#📚marathon-lore-discussion

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torpid briar
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So weve seen the first large UESC base with Outpost, the Perimeter and old main colony site, as well as the farmland marshes

Do you think we might see like more of a city map thats like the heart of New Cascadia?

latent python
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I'd totally be into that

craggy finch
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"We need anything: weapons, supplies, a way out, a way back"

latent python
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I definitely think that since they already have Dire Marsh, they need a few more maps that break up sightlines

craggy finch
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every map we've had is pretty sparse by design

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far from the actual residential structures

forest gate
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PATCH NOTES!

latent python
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Ooh are they juicy

craggy finch
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even Outpost is a temporary staging ground for new colonists

forest gate
craggy finch
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finally Arachne skins

forest gate
craggy finch
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my Destroyer going to get a red fit for snipers to hunt

dreamy hawk
eternal shell
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update seems to be available on steam

forest gate
stiff hearth
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note that it seems like the last part of the Notes accidentally got duplicated and so we’re kind of missing some of them

dreamy hawk
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A lot of things in those notes I'm hyped for. Sad I won't be able to play until the end of the week.

forest gate
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yeah it looks like we're missing the Recon changes

stiff hearth
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yeah

forest gate
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Everything on that list is fantastic I think

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Some nice changes all around

dreamy hawk
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Oh they forgot to paste that.

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There are shell updates, too.

stiff hearth
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ye

snow nacelle
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Within the setting, can an AI be copied, rampant or no?

forest gate
dreamy hawk
craggy finch
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to what extent is unknown but Tycho is on par with Durandal so it could be like a super computer vs a space tech god essentially

snow nacelle
dreamy hawk
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That's the most accepted idea, here, so yes to the original question.

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Durandal + DuranDEA

craggy finch
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Durandal could probably make a clone without making it dumb anyway, the Pfhor don't seem to have an understanding of the tech they copy

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another proto Covenant thing

forest gate
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I can see why they didn't hype up the Vandal changes lol

snow nacelle
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That and also the idea about whether all the UESC bots run versions of Cerberus or if there is one that can puppet any/all of them

craggy finch
dreamy hawk
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All the ones in TCIV are tethered to Cerberus, except the command shells, like Orions.

eternal shell
dreamy hawk
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And yeah, big war crime back home.

shell sable
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why ais there no phfor in Marathon right now

forest gate
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Do we have any specs on Cerberus?

craggy finch
dreamy hawk
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I don't think so. Or at least not a lot.

forest gate
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I have to wonder if there's an even bigger AI named Hades

spare bison
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I wander what Cyacme is up to in the lore w/ C.A.R.R.I

dreamy hawk
spare bison
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Also hi been a minute lol !!

craggy finch
forest gate
spare bison
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Huh? Wdum?

dreamy hawk
craggy finch
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with the Pfhor being bug dudes coasting on the scavenged tech of something else, I'm wondering if Bungie will do Destiny's Fallen approach with the new Pfhor as the remnants of a dead empire

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more desperate and scrappy

craggy finch
forest gate
# spare bison Huh? Wdum?

In a way CyAc are our handlers, they don't seem to have any antagonism towards any of the other corpos but by encouraging runners to work together they maybe making it harder for the other corpos to manipulate runners against each other

craggy finch
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we get exp from just finishing runs

dreamy hawk
forest gate
spare bison
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Tbh I dont like the: oh i am from this and you are from that i gotta k u sorry!

forest gate
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From a gameplay POV this is bungie's catch up mechanic and co-operation carrot

spare bison
shell sable
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A few questions for the Lore Buffs in here.
What exactly is happening on Tau Ceti? From the short film we saw the Pfhor invading (?) rather early on and now the planet is abandoned and UESC is blocking it while corperation factions are racing to get their hands on any and everything not nailed to the floor.

Anyone have any theories on whats going on?
Also, the entire weird vibes with Shadows either inner-monologue or maybe one of the coperations AIs rampit mumblings?

craggy finch
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^ignore him btw

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troll

craggy finch
sage lark
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its a copypaste message from an earlier message yesterday

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fcking loser

forest gate
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good of them to embrace it

craggy finch
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hopefully they listen to my grievances, specifically, which I base on my own subjective experience Medbothappyicon

forest gate
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Haha

craggy finch
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add Pfhor, Bungie, you will get five Marabillion players if you do that

forest gate
dreamy hawk
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I somehow doubt that as much as I want to see them. lol

craggy finch
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It's Marathoning time, then I did a run

forest gate
craggy finch
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no that's crazy

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do not be alarmed by memories of an unfamiliar past

forest gate
craggy finch
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which is why I'm wondering about the Fallen direction

forest gate
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Who knows maybe the Pfhor are now split along idealogical lines

dreamy hawk
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I don't think an evil slavey space empire is proprietary to just Halo though.

craggy finch
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They have the whole enemy variety gimmick and Covenant re-used a lot of design elements

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Literally the Hunter was just turned into the same guy but worms

forest gate
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The covenant isn't slavery coded per se

dreamy hawk
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It would make sense we're post S'pht rebellion, but other than that I could see the Pfhor still resembling their orignal selves.

forest gate
craggy finch
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only jackals are mercenaries

snow nacelle
craggy finch
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elites and brutes are genuine fanatics

dreamy hawk
forest gate
craggy finch
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The TOX WARDEN's arsenal is engineered to deliver toxic payloads to disperse or eliminate enemy threats. Their use of chemical warfare in defense of the UESC's fragile jurisdiction in the TAU CETI system is another example of the UESC's willingness to forego established Rules of Engagement.

sage lark
craggy finch
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I find it funny how ONI's commentary seems to really have it out for UESC

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she really doesn't like them

forest gate
craggy finch
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I don't think grunts even believe

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they'll just be glassed or executed en masse if they tried anything

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and that did happen

forest gate
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True, true

craggy finch
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hunters are also threatened with extinction while engineers are just subservient in general

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basically Halo hunters are a blend of Pfhor hunters with the lore of Drinniol

forest gate
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I guess the religious fanaticism side of the Covenant always resonated with me more than the force servitude of the other species within it

craggy finch
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the fanaticism happens to occupy the most militarily/physically powerful species🤔

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Prophets likely used the carrot method rather than the stick employed on less able species

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Elites essentially occupied the Pfhor niche anyway

shell sable
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what patch is this?

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whoops wrong channel haha !

forest gate
shell sable
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is Halo lore related to Marathon lore

strong anvil
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Yknow, the more I read and hear about Orion, the more I think he's going to grow into a sort of protagonist story-wise

latent python
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Grow into?

wooden wyvern
latent python
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Many people here already stan

wooden wyvern
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i wouldnt be surprised if he started like a defacto uesc offshoot

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and hires us

latent python
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Though I do think there are like 50/50 odds between him becoming a quest-giver or a boss fight

wooden wyvern
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oooo

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boss would be interesting

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just waves and waves and waves of uesc

latent python
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1% chance of both

forest gate
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Basically he’s more nuanced than initially thought

snow nacelle
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He's also under such enormous pressure for "results" that it's easy to contemplate him paying Runners to collect some things for him.

While I love the "enemy team up" idea that doesn't even mean that we'd be seen as friendly to the bots if it's covert.

strong anvil
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I would love to see him using that old MIDA connection as a sort of middleman though I doubt they'd agree lol

robust vale
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Orion giving us jobs but the UESC remaining hostile would be neat

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“I don’t want to do this but I have no choice.” Sort of thing

eternal shell
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"i tried to add you to the whitelist but i think i ended up giving them grenades instead"

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"huh apparently this isnt the first time this has happened"

grand walrus
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"doubling the hostility of the bots so no one gets suspicous" type shit lol

craggy finch
robust vale
craggy finch
eternal shell
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"i messed up a copy paste and now somehow there's twice as many runners in the zone"

robust vale
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Wait that would be a really funny event

strong anvil
robust vale
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“Yeah there’s runners everywhere now. Sorry.”

craggy finch
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hardlines for everybody

strong anvil
craggy finch
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MIDA hates corporations but felt they needed to make an exception for this case

eternal shell
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megacorps do get full benefit of mass-scale production after all

strong anvil
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How do y'all think items like the ammo crates work? Is it like a compression thing or are we closer to programmable matter like destiny

robust vale
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Compression

craggy finch
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looks like the teleport effect

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for UESC I mean

eternal shell
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3d printer

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(single use)

robust vale
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There’s a lot of 3d printing going on marathon I think

strong anvil
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True..

