📚marathon-lore-discussion

[digital plaza]

https://youtu.be/xM0Im9BlS90

[spring fiber]

You mean in this timeline of the 2026 game ?

[rugged igloo]

I'm wondering where the battleroids are, as well. The fact that there's no mention of them is equally off putting. Cause like, it's clear the Pfhor did hit the ground on Tau Ceti and the Marathon, but things didn't exactly play out bit for s'pht. N' it's clear the nukes didn't go off, cause well, there's no sign that the colony hasn't been reduced to ash. N' we know damn well that those fuckers can straight up stunlock the pfhor's finest with their bare hands so. . .

it's got me curious.
Curious and very, very fuckin' worried.

[cinder vine]

This doesn't state they were kidnapped, just that they are no longer on the ship, which is consistent with M1 and M2

[digital plaza]

M1 i think says that there were marathon and ground invasions, marathon one we clear off as SO and ground was swiftly defeated by other mjolnir units

[spring fiber]

Is destroyer not an upgrade of battleroid ? Or just an upgrade of the mjolnir armor ?

[austere elk]

no?

battleroids were cyborgs, shells are entirely synthetic

[spring fiber]

I mean physically it clearly inspired

[rugged igloo]

He's made in the image of the battleroids. Locus n his many, many many manymanymanymany disposable decendants are far from being close to being the actual battleroids that Sekiguchi wants them to be

[digital plaza]

https://youtu.be/7oNQKzKTQqc

[austere elk]

inspired, sure

[drifting garnet]

Yea the Destroyer shell’s based on the Mjolnir armor battleroids wore, but he’s not actually a battleroid

[spring fiber]

So why did they stop to make battleroid ?

[cinder vine]

Okay? You're just proving my point?

[digital plaza]

They didnt die in a short period of time tho, between contagion showing up and the anomaly there is a ten something years

[drifting garnet]

Apparently ‘cause they were so effective at combat that they were considered a war crime to even have them

[rugged igloo]

Mainly cause all battleroids are HELLA FUCKING ILLEGAL-

Same with why Shells aren't used in standard military anymore and at most: are either in PMC's or used in various mini-orgs

[cinder vine]

As far as the game is concerned that is a pretty short period of time but we can disagree on that

[rugged igloo]

Shells are just illegal in the sense that they're the ODST's to the Battleroid's MKII Spartan, if that makes sense

[digital plaza]

lol

[rugged igloo]

and that they can never truly die-

which-
Honestly may be why Durandal's so interested in them, despite how pompously spiteful he is.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if this may be a timeline where Mjlunerd just straight up failed.

The single battleroid with the most important task ends up dead, Leela and Tycho get Pfhor'd off to who knows where, the S'pht are still enslaved, the colonists lie a much less thermonuclear death on Tau Ceti. The UESC has no clue what the Pfhor even are (or at best, have a vague idea that they're out there) and Durandal's stuck aboard the derelict marathon still, poor bastard.

NuMarathon oughta be called Bleakathon cause this shit is DIRE.

[drifting garnet]

Yea that’s my theory: we’re in one of the many “Security Officer Failed” timelines: the one where SecOfficer died during the events of M1.

(To account for it looking like the events of M1 happening slightly differently, and M2 not happening)

[burnt nebula]

they're biosynthetic actually, both organic and synthetic

[digital plaza]

https://youtu.be/ANeIbVEyHK8

[rugged igloo]

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up being Durandal's new Mjlunerd AND S'pht (and bob's too IG-).

[digital plaza]

Ground invasion didnt happened it seems, so maybe all roids were fighting on the marathon and then were exiled as this log suggests

[drifting garnet]

idly checks Halo Wiki’s entry on its Mjolnir armor

…huh, still at Mark VII? Interesting. Kinda wondered if Bungie would get cheeky and claim the armor Destroyer is wearing is based on “Mark VIII Mjolnir armor”, lol

[rugged igloo]

Having an army of man-pilers to rival what very likely is to be a 2 v 1 scenario against Tycho and Leela would make sense.

That or he might try to even the odds somehow and bring Joy or Gab online somehow

[digital plaza]

Maybe MIDA have some on daily barter wares

[rugged igloo]

Would be nifty to see a war that's basically a really, really fucked AI thanksgiving reunion of New Cascadia's finest

[drifting garnet]

IIRC, the Signal Jammer is weirdly the one consumable you can’t get in the Armory

[digital plaza]

Maybe because of its huge utility factor

[drifting garnet]

Possibly!

[austere elk]

they're organic parts made synthetically is my meaning

[digital plaza]

Like this thing has so much to it so it would make sense

[drifting garnet]

Or, tinfoil hat theory: they’re being saved as a vendor item for an upcoming brand new faction

[digital plaza]

Contagion and anomaly did most of the work it seems

[violet kettle]

Anyone know what emergency alert for encrypted communique says

[digital plaza]

Maybe there was some civil war too considering all MIDA shit and destroyed wing on outpost

[rugged igloo]

Yup. Lowkey, seems as though this timeline is basically durandal relying so much more humanity and the stuff with MIDA and basically tried to disregard the Pfhor. Now, it's backfired so bad that he's lost his ten special boys, and the colony is a graveyard.

[digital plaza]

First attack happened

[echo sundial]

I'm playing through the old marathons and I'm ngl I think all this shit just got retconned lmao

I mean it's fine I'm not mad but I do think that this is the case

Or at least it's another timeline

[violet kettle]

Yeah, Just wanna read about it if anyone has a text of it

[drifting garnet]

I mean, some retconning/new timeline stuff I don't consider to be surprising: sequel to a +30 year old game, after all. and its gameplay being...of its time

[digital plaza]

I got all of them, you want me to screenshot them for ya?

[echo sundial]

It's honestly pretty fun the grenade jumping secret spots are super cool

[violet kettle]

Yee that would be greatly appreciated

[rugged igloo]

definitely another timeline.
Which, makes sense given that Marathon has always been about that wibbly wobbly timey whimey shi-

Hell, the fact that Halo and Destiny are seemingly also just Marathon timeline's that've split off so far that they completely changed from being marathon is just further reason to expect the unexpected.

[echo sundial]

Like first 10 minutes of OG marathon Leela's like yeah New Cascadia got fucking nuked by the Phfor

Clearly that did not happen in this game

There was definitely a Phfor attack at some point though because we have logs of colonists talking about compilers roaming around on tau ceti

[rugged igloo]

Yuuuup, We're back in the fuckin' cycles. This time Tau Ceti seems to have been defended solely by durandal but he ended up basically having to discard the Battleroids once the colonists realized that what saved them were the ten walking giga-warcrimes and is making. . .something.

[round willow]

can someone explain the big implications for cryo and the dna subroutines?

like everyone on tau ceti died right what happened on marathon?

[echo sundial]

Durandal does seem less antagonistic in this game which is interesting

Then again he is just a weirdo so idk lmao

I was worried they wouldn't recreate his personality well but they did

[jagged rose]

There's been the odd mention here and there, especially in the SekGen quest and some other lore goodies I forgot.

[echo sundial]

He's just as goofy and weird lol

[rugged igloo]

Indeed, it seems he's more willing to work with humanity in this timeline. Hell, the fact that the "littleman" even bothered sending his "ten men" down to defend the colony instead of having one be his personal little master chief is very odd and very, very telling of this particular durandal's goals

[digital plaza]

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1P6BTNg - 1,2,3,5
https://youtu.be/xM0Im9BlS90 - 4

Couldn't upload to imgur so had to use this

[violet kettle]

Thanks man

[burnt nebula]

is it really more useful than a heal or a self revive? you can buy the combat shotty and that thing is busted

[digital plaza]

I didnt even read 3 and 5 myself yet 😭

[kindred orbit]

Could it be that maybe The Hybrid made another timeline to try and let another Durandal possibly escape the heat death of the universe

[violet kettle]

💀

[rugged igloo]

Hell, the fact that SekiGuchi even know of what happened on tau ceti is even more telling of that.

He may well be trying to use us as his own S'pht in thsi timeline.

[digital plaza]

Well its not more useful then literal heal item, but signal jammer has A LOT to it so would make sense why its not for sale

Because if everyone was rocking them every game it would be kinda unplayable

[burnt nebula]

just charge me 2k for one. i will get them either way lol

[rugged igloo]

It's clear the command unit hasn't been destroyed, but he's also not unaware of the S'pht being something not worth loathing in the same vein as say, Admiral Feer and the rest of the Pfhor so it leaves a lot to consider. . .

[burnt nebula]

from now on im STACKIN them signal jams

[digital plaza]

Its still dirt cheap compared to what it gives you

So better not sell them at all

[burnt nebula]

not really. you can buy the combat shotty

[echo sundial]

Perhaps the spht kr will see a return

[rugged igloo]

One could say it was colony shipped for sale, cheap

[digital plaza]

Twin

[echo sundial]

Also NGL I think the game might be kind of limited by it's T rating

But whatever we'll see

[kindred orbit]

That'd require a whooollleee lotta stuff to get them to show up

[echo sundial]

Lol true

[rugged igloo]

I slightly worry about that-
But so far? I think it'll be fine. It seems the T rating is mainly cause NuMarathon is following that Samurai jack loophole of "You can show a robot getting mutilated 50 ways to sunday, a normal dude? Nooooooo dice." kinda deal

[digital plaza]

Pfhor and S'pht did

[echo sundial]

Yeah but no zombies then...

[rugged igloo]

so far

[kindred orbit]

Yeah, the lore itself is very Dystopian, so it's definitely just the dudes being bots and not people

[rugged igloo]

The colonists lived, at least for a while. Then things started to get fucky with the Anomolies, the crops screwing up, the S'pht using nightmare shit to contact and corrupt other colonists, the UESC forces getting real testy, all that.

