📚marathon-lore-discussion

[dreamy hawk]

Or no, who was it...

[lunar cove]

Hard to write around for something like a live service online game though since we need the story progress and politicking to be faster

[dreamy hawk]

Big ships encassed in ice to shield from radiation.

[lunar cove]

Alastair Reynolds?

[dreamy hawk]

Yes, thank you.

I got the "A," at least.

[lunar cove]

Close enough

[echo sundial]

I have a really really big beef with the genre rn as a man with a formal education in physics because everyone who isn't a physicist just assumes that FTL will be a thing some day

[eternal shell]

orion's arm does this, kind of. they use wormholes to have decent travel times but for stuff that isn't connected to wormholes, someone has to go there manually

[lunar cove]

Life pro tip for sci-fi authors. Never give numbers because if you give numbers, somebody who knows more math than you will find a mistake

[craggy finch]

for what it's worth a lot of Phfor tech is taken from the Jjaro so their "space folding" is probably reverse engineered space wizard stuff

[echo sundial]

Lol

[eternal shell]

"there's horrible bullshit going on in the neighbouring star system, assemble the fleet"
[150 years later]
"so yeah we're trying to figure out why everyone are dead here"

[echo sundial]

It's also just a cool explanation for why there are no uesc human soldiers

It's all printed on site at tau ceti

Because getting there is too expensive

[eternal shell]

agreed but i was referring to the setting orion's arm

[echo sundial]

I have absolutely zero idea how Traxus will make any money back though lmao

[eternal shell]

i dont get how any of the companies will

[dreamy hawk]

Some of the wild tech they invented on Tau Ceti I'm sure is worth something.

[craggy finch]

I assume they have an awareness of the more mind bending stuff

[echo sundial]

Tfw when there's a trillion billion dollars in a box but it's 12 light years away

[dreamy hawk]

A lot of it seems to require the anomaly to function, but that's still some valuable tech, surely.

[keen plank]

They have salvage rights and we give them credits, information, and certain items.

[echo sundial]

Gaius certainly does

[eternal shell]

nucaloric pls you can just make more drinkable cheeseburgers

[echo sundial]

More generally Traxus has absolutely zero way to salvage any of that shit in less than like 500 years

[craggy finch]

To the end of the Anomaly, which is either Jjaro or W’wrkncactner

[echo sundial]

Maybe we'll get some crazy FTL tech reveal

[keen plank]

The thing is that NuCaloric and Traxus both have legal rights and are trying to recoup their costs. However the UESC is blocking/slowing them down and that’s not getting into the distance.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RPqTVlPJ5NE

[dreamy hawk]

UESC figures out FTL through the anomaly, corps of course get their hands on it, everyone is suddenly in TC murdering one another.

[lunar cove]

"Hey boss, the board wants to know why we spent 400 trillion dollars over a few billion in salvage and IP rights?"

"The UESC's being annoying so we have to stand on principle and fuck with them for no reason"

[echo sundial]

Future DLC is probably gonna be something like

[craggy finch]

The Traxus contracts also reveal that Orion is restricted to dealing with Runners and forbidden from any action towards the corps

[echo sundial]

Whoa giant uesc warship in orbit

Check out this insanely hard map

[digital plaza]

There are human soldiers, UESC sent a huge ship 100 years prior to investigate what the hell happened

[eternal shell]

and the anomaly goes "yay the food is jumping into my mouth"

[dreamy hawk]

I think its also specifically mentioned that, the adamance of the UESC in denying these contractual/legal rights, is in large part what drives the corporate interest. Money is one thing, but money and some big secret?

[craggy finch]

Orion mentions personnel dying, we just don’t see any of them yet

[dreamy hawk]

I kinda hope not. The distance of Tau Ceti adds to the horror elements, imo.

[echo sundial]

Mainly because the colonists are super dead because of some insane alien shit

[echo sundial]

I agree for what it's worth

[keen plank]

Orion is also ultimately closer towards middle management.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ban1nNSnaAw

[echo sundial]

They could still do the giant uesc warship thing though if they wanna

Just say it departed shortly after the marathon

[dreamy hawk]

There's also plenty of suggestions that the UESC is keeping something in. They want to cover that up, but there's more than just whatever happened with the P'fhor and the Marathon.