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I want more insight into items like that honestly, I feel like there's tons we could glean from even the simple stuff

forest gate
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Bet if Orion gives us stuff it’ll be via killing commanders to loot of their corpses.

craggy finch
craggy finch
forest gate
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RIP

eternal shell
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it may be hilariously inaccurate but i'd take it over an unmodded hardline

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that grenade launcher slaps

craggy finch
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yeah fuck it, give us a retro weapon set

eternal shell
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give us DOUBLE SHOTTIES

craggy finch
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M1 AR with the accuracy of a tommy gun on full auto

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can't hit the broadside of the Empire State Building

forest gate
eternal shell
craggy finch
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the gun is horseshit from a practical battlefield standpoint but it found a niche in the specific corridors of the UESC Marathon

eternal shell
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old marathon took place at much shorter distances in general

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it does fine on llhowon too

craggy finch
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That was a lore upgrade from Durandal

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in story he had the S'pht engineer out all the flaws of the original

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which he calls a piece of garbage

eternal shell
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lol i just remembered the m2 manual dunks on the m1 AR then gives you a cooler looking one that is just as inaccurate

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"recoil like wrestling a greasy pig"

craggy finch
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I suppose from a diagetic POV it works better in the open spaces of M2 maps

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while the M1 AR has only functioned storywise in cramped areas

dreamy hawk
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I’m on a plane, now, which begs the obvious question: do you think BoBs were served inflight peanuts? Did they prefer ginger ale, or one of the inferior other choices?

eternal shell
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they dined on nothing but the finest of frogblasted vent cores

cosmic forge
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Hey guys can someone help me understand what goop means in the context of Marathon and maybe it's lore?

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I know that goop = loot, right? But I don't know why people call it that.

eternal shell
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it's just slang for cool loot

cosmic forge
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But why? How did it become popularized?

drifting garnet
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...yeah I've wondered as wel when the term became "goop"

eternal shell
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good question

drifting garnet
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other then maybe "loot sounds too evil"

cosmic forge
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When I hear goop i think of that weirdo company by Gwyneth Paltrow. I don't think of exciting video game loot.

cosmic forge
plucky sierra
strong anvil
plucky sierra
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probably from the peanut guy

latent python
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Oh is that a peanutism

eternal shell
drifting garnet
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...yeah I don't get it either. "loot" has worked fine for me

latent python
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Looks like it started elsewhere but the peanut picked it up

cosmic forge
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loot = 4 chars, goop 4 chars. Goop sounds bio, sounds oddly charged. Loot is a term I have been using since the original diablo 2 lol.

stone cosmos
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Where'd the goop thing get started? o_O

forest gate
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GOOP

eternal shell
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oh that's good

forest gate
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Like M.E.T.A means Most Effective Tactics Available

eternal shell
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i think that one happened after the fact

dense tendon
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they are both bacronyms

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its not that complex. loot = stuff. goop = stuff. you get both from dead guys.

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its jus being comedically vague. like callin it "shinies"

dreamy hawk
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People are calling it “goop” now? Gosh I’m out of the loop.

earnest hatch
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Apparently there’s a mercy kit now in the game. Lets you revive enemy runners.

stiff hearth
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gear off other people

dreamy hawk
stiff hearth
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we need rook emotes here

earnest hatch
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🤖

dense tendon
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the gear off other people thing is a fine explanation, but its just as much of a bacronym as "meta = most effective tool/tactic available" or "rpg = rocket propelled grenade."

stiff hearth
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well yeah lol

eternal shell
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rpg is a backronym?

dense tendon
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also its neat they're adding a thing you can do to people other than kill them. just makes it funnier when i do.

warm thicket
dense tendon
# eternal shell rpg is a backronym?

yeah it stands for some russian phrase i forget the specifics but mostly means "portable anti-tank grenade" or some such. nothing about rockets.

craggy finch
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Gwyneth Paltrow got into extraction shooter marketing

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New loot able gear is snatch rocks

dense tendon
eternal shell
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huh

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makes sense i guess, being a russian weapon

forest gate
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Loot - pve enemies, goop PvP enemies I guess

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I just call it all loot.

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I’m too old to be want to change my terminology

eternal shell
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yeah im not gonna call it goop either

forest gate
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Loot allows you to also refer to it as booty

austere elk
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okay general is being terrible as usual why are we talking about rpgs.

forest gate
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I appreciate booty

dense tendon
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they tell me they're adding a mercy kit to the game. do you know what immediate plan i form?
if i find one, the next fight i win after, i'm dropping it in front of their DBNO selves. staring at it for a sec. picking it back up.
then finishing them.

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c'est la guerre, mon ami.

austere elk
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you could do this already with self revives

dense tendon
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it means more with mercy kits. because they only have the purpose of what i'm denying them.

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i carried that around just to taunt someone.

forest gate
austere elk
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yeah but with the SR kit you can let them start it before you skin them

dense tendon
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i don't think you understand how spite works

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or get the joke, really.

sick tiger
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this guy clearly doesnt know how to torture someone

austere elk
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I don't think you do either

sick tiger
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taunting with an item only designed to help them vs with an item u had 3 of anyways, the BM is much stronger with a mercy kit

dense tendon
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i don't get my own joke about spite or i don't get how my own spite works?

forest gate
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Arachne Edgelords 🤣

austere elk
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whichever you feel more comfortable with admitting

eternal shell
dense tendon
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i feel very comfortable admitting that this is a completely unnecessary defense of a perfectly excusable misunderstanding and we could jus like not get bogged down in this

austere elk
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yeah but it's funny to see how far we could go on

dense tendon
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i suppose, yeah. that changes the bit.

austere elk
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I, personally, just feel that letting them think 'oh hey I am doing the action of self-reviving, I have a chance' and then stabbing is funnier

forest gate
dense tendon
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and i personally think carrying a 2x2 item around that grants no advantage in the name of a power move is incredible comedy.

forest gate
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Is it though?

austere elk
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its 2x2? why, god

dense tendon
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arent all the revives or am i misremembering

austere elk
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no?

dense tendon
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i guess its less funny if its just 1

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swear there were bigger medkits that took more spots but imma be real its not a hill i'm dyin on.

austere elk
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I don't think I've seen any meds that take more than 1

dense tendon
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they're dying on it. cuz i'm not using the mercy kit on em.

austere elk
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lol

dense tendon
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see, i can make the joke work

forest gate
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Maybe I’m a stick in the mud but I fail to see the humour in taunting people with the mercy kit

dense tendon
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taunts are funny

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i am playing a pvp game to fight other people. i want to do that.

forest gate
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Subjective clearly

dense tendon
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the thing about ARC vs Marathon is that they aren't really competitors. one is mostly pve and heavily discourages pvp. one is meant to be the pvp one.

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if you didn't want to get slapped by arachne slapmen you should joined an ARC lobby.

austere elk
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I dunno about discourages, but certainly rewards not doing it

dense tendon
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i am here for your skin

forest gate
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🤷‍♂️

dense tendon
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if the rat gets the food if it goes left instead of right, is it not also fair to say the rat gets the food if it doesn't go right?

forest gate
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If I beat someone in a gunfight I just finish them and move on. Gloating about seems a bit excessive. I already won.

dense tendon
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i had a match a while back, me and a guy traded. both DBNO. he started screamin in prox chat about how i must love the taste of legos.

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i thought that was funny, so i told him he was right

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we then made caveman noises at each other while UESC drones came to eat us.

forest gate
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How bizarre

dense tendon
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right as my team is fighting tooth and nail to clear out the room, he says "do you ever wish your team was there for you?"

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laughing hysterically, i tell him "they're here for me now, so no." and he makes the saddest "aw" i've ever heard out of a grown man, before being taken out by a teammate's stray bullet.

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the teammate didn't even realize he was there, he had proxchat off, he heard none of that exchange and was jus confused why i was laughing so much

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point is, its a game. the rules of the game are to engage in violent conflict. the point of the game is fun. i don't kill my enemy because i hate him, i try to outgun the other guy cuz thats what we're both here for.

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trashtalk is a major part of any competition. and its not like i'm sittin there listin off a litany of reasons they suck and failed and whatever. i'm jus doin the ol chris tucker in friday.