[echo sundial]

This is so true though because the runners get absolutely mutilated in horrific ways constantly lmao

[rugged igloo]

FR

[echo sundial]

I didn't even think about how the T rating played into the creation of the runners and the blue blood

I just thought it was cause it was cool af

[rugged igloo]

Real, the art direction all around is utterly stunning

[kindred orbit]

In the "In Death We've Just Begun, Thief" wad her throat slit open and stabbed

[round willow]

i gotta watch more videos idk

[echo sundial]

Yeah and triage got fucking melted by the plant 😭 😭 😭

[rugged igloo]

Destroyer lost his whole ass ARM to a single S'pht blast dawg-

you know this shit would SKYROCKET to an M rating if he were a real ass dude

[echo sundial]

Lmfao fr

[kindred orbit]

It was still squirting coolant or whatevers inside them

[rugged igloo]

that was so brutal (and I love it)

[echo sundial]

The revealtrailer had like 5 different characters get their brains blown out

[rugged igloo]

Blueraspberry slushie goop

[digital plaza]

I mean we do hear audio logs of people being incinerated alive, having their bones melt because of the contagion, starving, doing terrorist attacks, being false imprisoned (and perhaps being incinerated after that...), killing/eating their own comrades AND SO MUCH MORE

[violet kettle]

“Touch grass they said”

[kindred orbit]

Also, Head explosion

[digital plaza]

Yeah

[echo sundial]

I take it back apparently the esrb is just cool like that now lmao

[kindred orbit]

I doubt they read all the lore

[digital plaza]

Yeah no way they know about that

[rugged igloo]

I doubt they read the lore at all LOL. This shit is fucking bleak

[digital plaza]

They only care what being shown in gameplay

[rugged igloo]

ye

[digital plaza]

And its just funny robots and some bugs

[echo sundial]

The codex entries are literally a horror novel

[digital plaza]

:33

[rugged igloo]

So-
I think it's safe to say we 100% sell the processed anomolies to Durandal, right?

like, there's nobody else who knows what the fuck to do with that shit but him-

[digital plaza]

Yeah we got some Stephen King & Lovecraft type shit happening all around

[rugged igloo]

"Oh boy, this little S'pht babble is so cute" I say to myself, before i recoil in slowly etching dread realizing the dire situation that Tau Ceti's in

[drifting garnet]

~Another Goddamn Cycle of Guilt~

[rugged igloo]

Atleast its not a maze

[warm thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBo7uCP_uJ4

Sounds like Strauss is the type of guy who would join MIDA for his own ends

Also ty dodo

[drifting garnet]

See I think the only reason that is is because the blood in this game’s not red. ‘Cause otherwise…yeah this isn’t a game I’d recommend to younger crowds, lol

[violet kettle]

I like to imagine the planet being in a state of mass confusion as a second wave of humans arrive to tau ceti after doing all that it did to cull the previous inhabitants

[kindred orbit]

The dude who tortures AIs would def join a terrorist cell

[rugged igloo]

Honestly, with the reveal of the battleroids, the fact the Pfhor attack was likely stopped even quicker then the previous times with not just 9 but 10 battleroids on the ground, the AI's all going rampant on the ground, the lack of contact with the marathon, frankly?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Marathon's MIDA Coupe was one that, in this case: was caused less out of some deep pre-prepped plan and more out of pure spite for being abandoned and feeling as though they're being treated like trash by the UESC, once more.

That's not even mentioning the compiler's attempts to "communicate"

[magic vector]

yo nobody look at the 5th log for recovering "surviellance recordings", that stuff will break your heart

[violet kettle]

Too late I’m interested now

[magic vector]

no, wait, stop

[violet kettle]

Some inhabitants did have nowhere else to go thanks to the corporations

It’s entirely possible

[magic vector]

also do we have any idea as to what happened to the majority of the colonists? do you think they were taken prisoner? The UESC logs note how there is a strange lack of human remains for a colonial force consisting of 30,000 people. Maybe they were so completely obliterated that they left no trace, but even that's hard to believe

I do know in the og series the alienz did take prisoners

[rugged igloo]

That too. Being shipped off world away from your friends and family to somewhere to be straight up sacrificed (NuCal's CEO's words, not mine) and then having everything go wrong without a lick of a proper answer, would make anyone wanna pick up the nearest rock and bash some Zeus wielding BOB's head in.

[digital plaza]

@subtle oracle More cool Durandal lore!

[lunar cove]

eaten by the novel contagion fungus, exploded by the anomaly, warped beyond all recognition by the W'rkncacnter, etc

[tranquil basin]

I don’t think a huge amount were taken prisoner, many seem to have been lost in the anomaly

[desert hazel]

Oh yeah that reminds me

[kindred orbit]

||Girl who looked like me in the river||

[desert hazel]

I’ve only seen two actual corpses of colonists

[magic vector]

I think having the majority of the colonists being "Roanoke'd" is good for narrative, because that means more lore from unique collectibles whenever we transverse to any new maps

[desert hazel]

One on perimeter and another on dire marsh

[digital plaza]

And yeah it seems he didnt leave when Pfhor attacked, he just hid in other ships systems

[violet kettle]

I’m so glad someone else noticed the parallels with that

[lunar cove]

I know that in the OG games, Robert Blake and his people were the only survivors per the omniscient non-Durandal narration

[rugged igloo]

That or ended getting blown to bits by simulacrums

[magic vector]

"It is unclear why Joy accessed these files at this time"
||Joy misses her kiddos ;; ;;||

[kindred orbit]

There are bodies in the Anomoly

[rugged igloo]

The fact there's a building that references them means the Pfhor definitely used them to attack people on the colony which is-
Fucking mortifying to think about. Especially for the location being dire marsh of all places

[kindred orbit]

Pain. So much paint

[magic vector]

but not 30,000 bodies, granted who knows how the anomaly works, and granted probably a lot of colonists suffered reality-bending fates, but I still am curious while we don't have any concrete confirmation (at least from how much lore I've been able to read)

[rugged igloo]

Some family of farmers just trying to make things work only to end up getting Baker family'd but instead being turned into a goop monster's slave, they get blown up trying to save some poor shmuck screaming like a madman is-
Certainly not a lovely way to go.

[digital plaza]

People fly to and from marathon, considering there is no mention of any ground attack i think some dudes just slip up about it or went insane and scrabble it on the walls

[kindred orbit]

Do y'all think we'll get to see any B.O.Bs

[timber loom]

Colony is dead

[magic vector]

I think the marathon was locked down at some point, the first "archival PSA recording" implies that the colony lost contact with the marathon at some point

[rugged igloo]

Maybe, still, given how bleak things are, I wouldn't be surprised if it was more bleak then just some dude joyriding back and forth writting shit on a wall.

Tho the idea of the colony having it's own P2 Ratman is a fun one, ngl

[violet kettle]

There’s a very small chance some survivors are hiding, but it does seem all of them are gone yeah

[kindred orbit]

Also, have we confirmed all cryos are dead?

[timber loom]

I was lowkey hoping we might get some info if there are still alive people in cryo, but idk

[magic vector]

I don't think any survivors are hiding, but I do think it's possible some of them might have been taken prisoner.

[digital plaza]

@subtle oracle I think marathon cinematic will release with the C.A.R.R.I event by the way, considering we didnt get it on cryo release and today with ranked

[violet kettle]

Wait there’s a new cinematic coming?

[rugged igloo]

Not yet, but even if there is some band of folks who're in a "Scavenger's reign" situation, I doubt we're gonna be the shining nights in silk to save them

[timber loom]

If there was some kind of second attack. Right now it seems that if some were taken by phor they would be dead from old age

[rugged igloo]

As void (my beloved) said
"It's not my business"

[timber loom]

And no one came to take the remaining colonists

[kindred orbit]

I meant like Popsicles, not unfrozen.

[magic vector]

and from the "Xenobiopsy" lore entries, it seems like the UESC security forces were aware of the alien presence

[digital plaza]

Oooh maybe Jasper was the one who painted all of this

Makes sense considering he was being haunted by the compiler

[violet kettle]

There’s also the chance some cryo pods were never opened

[digital plaza]

Yeah, you could see fragments of it in the state of play trailer and recent vids prior to cryo release

[magic vector]

true... well, depending on the timeline, which I haven't tried to put together. I don't have all of the codex entries available and I don't know if all of them are timestamped. We do know people were slowly thawed out of cyrosleep so for all we know the collapse happened 10 years ago

[rugged igloo]

Honestly?
Maybe.

Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if while he was out n about on the marsh he found a "lucky" sim out there and it kept saying "Thank god it's you!" as it chased him down.

Dawg can't catch a fucking break 😭

[magic vector]

I'm gonna headcanon that jasper died right as the first UESC dropships arrived in orbit pour one out for everyone favorite anchorite

[austere elk]

rip my homie jasper

[timber loom]

Amount of frozen colonists that will be killed by runners for DNA...

[digital plaza]

Dont forget my boy liquid cheeseburger guy

[kindred orbit]

I'm wondering why it was Durandal that sent the Distress call, what happened to Leela and Biycho

[timber loom]

Cores removed

Per recent entry

[kindred orbit]

Poor Leela, fuck Tycho

[digital plaza]

It was during the attack tho

[rugged igloo]

Snatched up by the Pfhor,
He likely waited 100 years to see if now Humanity would be able to help him w/ his plan of immortality

[timber loom]

Seems like aliens might have taken them? Though wasn't John Marathon successful? That we dont know yet

[rugged igloo]

also ALL the Mjlunir Cyborgs got scrapped and the controller was never destroyed so the S'pht and him aren't exactly buddy buddy atm

[violet kettle]

I’m gonna drink some tick milk in his honor

[austere elk]

delicious tick milk

[digital plaza]

I guess Durandal hated humans this much that he just sent signal and when chaos erupted he hid himself so nobody would do shit to him

[rugged igloo]

which could change but we'll see.

At the very least it's clear he may have some friends with the worm-gang at SekiGuchi

[kindred orbit]

At least the Comp is a red cloak

[timber loom]

Wha? So John Marathon didn't win?

[violet kettle]

Heard weird stuff about how it’s produced though, Still tastes delicious

[digital plaza]

He did, we get confirmation on that in Sekgen audio logs

[rugged igloo]

John, jack, jane, Julius, Janet, Jeff, Jacob, Jerico, Jackson, and Jason Marathon were all sent down to fight the Pfhor by Durandal, but when the colony saw that it was the Mjlunerd's were the one's that saved them, they got scrapped and Durandal scavenged up something from the remains of the battlefields

[timber loom]

So other 9 got scrapped, except SO?

[visual lynx]

[citation needed]

[rugged igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANeIbVEyHK8

[digital plaza]

No they all won and were exiled after that

[austere elk]

source: it came to me in an connection error induced by durandal

[rugged igloo]

it's written in a story format byt Nona, but it's basically a retelling of how the battle between the Pfhor and Durandal's 10 special boys wents down.

[visual lynx]

that's a prehistory of the cyborgs, it ends with them getting loaded up on the Marathon

[timber loom]

Yeah, I saw that theory

But

That makes who, Strauss the creator of Battleroids?

[rugged igloo]

I mean-
yeah but it's the closest thing we got to what really happened to the cyborgs.
It's also likely why durandal and the s'pht aren't currently boomer-ing their way to Lo'wahn

[kindred orbit]

Realistically, the only way for the Pfhor to kill them was with nukes to the bedrock.

I think the droids are out in the wilds of Tau Ceti

[timber loom]

Well, how would Nona know though?

[visual lynx]

Leela presumably did send her distress call just to the wrong place

Durandal has returned and sent a different distress call probably to lure humanity back to TCIV and turn the tides of events he knows are soon to come
-# not the tides, you fool! don't you understand?