[lunar cove]

I kind of love the fully acknowledged and accepted extralegal stuff the corpos are all doing to sabotage the UESC, and the UESC knows and tolerates it as a budget line item

[keen plank]

Well the corporations also want us to obfuscate or hide any potential liability.

[craggy finch]

I wonder what his deal is, a shell or more traditional cyborg?

[dreamy hawk]

Of course. No one is doing anything legal -- no one wants to be held accountable.

[dreamy hawk]

I believe he's a runner/shell.

[craggy finch]

The Admiral strictly orders Orion against anything towards Traxus, so it’s likely even deeper

[echo sundial]

I think the UESC is basically dying at home because of the marathon incident too

[lunar cove]

Everybody knows the runner stealing a cache of ancient burgers or whatever is working for NuCal but they look the other way as long as there's no hard feelings when a bot blows you up

[craggy finch]

There’s a lot of focus on riots in the opening cutscene

[dreamy hawk]

But I don't know that which is a fun point. Given how adamant the documents in the ARG were against sending Battleroids/Cyborgs because of the PR implications, I doubt their face on the ground would be one, though.

[visual gate]

aren't cyborgs like super illegal in universe?

[echo sundial]

I'm like 90% that MIDA basically owns mars at this point

[dreamy hawk]

MIDA is planning on leaking what happened in Tau Ceti; that's not going to help.

[craggy finch]

Battleroids are a specific type of zombie soldier though

Regular cybernetics may be legal

[visual gate]

OH right those are actual zombies my bad

[craggy finch]

Just a guy with an unhealthy attachment to a voice modulator helmet

[dreamy hawk]

"Super illegal" but very much still in existence, retained, and probably secretly produced.

[echo sundial]

From the NuCal rank 20 quests I'm not even joking the contagion is a mix between the annihilation zone and the last of us

[dreamy hawk]

Think WMDs+++++

[echo sundial]

Speaking of annihilation Dr. Song got done like that one soldier in the movie

[visual gate]

mm fungus

[digital plaza]

Orion is a runner, he even tells you that directly in one of the audio messages

[echo sundial]

I'm guessing our shell bodies are immune to the fungus

Otherwise we'd be hella dead

[digital plaza]

When he dies in one of the audio logs, gantry tells you that he's gonna be super pissed off when they will reprint him

[craggy finch]

Or they die quickly enough that it doesn’t matter

[echo sundial]

True

I'm also assuming that the strange esoteric alien faction is responsible for weaponizing the fungus

That's my running theory

[sage lark]

its the anomaly

or I guess whatevers in the planet

[craggy finch]

Arachne atm seems more obsessed with Runner tech than anything

[sage lark]

responded with the anomaly and contagion

[lunar cove]

Yeah it seems like the anomaly is causing the fungus

[echo sundial]

I kinda love the whole the planet is alive and self aware line of thought though

[lunar cove]

Or altering an existing fungus

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

I like this theory.

[craggy finch]

It all goes back to John Pathways

[echo sundial]

Arachne don't give AF about anything except killing and that's just awesome man

What a slam dunk for a cool faction

[sage lark]

might get more contracts when Cryo unlocks

[craggy finch]

Ah did you mean Sekiguchi originally?

[lunar cove]

It might have just been personalization for artistic reasons but didn't one of the logs talk about the contagion/anomaly as if it had deliberately waited until the colony put down roots to strike

[sage lark]

yes Dr. Songs last log

[echo sundial]

Sekiguchi wants me to do terrible things to myself for mommy

[lunar cove]

Almost more of an active defense mechanism than a random crop failure

[craggy finch]

She’s already a worm that’s like one step ahead of loving her unconditionally

[sage lark]

but she remarked that something had to help the fungus/contagion

[lunar cove]

Although I suppose the evil physics-breaking fissure sort of implies that there's more to it

[echo sundial]

Yes I'm fairly certain the fungus itself is not sentient but it was engineered by something that was imo

I think song is speaking poetically here

[craggy finch]

It definitely replaces the Phfor bombing mentioned in M2, the trailer dates the Anomaly events at the 2800s as well

While it originally was destroyed three months after M1

Or Durandal and Tycho lied

[echo sundial]

Can I be absolutely honest

[sage lark]

well Gaius remarks the contagion sample has like 86% similarity with the anomaly

[echo sundial]

I am genuinely furious that the anomaly event only gives you 2000 credits

What!

