as tight.

But of course ADS is still useful if you need some extra visual precision and can pull the shots together effectively. It's a very versatile gun.

[coral shore]

noted, thanks for the detail!

[outer hull]

Thank you, much appreciated!

[onyx arch]

Dude the copperhead is poo

[toxic tiger]

Kinda late to this but the most meta option imo is the aim assist brake with a sight optic and whatever you want for mag. I lean toward hollow case but whatever works

[outer hull]

Gotcha

[gusty shoal]

suppressor is also very good

makes fighting from an off-angle much better and is also just a general QOL to help make your rotates a bit sneakier

[outer hull]

Yep, I’m a big fan of suppressor, oftentimes will do Rook runs just for the benefit of getting some

Speaking of suppressors… do people just push range on V11 Punch as well, or should I be focusing on Aim Assist or something else in addition to range?

[cursive fern]

Guys is the mips slug converter any good? cant it compete with a misriah at all?

[drowsy copper]

if you head headshots yeah

[glad sinew]

range attachments usually improve the cones too

v11 is pretty fire

[cursive fern]

nah without, just a regular slick mag'd miz

[tropic torrent]

Competitive enough on TTK against slicks if you can 1H1B, especially from a weird angle where you have a significantly earlier first shot

Better against extra/reloader/compartmental mag, but getting inside the range is a challenge unless they're kind of braindead

[unkempt musk]

How have yall been using the gold railguns? I feel like they are pretty fun but a little underwhelming as “snipers”

[gusty shoal]

They’re closer to midrange shotguns

Zeus especially given the kick. It’s alot easier to 2tap at 40-50

[unkempt musk]

Hmmm, interesting

I’ll have to bring the area to cryo tomorrow (maybe)

[sharp cypress]

hipfire them, apparently its pretty accurate

[lapis light]

WSTR for PVE, CE Pistol for PVP-

[cinder quiver]

wstr for pve, what a generational downgrade

[wet harness]

you're 100% below level 100

WSTR for PVE is insane

[fallow cobalt]

Magnum MC for PvE guys trust!!!

nah but fr they gotta buff the magnum ts is so ass 😭

[cinder quiver]

i quite like it

its not as good as punch but unlike 90% of this server i don't mind starting a rook run with it

but i like unmodded overrun too so maybe im crazy

[sharp cypress]

you're crazy

[dusk aspen]

brain people
question
how are weapon stat bonuses calculated ?
currently if i apply a blue Midsight optic on a base scar it remover 5.5 % of moving inaccuracy
if i apply instead a hipshot dampner and the Midsight opting the same midsight optic removes 12.3% movement inaccuracy
HOW?

[lapis light]

It one shots most bots

I took care of 3 elites and a commander in under 30 seconds with it and one claymore

[lapis light]

56, WSTR has never done well for me in PVE lol but the Misriah... That's another story

(also that was mainly a joke but I do like the WSTR VS bots)

[tropic torrent]

To clarify, you're saying that on the same gun, midsight decreases moving inaccuracy by a different amount depending on whether the suppression dampener is already attached?

[dusk aspen]

Yes
And yes
I noticed on the scar and the overrun AR

Overrun is the same optic and the sturdy grip

Also on the impact Har the rangefinder optic gives + 50M of range while it gives way less on other guns

What gives ?

[tropic torrent]

A lot of the bonuses seem to be percentage based (as in, percentage of gun's base value for a stat), which I think is the H-AR's case -- Far Reach gives a large range bonus to anything that slots it, but H-AR has huge base range, so the actual number in metres comes out higher.

The moving inaccuracy is a bit strange, though. Only intended behavior that comes to mind as a possibility is that the game calculates that bonus as multiplicative rather than additive.

[dusk aspen]

maybe on some stats are and some are not
because recoil doesn't seem multiplicative
on most weapons .....