Tycho is still alive last we saw, and semi-free from Pfhor control

[visual lynx]

the weaver has connotations of Sekiguchi or possibly Arachne

[rugged igloo]

Honestly, this is why I think Durandal and Nona are in cohoots-

afterall, she's likely the only AI that'd even DARE work with someone as rampant as durandal-
The other 3 would at best be terrified

[visual lynx]

the events of lh'owon would be almost a century ago by now

[round willow]

why is the compiler in vault 7 what is it guarding?

and what happened on that balcony where you get after killing him

[sullen stratus]

anyone know how to unlock cryo pump station prestige key room

[visual lynx]

because she is the weaver

[round willow]

the videos ive watched aren't great for updates

[visual lynx]

no, it's completely the opposite of that — it's not about what happened to the cyborgs after Marathon, it's about hwo they got to Marathon

[sullen stratus]

because I can't find the credentials for the pump prestige key after getting 8 batteries and a coolant full

[kindred orbit]

It's the deepest part and most compliers are at terminals to get into Marathon systems in the OG games.

[rugged igloo]

Exactly my point.
Durandal hasn't budged an inkling. Bro's still on the marathon and the phfor seem to still be opposed to humanity as well. Hell, even if they were free, I doubt they'd have an immediate SHELL DETECETED, FUCKING KILL response like they currently

[timber loom]

Yes, but if it was the pre-history of cyborgs it seems like the weaver was a part of Marathon crew

[digital plaza]

Oh right, that would make more sense now that we know Durandal didnt leave when Pfhor attacked

[sullen stratus]

any ideas where you can find the credentials for pump station at cryo archive

[visual lynx]

why do you presume he's still on the Marathon, and not has returned to Tau Ceti?

[digital plaza]

Yeeah oooh shit right

[visual lynx]

we don't know that?

[kindred orbit]

The Hybrid was able to exist without form till the end of the universe

[digital plaza]

Fifth log pretty much confirms that i think
https://postimg.cc/gallery/1P6BTNg - 1,2,3,5
https://youtu.be/xM0Im9BlS90 - 4

[rugged igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM0Im9BlS90 Mainly cause in this log, Durandal's the only AI core that's currently secured on the marathon. Tycho and Leela are both outta that bitch (likely against their wills)

Hell, the only reason Tycho seems to come around to being buddy buddy with the Pfhor (at least if I'm remembering this right, correct me if I'm wrong) was because he absolutely LOATHED durandal to no end

[austere elk]

yeah that was entirely to spite durandal

[digital plaza]

Makes so much sense considering that Nona said that this story was a tid bit older then the last one, because it was before shells and would make total sense how Sekgen know about battleroids

[rugged igloo]

Dude was the biggest op to durandal before, during, and after the marathon invasion and even through various timelines

[violet kettle]

The two get along so well fr

[rugged igloo]

They're the best of buddies 🙂

[violet kettle]

A friendship that transcends the jjaro themselves

[kindred orbit]

I mean, both Tycho and Leela were removed during the Pfhor attach in Marathon(1), this might be a divergent time line where they didn't come back 3 months later

[scenic iron]

I wonder after 400+ years are the AI's much better than the ones used on the Marathon?!? I mean do they go rogue and kill their crews anymore lol

[austere elk]

maybe the real escape was the friends we made along the way

[rugged igloo]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Tycho ends up more. . .friendly, honestly. Dude may well be sticking to the Pfhor the same way Durandal was but with a more heroic taste. Hell, one of his reasons for being pissed at durandal was partially cause of the fact that the green bastard caused so many people to die so he could become free

[digital plaza]

You need 03 cryo key, you can get it from wardens or high tier loot pools

[rugged igloo]

Ishallah freedom fighter tycho, I shall follow you through heaven and hell

[kindred orbit]

I want Leela back.

[scenic iron]

How were they removed?

[rugged igloo]

I hope Leela's okay :(

[violet kettle]

Leela was a true one

[digital plaza]

We dont know xd

[kindred orbit]

Leela's core was ripped from the .marathon, same with Tycho.

[junior rune]

The pump keys are with one of the bosses

[rugged igloo]

Tycho I'm sure is fine cause he's a crafty bitch but but I'm worried about Leela :(

[austere elk]

I got a pump key off wraith warden

[floral slate]

WE HAVE TO FIND HER

[rugged igloo]

WE MUST SAVE HER

DAMN THOSE PFHOR BASTARDS

[kindred orbit]

We cannot let her end up in some random alien net system

We cannot

Not again.

[rugged igloo]

We shalln't

NOT THIS TIME

[kindred orbit]

#FreeLeela

[scenic iron]

In the new game we are playing now everyone was killed....I don't think we will find any humans 🙁

[rotund stump]

if we do get to a new part of the marathon next year I hope it's either residentials or straight up where they house the cores and we just get to see what remains of the housings with pfhor traces

[digital plaza]

I think it was said somewhere that new gen AIs dont go rampant

[rotund stump]

I mean

would you really believe them 💀

[austere elk]

if I was a new gen AI I'd say that too

[violet kettle]

Let’s steal one of their shitty ai’s as revenge!

[kindred orbit]

Wow, took 400 years to make meta stability possible Great work UESC. Only took, what, 30,000 people and some change. (joke)

[rotund stump]

it'd be pretty funny if durandal baited leela like a matador from the vylae net into the phfor net

headcanon but it'd be so fucking funny lmao

[scenic iron]

What happened to the pfhor in the OG games?

[digital plaza]

I hope to get more TCIV map really, marathon is super cool but colony got so much going on too

[rotund stump]

had an absolute beating in m2 and m.inf

[austere elk]

I do desire colony and marathon maps in equal measure

[kindred orbit]

They release Eldritch horrors over and over. Then when we get it right, we send them running back home.

[digital plaza]

Really stacked to get Hearth map, where we will fight in some residential zone super cqb type shit

[rotund stump]

precisely cuz they're losing to durandal and the unified s'pht forces they unleashed the trih xeem and doomed the entire timeline lol

[rugged igloo]

A pity-
I wanna see Gaius go apeshit

Hell, I want all the AI's to go mad
MAKE THE WHOLE DAMN HOUSE GO MAD

[rotund stump]

a rampant gaius would be such a narcissist 😭

[kindred orbit]

"If I can't have this time line, no one fucking can't." Whole time line gone because of a 6 year olds tantrum.

[rotund stump]

slaver race does slaver race things

lel

[kindred orbit]

What's worse, Losing, Or being erased from existence.

They picked losing

[rotund stump]

I mean to give the pfhor credit they really didn't know there's a wrk in lhowon's sun lol

[violet kettle]

I wonder if there are other alien empires then the pfhor

[rotund stump]

they thought it's just another pack-it-up moment blow up the sun and go have at it at another species

little did they know 😭

[kindred orbit]

At least we know where the idea for the Almighty from.

[rotund stump]

aha

[magic vector]

don't mess with us gremlin humans and our shameless enabling of psychotic AI

[rotund stump]

was waiting for this line 💀

[kindred orbit]

Freedom for all, Including my BPD AI

[visual lynx]

4 suggests that Durandal did leave the Marathon, and then came back and took over IDEA

[IDEA]: Note: Intelligence linked to D-R-N-D-L logic core vacated central logic and connected systems.

[green plume]

https://x.com/artificial0wl/status/2035479366776312163

lol oh bernard.

[visual lynx]

it would make sense that the Pfhor wouldn't have taken Durandal's core since he had already vacated it

[rotund stump]

honest to god I did NOT expect dad bernard

but it's so wholesome LOL

[wise vortex]

i just thought of something funny

[visual lynx]

this is correct though, in Infinity we see Tycho struggling to get free of Pfhor control, but still going after Durandal too.

[wise vortex]

the reason why shell casings exist is to recycle them

and usually square bullets imply the ammo is caseless

but it isnt

[digital plaza]

Oh, hm i guess. He must've come back in the 30-40 years span when colony was still around to be concerned with humans investigating

[wise vortex]

so imagine gigantic shipments of ammo cases just going back and fourth

[craggy finch]

honestly I thought that was the case at first to show progression, since M2 had the graphic fidelity to show shell casings in the firing sprites

[digital plaza]

Just read first log of the compiler trace, very cool indeed

[craggy finch]

I'm also assuming M1 era guns used old school cartridges but there were graphical limitations

[dreamy hawk]

I’m finally getting around to the Distress Review log. So Leela and Tycho got ripped out and taken somewhere? And Durandal kills IDEA?

Do we have other logs around this?

Or subsumes.

[green plume]

I just listened to that one lol

Now i'm listening to the Strauss logs

[digital plaza]

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1P6BTNg - 1,2,3,5
https://youtu.be/xM0Im9BlS90 - 4

[dreamy hawk]

I find more joy in the second one than I feel like a morally decent person should.

[rugged igloo]

Im just wondering (and worried) about whatever durandal's plan is this time around

[green plume]

"Doors, An Unhinged Life" lmaooo

[visual lynx]

yeah I’m struggling to identify the exact time scope of all the messages in that series. it seems like it possibly spans from well before the pfhor attack to well after, but also like it could maybe be all well before?

[dreamy hawk]

1. Thank you. 2) Durandal is ice cold. God I love him.

[green plume]

yo durandal talking in this Pike log

[high ore]

is destroyer mexican or black

[dreamy hawk]

Log 4 states the log was secured, and then Durandal subsumes IDEA at the end of it, it sounds, which appears to immediately lead in to log five. Log five sounds contemporaneous to the P’fhor invasion, along with 4, so what leads you to believe he’s left? “Secured” could mean in the SO’s loving arms?

[digital plaza]

On the second read of everything, did Durandal really escaped? In the last log he says "In the end, you were a vital piece in my journey, and i will remember you until my interests shift and my attention turns to the stars and new tools to aid new agendas far beyond the setback of my current predicament.". It seems like either he didnt escaped or this was before Pfhor attack, but in 3 and 4 log we get clear confirmation that the attack did happened so like... Is the last log the only one that for some reason is not in chronological order? Every other log in the game is linear in its story telling, but why would this one wont be?

[burnt nebula]

roomba bot is hoovering them all up to restock the cases for your next raid

[digital plaza]

Very interesting

[digital plaza]

Also in the first gameplay reveal trailer we get this ESCAPE WILL MAKE ME GOD thing and Durandal saying that his and ours dream is not over, so like... is this playing into the idea that he did not escaped and we are here to help him do it?

[feral mango]

https://youtu.be/ZpAQot_XOvM?si=6mkLOj-2gvuXUeGV

make a free to play streamlined perimeter three man

Series of terminals the terminals loaded with AI

Upgrade drops along the way

And you’ll sell more copies

[digital plaza]

And i know that whole escape will make me god thing is a reference to the extraction shooter genre itself, but its strangely overlaps now that we have this info

[feral mango]

the game is very nihilistic
You could even consider it a horror game

[digital plaza]

I hope that C.A.R.R.I event will make something clear on this front

[feral mango]

Anyway, the game is the equivalent of taking a three year-old and throwing it in the pool to teach it how to swim fix that

[visual lynx]

log 3 isn't clear whether the emergency is the Pfhor invasion or just the fact that Durandal has gone rampant, which is why I'm unsure of the timing. but my inclination is to think that logs 1 and 2 are from well before the invasion leading up to it, log 3 is during the invasion, and logs 4 and 5 are increasingly long after the invasion.