[sage lark]

oop did I spoil?

its the last NuCal mission

[echo sundial]

No I knew that, they're definitely related but idk if that's enough to say it's literally the anomaly itself

[sage lark]

not itself but very deeply connected

if the theory is the anomaly is a Wrk

[echo sundial]

Yes I agree

[dire marten]

Is there anywhere that has the ingame codex's to read yet? I'm starting to get tired grinding out these items and quests

[echo sundial]

In that the anamoly is either controlled by or is an alien superintelligence

[zinc bolt]

i didnt realize that you are pinged on the map the whole time you are carrying it

NOT worth it

[sage lark]

i mean its a nice bonus and I think everyone? gets the 2k

[echo sundial]

You have to walk across the entire map shitting out black holes, with your location actively revealed to the entire lobby, for 3 patch kits and 3 shield charges worth of credits.

Genuinely what the hell

[dreamy hawk]

And a codex entry!!

[zinc bolt]

i died doing it solo yesterday, only today i learned that youre on the map the whole time

[craggy finch]

The W’rkncactner in Pathways into Darkness created an entire labyrinth and hordes of monsters while still sleeping

Could be a similar response

[sage lark]

True!

[echo sundial]

Can you spell that word phonetically

[dreamy hawk]

No.

[lunar cove]

Workin-cack-inter

[craggy finch]

Lore wise it’s a name no human can actually pronounce

[dreamy hawk]

I believe it was supposed to be unpronounceable, no?

[echo sundial]

They got something pretty close to that

[lunar cove]

I can comprehend the horrors just fine tbh, things are tough out there

[craggy finch]

A space wizard who talked to Bill Clinton knows more about it

[lunar cove]

W'rkncacnter when it has to deal with the job market

[craggy finch]

Ask him

[lunar cove]

It could have been Ross Perot

[echo sundial]

He'd be replaced by chatgpt

[craggy finch]

Alt history of cosmic gods and aliens created by a timeline where Americans did not have Gaming in the Clinton Years

[lunar cove]

"Hello Mr/Ms/?? Cacnter. While you are an exceptionally qualified applicant, we have chosen not to move forward with your application at this time. You performed admirably in all 7 rounds of interviews, and should the position open up again, we encourage you to reapply."

[echo sundial]

Joy seems to be the one AI of the bunch who went insane in a pretty tolerable and sad way

The last surveillance communications you get is enough to make u cry bro

Just repeating voice logs from all of the children under her care for years and years in isolation

Wow that sucks

[lunar cove]

Is named "joyful"

depressed

[dreamy hawk]

Well I'm preemptively devestated and inoculated, now.

[echo sundial]

They can't even drink man

In another world I'd give her a whiskey coke

[lunar cove]

Tbh the UESC is treating their AIs the way fallout treats vault dwellers, what do you mean you took a hyperintelligent being, blinded it, and made it open doors for 300 years

[echo sundial]

The only AI to develop a genuine connection with humans and it gets to listen to them all die horribly

Like damn lmao

[craggy finch]

Strauss was planning on entire planet networks of rampant AI it seems

[echo sundial]

Dude reading the rampancy logs is so crazy

[dreamy hawk]

Strauss did that to Durandal on purpose, at least.

[echo sundial]

Like a normal AI is basically just lobotomized

[dreamy hawk]

That's also true.

[echo sundial]

And then solely they gain awareness and go insane

Or not even insane really

[lunar cove]

Tau Ceti kind of makes sense as a place to test rampancy stuff. Fewer things for them to destroy if it goes wrong

[echo sundial]

A lot of their actions are pretty rational in context

[dreamy hawk]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/colony-security-reports

[echo sundial]

Anomaly fuckery aside because that probably complicates things with how rampancy works

[dreamy hawk]

They way Darius is described to have cognitive decline and its manifestations, too, don't seem to follow traditional rampancy.