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"oh, you got knocked da fuggout man!"

forest gate
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You do you boo boo

dense tendon
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yeah. despite my tendency to talk words about anything, this isn't a deep one. i'm jus havin fun, they're havin fun. its fun.

earnest hatch
dense tendon
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the players have loot

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if you kill the players before they have loot, they can never take the loot from you

stiff hearth
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you can only carry so much loot lol

dense tendon
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if they try to take it from you, they will have to kill you

earnest hatch
dense tendon
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so like all three of those combine to a single point

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which is that there's not a single scenario where its not the safer bet to jus shoot on sight.

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or rather, contact.

earnest hatch
plucky sierra
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The point of the game is to kill players

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you collect loot, get upgrades, do vaults for more loot even kill the compiler to get better gear for killing players

earnest hatch
forest gate
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I thought the point of the game was to complete contracts

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Heh

latent python
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I thought the point of the game was to unlock codex entries

forest gate
earnest hatch
forest gate
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PvP is optional most of the time

latent python
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(that was a little facetious, but comes with a point: games can be many things for many players)

forest gate
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Oh and fuckin Unsanctioned hostilities 3/5

earnest hatch
dense tendon
# earnest hatch Trash talk is not a major part of any competition. That’s just an immature persp...

alright im gonna be so real the immature assertion here is where i'm gonna say this is not ever going to be a constructive conversation between us. you are free to talk about it with others but i would request that you not continue with me.
because to be blunt its immature to assert that the core jockeying for position inherent to competition is objectively not a major part of any competition, which includes communication between competitors. i also find it somewhat coddling to act as if i'm suggesting verbal abuse or harassment be normalized when i'm saying that the absolutely normal shit that's been jokes and jabs between athletes and rivals since the dawn of contests.

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so there's either a path where we both agree to disagree or there's a path where the word's i'm saying actually get engaged with but there's no path where this includes a value judgement that doesn't get piss.

dense tendon
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marathon is aimed at people who don't mind their interface with the looting be slick hyperviolence. ARC is aimed at a less rigorous/uptempo fanbase. which is mostly ARC's appeal. cuz it boils down extraction shooters to games less like spreadsheets than the traditional offerings.

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broader appeal due to simpler, more mellow design. that's not at all a bad thing. it's a different intent producing a different product.

earnest hatch
# dense tendon alright im gonna be so real the immature assertion here is where i'm gonna say t...

You’re entire comment is shifting goalposts and arguing with strawmen.

You said trash talk is a major part of any competition.

In this reply you say “it’s immature to assert that the core jockeying for position”. I never asserted that. Trash talk is not jockeying for position.

You mention “communication between competitors” which is not the same thing as trash talk.

You accuse me of saying you’re suggesting verbal abuse or harassment be normalized which I never did. I even said in my original comment “I’m not saying trash talk is awful or should be banned. Nothing like that.”

So literally you’re just lying through your teeth all because I said trash talk isn’t a major part of any competition. Which is factually true. Most competitions in the world do not involve competitors trash talking.

dense tendon
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marathon knows that anyone who's into it will be willing to get into it.

normal jackal
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forget discussing marathon lore, y'all are generating your own here. anyone ever find out which food is canonically denoted NuCal 420?

idle sapphire
normal jackal
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i pray that's in the codex somewhere that'd be so damn funny

dense tendon
# earnest hatch You’re entire comment is shifting goalposts and arguing with strawmen. You said...

so if we're gettin into it then, by all means, get into it. stop fixating on random words and actually read the messages.
i said that, yes.
i describe your refutation of trash talk as that, which is further elaborated in the very line that is being cherry picked there.
i mention communication between competitors in a very specific context, which i then go on to explain.
i'm describing the seemingly aggressive rejection of my statement as if i were suggesting that. which you can say you're not saying is the intention but not actually getting to a point and just going "you're wrong" is not an argument.
this perceived aggression is further solidified by your reaction of accusing me of lying in very strong words, reiterating the "factual truth" of your rejection, and then ignoring literally anything that isn't directly rules of the game to declare that it doesn't happen despite press, interviews, locker room exchanges, postgame parties, etc, all things that do happen and are quite involved in most games, actually.
hell, yall ever been to a weigh in for a boxing match?

normal jackal
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coyote for the love of all things holy, put down this this server and go get a law degree

earnest hatch
latent python
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Are we still trying to establish whether taunting is funny or kind of mean

forest gate
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Yep

dense tendon
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so i'm seeing you're tryna pick the topic where this includes value judgements, which i straight up said was not a thing happening. taking my attempt to pre-empt the shit you're doing now as the reason to do it is suck, actually. so is whatever the sympathy for my "clients" thing is. so yknow, i have a solution.

latent python
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Does coyote know that

forest gate
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I definitely lean towards kinda mean

latent python
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Yeah same

earnest hatch
dense tendon
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there. problem solved. i no longer have to watch someone amp up to be a jerk unwarranted and then act shocked when i ask him to not be a jerk. block is good.

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having control over your interactions is good.

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if you don't want to fight guys, don't play the game about fighting guys.

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don't turn on prox chat if you don't wanna hear people talk they shit

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if you're opting in to enter the jerk factory, i assume you want to make jerk.

earnest hatch
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I want to loot cool scifi stuff and learn cool scifi stories in the game about looting cool scifi stuff and learning about cool scifi stories.

dense tendon
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so don't blame me because i made a joke when i outshot you.

forest gate
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I love this screen name “Quantum Anchovie”

normal jackal
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coyote we are random people on the internet whom you do not know irl and who have zero influence on your life outside this server. nothing we say or do can ever reflect on you, nor can it affect your life in any way you don't let it.
you are under no obligation to respond to any of us, no matter how wrong we seem or how much ragebait is thrown your way - you can just. let people be wrong on the internet. don't gotta jump in

earnest hatch
dense tendon
normal jackal
forest gate
normal jackal
dense tendon
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i think its actually wack that i can have someone start hurlin insults from minute one, i say "hey, i didn't like that statement actually, here's why" and i'm somehow at fault for this

earnest hatch
normal jackal
dense tendon
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if you respond to "hey can we not call each other immature" with "actually you're a liar and you're pushing goalposts and strawmen and lying" then like

normal jackal
cinder vine
forest gate
earnest hatch
dense tendon
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aight so what's actually happening is i'm grousing that yall are lookin at a guy calling me immature, me sayin "don't do that, i'm willing to talk about it but not if you're gonna approach that way," him gettin piss about it, and me blocking him as anything you can assign fault to me for.

earnest hatch
cinder vine
dreamy hawk
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I see we’re having a good time this morning.

earnest hatch
cinder vine
dense tendon
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so what's actually happening is that you guys are bein annoyingly obtuse and blaming me for trying to avoid a fight with a guy who has objectively responded to criticism with jumping up several rollercoasters of upset.

normal jackal
dense tendon
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so what's actually happening is i'm saying you guys should think.

forest gate
normal jackal
cinder vine
dense tendon
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i'm gonna be real, i'm not encouraged to be nice when yall see a guy insult me, and get mad when i explain that i don't like it.

forest gate
#

Need to do like Martin Lawrence in Bad Boys 2 and start rubbing your ears

dense tendon
earnest hatch
normal jackal
dreamy hawk
#

Fun fact: teaba**ing is automoddable.

cinder vine
forest gate
earnest hatch
normal jackal
dreamy hawk
forest gate
dense tendon
earnest hatch
dense tendon
#

because the FIRST thing i say is "don't call me immature or we can't have this conversation in a way that isn't a fight"

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you can call me manipulative because i have a memory longer than five minutes, its okay

cinder vine
#

I know how to scroll up, so yes, I did, and I know how to read, and again, I think you're used to your manipulation working other places but not here, and you're mad.

forest gate
cinder vine
#

LOL. Okay.

dense tendon
normal jackal
# dreamy hawk Here, yes.

iiiiiinteresting - I got automodded for recommending that someone play a song by the rapper who famously released "trap queen" in 2014, I think his name's banned as well

dreamy hawk
#

I’m going to enjoy my peanuts and ginger ale and check back with y’all in a bit. 😘👋

cinder vine
#

Me, having just read the entire conversation in one sitting, not needing to have "a memory longer than five minutes" to know how it took place

dense tendon
#

then you clearly need a better grasp on reading

dreamy hawk
forest gate
dense tendon
#

oh, to be clear, i'm not being civil now on purpose, yes. you have long since stopped.

cinder vine
dense tendon
#

how the FUCK did i start shit. explain it to me.