[onyx arch]

is there a map somewhere that shows where the security tags spawn on cryo archive? i see videos of people that are like 1 or 2 short of a level so they thief drone and they instantly know where to go to pick them up

[lofty cedar]

Not that i know of, but for control; u can check the benches and every tabletop

Kinda applies to the whole map tbh, but there are some floor spawns

[onyx arch]

Okay sweet

Thank you

[lofty cedar]

just careful if ur pushing mid for keycards/screens now, ppl are starting to actually do that so youll be contesting fo rit

[onyx arch]

okey

[lofty cedar]

if u ever figure out where the spawn room boss is, you can push that for the screens and keycards

[fallow cobalt]

I still rarely see anyone push control for tags at 2 mins. You can also just have one person rush control after getting clearance 1 and look for tags/monitors while the other people clear the 2nd spawn room

Staying in your spawn and waiting for the respawn to get clearance 2 is probably more suicidal than rushing control now. Mainly because teams that are rushing control hear you kill ads and then gank you

Unless you’re in low level bot lobbies then you’re good 😊

[gusty shoal]

Not getting security 2 honestly just limits the team so much

You can also get a recon ult up in the first minute or so if you have energy amps, so it’s not like you’ll get insta jumped

[sharp cypress]

me jumping the team next to my poi cause rng and got 2 moni in the first room

but fr rng for moni sucks

[gusty shoal]

Deadass though. Is there ever a reason not to just spawn rush if you get 2 monitors

[sharp cypress]

i rmb that time we actually wiped 3 team by spawnrushing cause rng

its so ass to be on the receiving side though

[gusty shoal]

Paranoia recon ults

[steel plank]

Anyone know how much health patch kits of the different types actually restores?

[sterile tulip]

Triage build: regardless of anything, you need at least one energy weapon as you can emp enemies when you use your circle ability. For secondary I would use rhe heavy pistol

[heady kite]

The magnum?

[nimble cloud]

it's a 3 tap against purple shields

iirc

[lofty cedar]

It does 66 per headshot so enemy should live 2 hp after 3 head

[nimble cloud]

oof

[sick meadow]

I think the game rounds up

[lofty cedar]

Idk i havent had the opportunity to use it well in combat cuz ppl bring gold miz

[molten fossil]

Anyone have detailed resources for stats and shit? things like how much tactical recovery actually does and what not

[plush stump]

Nah it’s 4 heads for purples

[gusty shoal]

each point of prime is a 0.5% cooldown decrease. I'd imagine it's the same for tactical

[viscid tartan]

how is the heavy machine gun for pvp? seems a bit too slow to reliably kill runners

wondering if i should just move all the mods from my purple hmg to a retaliator

[plush stump]

Hmg is like a precision rifle pretty much

It’s pretty good

[south temple]

Do we have anybody working on a database/spreadsheet including unique weapons? I just exfilled with a Victory Lap (blue unique volley rifle) and could add its stats if we don't have it yet

Damn images aren't allowed in here huh. It's got slightly better hipfire spread, ADS speed, weight, aim assist, and reload speed than a standard BR33 with the same attachments

Hipfire spread: 2.1
ADS speed: 0.3
Weight: 22.0
Aim assist: 2.05 (inclusive of 0.29 from tru-shot barrel)
Reload speed: 1.94 (inclusive of -0.42 from feather mag)

[outer hull]

I’m sure there’s people working on this, but there hasn’t yet been any coordination of “here’s a short list of all the community members who are working on Google Sheets of various stats and things”

[south temple]

Good to know, thanks. I ask because i noticed that the databases (tauceti.gg, etc.) don't really have this info. Anyway, i'm sure i'm going to die and lose this thing on my first mission with it, which is why i transcribed the info above for posterity lol

[outer hull]

Yep, it’s only been two and a half months, and stuff like websites / Google Sheets requires one or more hardworking people with free time, to devote to not playing the game, and instead doing research, information gathering & data entry 😔

There are definitely Google Sheets for other stuff (like where to find salvage, for example), as well as creators and sites who have made well-designed infographics, but stuff like “here’s all the weapons in the game, with important details” is harder to come by

[rose parcel]

does anyone know does copperhead gold mod still do less damage than normal copperhead?

[plush stump]

That thing does more damage

I got shredded in less than half a second by it, I was on a free kit but still

[rose parcel]

i saw somewhere each bullet damage is reduced to 30 percent, which is a bit less than a third so its dps would be less?

i cant see anything in the patch notes about this changing at any point

[plush stump]

Reduced by 30%, not to 30%

[rose parcel]

ah

[deft sand]

so it goes from 100 -> 210%

of the damage per trigger pull

[wild mica]

Is the CE tactical sidearm ever good?

Is there a way to make it good and fun?