[craggy finch]

Durandal spends a lot of M1 in the Anger stage and plays into the whole idea of him being insane in a self-aware way before eventually settling into sarcasm

[arctic harness]

yo anyone else has a theory that the compilers in cryo chamber might be made outta human instead of s'pht?

[craggy finch]

there's a log that states the three Rampancy stages are considered outdated terms by the late 2800s

[hybrid cedar]

guys I'm new to the ARG what am I supposed to upload when I click on the "UPLOAD DAC" button for every section?

[dreamy hawk]

Fair, but I like the idea that the anomaly added some flavor to it. Accelerated it/evolved it into something unique.

[craggy finch]

considering a log has a scientist experience an existential crisis over how sophisticated the design of the S'pht are, that begs the question of who is around to make them

maybe Durandal

[lunar cove]

Pfhor when pfive walks in

[dreamy hawk]

The S'Pht are fundamentally, as a species, cyborgs. That is how the Jjaro made them and their AI even comments on how it had never considered biological sentience was possible.

[digital plaza]

#leaderboard click DAC at the bottom to get yours

[craggy finch]

Phseven ate Phsnine

[sage lark]

Pfhteven

[dreamy hawk]

P'ate?

[craggy finch]

They call themselves the Pfhor while having three eyes

curious

[sage lark]

4+3 = 7

[dreamy hawk]

P'fate.

[sage lark]

genius

bungie did it again

[craggy finch]

Bungo bravo

[echo sundial]

Claude vs durandal who winning place bets

[lunar cove]

Yeah the s'pht are like if you used machinery to uplift a dog or an octopus, or put an Xcom Floater in a cape. the sentient part is the computer and the flesh is basically just wet machinery to move them around

[lunar cove]

Claude isn't even named after a sword or an ancient king or anything

[craggy finch]

Durandal complains that Charlemagne would call it Durandana

[echo sundial]

He gotta lot of ram tho

[dreamy hawk]

Durandan, Durandal, Durandana.

Charlemagne used to always call me Durandana, the fruitcake. All the many implements of war to him were in some way feminine. Not that you know the story.

Tycho never got it right either, especially the part about Roland breaking me. He couldn't.

No one can.

[...]

[arctic harness]

i mean the body bags looking like compiler but tagged as human, the theme of metamorphosis, anomaly in marathon, i honestly think there is a great chance that people on board marathon are being made into compilers, hell maybe even willingly

[eternal shell]

that'd be wild

[dreamy hawk]

I'm open to being surpirsed, but I think my money is on fungal-zombie colonists right now.

[craggy finch]

they most likely aren't the original compilers, since they were all freed and went off with Durandal at the end of M1

[echo sundial]

Cryo archive is fr gonna change everything about the lore and the game

[lunar cove]

Maybe they're actually doing okay on the Marathon and things are going well

[dreamy hawk]

It is unclear how much of M1 actually has happened, though.

[arctic harness]

yeah that too

[sage lark]

idk how that would work

[wooden wyvern]

hey do we know if Orion is a human or an AI in a shell? i'm not too deep into the codex oof

[craggy finch]

It seems they successfully fought off the Phfor like in M1, there's the autopsy reports of Pfhor and S'pht bodies

[sage lark]

Spht are Spht

humans are humans

[dreamy hawk]

Orion is a runner.

[sage lark]

idk where they could do that on the Marathon

[eternal shell]

"no, we're fine here. why do you ask? anything happen over in the colony? oh shit, i left the phone off the hook."

[wooden wyvern]

fr?

[craggy finch]

S'pht used to be those humanoid creatures from M2

[sage lark]

yes

[sage lark]

no

the Flikta are genetic ancestors

not that they were transformed

[wooden wyvern]

like a human turned disembodied consciousness in a sekgen shell?

damn

[sage lark]

the most original way the Spht look are the Sphtkr

[dreamy hawk]

Yea; some parts for sure happened. Just how much is the question.

[sage lark]

the exiled or forgotten 11th clan

[wooden wyvern]

i KNEW he sounded like a human with robotic vocal coords

[craggy finch]

don't they just have fancy new hover chairs?

[sage lark]

i think they are like biomechanic little space ships or some shit

but the chicken nuggets are the Spht

[dreamy hawk]

More or less. They're essentially floating brains.