#

you can say it happened all you want but i've asked how several times.

#

if you don't explain then its never going to change, is it?

#

i'm never going to learn if people jus go "oh its ur fault fk off" every time, am i?

normal jackal
#

okay imma go make lunch seeya. coyote turn off your router and your sim and go stare at a river until this conversation stops mattering to you. the rest of y'all, GL

cinder vine
#

You can read your own words, it's not up to me to be your mommy and explain it to you, because I guarantee you've had this shit explained to you many, many times and nothing has ever changed. I'm just going to block you so your drivel doesn't clog my screen

dense tendon
#

so even if you're right, then what purpose does you being an ass to me serve?

#

you're just sniping at an acceptable target by your own fuckin metric

forest gate
autumn pollen
#

the perk icon in destiny is such a dam good visual symbol of all these complex descriptions, why just use this kind of thing in marathon

forest gate
dense tendon
#

you can block me and avoid the shit YOU started, that's allowable. you can order a problem and then deny delivery, the mailman can't invade your home.

#

i'm jus not going to pretend you aren't fuckin callin me a manipulator, dodging the question of what that even means, and then running away.

#

because the ENTIRE point i was tryna make from the first before chucklenuts up there called me immature, (which i said "don't do that, it comes across like an insult, insults aren't constructive to conversations," then explained how it could just as easily be applied to him, que shitfit YALL blame me for) was that you gotta understand what you do when you do it.

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walking into situations you don't want can often be avoided if you think - a foreign concept! but try. and one thought that would have avoided all of this is that the guy who lays out that he is unwilling to talk to you if you insult him is probably not trying to fight you!

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oh, now i am. because why the HELL would i make yall liars?

#

gonna go now. consider that if you guys think i'm always fightin when given the chance, why would you purposefully give me more chances by throwin insults?

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is that manipulation? don't care. if i'm right, its good advice. if you're right, still good advice.

dreamy hawk
#

Did General Reed have a mustache? I picture him with a walrus or something but that probably wouldn’t be super befitting a military man.

eternal shell
#

you're kidding right, he probably has a kaiser level of a moustache

dreamy hawk
#

Handlebars?

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Who are you? The @eternal shell I know is green.

lunar cove
eternal shell
#

channel hopping

earnest hatch
eternal shell
#

turns out you can just do that

dreamy hawk
eternal shell
#

then you're really going to dislike this

dreamy hawk
#

Already hate it.

#

I’m preemptively worked up.

eternal shell
#

oh yeah it's mida time

dreamy hawk
#

That’s closer to the green so actually I’m not that mad.

earnest hatch
#

The new Arachne skins look really cool. I wonder why they only added them now? The requirement is just extract with an Arachne kit.

dreamy hawk
#

Gotta collect my new triage skin skin for when I skin others.

strong anvil
dense tendon
#

so, nothing. over.

#

it be lore time now.

forest gate
plucky sierra
strong anvil
#

I should probably read through it but honestly it's easier to just block them both

forest gate
plucky sierra
#

easier but no real point

strong anvil
#

Do you think that guy who got woven into a shell by an out of control weaveworm suffered

dense tendon
#

so like that's not helpful

plucky sierra
forest gate
#

It doesn’t sound pleasant

plucky sierra
#

maybe there is biosythetic conditions when the weaveworms are messed up

dense tendon
#

i would presume he did not enjoy the experience, no.

strong anvil
#

Hopefully sekgen has some sorta failsafe in place for it now!

plucky sierra
forest gate
#

The very thought is making me itch all over

plucky sierra
#

you should check

forest gate
#

Nah, i just have psoriasis

dense tendon
#

let me check

#

i'm not a doctor, but i play one on broadway.

#

they usually ask me to leave the crosswalk.

normal jackal
dreamy hawk
dreamy hawk
plucky sierra
dreamy hawk
# plucky sierra oh?

Not specifically “under” the skin, but your pores are full of little mites and other critters. Bacteria inside of your body also outnumber your own cells by a healthy majority.

plucky sierra
#

I took my skin off already

dreamy hawk
#

Really it’d be more accurate to describe them as little spiders, not worms. 🤔

dreamy hawk
plucky sierra
dreamy hawk
#

Try some fiber, then.

plucky sierra
#

only NuCal 187 for me

dreamy hawk
eternal shell
forest gate
#

I knew I was aging when I suddenly became concerned with how much fibre I was consuming.

dense tendon
#

yeah i tried to manage that in my diet once

#

ate all of the fiber in the street outside, no one had internet for months and it did not work

#

i don't think fiber is real

dreamy hawk
bronze skiff
forest gate
unreal slate
#

there is nothing legally wrong with drinking nothing but cheeseburger for 30 days

forest gate
#

As the kids would say, that’s susAF

zenith nest
#

This chat is a sanctuary from the rest of the server lol

dense tendon
#

i'd disagree, but you should be right.

torpid briar
#

How many days did that one guy get drinking cheeseburgs till he finally went totally mad

dreamy hawk
#

A while seems like.

earnest hatch
dreamy hawk
#

Legal would like a word.

unreal slate
#

I will make it drinkable

#

I mean legal

#

both

earnest hatch
#

ADDENDUM ON DIETARY VARIETY: Although NuCaloric 187 may be used as a sole caloric and nutritional source, this duration should not exceed 30 total days based on Nutrient Psychosis Study XSR.191.

dreamy hawk
#

Should and can are two different things!

earnest hatch
#

Staying alive and dying to the claw monsters living under your bed are also two different things. 😎

forest gate
#

Can you say you’ve really lived until you’ve had nutrient psychosis?

unreal slate
#

We can't be sure those effected weren't infected by the contagion. This is why McDonalds employees that are injured at the workplace are required to undergo drug testing.

iron siren
#

This game would be sooo much better if a had a team to play with. It seems like when I have my best loot, I get paired with a team who doesn’t use mics, Stacks Shells or is scared of gun fights.

forest gate
#

My take away from this is, free kit and don’t worry about it.

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Or don’t get overly attached to whatever gear you have. It’s transient.

latent python
#

I'm losing all my green gear so I can fill up my vault with blue gear

forest gate
torpid briar
#

“Its not your gear, its just your turn to use it” 🔥💯

unreal slate
#

The real gear is the friend mouths we share drinkable cheeseburgers with along the way

dreamy hawk
glad dove
high lodge
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this game is such aeshtetics that i want it to theme my phone

#

my old phone is dying and its all looking grim at what should i get 🙁

dreamy hawk
#

I’m an Apple shill, personally.

haughty sapphire
#

The lobsters have the minds of the colonists transferred into them I’m calling it

earnest hatch
#

🦞

lunar cove
#

I walked in trying to clean out some green guns and came out with blues and a bag full of lore items

dreamy hawk
lunar cove
#

Steak too juicy, lobster too buttery etc

dreamy hawk
#

Yesterday was a very good day. I’d recommend not taking me up on my offer when I hop back on this weekend.

#

Gimme a few days to level back out to solid scrub territory.

high lodge
#

maybe i get it and forget it at the end

dreamy hawk
#

First time for everything. Shame you can’t do a trial really.

#

I would say the real benefits to apple products start to kick in when you’ve got more than one, though.

high lodge
#

i dont need any specs, not even camera

#

wish they made smartphones smol again

#

and - i just helped someone finish parasitism, all the time believeing i had it too

#

untill i saw i had no active jobs

dreamy hawk
#

Try and find something more basic then, imo.

#

And 💀 my condolences

dreamy hawk
high lodge
#

if it would work with banks and public transports were sane and developed something like they have in japan it would be awesome

#

i wanted to get nothing because of it looks, but they are going so much into ai, and really, im not sure im using it enough to justify it

dense tendon
#

what do banks and transit, or AI, have to do with the quality of smart phones?

#

ik its either unneeded or disbelieved when i say this, but i am genuinely asking. because im curious, and would like to know more.