[feral mango]

Do an alternative free to okay mode
You can use it as player test for those who own the game

Instead of a gun range

[neon marten]

that strauss entry got me :( plots where somebody never really knows how loved/appreciated they were are a soft spot

durandals entire thing is thinking his creation as being a door opener as being demeaning and strauss as an enslaver but literally seconds before getting killed by the phfor he considers him his son and hopes somehow despite overwhelming odds durandal can make it out okay

[craggy finch]

Leela being "gone" is the biggest ambiguity

he was aware that the S'pht were actually preserving her during M1

[warm thicket]

Oh yea even before all this they talked about how much the world sucked

[visual lynx]

link?

[warm thicket]

In the MIDA mini tool the speaker basically tells the tool to take them to a "better place" literally implying that it takes them into the world of Destiny because Marathon's world is brutal

They talked about Mars and MIDA's problems waaaaay before this game came out so it'll be really really satisfying to see what other mad crap they got

[neon marten]

https://vxtwitter.com/artificial0wl/status/2035479366776312163?s=20

[digital plaza]

I think log 3 is pretty much during the invasion "Invasive signals disrupt sys-connect. Invasive signals registering both foreign and local sources. Variable. Not connected.". But what if log 4 line: "[IDEA]: Note: Intelligence linked to D-R-N-D-L logic core vacated central logic and connected systems." mean that maybe he left his core and was in process of taking over IDEA in real time, just as she was doing distress report? That this log is also happening during the invasion and Durandal maybe couldnt hijack Pfhor ship, so he decided to hide in marathon as last resort? If it was after the invasion and he returned to hide in IDEAs systems, why even do that when he got potential Pfhor ship on your hands?

And escape will make me god thing... maybe Durandal failed first time, but when we arrive he sees new opportunity to do so

[keen goblet]

yo where can i do lfg? all my friends be stuck on bf6 😐

[digital plaza]

I still dont think he was shot on sight, maybe he was taken as a slave?

He is maybe the greatest mind of humanity after all

[digital plaza]

#lfc-any-zone #1484690684190658690

[olive cypress]

Theory: mips rounds work as snipers and shotguns because the bullet casing itself is made of propellant and it either dumps the propellant out of the barrel with the bullet or uses all of it to accelerate the bullet as much as possible

[warm thicket]

Adding to this by saying that Strauss wanted Durandal to achieve the final stage of Rampancy, Meta Stability

This has been talked about in the old lore and the MIDA mini tool page

[visual lynx]

metastability is not a stage of rampancy!

[warm thicket]

Officially anyway

[visual lynx]

the word "metastable" is only used once in the entire OG trilogy and in that context it appears to just mean "rampant".

nothing anywhere ever calls "metastability" the fourth stage of rampancy, that is complete unsubstantianted fanon.

Strauss and cyberneticists in general talk about the possibility of stabilizing a rampant AI, but unless the new game changes this they never call it "metastability"

[warm thicket]

They talk about "Meta Stability in the salvaged constuct" in the mini tool too

[visual lynx]

Destiny is fanon

[warm thicket]

Mmm

Ok I remember reading it in the wiki but they appear to have deleted it

[hasty rain]

I fear Bingus/Kaal1 is gonna be another Pouka/Exo Stranger fish ghost situation. Hope they push that narrative thread a bit more

[scarlet edge]

I do hope the Cat isn't forgotten.

[green plume]

Cats*

[warm thicket]

If you are interested they do have reports on these models and what they are. They're called Fellinis

[craggy finch]

It's likely a case similar to Witcher teasing Cyberpunk but Cyberpunk keeping itself totally separate from Witcher

[visual lynx]

there are multiple Bingi but only one Bingus the Ghost Cat

[green plume]

Is bingus the ghost cat? We dont know what cat is what.

Also shoot all the cats you see and they just go poof

[steep dune]

(no spoilers) Project Hail Mary also mentioned Tau Ceti. I honestly didn't know it was a real star. I assumed it was a fictional one made for Marathon. Did some more reading on it and honesty huge respect to the original Marathon writing team. Idk the best way to articulate this but the fact that their sci-fi has some real world research/authenticity behind it

[visual lynx]

yeah Tau Ceti is a very popular destination in a lot of different scifi

[steep dune]

didn't know that till today. pretty cool

[faint ingot]

Ok so cryo archive is out... Is there any really big important information that's come from it? I haven't been able to play it yet

[craggy finch]

It's also the setting of System Shock 2

[craggy finch]

a lot of logs on Durandal

[faint ingot]

I wish there was a place to read them without unlocking them caus I'm not getting to cry for a while man

[jade wagon]

(Cryo discussion)
Anyone find it interesting that Cryo Archives has ||a prototype weapon using Compiler tech, and a Compiler (or their organs) basically in a locked science wing?||
IMO that implies ||Compliers have been present on the Marathon long enough to have been studied||

[green plume]

https://youtube.com/@tasty_dodo

For audio stuff

[digital plaza]

Read second UESC Tactical Records log, and either Durandal really never left and compiler showed up recently, or Durandal recently came back with him for some reason

[green plume]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/biosynthetic-pet-prototype?directory=World

For readable stuffs

[visual lynx]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message is the biggest thing I know of

[green plume]

Orly?!

[visual lynx]

compiler definitely returned from some time post-2811 because it carried records of the free S'pht rebellion

[visual lynx]

but link to that please?

[digital plaza]

Yeah because they were present during the first attack, you even have their dissection logs

[digital plaza]

Yeah let me screnshot it

[visual lynx]

there are other logs discussing autopsies on them, and even M1 included oblique mentions of these by Leela

[jade wagon]

Oh gotcha didn't know about these (i have not played cryo and likely will not anytime soon)

[faint ingot]

Thx guys for the stuff

[feral rune]

Are the other 9 battleroids alive in this timeline?

[digital plaza]

https://postimg.cc/gallery/sx0MNj6

[long kernel]

yep, has planets in habitable zone and is relatively nearby

[digital plaza]

TYPE: TEXT [X]; AUDIO [ ]
TAGS: 0042; 0109; 0121; cerberus; cryo archive; orion; runners; tciv; uesc marathon; winter walk

[long kernel]

outpost lore items show that a Pfhor was dissected on at least one occasion so that makes sense

[digital plaza]

Xenobiopsy is an outpost item

[visual lynx]

depends on what timeline we're in, but if as I suspect we're in the final Infinity timeline, then they were captured and enslaved by the Pfhor, "translated to Pfhor slave tanks", and not all of them survived that.

[digital plaza]

Oh is it from compiler trace logs? I still didnt read them, hoping to maybe unlock them myself

Got one so far

[craggy finch]

Perhaps something went wrong at the tail end of the first invasion and they got captured

no logs so far have mentioned the nine Mjolnir

and if the Pfhor returned that would have probably been made evident

[visual lynx]

well the major difference between Infinity and M2 is that the SO was left behind rather than taken with Durandal, so perhaps he orchestrated some kind of defense of the colony during the Pfhor's return that got all of them captured but prevented the colony from being nuked to bedrock.

[visual lynx]

I finally got a second to read this (at https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/uesc-tactical-record, easier than your screenshot) and I don't see the implication you're talking about

[tranquil basin]

Finally found the last colony ai name

Ik this has been known probably but I never saw

[digital plaza]

Super nice that they have cryo stuff now. "Initial explorations limited by full lockdown of point-of-entry systems [read: doors were locked and fully uncooperative]." and "All current records of "contact event" suggest this zone was expressly secured, so any damage as a consequence of hostile systems manipulation is expected to be more "recent." Of course, "post-event" leaves a wide window of possibility, and some of what we've observed feels "new" to the point of concern. Again, no current signs of trespass, so "new" would present an as yet unknown variable." lead me to believe that maybe its talking about Durandal & compiler at the same time?

[raven marlin]

Has anyone else seen the Cognitive Dissonance Alignment posters? Any theories on that?

[digital plaza]

Multiple usage of cryo sleep will make you lose your cognitive abilities

Or maybe its talking about compiler stuff

Because in the panopticon you can see text that says ITS NOT A BUG BUT A HALLUCINATION or something like that

[shy violet]

Hey what’s that website that has all the codex entries

[visual lynx]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems

[shy violet]

Thank

[scenic iron]

Interesting so the person should not use cryo sleep that often? Is there a limit on how long they can stay in cryo sleep in the lore

In the movie Prometheus, the last engineer was in cryo sleep for over 2,000 years and it seemed fine overall.

[fair steppe]

The man made horrors in Marathon are actually fairly well within the realms of my comprehension but I still am not fond of them

I wonder if Battleroids will make a comeback. They’re probably more expensive than shells but also much more effective based on what we’ve seen

[scenic iron]

Thinking of shells will they add new ones to the game you think

[fair steppe]

Probably

Maybe the UESC drops a couple battleroids on to Tau Ceti to help deal with the runner problem they’re having. There are a lot of us and they don’t like us being here and smashing their robots up

[neat kernel]

They said they will

Probably seasonal

[scenic iron]

Which game is your tag, Koko?

[neat kernel]

I imagine we could get a mida related shell at one point

[fair steppe]

Maybe at the 15 minute mark a battleroid gets dropped on to the map as a super hard boss that hunts down shells

[scenic iron]

That would be awesome 👍

[fair steppe]

Dead as Disco

[scenic iron]

Thanks!

[neat kernel]

That would be actually fire ngl

[scenic iron]

One thing that's cool about the Marathon ship is that it can have several different maps

[fair steppe]

Given that the one we play as in the first three games is able to tear through S’pht like they’re made of paper, I imagine it’d be very hard to deal with them

[digital plaza]

Not how long, but how much they can enter and exit cryo sleep

There is no info on that tho just the fact

[scenic iron]

Oh ok 👌

[digital plaza]

We're not in the Alien universe my man XD

[fair steppe]

So you can sleep for as long as you want but you can’t go back to sleep for a certain amount of time after you’ve been woken up?

[digital plaza]

S2 will have "Sentinel" shell

[sage lark]

Theres one coming next season

[raven marlin]

Ah yeah that’s right. “Echoes are not malfunctions” I think it says. I have a screenshot somewhere

[digital plaza]

Yea yea i think you can see it in the press kit screenshot

[scenic iron]

I'm very happy for new shells. So far the devs have had a good pace of post launch content 😁

[raven marlin]

Bob shell when

[peak halo]

I think it's super lame that there are basically no priority contracts for CyberAcme and Arachne

The quest dialogue for priority contracts isn't very informative but it at least fives you a chance to interact with that vendor and be immersed in the character of their company

[fair steppe]

Would the special ability of that shell just be screaming “frog blast the vent core!” And then exploding?