[eternal shell]

fun fact, before the pfhor attacked lhowon long ago, the s'pht thought that in order for something to be sapient, it HAD to be a cyborg

[craggy finch]

I recall there's terminal art of the Pfhor conquest and the S'pht are just floating brain things

[craggy finch]

yeah there's that autopsy terminal

[echo sundial]

I do fw the antiestablishmentarianism of MIDA but I fear the lack of a formulated system of governance in the immediate aftermath of a revolution. 🤔

[craggy finch]

and they're shocked the "filthy bipeds" weren't altered at all

[craggy finch]

just break more windows, wagie

[dreamy hawk]

Specifically the Jjaro AI gifted to the S'pht.

[craggy finch]

Runners are functionally debt wagies

[median hemlock]

come join MIDA we got

• one canonical victory that we fumbled in three months
• angry tantrum objectives
• cardio kicks

[echo sundial]

Under MIDA there will be NO BEDTIMES

[dreamy hawk]

So the Jjaro themselves may of somehow been sentient machines? puts on foil

[wooden wyvern]

dont they also have deeper motivations

too*

[viral swan]

we are pee, are you poo? prove it

[craggy finch]

from what I understand gantry's faction are a splinter group of the original MIDA that the original Marathon discussed

[echo sundial]

Well I mean I think their whole gist is that everyone sucks real bad and the world could be less shitty

Which is kind of boring to me idk

[wooden wyvern]

the line in truthworm.0152 "You thought you could steal heaven for yourself" is sus af

[echo sundial]

I think Bungie should just make them unabashedly socialists or something rather than a vague anarchist group

But I digress

[craggy finch]

their contracts are just about unionising game development companies for some odd reason

[wooden wyvern]

it's giving colonial folklore pamphlet vibes

[echo sundial]

It is the self insert faction to be clear but it's also kind of bitch made imo so like

Lmao

[eternal shell]

idea, hire the disco elysium folks to write them

[dreamy hawk]

"While modern MIDA is a newer generation of revolutionaries, their agenda ties to grievances that predate the launch of the UESC MARATHON. They are reigniting old fires to burn away a stagnant, corrupt world in order to build a new one on the other side of revolution." https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/establish-link-mida

[craggy finch]

not even that, they just get you to upload some viruses to some shit and blow other shit up

[echo sundial]

I agree

[eternal shell]

you've smashed 10 windows, communism is 0,0001% rebuilt

[echo sundial]

My people will never be free

[craggy finch]

NuCaloric and SekGen seem to represent a more abstract world view while Traxus is the hardline cold blooded corporate shark side of things

[wooden wyvern]

kinda got the same vibe yea

[echo sundial]

Traxus is comedically evil

[craggy finch]

I like when the Traxus mentions you had a 0.00001% effect on UESC

[echo sundial]

I like that

I love a good comedically evil megacorp

[wooden wyvern]

i mean nucal's interest in retrieving data feels less personal compared to traxus' approach and demeanor

[craggy finch]

just straight up calls you an independent contractor and explains how you're entitled to absolutely jack shit

[eternal shell]

traxus doesnt sugarcoat it, which i appreciate

[echo sundial]

Traxus all about that money man ain't nothing but the bag for them

[sage lark]

strong weyland yutani vibes

[echo sundial]

Exactly lmao

[lunar cove]

Traxus is evil in the faceless megacorp way but it's kind of nice that they have no specific malice, just profit incentives

[wooden wyvern]

"give me my shit back" - vulcan

[dreamy hawk]

Kind of

[eternal shell]

"we opted to not sell you to satan for a single corn chip, but we do expect you to exfiltrate with two corn chips."

[craggy finch]

Gaius talks to me like I'm his pal and his weird SMT YHWH face is oddly charming

[echo sundial]

No they hate you super duper style. Traxus would throw your ass in the torture dimension for a million years for $3.50.

[wooden wyvern]

got me staring into his eyes for hours

[echo sundial]

And that's awesome man you go Traxus

[eternal shell]

and that's when i realized it's not a future solar system spanning megacorp, it's the god damn loch ness monster

[craggy finch]

and they would tell you that to your face

[lunar cove]

Like you just know NuCal is doing some heinous stuff behind the scenes and pretending to be nice to you, but Traxus is like "thank you for increasing Shareholder value by 37 cents this quarter. You have no rights and can be killed at any time. We are promoting you to Contractor 2, which comes with no pay raise."