#

ive also now looked into light phones, and my curiosity is still there. cuz tbh my gut reaction is this looks like a more expensive less useful phone.

unreal slate
#

I'm guessing "dumb phones" are presumably unable to do the smart-tap-to-pay thing common nowadays

dense tendon
#

nothing phones seem alright. kind of odd ducks but not "a phone without a browser in 2026" kind of odd

unreal slate
#

if you think about it everything should just be free and drinkable anyway

dreamy hawk
#

Oh is the Nothing that modular one I remember hearing about like a decade ago? It looks familiar.

dense tendon
#

also i have been an adult for a hwile and have never once done or even really seen any possibility of paying with a.. smart tap? is that like nfc but keyed to my phone?

dreamy hawk
#

You’ve never used tap to pay? 👀

unreal slate
#

if it's an apple or google product, both of them have payment apps commonly recognized in certain countries

rapid burrow
dreamy hawk
#

I’m curious where in the world you reside; I had assumed it was fairly ubiquitous these days given how often I see it. They even had it in my little home country last time I visited.

unreal slate
#

I avoid it personally. security paranoia just one concern

dreamy hawk
dense tendon
#

imma be real i get wallets with faraday cages in em so my cards cant be scanned while the wallets closed. i would not want a phone to have access to my funds like that, let alone in a way i cant use without opening up abuse.

dense tendon
torpid briar
#

Did NuCal have solid food, or is everything they sent on the Marathon a flavoured sludge?

unreal slate
#

I presume drinkable products are not the norm, as they were aware of health risks of non-solid diets

#

but it is fine

torpid briar
dense tendon
torpid briar
#

Oh shit true true

#

NuCal restaurant poi when

dense tendon
#

NCFC, motto: It Is Adequate!

unreal slate
#

Essentially. Adequate.

earnest hatch
dense tendon
#

the second C stands for Calorie. they cant legally, do not in practice, nor would ever suggest they serve chicken there. that would be a lie.

#

please ignore N.C The Mascot Rooster. you do not eat roosters. do not be silly

#

-# suspiciously defensive corporate dodging of unprompted issues is funny af to me, idc. like nobody thought it was chicken but now what tf is in this bucket bro 😭

unreal slate
#

When Bungie signs the seasonal menu deal for drinkable burgers at KFC, we will drink art imitating life imitating art imitating life imitating art imitating life imitating chicken.

lean swan
#

Wtf does the A/O on recon stand for?

unreal slate
eternal shell
#

alpha/omega

#

being in a recon shell for too long gives delusions of grandeur :^)

unreal slate
#

If it is "Account Of" (and not A / zero or something else) it could be where the runner's data is stored to track who to bill the account of for the expenses. Just speculating

#

That said, there are lots of seemingly random letters/numbers/abbreviates on all of the runners. I'd like to see some evidence for just how/how-not deliberately any of them may have been thought out. What I know is they do have the aesthetic of 3D printed pieces, labeled more for assembly diagram reference than for any real relevance after production.

turbid nebula
#

I figured it's "AIO"

remote magnet
#

Maybe Nona is teaching the wormlings the alphabet

#

and you are the chalkboard

normal jackal
dense tendon
#

i mean what immediately springs to mind is "Adaptive Optics" but the slash seems odd.

#

Aerial Observer?

#

term for recon flying units since WW1

vital pumice
#

So I've been rewatching the Launch Cinematic again now that I know more about the Lore and am familiar with things.

I know the Compiler has 3 forms, but from what I know we only see 2 of 3 forms with the Compiler in Cryo. The first form is the Statue one. The second form is when the Compiler has opened its shroud to the sides. The third form is when the shroud is in full super Saiyan mode floating all around it. We never see it in its third stage in Cryo.

Now, I noticed something in the cinematic. The Triage that's left for dead with the Compiler, seen lying on the ground, with the screen flashing from green to red. Right at the 6:14 mark the Compiler can be seen in its third form hovering over the Triage on the ground. Then we see the Triage sit up in a very "puppet" like fashion.

What is going there? Anyone notice that?

dense tendon
#

i don't think we have the information to say anything concrete but it seems plausible to me to take that as a suggestion of the compiler hacking the triage shell. for what purpose, who knows, but i've spoken before about how i think that other than general shape the physiology of compilers and shells seem very similar in concept.

#

its possible there is a link, its possible the compiler was able to do that because it found one. its also possible the compiler just spared the triage, rebooted its shell, and set it free for some unknown purpose.

#

it seemed to want the thief dead specifically.

#

the destroyer was in the way.

#

it mostly ignored triage.

#

i'd like to reiterate i don't think there's enough to draw any meaningful conclusions yet.

keen plank
#

It seems like something may be trying to warn the runners, much like how something or somethings tried to warn the colonists.

Could be Jaro tech in some form. We don’t know what caused the dreams and nightmares.

dense tendon
#

essentially, i think that that question is unfortunate because as much as we all want to know the answer, there is no answer available yet.

dreamy hawk
#

I want to rewatch that launch trailer now.

dense tendon
#

like that is right on the core of the plot.

keen plank
#

I still wonder about two things.

#
  1. The flash across the trailer with the text that said SAVE DEIMOS.
#
  1. What character in the tutorial hijacks the AI subroutine and says “You’re gonna die.”
eternal shell
#

for 2, that's orion

keen plank
jade wagon
dreamy hawk
#

I think save Deimos was a part of the mida arg, no?

keen plank
#

It’s very evident that the UESC took Deimos partially out of spite.

true fern
#

Is there established lore that specifically states that sekgen are the ones manufacturing the implants other than just their logo on said implants?

keen plank
dreamy hawk
#

I actually don’t know that them producing implants, specifically, is. Lemme look.

#

(But I’d say the logo is pretty strong evidence.)

echo sundial
#

what is the UESC ghost shell lore talking about

#

I sent an image of it in breach protocol

forest gate
echo sundial
#

I'm assuming its like a fun little reference but I don't quite get it lol

keen plank
echo sundial
lean swan
forest gate
keen plank
#

Seems like it’s Thothandel reflecting on how interesting it is to “meet oneself for the first time.” It’s implying he’s interested in the death, rebirth, and loss of memory that guardians experience.

echo sundial
#

What are the "Three Paths" referring too then

keen plank
#

“I considered Light. Lights.”

#

He wants to escape death. The Light provides a way to do that. Albeit one with costs.

keen plank
echo sundial
keen plank
#

Three paths modern guardians can take, but one new(?) life to live.

echo sundial
#

I really feel quite dumb lol

#

it appears I met my match when it comes to reading comprehension

dreamy hawk
#

@plucky sierra this what you need for your hypothesis?

keen plank
#

Nah. We’re all learning together and it’s a strange entry. By design. Destiny 2 had a lot of them with their free gift ships/items.

Nacre comes to mind, being written by The Winnower.

echo sundial
#

Bungie writers are big fans of being extremely vague when referencing events or characters

dreamy hawk
#

Never.

dense tendon
#

consider the lady with the rose and the ashless fire

echo sundial
#

I think it is more obvious when you understand what they are talking about, but like, most of the time I don't hahaha.

dense tendon
#

same level as gherritt white

#

jus an aggressive cavalcade of vagaries there

dreamy hawk
#

Ashless fire just implies perfectly clean combustion, no? 🤔

#

I forget my chemistry.

dense tendon
#

imma be so real but if you can infer any meaning from what that terminal is margling about you're smarter than me

unreal slate
#

I going with A / 0 doesn't stand for anything. Simply instructions for assembling 3D printed components for the shell's helmet. Some robot needs to be told to connect one dohickey to another dohickey, and the instructions required a label with a symbol they hadn't already used to help with that.

echo sundial
vital pumice
# dense tendon its possible there is a link, its possible the compiler was able to do that beca...

It definitely appeared to be controlling the Triage shell, given the "puppet" like movements the Triage showed as it sits up. As if the shell was not in mechanical control. The green to red flashes could be a representation of the Compiler taking control? Or Resurrecting them? We also see the Triage open their eyes back up, so it wasn't a dead shell. Given the speculation that Runner Shell tech is Jjaro in origin, and Compilers are Cyborg Jjaro tech, I think there's merit to this speculation.

As you said, we still don't know enough yet. But now that I know what I do about lore, when I noticed that in the Launch Cinematic Trailer after rewatching it, that immediately caught my attention.