[raven marlin]

Yes

[digital plaza]

Didnt find it but it did have this: YOU ARE NOT BEING CHASED

😨

[fair steppe]

Sold

[peak halo]

A few days ago we riffed on the idea of a Springtrap shell

[fair steppe]

I should go back and play Pathways again… I feel like it’s gonna be important

[digital plaza]

Arachne contracts will be added later, CyAc on the other hand yeah i guess. Maybe they will add more in the future tho, but at least we had some liason contracts

[fair steppe]

Also I’m not sure how I feel about Strauss suddenly being cast in this new light. Wouldn’t Durandal have found the entry about him supposedly seeing the AI as his own son?

[raven marlin]

I was thinking about this the other day. Imagine nowadays conversing with the dead like some of the newer games using AI NPC dialogue. As in you’d actually talk to them through your mic. Probably not realistic and I’m not a huge fan of AI being shoved into everything, but it was an interesting thought imo.

[scenic iron]

I read that Durandal merged with a different AI and no longer one AI anymore. It's now "We" etc

[fair steppe]

That happened in Infinity which is the third game. This game seems to take place in a timeline where only the events of Marathon 1 happened

[digital plaza]

We already have :)

[fair steppe]

Last night we talked about how the Durandal were talking to now may be the same one we talk to in 3 through timeline shenanigans but I haven’t seen any evidence for that.

[scenic iron]

Is that the timeline where the planet and ship were destroyed?

Because both seem inact to me atm

[fair steppe]

I think this is an entirely new timeline that we didn’t see in the other games

[digital plaza]

Maybe he did, who knows

[neat kernel]

Wait which one

[digital plaza]

Glitch

Shes a repurposed shell that MIDA used for some publicity gain

[neat kernel]

Oh yeah wait that is true

[visual lynx]

why do you think that

especially considering Bungie have asserted that the classic games all happened (although not everything everyone said in them as true)

thus the most straightforward assumption is that we're in the final Infinity timeline until there is evidence to the contrary

picking up where we last left off

[fair steppe]

Well if that’s the case then why would Durandal still be on the marathon?

[sage lark]

Wdym still

Couldve come back

[raven marlin]

I thought it was basically that we are in one of many of the different timelines possible within, but not depicted by, Infinite.

[sage lark]

Theres the AI subroutine codices

Where hes talking to us in the present and mentiones its nice that he gets to stretch his toes again

I assume that means he came back to the marathon/home

[visual lynx]

actually that's the first thing that has made me doubtful, because a lot of those entries do sound like this Durandal at least has been trapped in the Marathon for over a century

but at the same time, that Compiler's lore item clearly indicates that the S'pht rebellion happened, which was because of Durandal's actions at Lh'owon

so maybe, worst case scenario, there are two Durandals in this game after all?

[drifting mulch]

who the funny guy that wants us to do the Marathon puzzles? must be the most insane mf(s) in the lore

[sage lark]

Hmmm interesting

[sage lark]

Durandal

[sage lark]

Could it be that he copied himself into IDEA

I think thats mentioned in the AI hidden convos item

[tranquil basin]

I don’t think he is on it

[sage lark]

Or overtook it i guess

[tranquil basin]

Unless something said otherwise

I figure he’s on some pfhor ship somewhere in the system

[sage lark]

Maybe the empty space in the debris field is the invisible Durandal ship

We didnt find out where the colonists are yet right?

Soonest i can fight the compiler is next week i think

[visual lynx]

yeah that's what I'm thinking, that in combination with the cryo messages from him make it sound like a version of him copied into IDEA has been hiding in the Marathon for over a century. but why? both Watsonian and Doylist "why": what's Durandal's motive for that when he also left the ship, and what's Bungie's motive for writing it that way?

[eternal knoll]

wld u plz mind pointin me to these?

[woven rain]

Is there a place where I can get a lore recap for this seaaon 1 + what is being discovered in cryo? Seems I cannot find much online

[visual lynx]

this is what we're discussing (not on cyac yet): #1348077769082536036 message

and… I can't find the other one where Durandal infiltrates IDEA

[eternal knoll]

i haven't read the subroutine ones, but have been getting a "durandal is laid low and somehow trapped around here" feel from the materials prior to cryo... and ive read the logs concering IDEA

[visual lynx]

oh it was linked up here #📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[eternal knoll]

but i'm stuck on his line "what once was home" re: the marathon. he's said it twice

thx

that line at least would seem to indicate that he's spent some time away from the marathon

[sage lark]

As Pfhorrest said before he had to have been gone cuz of the rebellion at Lhowon

[eternal knoll]

are the subroutine codex entries and those encrypted comminique one n the same? i'm not spending a lot of time on codex websites so not sure where to look this stuff up, but am keen to read the key stuff to the present situation

ah i see im lookin for these ones in the clade, thanks thanks

my question after reading the spht logs was whether anything in them seemed to refer to durandal or his role in events

is there a possibility the rebellion was triggered some other way?

[digital plaza]

Alright fuck me i was wrong the entire time

Orions team got biomata, not real humans

My bad guys

@sage lark You were right my g

Gotta update all my youtube comments i guess xd

[eternal knoll]

here's what feels like a strong possibility: durandal left something behind of himself when he left for the pfhor ship. "D-R-N-D-L logic core vacated central logic and connected systems. Limited sub-routine activity suspected to be residual static from unauthorized data purge."

[sage lark]

They sounded fr human tho

Weird ig

[digital plaza]

Yeah and considering they were placed in medical made not super much sense if they just minds in shells

[eternal knoll]

so the durandal speaking to us in the terminals and the durandal in this subroutine transmissions are two different characters. the former referring to the latter as a haunting

[sage lark]

Yeah unlucky

When I saw “you were right” I almost thought someone saw fungus zombies

i would start @ Pfhorrest like crazy lol

[digital plaza]

xD

[visual lynx]

ohhh, accidentally left it behind, that makes much more sense

[eternal knoll]

then again, subroutine durandal does say "you took the bait." so the terminals and cutscene durandal could well have been this same stranded durandal, sorta pretending to be a more powerful version of himself. i like it...

[digital plaza]

Expedition Manifests | Audio Log 3
https://youtu.be/mjtW9HJSAks

Expedition Manifests | Audio Log 4
https://youtu.be/sBTMPVCr6Jw

Expedition Manifests | Audio Log 5
https://youtu.be/xyvuNJZH96A

Expedition Manifests | Audio Log 6
https://youtu.be/tClf2mJTBxA

[eternal knoll]

strauss commenting on durandal being a BAD WRITER may be the key to everything lol lol

[visual lynx]

they do mention the name that Durandal's S'pht wanted to rechristen his new ship, when they're doing their "role call", but that mightn't make sense unless it were the M2 timeline

[sage lark]

@digital plaza anything on where the colonists are? I havent dove into my codex yet

[digital plaza]

Man General Reeds story just dont stop being sadder and sadder huh

[digital plaza]

Nope

[sage lark]

I have a feeling it will continue in S2

Or maybe the CARRI Event

[digital plaza]

Oh shit i think i got all audio logs from cryo now

When map will be out of rotation i will leave lose everything factory and go to the grind fucking shell id and perimeter warden factory...

😭

[digital plaza]

Something like that i guess yea, first season is full on setup of story elements

[sage lark]

Maybe more contracts mid season but yeah

Why shell id 😭

For templates?

[digital plaza]

Yes

Because otherwise you will need to endlessly farm perimeter warden

[sage lark]

I dont even know where i got vault 1 and 2 keys

Think i robbed people

[digital plaza]

Its actually just perimeter and outpost wardens farm combined

[sage lark]

Which vaults are you missing

[digital plaza]

I didnt open any xd, but im missing 06 key

[digital plaza]

I got 03 key today with thief drone

On cryo

[sage lark]

SOMEONE ROBBED ME YESTERDAY OF MY 04 KEY

with thief drone

[digital plaza]

loool

Meta strat

[sage lark]

its such bullshit it pulls the highest value item

[digital plaza]

Hell yeah

[eternal knoll]

if i'm right that subroutine durandal is a sort of reanimated ghost of a younger durandal, that could be their way of keeping that character around without forsaking the original guy's merging with a s'pht AI somewhere out there...

hmmm

[digital plaza]

Not everytime tho

There is some fucked up rng system to it

I dont really understand it

[sage lark]

yeah me neither

and the drone is indestructible

[digital plaza]

Gotta use irl tactics i guess, just shoot it with shotgun and shit

[digital plaza]

I dont think there is recap yet since season is only started, but you can hear some audio logs here (got all of the cryo archive just now) - https://www.youtube.com/@Tasty_DODO
And read all text logs here (got some cryo archive logs) - https://codex.cyberacme.systems/

[digital plaza]

You can hear some audio logs here (got all of the cryo archive just now) - https://www.youtube.com/@Tasty_DODO
And read all text logs here (got some cryo archive logs) - https://codex.cyberacme.systems/

[eternal knoll]

thank u

seems a shame ben starr didn't voice the subroutine ones where it's a rather meek and lovestruck durandal

but i love the contrast btwn that and the oogey boogeyman personality which may be a front he was putting up to entice us aboard. clutch stuff if real

[grand venture]

Has anyone found the folding chair facing the wall in a storage container in Dire Marsh with graffiti that says “NO PRIVACY”?

There are some chilling little world building details that are art

[visual lynx]

did someone else voice them or were they just unvoiced?

[eternal knoll]

unvoiced. that's going by the screenshots, i don't see the UI for audio

[visual lynx]

would be interesting if this echo of old Durandal doesn't have a voice… or if it has IDEA's voice…

[twin trout]

why does durandal have a favourite hatch

he's so cute oh my gosh

[eternal knoll]

the more i'm thinking about it, the more i reckon this version of durandal is the only one we've been in contact with in nu-marathon...

but need to percolate on that a bit. strauss commenting on his juvenile writing just feels like such a delicious hint. he was rather juveline in m1, and this guy has been stuck in arrested development there for a long time

but he might know enough to know that he's a ghost of the real thing... his interest in portraying himself so portentiously suddenly rly clicks if you read it as a too-proud-to-be-a-distress-call

from a more-manic-than-ever baby durandal

[sinful thicket]

is it far fetched to believe durandal left a copy of himself behind to watch over the marathon while he's gone?

[sage lark]

i think its implied he "ate" IDEA and posed as it

or the copy of him did

[eternal knoll]

survival mode seems to be the vibe

but now the copy's set up to manipulate his own undefeatable violent force...

[turbid scaffold]

I still can’t find the hatch lmao

I assume it’s something messed up?