[gusty shoal]

no and no

jk the gold mod is kinda fun but it's still bad

[viscid wing]

Stealth mission ah mod

[glacial plume]

NEED TO ADD a way to build a kit and compress it into a sponsor kit size box, once it’s compressed its like a free kit you cant change or add anything you cant take it apart. Its locked in as a kit. And you limit the amount of kits you can have in your stash, like 10 only or something. This would help so much

[night snow]

Imagine u forget to put smth and its locked

[sharp scroll]

I'd like this a lot but allow it to be changed and named. If you have the various items to make the kit, you can do a copy. Would make it a lot easier to have a preferred build easily available

[outer hull]

The only time I’d say the CE Tactical good, is as a silenced weapon, when you have nothing else, and even then, its role is definitely to be a weapon you bring in as a backup, and then replace with something else that you find during a run.

(There’s a chance the dev team will buff the CE Tactical in a future season, but it currently lives in a space where it’s designed to be a low cost weapon that is the start of someone’s base kit, and is for new players, as well as a Rook starting kit.)

^ It also doesn’t help that the CE Tactical has to compete with the V11 Punch, a weapon that also can be suppressed, and is a much better low cost weapon, that performs the CE Tact’s roles, and has additional features

[potent veldt]

Which underbarrel mod is the best for the Misraiah?

Besides range, idk which stat is the most valuable between aim assist, spread angle, or maybe even recoil

[ocean zenith]

where can i buy pistol mods?

[gusty shoal]

Spread angle

It’s also just effective range

[tropic torrent]

That's the neat part -- you can't

[ocean zenith]

aaah man

[lofty cedar]

Cant really, only mods are on the green and blue punch/ce tac

Then for both, muzzle mods are on traxus (i think ce shares same muzzles as other balistic weapons)

[outer hull]

This season, Faction Vendors have specific weapon type focuses:

For Traxus:

• Assault Rifles
• Precision Rifles
• SMGs
• Volt Weapons

For Arachne:

• Machine Guns
• Railguns
• Shotguns

^ If the weapon you’re trying to get mods for does not share mods with weapons in the above categories (or you’re looking for a mod not in vendor’s inventory) you probably will have to look in weapon mod containers out in the world

(There are some exceptions for this, like for example, getting the Lvl 1 Traxus upgrade with Rook, so that Rook spawns with a CE Tact or V11 Punch that has a suppressor mod and other mods, and then exfilling with those mods)

[plush stump]

Long range barrel, adds range and spread angle

[rose parcel]

why are the wikis so bad every page i see says the hardline pr uses light rounds

im watching a yt video i jus wanna know what the gold mod does for the hardline but its literally impossible to find that info, about other weapons too
tried looking for info for the copperhead mod and wikis stated the gold mod for it was something else, that could be equiped to any of the smgs... which is not how gold mods work

[lofty cedar]

hardline gold gives heat cap and agi on headshots, copper head splits each shot into 3 rounds that do less dmg per bullet

[gusty shoal]

take a look at marathondb instead of, like, the fandom wiki

[rose parcel]

i do use it but even that doesnt have all the info about gun mods or shell cores etc

[lyric aspen]

does testament let bully go over its max range?

[ruby peak]

Man, are Shield Mods on LMGs as good as they seem? Seems to block a lot of dmg

[outer hull]

I have not checked to see if anyone has done testing on Machine Gun shield mechanics, but I am curious because it would be nice to know how much damage they take before breaking, and if there are any other mechanics that are good to know (and if higher rarity shield mods provide more benefits aside from weapon stats)

[lofty cedar]

Higher rarity pretty sure regens faster

[oblique axle]

makes or breaks the gun

[viscid tartan]

is control shield the best, it seems to have the most durability

[tropic torrent]

I don't think so; I had a question about it a while back and someone mentioned it hits the hardcap for whatever gun like any other mod. I haven’t seen rigorous testing, though.

[lofty cedar]

I dont think any have different hp stats? But i wouldnt know since i dont test stuff

[timid zealot]

what does gold circuit breaker even do now after the nerf

[lofty cedar]

The stat increases it normally gives; reload speed, i think less drain and mag cap, more dmg on third charge

[ruby peak]

I know they eventually run out, but do they have any downside at all?

[lofty cedar]

Other than it being very visible, no

Just use it, it allows the lmg to actually be good

[ruby peak]

Oh yeah I for sure use it. Yeah I guess there's a slight glow.