I wanted to point it out as I thought it was an incredibly intriguing thing for them to show us.

dense tendon
#

but i also think that a lot of the creative process at bungie, back then and continuing to now, is one that fosters jus being kind of vague about the philosophical connections you're making in the background of the interstellar hyperviolence.

#

which is a helluva charm, honestly.

echo sundial
#

Im not saying I dislike it its pretty fun but man does it make me feel dumb LOL

dense tendon
#

i mean, it may be different people, but similar ideas.

#

its sort of like how there's no trace of the entity you were seven years ago. bungie number of years ago, every cell was different, and most of your thoughts were probably different. but you're still you, yeah? you're still iterating on that guy.

echo sundial
#

I was thinking ealier than that, like 30 years earlier.

#

But I get what you mean

dense tendon
#

nah, 7 years is like the time it takes for every cell in your body to be replaced, more or less

echo sundial
#

that is an interesting factoid, human ship of theseus

dense tendon
#

the difference is that theseus' ship lacks memories. memories persist between cellular regeneration, for us, so therefore, so does consciousness.

dreamy hawk
#

Everytime you go to sleep, how are you certain the same you is waking up? 🤔

dense tendon
#

if that tub could remember birthdays it'd be over for yall

dreamy hawk
#

(But there probably is something to genetic memory, too, but I'm just chimming in lol)

echo sundial
#

not assassins creed really but the concept of genetic memory

#

you don't see it very often anymore because it was the subject of great scientific interest for a while and iirc a lot of the fun stuff got shot down

#

as it usually does

dreamy hawk
#

Maybe not in that sense, I'm admiteddly not familiar, but crudly epigenetics can be a sort of genetic memory.

#

Certain influences get passed down from parent to offspring; there's been research into the effects of trauma, enviornment, etc., it's just outside of my personal wheelhouse.

echo sundial
dense tendon
# echo sundial Im not saying I dislike it its pretty fun but man does it make me feel dumb LOL

anyway the point i'm tryna make with this ramble is like, straight up at that message there. bungie does this real high concept implication, weaving narrative into fragments to trust you to ponder it and understand, but they do it in service of games like marathon, where durandal spits bad poetry about how the pfhor will never conquer him, or halo, where a rookie marine calls his sergeant's heavy metal music "old grandpa tunes" or something, or even destiny, where if you look into the why's and the wherecomes, one of the answers you get is that there is an hornse and he wants to be on family feud.

#

they wax philosophical in the background. they don't particularly care about whether it conveys meaning, and i question whether much is actually contained. the point is the surreal sort of joke of pondering what it means to exist as you pulp a bugman with your cyberfist and shotgun.

echo sundial
#

and I have absolutely no idiea what is going on there

dense tendon
#

its mostly jokes

dreamy hawk
#

Oh. Star Horse?

dense tendon
#

but its also like actually happening

#

you ever play EYE Divine Cybermancy?

echo sundial
#

if you stopped playing the game for like, any given amount of years it feels almost impossible to parse the story of destiny atm lol

dense tendon
#

theres a quote from it i think applies here very well

echo sundial
#

really seems like a thing you had to be there for to understand

dense tendon
#

brother i was

#

it doesn't help

plucky sierra
dreamy hawk
plucky sierra
#

Two arrows just like what I think is Durandal in the unknown reveries

echo sundial
#

Durandal in fucking everything man bungieverse is real

#

I believe

dense tendon
# dense tendon theres a quote from it i think applies here very well

anyway, courtesy of a guy from EYE Divine Cybermancy named Echion: Don't try to understand, just execute orders!! There's nothing to understand! Nothing makes any sense.
And you may be like, oh, that seems grim, but its not. its kind of a joke over there too. there is a very thin line between narrative and metacommentary in that game and this both the writers saying "we know its complicated, if it helps, jus don't worry about it" and also the character in question going "i have no idea what is going on, everything is absurdly intricate, seemingly arbitrary, i can't make sense of it, let's just shoot who we're told and go home, why don't matter"

#

at a certain point, bungie is doing that on purpose.

echo sundial
#

lol I see

dense tendon
#

there definitely is meaning to be found, but don't stress yourself out trying to parse it.

#

they weren't that worried either.

echo sundial
#

I only had like 3 because im an engineer but they were really fun

#

In another life maybe.

dense tendon
#

also if yall havent played EYE Divine Cybermancy, i heartily recommend that you don't but instead watch a video or something. its a very well written game but its aggressive jank in weirdly upsetting ways and if you aren't about games that are hostile to being played you'll not have fun.

echo sundial
#

its okay I put like 400 hours in kenshi

dense tendon
#

completely different league.

#

kenshi is closer.

echo sundial
#

big fans of games that have zero regard for the player and are interested in chasing a creative vision

#

ill check it out :)

dense tendon
#

imagine deus ex. the original one. remake it as a half life 2 mod. make the economy insane, and supported by replaying the massive levels over and over again, stripped of story content. give it no ending unless you parse what the badly translated from french plot is trying to say. realize this is not a 40k game, this is a very specific movie from the year 2000, saying which would spoil everything. add a hacking minigame where you can open an overlay and play opaque, strange pokemon battles against any entity in the level, including doors, losing which (because none of these mechanics are explained) cause the door to install malware in you, rendering you blind and crippled.

#

its a fantastic game

#

very acquired taste.

echo sundial
dense tendon
#

streumon, the devs, are big 40k fans. they would later go on to make several licensed 40k games.

#

space hulk: deathwing, and necromunda: hired gun

echo sundial
#

oh wow

dense tendon
#

both are ALSO bad in very charming ways, but they are nothing compared to the all out assault on cognition that is going on in EYE.

echo sundial
#

lol yeah I played hired gun

#

it was fun though

dense tendon
#

yeah its great. like doom2016 if you could wallrun

#

but also like if doomguy had tank controls

#

and his guns were looter shooter but you could only open the inventory and swap guns in the main menu

#

playing streumon games is like watching the coolest game you've ever seen become boiled.

echo sundial
#

when I was in highschool I remember looking at job postings for writers at bungie and iirc the requirements for a lower level position were quite a lot

#

doesn't surprise me that there are a lot of very talented people on their team

bold karma
#

Strauss seems involved with MIDA on Tau Ceti right?

dreamy hawk
#

Maybe? It's always been hinted at.

#

I'm personally less convinced he's MIDA and more so just playing anyone and everyone because he's the smartest person in the room and no one can touch him.

dense tendon
#

rollin's gonna hate my response here but not only do the original games hint at this, the D2 lore tab attached to MIDA Mini Tool, a strange little gun from an alternate timeline, explicitly a log from a timeline hopping MIDA agent who wound up in Destiny's reality and died on Mars, mentions that Strauss was straight up MIDA.

dreamy hawk
#

I'm not anti paraverse. 😆

dense tendon
#

i'm mostly teasing

bold karma
#

I just got a couple more lore pieces from Outpost, there's some very specifically worded lines in the welcome package that echo lines from the truthworm.exe lore entries

dreamy hawk
#

` MIDA Mini-Tool

Select application: Flare gun. Water purifier. Interplanetary Positioning System. Encyclopædia Arcana. Personal flotation device. List continues.

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Strauss is gone. Whole sky alight as his ship set off. I might be the last MIDA survivor on Mars. The gun detected teleports yesterday and I had to move camp. Cannot shake the fear that they will send battleroids; even this AI marvel couldn't save me.

Shot the ice this morning. The gun fired a thermal round and then a pellet of water purifier. Came out pure and sweet. Marvelous. I've been reading the gun's Encyclopedia Arcana. All about the crash that became Strauss's obsession and hope. "Metastability in the salvaged construct!" Ha ha! Let's hope our ideals too can pass through grief, fury, and envy into a new freedom elsewhere.