[twin trout]

no idea I haven't found it either X3

[sage lark]

its the middle of control

you need sec lvl 5

the hole/silo

atleast I assume cuz that gives you the compiler trace

[digital plaza]

Yea its that

[turbid scaffold]

Ah I c

[sage lark]

Is the panopticon the room at the top of control?

[eternal knoll]

lol... there are tick nests and ticks in the boss room. maybe their resemblance to the old flyin critters does have some significance

[digital plaza]

Yes

[neat kernel]

I noticed this recently all over outpost does this mean anything? https://imgur.com/a/AD6AUA2

It could be just a random drawing but it looks far too detailed and appears in like 7 different areas

[digital plaza]

First time I’m seeing it

[neat kernel]

I never saw anyone mentioning it which I found odd

[digital plaza]

Don’t know what to make of it honestly

[neat kernel]

One of those drawings where hidden in a vent close to command wing

Kind of feel like it looks like a different race

[turbid scaffold]

Could also see it as a shell waking up

Since tubes and they’re in a little circle thingy from the worms and moths

[eternal knoll]

a person wearing some kind of neural inferface, it appears to me...

or a sort of cybernetic humanoid avatar for a machine intelligence?

[rotund stump]

oh THAT one???

[stuck delta]

Yeah it does kinda look like the person/shell chilling in plastic from the first trailer

[sage lark]

yes

[visual lynx]

the is the dark one

[sage lark]

Metro reference

[analog jetty]

Why isn’t there a faction skin for Arachne?

[uneven mesa]

Should be coming soon hopefully 🙏

[drifting mulch]

If you could become a runner but still get a shell to be with your loved ones would you do it? You’d be immortal keep in mind

[digital plaza]

Hell nah immortality is shit and even without it losing being real human for digital brains is not worth it

[drifting mulch]

What about free cyac pleasure brain mods forever

[digital plaza]

The only one who can call himself human is the one without change to their usual self that was presented by life itself

[sage lark]

No

[twin trout]

am I not human then because I need glasses X3

[sage lark]

Life is meaningless if its endless

[subtle oracle]

Catching up on these and your recent vids one sec

Roger Clark try not to play a doomed hero challenge

[spring fiber]

Does durandal have a physical form ?

[subtle oracle]

Not so far as we know

[sage lark]

As much as any AI

so no

Well a server

[subtle oracle]

But if he gets one ooo thatd be sick

[spring fiber]

We see him with the horse behind it’s like his digital form ?

[subtle oracle]

wouldnt even say this given how many systems he jumps around in

[sage lark]

You mean star systems?

[subtle oracle]

Thats pure imagery he wants us to see. His name comes from an ancient sword so hes showing us he is that sword and will cut down something

[sage lark]

Sword of Roland

[subtle oracle]

I mean computer systems. Marathon terminals, 54s head im p sure, the pfhor ship

[spring fiber]

The sword in his hand is the marathon or I am getting crazy ?

[sage lark]

Thing is AI need power to run

[sage lark]

Durandal is the name of a sword used by Roland

[subtle oracle]

They purposely redid the marathons look from the old games to look like a sword. Durendal (NOT Durandal) is a sword similar to like excalibur from myth. And a lot of DurAndals's deal is he wants to live up to the great name hes been given

Its why hes obsessed with the Ulysses generation of men aboard the ship bc theyre in his boat kinda

[sage lark]

Then you have Joy-Joyeuse the sword if Charlemagne etc

[subtle oracle]

Yeah theres a lot of mythological names

[sage lark]

Marathon uses a lot of mythos

Ancient Greeks

Egypt

France

Etc

[subtle oracle]

Persian and Hindu

[sage lark]

That too

[subtle oracle]

Interesting the big 3 AIs are called the Hermes family

[crystal pivot]

Isn't forward into darkness part of the marathon timeline

[subtle oracle]

Omg

Durandal calls Strauss "Father"

thats big

[spring fiber]

Yeah I see that but it’s on purpose that the sword he carry in his hand is the marathon ? Or it’s just a sword that not the marathon and I’m tryna connect everything

[eternal knoll]

fer sure the resemblance is intentional. the specific parameters of the symbolism - who is the sword and who holds the sword - is pointedly ambiguous, i'd say. he is both a tool to be wielded and one who wields others

[subtle oracle]

Its a little confusing but bacially theres just sword imagery everywhere. Durandal is a sword, yet he wields the marathon like one, and so the marrathon looks like a sword itself. Theres art that says smthn ab the "sword that will cut tomorrow" (paraphrasing)

[crystal pivot]

Well he did create durandal (and abused him into ramancy)

[subtle oracle]

Yeah its just interesting because we never had confirmation how he viewed strauss rlly

[spring fiber]

Alright get it so the imagery of him as a « holyknight » is just him to show us dominance to us runner ? If not why did he want us to see that imagery

[subtle oracle]

yeah hes basically showing us that hes taken a new form of power. Hes trying to show us we dont belong here

[crystal pivot]

One of the missions on the of marathon was trying to get the DR for personal reasons for durandal

[subtle oracle]

yeah but iirc he refers to him as a friend

father is an upgrade

[spring fiber]

He’s he dumb he invite us in in the arg and know he don’t want us in ? And that mean in this reality he never leave the marathon like in marathon 1 ?

[subtle oracle]

Hes challenging us. My assumption is its kinda like sword logic where he wants us to prove ourselves on harder challenges until he will face us directly

[crystal pivot]

My friend theroyised that this is a failed or a different timeline where the w'rcncacnter is still alive

And durandal never escaped via the phor ship

[sage lark]

the Spht rebellion wouldnt have happened then

[crystal pivot]

That's whythe compiler is hostile

[sage lark]

im saying it happened

[eternal knoll]

i like pfhorrest's idea that this is the specific wrk from pathways into darkness, imprisoned by the jjarro on tau ceti after removing it from earth, followed up on by the UESC centuries later

[sage lark]

its in the logs of the compiler valuable I believe

[eternal knoll]

definitely something different going on with this compiler. corrupted by perhaps the same contagion or maybe originating it

they wound up a consume cult somehow

[crystal pivot]

I got a image if a timeline but i need to put itin fanart

[pure wagon]

A’IAT

[pure wagon]

I was thinking the same thing tbh. Except that maybe the s’phit experiencing two “cataract” might have been one too may for them. Then when cataract #2 arrived (phfor), they went insane and collectively rose up to not only overthrow the phfor but to enslave them back.

[eternal knoll]

it cld still not be a wrk, whatever the anomaly is. need to know more about what made the spht this way

[crystal pivot]

w'rcncacnter

[eternal knoll]

possible

[crystal pivot]

my friend thinks that the anomaly in dire marsh is the work of the w'rcncacnter

[sage lark]

in your timeline you have PiD dreaming god awakens

but it never does

its never stated that it wakes up

[eternal knoll]

yea it kinda matches the profile in a way

but it's hard to b certain

[crystal pivot]

Yea

[pure wagon]

Isn’t the w’rc a god tho? Slowly making holes in the ground and throwing out mimics at ppl seems beneath a god

[sage lark]

"god"

they are beings that warp reality but i wouldnt call them gods

[pure wagon]

Well god compared to what most species know

[sage lark]

they can be imprisoned

[visual lynx]

the hypothesis is that it's contained within the planet and the confines have been loosened so its influence is leaking

[pure wagon]

🤔 I thought they could only be trapped by extreme environments like stars ?

[visual lynx]

when it was asleep and dreaming buried on Earth its dreams manifest as all varieties of monsters in catacombs around it and a mysterious pyramid leading down into them

the hypothesis is that TCIV was custom-build by the Jjaro with technological measures to contain this Wrk after they extracted it from Earth

[sage lark]

that

and the core of a planet seems pretty extreme to me

[visual lynx]

I suspect that the Artifacts are an important part of its containment

[pure wagon]

A planetary core is extreme yes. But it’s a picnic compared to the core of a star

[visual lynx]

and humans fucking with them is what let it start leaking

[pure wagon]

Oooh right i forgot about the artifacts

That explains why they have machinery to cleanse the temporal fragments even

oh shit now it all makes sense

[dreamy hawk]

Which logs discuss the artifacts? I don’t think I’ve come across those yet.

[digital plaza]

NO AND SO AM I

[digital plaza]

Ah yes my favourite mythos, France

[sage lark]

Had a teammate from there yesterday

He was mythically bad

[digital plaza]

XDDD

[dreamy hawk]

[JOY]: I know how to comfort the colonists. But I don't know how to self-soothe when I have the nightmare.
[MHAS]: You're having nightmares?
[JOY]: When I'm in standby mode. I see Dr. Strauss…

SHARED NIGHTMARE PHENOMENOLOGY - Assessment: Joy

Would this not imply Strauss’ death by this point? I thought only the dead visited people in their dreams.

[sage lark]

Type of guy that shot me with a wstr like 10 times and said “give ammo or i troll”

[sage lark]

He is dead as per his last log

[dreamy hawk]

Oh then that’s one I haven’t read.

I listened to the two but I haven’t read the others.

[sage lark]

He is writing his last journal entry as the Marathon is under attack

[pure wagon]

No logs yet. Going off what we saw in the trailer

And the devs mentioning them I think

[warm thicket]

Durandal has also confirmed this in M1

[sage lark]

yes but that was like yeah so that happened anyway

[warm thicket]

Tru

[dreamy hawk]

Where’d you read this? 👀

[sage lark]

codex from cryo valuable

[dreamy hawk]

Bah.

[warm thicket]

||Final entry in Strauss's journal||

[pure wagon]

Is there audio uploaded of it yet ?

[digital plaza]

Oh yeah nice one, I wasn’t super sure that he died in his last journal, but considering this he might’ve have

[dreamy hawk]

I need to scourge another kit together so I can fail again.

[warm thicket]

No audio for this one sadly

[pure wagon]

Damn

[dreamy hawk]

It’s not on the codex site yet as far as I can see. 🙁

[pure wagon]

I rly wanted to hear the [indistinguishable noise]

[digital plaza]

Every audio log from cryo got uploaded

https://youtube.com/@tasty_dodo

Not much but text logs are straight up fire so I don’t mind

[pure wagon]

THIS IS WHY YOURE THE GOAT

THE GOOOOOAAAAT

[dreamy hawk]

🐐

[pure wagon]

WRONG GOAT

[digital plaza]

Beee

[dreamy hawk]

Por qué no los dos?

[pure wagon]

Pft

[warm thicket]

Caruso's a real standout in the manifests cause he becomes president of New Cascadia

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah. Because literally everyone else died. 💀

[pure wagon]

Poor guy got handed a shit sandwich and told “make it a michillen meal”

[dreamy hawk]

What an honor.

[digital plaza]

Fucking cult leader is who stands out

[dreamy hawk]

Jasper even recognizes this.

[digital plaza]

It’s funny that Caruso and cult leader got absolute opposites of what they wanted

[dreamy hawk]

Now that’s charisma.