Wonder if the gun heard me when I asked to go somewhere better. Wonder why it led me here. Going to follow its compass tonight. Down below.`

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That is a very different timeline than whatever we're working with, though.

drifting garnet
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meanwhile, reads Surveillance Recording 4/5 of Gabriel executing a 'Decontamination Protocol'

dreamy hawk
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Though @visual lynx might be devestated to learn that Bungie is using metastable here as an endpoint to (presumably) rampancy.

bold karma
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MIDA's whole manifesto came from long before humans were on Mars iirc, was found on Mars.

dreamy hawk
dense tendon
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ah, i sent you the same

drifting garnet
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😢

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well...shit

drifting garnet
dreamy hawk
echo sundial
dense tendon
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mini-tool

echo sundial
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im going to jamie pull that up in my vault rq

dreamy hawk
dreamy hawk
dense tendon
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mentions Strauss leaving on the Marathon, that the speaker is the only MIDA agent left on Mars. the crushed MIDA revolt pre-launch to TCIV was a thing mentioned in the original game. an explanation for the various weapon caches around the marathon, that they were remnants of a pre-empted MIDA take over of the project.

echo sundial
dreamy hawk
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~~I just posted it for all. ~~ valid

echo sundial
drifting garnet
dense tendon
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the speaker mentions that they are afraid that "they" will send battleroids. and that the mini-tool, detecting teleportation, a human technology utilized already by durandal at this point, which lead to the speaker asking "to go somewhere better." which has lead them, seemingly, to the frozen mars of D2's reality.

dreamy hawk
dense tendon
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the beginning of the log is referencing stuff that tracks from the OG games.

drifting garnet
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which uh...shit. so, just Gabriel Rampantly acting up, or this UESC guy "JHAR" deliberately and knowingly executing a guy that's talking a bit too loudly?

dense tendon
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the divergence is mostly the mention of icy mars.

drifting garnet
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or both?

dreamy hawk
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Strauss is gone. Whole sky alight as his ship set off.
I wonder what happened here though.

dense tendon
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he left on the Marathon?

dreamy hawk
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Maybe? Sounds more dramatic, whole sky alight.

dense tendon
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the marathon is made of deimos.

echo sundial
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thrusters of marathon

dreamy hawk
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Especially since the next sentence is I might be the last MIDA survivor on Mars.

dense tendon
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yes.

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M1 establishes the failed MIDA revolt pre launch of the Marathon.

dreamy hawk
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Well. They succeeded at first, and they certainly didn't disappear after.

dense tendon
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correct.

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but the survivors seem to have left on the marathon.

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at least until information in this game.

echo sundial
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well yeah and tbf the narrator could just be flat out wrong its implied he doesnt know

dense tendon
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which posits that a new movement, centuries later, co-opted MIDA's name for its own cause.

dreamy hawk
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🤔 hmmm. I read this differently but that's not to say y'all are wrong; I need to reflect and digest.

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So "failed coup" was a false flag for "up and move to TCIV."

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MIDA continues to succeed spectacularly if true. 😆

dense tendon
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fair. i'm not suggesting you're wrong either, just that there's another way to read this that seems to preclude the need for a mysterious third MIDA-timeline

dreamy hawk
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Knife fight to decide the truth?

echo sundial
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yes

dreamy hawk
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Rooks would be pleased.

dense tendon
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you're challenging a knife cultist to this.

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like i'm down, but are you sure

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-# i am alarmingly down for this

echo sundial
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that key and peele bit

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is what im thinking of rn

dense tendon
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youre gonna have to be more specific

dreamy hawk
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There's a lot of Key and Peele bits.

dense tendon
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a lot of them have to do with knives, too.

echo sundial
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hold on yall ill post it in breach give me a moment

echo sundial
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I remember seeing it on twitter a few weeks ago

dense tendon
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this was a candidate for what i thought you meant

dreamy hawk
dense tendon
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paulo obdelis is a personal favorite, ngl

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mad funny

dense tendon
visual lynx
dense tendon
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no less than this game

forest gate
dense tendon
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chants a prayer in vocal imitation of knife keening

forest gate
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💀

forest gate
latent python
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lore question: why do we have to pay to not see thief's feet

forest gate
dense tendon
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joke answer: because she loves me specifically

semi-serious answer: none of the shells are actually wearing shoes. their bare feet are just shaped like shoes.

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vandal does not have the capability to remove her yeezies

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those are her feet

latent python
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well that just raises further questions

forest gate
dense tendon
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not really. its just economics in design

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why would you spend time/effort making this robot have detachable shoes

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especially when the point is to mass print it on demand

latent python
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someone spent a lot of time lovingly crafting those toes

dense tendon
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i actually think thief's design speaks to a very form over function sort of deal.

forest gate
dense tendon
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is she wearing clothing or is her skin just spandex

latent python
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oh some of vandal's skins are absolutely designer tees

forest gate
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Her top is like a sweatshirt

dense tendon
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not on default.

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one, they are wearing some clothes.

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i'm saying they don't really wear shoes

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two, vandal's clothes in specific are part of her purpose.

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which is exacerbated by her weird pseudo-jacket.

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its just a cape of sleeves

latent python
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I love the sleeve cape

dense tendon
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slung under her backpack

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i do too, its just not any kind of clothes!

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its more like a strange scarf

forest gate
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I don’t know, vandal sure looks like she has distinct shoes

latent python
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they're, like, vestigial sleeves

craggy finch
dense tendon
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okay the definition of clothes i'm working with here is "garment you can wear" which is an important distinction to raise because "can wear" means you can also "not wear" them and that means you can take them off.

dense tendon
forest gate
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And I’m saying they look like they can be removed

dense tendon
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i'm saying i doubt they can

forest gate
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But it’s not that important in the end

dense tendon
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correct

forest gate
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Just an interesting stylistic choice on Bungie’s part

dense tendon
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there is no fight here, homie

latent python
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vandal most specifically is meant to look like she's wearing designer clothing

craggy finch
# dense tendon i'm saying i doubt they can

HISTORY: As the name may indicate, the VANDAL SHELL started with MIDA. Someone took a stolen truckload of baseline SHELLS, went to work on them in their lab, bent the limits of their agility, and added MICROJETS to the lower limbs and a goddamn CANNON to the forearm—then dressed in the coolest streetwear this side of Palace Mons

dense tendon
craggy finch
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She literally wears a t shirt at one point in the cinematic

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Further, the general streetwear fashion that became a trademark of GLITCH'S various styles became a trend amongst Martian youth, adding additional complexity to any anti-RUNNER enforcement efforts—it's easier to disappear when an entire subculture rises up around your aesthetics.

dense tendon
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okay so like which part of that relates to the shoes.

craggy finch
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It’s probably like Thief’s feet

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But everything else is probably separate clothing items

latent python
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and, somehow, we gotta pay to put those feet away

dense tendon
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okay. but we don't have any evidence of either theory about vandals shoes so why is it imperative we deal with this point

latent python
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every other game it'd be the other way around

forest gate
latent python
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my reasoning: there must be a deep lore reason

austere elk
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General has once again fallen, millions must liquid burger.

dense tendon
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and again, which part of her shirt and jacket has to do with the claim i made at the start that her shoes are integrated to her body.

craggy finch
latent python
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bungie doing some kind of long con, making us want to put the dogs away

austere elk
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if that's the case why are assassin and thief running around like that

forest gate
dense tendon
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my apologies, i had become agitated, since i had received no response the last two times i had asked the same question.

vital pumice
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Does anyone else have a lore name for their runner?

My tag is Mjolnir Assassin Number 33. In homage to Mjolnir Recon Number 54 from the original games.

I am one of the original 10 Mjolnir Battleroids, whose consciousness has been backed up and stored to utilize VOID/ASSASSIN Runner Shell tech.

austere elk
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lmao

lilac sapphire
craggy finch
lilac sapphire
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Chronic gambler

vital pumice
craggy finch
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So Vandal has clothes to put over her frame but comes with the shoes by default

dense tendon
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mine is me i sold my soul to sekgen/cyac to become infinite murderghost in the knife-based internet

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also

austere elk
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hell I'm sure the clothes are printed too, they're just not.. part, of the shell

dense tendon
craggy finch
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Same with Recon

dense tendon
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i would not be surprised

latent python
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do you think Kanye is still getting royalties from those yeezys

dense tendon
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recon most likely doesn't even have actual eyes

austere elk
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well yes recon has a specific array integrated into the brain for the pulse to work. Destroyer? also maybe, also has a targetting system

craggy finch
austere elk
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Recon has a singular eye.

craggy finch
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The other is covered up with the other lenses

dense tendon
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i seem to remember that unfolding into camera lenses

forest gate
austere elk
craggy finch
dense tendon
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mm. i'm looking at it now.

craggy finch
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Adds to the scary idea of how Shell personalities seem to subdue the “real” Runner

forest gate
craggy finch
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The Rook might be the most genuine reflection of a Runner’s personality

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Jumpy as hell

austere elk
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well shells are instinct, messing with clothing articles isn't typically a thought of thing just something that happens. and vandal is one of the more 'human' shells from what I recall of her origins. all the others are the results of programs to get soldiers/tools.

dense tendon
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depending on how you mean "actual eyes" i'd still say there's a case there for my statement to be correct. her lone exposed eye is very clearly not baseline organic. bright red sclera instead of the black of most other shells.

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but ultimately the distinction is more semantic/academic

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she prolly aint even really use her "eyes" the way we do, anyway.

craggy finch
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Destroyer has a red zoom vision in his helmet that we don’t use in gameplay

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The visor might be his actual optics

dense tendon
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the orbs in her head are likely backups in case the numerous other sensor arrays fail.

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girl is rockin that halo 5 linda setup but as a body mod

austere elk
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they don't really look like cameras, they seem solid

vital pumice
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Whoops, replied to wrong thing haha

dense tendon
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i don't like halo 5 linda, btw. very dumb design.

austere elk
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so I imagine they're whatever is projecting the pulse.

craggy finch
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Damn just noticed Recon has her helmet open in the reveal cinematic yet she got instantly stalk sniped

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What a bum

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Echo pulse on and still missed them

austere elk
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thought it was a robot, white shield

vital pumice
dense tendon
latent python
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cameras kind of aren't solid!

cedar matrix
latent python
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(depending on type of camera)

vital pumice
austere elk
earnest patio
dense tendon
craggy finch
dense tendon
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also i jus realized i said that backwards

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fixed

austere elk
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if only I could post PICTURES here but, yes I don't believe they're cameras in recon's head, why would she need cameras, nothing about her abilities are vision based beyond the stalker protocol thing

latent python
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oh, like any camera with physical moving parts like a DLS has space inside for the light to focus

vital pumice
austere elk
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and even that could be argued to be more sci-fi sensor job

dense tendon
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also like cameras are just imitation eyeballs, we invented a tool that does the same thing pretty much a similar way

craggy finch
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It’s basically a reflection of radar

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So kind of like a miniature dish

dense tendon
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cameras and eyeballs are both collections of lenses used to capture light into images.

latent python
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eyeballs also have space inside to focus, it's just filled with liquid

dense tendon
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yeah

austere elk
dense tendon
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did you know that your iris contains no pigment, the coloration of your eyes is caused by the structural makeup of the organic prism of that bit of your eye?

craggy finch
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You know Security Officer just had a HUD map that automatically pinged friendlies and hostile

vital pumice
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WHAT DO YOUR CAMERA EYES SEE! 👁️👄👁️

latent python
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for...refraction index...reasons

craggy finch
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He was already a better Destroyer and Recon combined

dense tendon
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you don't have blue eyes cuz your eyes are colored blue, but because the light entering your eyes is refracted OUT blue, for example.

latent python
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somehow SO's hud detected motion

dense tendon
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its structural color. real neat.

latent python
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that's different from any of our shells

craggy finch
latent python
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yeah

craggy finch
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Destroyer is a deliberate callback to SO, which makes me wonder how Sentinel will be

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They share the xenomorph helmet look consistent with modern UESC

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So my theory is that it represents the UESC’s current approach to Shells

latent python
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we've seen sentinel?

austere elk
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briefly

craggy finch
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For S2

latent python
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oh on the roadmap, right

dense tendon
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if Destroyer is patterned "Mjolnir" via "Security Officer", then a candidate that appears to me is that Sentinel is patterned "Gungnir" via "Securement Operator." which is to say, Destroyer is a blunt object patterned after the OG Protag, but this Sentinel could be a sharp implement patterned after the OG protag.

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adding the parallels of Destroyer mostly having a defensive kit, but Sentinel having a theoretical offensive kit

austere elk
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I'm going to argue destroyer is more, offensive

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sentinel is a lot more of a traditionally defensive name

dense tendon
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Destroyer is there to Destroy attackers, enforcing security. Sentinel is there to Defend objectives, Operating outward to Secure goals.

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also i don't really know how a guy who's most common ability is a big shield that you can't attack with is a mostly offensive kit.

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its slows you down, as well.

craggy finch
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Destroyer’s development name was Locus, for what it’s worth

dense tendon
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yeah.

austere elk
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because the 3 other abilities are 'giant fuck off rockets' and 'I am going to close the distance so I can turn you into paste'

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the shield facilitates closing that distance to turn said things into paste

craggy finch
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The small size of the shield is interesting for a team focused game

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It’s a more personal thing for his own repositioning really

latent python
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it's just that the cinematics keep portraying him as...not doing that

craggy finch
dusky nymph
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Sentinel is gonna have an even bigger shield

craggy finch
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Using the shield to help with it

austere elk
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like yeha it can be used for that, but if you're just looking at his kit in isolation

dense tendon
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you get the rockets maybe once or twice a match, they don't do a whole lot unless you're already laser beaming people down, and the shield is an almost universally worse option than the double sprint or the air dash.

austere elk
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you can use the shield while sprinting or during an air dash (it does drop it towards the end but still)

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while it is defensive in nature it's ultimately to compliment engagement (it can be used defensively but the design place in the kit makes sense to me)

dense tendon
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okay i'm gonna jus leave this at "if we have to have so many obstacles to using his most uptime ability offensively then maybe he isn't meant to use it offensively" and go back to talking about sentinel now.

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actually i lied, i'm gonna go eat. ciao

austere elk
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'hey this part is actually meant to be used with the other parts of his kit'
'shit's too complicated man it's gotta be defensive'
okay.

dense tendon
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its not complicated

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you are making this complicated

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its bad

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but only if you use it this way

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so the use it lends itself to is more likely the intent.

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this is a nonsense fight. why are we doing this.

austere elk
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mostly because you're insisting the shell called destroyer is somehow the defensive one in this line up.

vital crane
dense tendon
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so um

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ok

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bro i do not need to fight a guy cuz i suggested a possible model for a future dlc character

austere elk
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the name should be a pretty big one. I explained why he's offensive in nature

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again, you just insisted it was too complicated

dense tendon
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ok

dense tendon
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should also note that literally everyone else was like "nah man destroyer aint meant to be offensive" but hey the name they slapped on 11th hour when they decided to cut the shells being characters thats directly opposite in meaning to the name he had for most of his conceptualization and development is the stronger evidence

eternal knoll
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sprinting at ppl with shield up then crouch sliding into shotgun blast simply GETS ppl

dense tendon
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i mean yeah thats fun

austere elk
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You're acting like the only reason I'm saying this is because of his name, which isn't the case.

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Go eat, you're clearly not thinking straight on an empty stomach.

visual lynx
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what is this a Snickers commercial

sterile seal
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Is there a lore reason why Recon is so cool?

dense tendon
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actually i'm acting like you picked this boondoggle for no reason, everyone else was like "no, that's nothing" and your response to me trying to go "this isn't going to not be a fight if i stay" was to snark to bait more engagement

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so like

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ok

austere elk
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It's always been a snickers commercial.

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Also yes I'm going to be snarky when you're being overly reductive to try and make yourself look smarter.

dense tendon
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if i go straight to fight, yall gripe. if i try to leave when fight happens, yall gripe.

forest gate
drifting mulch
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There was also the mentos commercial

dense tendon
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so like

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ok

forest gate
dense tendon
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stop making the most banal shit a reason to fight me to the death please, that'd be SICK

austere elk
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Then go?

drifting mulch
forest gate
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People who are technologically illiterate?

austere elk
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My coworker, who still hasn't figured out how to install an adblocker on his work computer in the 2 years I've known him.

forest gate
austere elk
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No, he just doesn't. he knows how, he's done it on his personal one.

dreamy hawk
dense tendon
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the last word is a 225 rpm exotic hand cannon in destiny 2, premiering in season 5: season of the forge, in 2018. also a sick cowboy revolver.

drifting mulch
# forest gate Yeah, I don’t know who watches ads anymore.

I recall reading a study, don’t know if it’s true, that repeatedly hearing something will make your brain believe it’s true. So ads are brainwashing. Like you’ll teach for the thing you heard of a lot because your mind remembers it as the “better” brand

forest gate
drifting mulch
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So even it being in the background is the corporate overlords shaping the way you live

dense tendon
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the last word is sort of like marathon 2's WSTR shotguns

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cowboy hipfire