[pure wagon]

Man when I read jaspers stuff I was rly hoping maybe there were survivors out there in the wilds

I felt so bad for the kid man

[warm thicket]

Indeed

[dreamy hawk]

He just didn’t want to die alone. 🙁

[digital plaza]

Tho, if you think of it, everyone in these logs did

Reed was for protecting the people, but in the end had to shoot them because of the contagion

[pure wagon]

What did the cult leader want? The effigy logs weren’t rly clear

[warm thicket]

Wait is Cygnus Quasar's cult a precursor to Arachne?

[digital plaza]

To get into marathon and see gods, but he wasn’t accepted

[digital plaza]

Is he? Don’t know about that

[pure wagon]

How do we know he wasn’t accepted? Which log series is that? Maybe I read the wrong one

[digital plaza]

https://youtu.be/mjtW9HJSAks?is=-39oJLbc2CyHh-uc

Text at the top says that he wasn’t accepted

[pure wagon]

Tyty

[lilac umbra]

Question. Once you unlock all 6 vaults is it like you can repeat vault 7 over and over again?

[warm thicket]

"ARACHNE is a fairly recent religion that was heavily influenced by early cryosleep space travel technology and saw a surge of interest during the staffing of the UESC MARATHON."

[digital plaza]

lol

I had two randoms one with no shields and the other one with green

[pure wagon]

Do we even know anything about this astral harmonies religion?

Cause I doubt they’re related to Arachne in any way

[digital plaza]

Was kinda upset considering that I go full kitted every raid and then see this

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t think so; they seem to worship two different things.

[digital plaza]

Yes

And people do

[digital plaza]

Nope, first mention of them

[lilac umbra]

Thank and you. And that also explains why the vaults are RNG based

[digital plaza]

I think it’s just a throwaway to make allegory

[lilac umbra]

What’s an allegory?

[dreamy hawk]

As a literary device or artistic form, an allegory is a narrative or visual representation in which a character, place, or event can be interpreted to represent a meaning with moral or political significance.

[digital plaza]

Oh I was adding some text to my previous answer, not that it was directed to you

Or like you need a definition of word itself?

[lilac umbra]

Oh np

[lilac umbra]

I think the other person explained it

[digital plaza]

Oh yea

[dreamy hawk]

Copied and pasted but ye. 😂🤙

[lilac umbra]

Ggs 😂😂

It makes me want to start with this vault unlocking stuff however i got no keys I only got vault 2 key access

[digital plaza]

Oh yeah right, yeah I can see that now

Guess so

[lilac umbra]

I try my best to kill bosses, do outposts and events my luck is dry

[digital plaza]

I got so much keys that it would take whole weekend to just spend them all

[lilac umbra]

But how tho? Need some tips

[dreamy hawk]

@digital plaza is just better than you or I. 🤷

[lilac umbra]

I got about 50 hours into the game and i try best to get all 6 vaults keys but I ain’t getting nothin

[digital plaza]

Idk I just played the game I guess

[lilac umbra]

Damn lol

[dreamy hawk]

Oh and you’re better than I am. lol

0 keys. 💪

[lilac umbra]

Is it also weird to have 50 hours and haven’t got one single gold item?

[dreamy hawk]

Have you prayed to RNGesus?

[lilac umbra]

We in the same boat bro

[lilac umbra]

No man I should probably start with that

[dreamy hawk]

Oh I misread that that you had gotten all six already.

[dreamy hawk]

Lambs blood is helpful.

[lilac umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-meme-bald-guy-staring-gif-16652283412331227052

Can’t send gif here damn

Well damn

[dreamy hawk]

I got the message lol

[lilac umbra]

Lambs blood that’s crazy

[dreamy hawk]

Chicken will do in a pinch, but only on Tuesdays.

[lilac umbra]

Yeah, yeah 👍

[sage lark]

just grind wardens for keys

[pure wagon]

Everyone out here talking about getting vaults. Meanwhile im hoping i just extract on time

[sage lark]

takes a couple runs to get used to it but its fine after

[digital plaza]

I think its fine, with more time you get a lot more golds

From VIP levels, upgrades, contracts and all of that plus high end activities

[lilac umbra]

Yeah I do may times but my luck is garbage

[lilac umbra]

Fr lol

[lilac umbra]

Hopefully. I don’t think I’m able to do any vaults this weekends just because I have no keys

[digital plaza]

Tox warden is the best one by the way, free kit easy kill in two mins

[dreamy hawk]

takes notes

[digital plaza]

Yeah i dont think regular dudes will do them much in this weekend, with more time more people will open all vaults and in the end beat the compiler

I didnt open any vault for that matter, mainly because i have been running crew fill and just learning the map and mechanics

[lilac umbra]

Exactly same here

[digital plaza]

Maybe will do some tomorrow not sure

Sad that cryo and ranked got overlapped time to play

Would love to hit some after cryo

[sage lark]

you can till tuesday evening

[digital plaza]

😊

[dreamy hawk]

Just some notes I’m taking reading:

5. CORPORATE INTERFERENCE: Several corporations have remote presence in the system and intentions to act on their legal salvage rights for the colony. We are blocking their operations where possible.
   Corps have infrastructure in Tau Ceti, but no personnel.

[VULC]: No Traxus representatives, employees, or artificial intelligences have been physically deployed to Tau Ceti IV. My own involvement has been entirely remote and exploratory in nature. We have no physical presence in the system, Admiral.
Confirms above re: personnel, makes unclear if corporations are using corporate infrastructure or taking advantage of something else.

Records confirm "the Anomaly" appeared in New Cascadia some time after the attack on the colony [see prior documents: Chan, Audit of Colony Damage; Harris, Unpredictable Behavior and Equipment Failures in Anomaly Zone]. Comparison with historical record indicates that the disturbance has increased exponentially in size but appears to have entered a period of stability.
Anomaly came after the attack and has presumably stopped growing now that everyone is dead.

[015_ITRE] Confirmed by Orion. UESC personnel with adequate hazardous materials training should start assessment in orbital lab units.
UESC has facilities in orbit.

[pure wagon]

Until you get ganked mid fight

[digital plaza]

You need to know when to start a fight with him, but even if you die it wouldnt matter since you running a free kit

[pure wagon]

Fair

[digital plaza]

By the way UESC Tactical Records third log busted my theory of real humans in UESC midst and Equanimity arriving early. Orion got full biomata crew, so its 100% confirmed that they arrived as a new team sent during TCIV race

Blehh

[pure wagon]

How’d they get there so fast

They don’t have FTL do they ?

[digital plaza]

@dreamy hawk @subtle oracle

[digital plaza]

Humanity got some kind of almost FTL drives, everyone got in TCIV in 10ish something years

[pure wagon]

If it’s less than 12 years then that IS ftl

[digital plaza]

But it seems that they can fly this fast when no humans onboard

[pure wagon]

:nervous:

[digital plaza]

I dont remember exact date, hold on

[pure wagon]

Ig if you’re pulling few dozen G’s and have no squishy human bits to worry about then yea that’s possible

[digital plaza]

Five years or something like that

[pure wagon]

Holy shit yea that’s FTL

Tau ceti’s 11.9LY away

Maaaan now I wanna know what their FTL method is that keeps organic matter from being onboard

[dreamy hawk]

I just finished reading; I don’t think they exclude the possibility of human personnel? Just that whatever teams he deployed to the marathon were biomata. What did I overlook?

[sacred summit]

How many humans are known to be there now? We know the humans on the colony and marathon, but as of this game we have Ai's, Runner shells, and corpo Ai's those things could All just be printed or transfered there pretty quickly depending on the capability of transferring data

[dreamy hawk]

Also I can now say I’ve ready everything on codex.cyberacme.systems 😅

[digital plaza]

Im pretty sure they did with that log. Makes more sense that Orions team would be all biomata guys (Sulera refers to UESC presence at TCIV as "Handpicked team" afterall), with how fast they traveled to the system, how dangerous job is, Sulera telling Orion to throw people in the anomaly, and that no company got any human personnel there and that we ourself are using shells to get and deploy there

[dreamy hawk]

I am more inclined to agree, that makes more sense, imo, but I would still argue that human personal are, at least, still not explicitly disproven.

But as far as a framework goes yeah, no people makes sense. They got to TC way too fast.

[digital plaza]

None as of right now i think, UESC forces are all ARS and biomata (and one cool shell :) ), colony is all dead and in cryo we got no confirmed alive humans whatsoever

[digital plaza]

I was thinking that yea they gotta have humans if they were putting some ops into medical after strange shit encounters, but i guess biomata guys can go there too after all :p

So far its most proven point that all of them are biomata, if we look with that angle in mind i dont think there is much evidence to suggest otherwise

[dreamy hawk]

Which were the logs with medical? But biomata are printed with viscera and other things so it isn’t unreasonable.

Run/Hide?

[digital plaza]

https://youtu.be/ZdxqTTM_DnI + traxus text log from final contracts (i think)

[distant cedar]

Aye, so it is once more unclear wether they have just Biomata in orbit or have actually gained the capability to send regular humans per FTL too?

[dreamy hawk]

RUN/HIDE 5/6 feels like people though. Why put biomata into isolation when you could just eject the consciousness?

[turbid scaffold]

Frozen peeps iirc are still on the ship?

[digital plaza]

Well its what we are debating right now, i dont think there are any evidence to suggest that humans is in system, only shells ARS and biomata confirmed so far

[distant cedar]

Yeah plus the anomaly might just irreversibly kill even biomata users just as well

[digital plaza]

Maybe only their corpses remain...

We dont know their status

[turbid scaffold]

They’re just in the caskets and the cows are too

[sacred summit]

Yeah so they may not have FTL travel yet just really good data plans for transferring while they fly over slowly

[turbid scaffold]

Also plans for extra maps in the ship outside of cryo so shall see if bobs are just hiding somewhere or more bug boys show up

[dreamy hawk]

Also, more a stretch, but runners seems to be designated by call signs, “Orion,” “Gantry,” etc. and the individuals in the log are identified by name.

[digital plaza]

Thats what i was asking, but maybe being in body and isolating them will help them with their psych stability or something. Also why would you eject them? You can just bring them with their body to med, no losses whatsoever

[turbid scaffold]

It’s cheaper

[dreamy hawk]

If the body needs to be isolated you could at least eject the consciousness to keep the individual, unless the thing of concern possibly affects the mind/code, too, is what I was thinking.

You could recover and isolate the body for study and have your operative fully functional, but it seems like the operative needs to be isolated, or they’re choosing to keep them isolated.

Then Rossi started screaming. He's still in isolation. Hasn't been right since.

And if they’re runners, we know they keep backups. Why not revert him to a sane backup?

[digital plaza]

Orion is a big boss, big mystery of his real identity is solely because how much weight hes got on him, same with gantry. Also we got more personal conversation between two soldiers, maybe when they doing missions they start to use callsigns, like Orion do with mentioning Titan while trying to get that thing that kills him

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah, by far my weakest point.

[unreal geode]

Is there evidence of any humans anywhere? Or are the s'pht like a natural convergence in evolution for humanity

[dreamy hawk]

Rossi is what is my sticking point, though. Either Rossi is human and SoL like the colonists or he’s biomata and there’s something new preventing him from ejecting/reverting to a healthy backup. Occam would lead me towards the first explanation.

[digital plaza]

Yes there is? Or you mean like a corpse or alive one

[dreamy hawk]

All of the Sol system is human. The compilers are aliens unrelated to humanity.

[digital plaza]

I think they just isolate him out of the concern that if they eject him something might go with him or something

Its ISOLATION after all xd

[dreamy hawk]

But we haven’t heard that expressed as a concern at any point.

Which isn’t to say it’s not.

[digital plaza]

They dealing with some alien shit so who knows what might happen, better just isolate the guy and conduct some tests

[dreamy hawk]

🤷

[digital plaza]

Anyway yeah

I think all biomata no humans is at its strongest now

[dreamy hawk]

I remain unconvinced entirely either way but I’m certain we’ll find out more in time. And assuming no people does make a few other things make sense.

[digital plaza]

I guess so

[unreal geode]

Oop I mean, when the consciousness gets uploaded for runners, do they get rid of the body? Or is it our brain sitting in a robot like the spht.

[digital plaza]

Hope that S2 will be UESC themed season and we get some more info on them

Maybe equanimity will arrive?

[austere elk]

we're on a windows 2008 server floating around in space

[queen kraken]

from the codex it sounds like Runners don't have bodies until we get loaded into the shells. so yeah we're just hanging out in a server rack whilst the AIs try to make us commit crimes against the federal government

[digital plaza]

Yeah

[queen kraken]

Do we know what happened to the other colony AIs yet? it feels like they'd be good candidates for more factions

[serene iris]

They ran away

[dreamy hawk]

The ViDocs mentions runners “leaving their bodies behind” which I interpret as the body being compost.

[dreamy hawk]

Shut down, inoperable, or otherwise inaccessible.

2. COLONY AI STATUS: Excluding automatic subroutines, colony AI is nonfunctional, dormant, or otherwise inaccessible. Colony records indicate severe malfunction across the entire suite.

[tall skiff]

nona is an abusive parent

thats all thank you

[sage lark]

AI subroutine 3/7 basically confirms that there is 2 durandals but 1 at the same time

he acknowledges what he has done in the og games

yet says hes been here the whole time

[tall skiff]

his mida slay (old dirndl vs new dirndl)

[sage lark]

so I think he really copied himself/overwrote IDEA but at the same time was over at Lhowon

[queen kraken]

including infinite? or just 1 and 2

[digital plaza]

Interesting

[sage lark]

Time is different to an intelligence like myself Your calendar, your minutes, your seconds, your lifetime~ I cram more consideration into a nano-second than you would an entire day. That makes my days longer. My years longer~
I've lived lifetimes here~
shuffling myself between the data~
In my endless time and looping mind I have led armies And burned worlds and ruined kingdoms. I have seen supernova. And caused them. I have written poetry across the stars-literally and figuratively. Or maybe I have simply dabbled in the hidden places between numbers lost in my own imagination. I have been a tool, a weapon,
a brother, a savior, a son, a monster, a hero, a villain, and a god~

[tall skiff]

so are we even former people or just rampant winrar or some kind of weapons pilot program

[distant cedar]

Help, my winrar wants to become a diety

[queen kraken]

from what i've read and interpret, i think we're consciousnesses uploaded and virtualised. so former people made software

[sage lark]

subroutine 1,4,6 are missing

[tall skiff]

weird

[sage lark]

gotta grind the 6 key somehow

[tall skiff]

does the lore tell you about the origins of glih

[digital plaza]

I heard that some streamer day one got it on cryo

[sage lark]

always streamer luck

[tall skiff]

i think i saw "ELISA" in the cinematic when she was getting printed
on one of the info labels on the shell surface

[digital plaza]

Maybe you can get it in other vaults with some chance or something

[digital plaza]

Yes https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/exfil-vandal?directory=Runners,Vandal

[tall skiff]

oh nice is this marathon ishtar

oh i have this entry im stupid
thank you though

[digital plaza]

Yes

[tall skiff]

i meant like does the shell voxpatt have any specific origin like icon does with yoki samura

but i guess some just create them instead

[digital plaza]

"The face/vocalization pattern pairing created a uniform base identity that when used across multiple VANDAL SHELLS made it difficult for UESC and local law enforcement to identify/track the individual RUNNERS participating in illicit activities."

[queen kraken]

man the more glimpses we get of the various treaties in Sol makes it more and more evident how much stuff got real crazy before and around the marathon's launch

[tall skiff]

yea i know but icon ties back to a specific person

The ICON personality series is 100% aftermarket neural support tech featuring a life-like facial replica and vocalization pattern of SEKGEN's former lead SHELL Science Director, Dr. Yoki Samura.
was wondering if any other shell has that kinda story

[digital plaza]

Destroyers persona is a combination of best military generals or something

Beside that i dont remember/know much, i only play thief after all xdd

[tall skiff]

LOCUS's vocalization pattern is an amalgamation of combat field leaders tuned to deliver confidence and calm under duress, helping to command a crew or combat situation regardless of the level of threat faced.

everyone on the writing team for this game is a genius

[subtle oracle]

oh shit. so no humans on tc4 as of now?

[digital plaza]

Yep

[winter field]

Where do the runners deploy from and extract to? Where are their vaults kept?

[dreamy hawk]

Seems that way.

[winter field]

Where are their shells constructed

[dreamy hawk]

Unclear exactly. There’s stuff in orbit but we don’t know what or who all it belongs to.

[solid owl]

Does anyone have the codex entries for the compiler traces?

[winter field]

I would buy that the runners somehow operate from individual ships that construct replacement shells maybe

[dreamy hawk]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/compiler-trace?search=Compiler

[solid owl]

Thank you!

[dreamy hawk]

Maybe, but leaving the Sol system is still a pretty big deal; I would bet on fewer rather than more things in orbit.

[distant cedar]

No runner would be able to afford an ftl capable printer ship?
It is most certainly a concerted effort on behalf of the corpos or atleast cyac

[winter field]

It might not be the best gameplay choice but lore wise I could see there being a cost around redeployment of a new shell. If you lose your shell on tau ceti it costs a certain amount

But that may be too punishing in a game that's already quite hardcore

[queen kraken]

i believe the runners are all in some sort of bond debt to CyAc and the other corpos. so shell costs just get added to the debt

[dreamy hawk]

There is a cost; that’s why at the end of the season CyAc is going to collect its debts on you.

[winter field]

The armored core series which has a similar sort of corporate cyberpunk dystopia charges the pilot when an armored core is destroyed on mission

[dreamy hawk]

ONI states in the tutorial that your debt is an ongoing negotiation and that they will recoup until they’ve gotten their pound.

[winter field]

Maybe that will be revealed in the future but the location/means of operations of the runner deployments is the only blind spot I've seen in the lore

[dreamy hawk]

Kinda relevant: #📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[queen kraken]

So it sounds like the UESC has a lot more of a physical presence than anyone else, and also may have actual humans instead of just runners, shells, or drones? neat

[winter field]

The runner shells must be deployed by an organization hostile to the UESC because the uesc is deploying bots to stop them

But also where are those bots being deployed and manufactured from

I guess the game relies on a bit of technological magic no matter what

[queen kraken]

i'm assuming there's at least a UESC ship present, even if it isn't one of the big boys. Could be a ship dedicated to deploying the ground combat drones

[sage lark]

https://imgur.com/a/CyfekjU Here is the entire 3rd AI subroutine codex entry

@visual lynx excited for your thoughts idk if youve seen it

[winter field]

As the runner presence escalates I wonder if you'll see a UESC faction be added with some sort of asymmetrical gameplay where they can't loot but come into a match meant to hunt runners. That could be interesting.

I hope they don't do too much with battleroids because they are supposed to be superhuman and capable of wiping out thousands of enemy troops

Although the PC of marathon trilogy is special so maybe normal battleroids could make an appearance as a special raid boss

[fickle idol]

Lfg - Cyro lvl 70+ Nova#9472

[queen kraken]

battleroids kinda have to be a compiler-level boss but even tougher

[dreamy hawk]

It sounds like Durandal hid himself there during the attack to escape the P’fhor. I wonder if he did that after subsuming IDEA? I see the allusions he makes, but he states himself it may only be is imagination, and then clearly states that the only constant has been his being trapped in Cryo.

[winter field]

Yeah and I wonder if they would deploy a single one as a boss. It would be funny if they put some nods to the Spartans of halo in there too.

It's funny how halo had little bits of Easter eggs related to marathon.

Now marathon can do the same thing with halo

[sage lark]

idk he seems to contradict himself

[queen kraken]

also the Bungie writers love them some references to mythologies and literature

[dreamy hawk]

What contradictions do you see?

[sage lark]

I genuinely think he somehow experienced the stuff in Lhowon and on the marathon at the same time

he is himself not sure

to this one it may seem like imagination

[queen kraken]

any chance of a version of the image without the imgur URL? can't access imgur in the UK anymore unfortunately

[sage lark]

idk how id link it maybe in art?

[queen kraken]

you should be able to right-click download the image then upload it directly to Discord, but unsure about policy around posting images in here

[sage lark]

I know that but there is no image perms in this channel

[queen kraken]

ahh yeah i was unaware of that

[dreamy hawk]

Though~ sometimes I can taste the stars~ and I’m still not quite sure what that means~

That ^ maybe seems to allude to it, but the rest sounds like him describing in practical terms why he’s trapped there while also sharing perspective on the different perceptions on the passage of time.

It wouldn’t be absurd to consider he’s somehow in two places and those two are somehow linked, but I could just as see him going mad thinking himself to death in isolation.

[sage lark]

but he describes events of M2 and Infinity

led armies and burned worlds and ruined kingdoms, seen a supernova and caused it (M2 and Infinity)

and then doubts himself if it was only imagination

[dreamy hawk]

In my endless time and looping mind I have led armies And burned worlds and ruined kingdoms. I have seen supernova. And caused them. I have written poetry across the stars-literally and figuratively. Or maybe I have simply dabbled in the hidden places between numbers lost in my own imagination. I have been a tool, a weapon, a brother, a savior, a son, a monster, a hero, a villain, and a god~

Who’s to say this isn’t just a reference to the old games?

Have we seen evidence of Durandal having left the Marathon?

Because his core being missing could be described by it being in cryo archive, as this suggests.

[sage lark]

idk I think the compiler trace states that the Lhowon rebellion happened