[echo sundial]

Lmao exactly

[craggy finch]

NuCal sounds more like it's extremely detached despite possessing some sort of genuine altruism

their vision of utopia is feeding people slop

[sage lark]

idk if you guyws want a little spoiler for the end of the Traxus contracts, its not really a spoiler just a funny line

[wooden wyvern]

theyre probably colorblind to the heinous stuff and just never mention it

[echo sundial]

NuCal is just Monsanto analog

[lunar cove]

Arachne is refreshingly honest they just want you to kill

[wooden wyvern]

which makes it more evil somehow

them being so disconnected

[echo sundial]

Arachne is the most moral faction I agree

[craggy finch]

You WILL live in the pod, you WILL drink the drinkable cheeseburger

[eternal shell]

no no arachne is the least moral faction and they've never pretended to be anything else

[craggy finch]

I mean it's hard to be immoral when the people who die can literally come back

[echo sundial]

I'm a NuCal truther man give me the slop Traxus ain't giving me nothin!

[eternal shell]

they wouldnt want it any other way

[lunar cove]

"Do my grafitti contract"

"Yes _Gantry"

"In a single run"

"No _Gantry"

Type shit

[wooden wyvern]

do yall feel like new factions might come in the future?

[echo sundial]

Idk maybe durandal

[eternal shell]

yeah at least one

cant stop at 6

[echo sundial]

Gives us some stuff to do

[wooden wyvern]

orion feels like he might go rogue against uesc

[craggy finch]

"give me six rare items"

"no Vulcan"

"in a single run"

"no Vulcan"

[wooden wyvern]

hes butting heads so much up there

[eternal shell]

i finished that one 30 mins ago, wasn't too bad

[eternal shell]

ehhh stabbing someone still feels mean

[echo sundial]

Have you guys had the sekiguchi quest yet where you've given yourself super cancer on dire marsh and then you have 10 minutes to kill a player

[eternal shell]

but hey i was gonna anyway

[wooden wyvern]

the great filter (im filtered)

[echo sundial]

I think that is genuinely the hardest quest in the game by a mile

[wooden wyvern]

the fiends i have to cut through to go grom bio to quarantine

good god

[lunar cove]

I'm going to be honest I'm on like the 3rd Sekiguchi quest and straight up I can't be bothered I would rather do Mida Dire Marsh bullshit

[wooden wyvern]

THEN EVERYONE EXFILS AFTER I INJECT EBOLA INTO MY VEINS

[echo sundial]

You have to do that with the super cancer and then once you get to quarantine you have 10 minutes to kill someone in the late raid

What an absurd quest

[dim oxide]

That liquid cheeseburger is delicious # ad

[placid ice]

always someone by maintenance/algae

[echo sundial]

Yeah but everyone is dead in the first 10

And the kill doesn't count until after you've crossed the map with the cancer

[wooden wyvern]

explain the claw marks INSIDE the crate dawg

[placid ice]

if you hang around algae for a few minutes even late you usually hear a couple shots somewhere nearby since there’s like 4 pois right next to it

[echo sundial]

Yeah it's definitely not impossible it's just the hardest quest by far I think

[lunar cove]

Nona got me moving like a Dracula Flow lyric, smoking that IBM quantum computer and getting turned into a Resident Evil campaign extra

[fossil zodiac]

Claw marks? From what? o:

[echo sundial]

Look man I've got 700 hours in escape from tarkov I'm used to quests that make me question my commitment to the game

[dim oxide]

NuCaloric cannot be held responsible for damage caused by the independent contractors hired for shipping

[wooden wyvern]

uhm should i spoil the cheeseburger codex logs?

[fossil zodiac]

Damn, I need to play more and unlock more codex stuff. To Tau Ceti I go.

[wooden wyvern]

its the 5th entry too

dude was trippin

[echo sundial]

I'd let joy take care of my kid

Yes I would

[digital plaza]

MIDA and SekGen contracts are the best, better to have a challenge then do SCAN 10 SHROOMS THEN DCON THEN EXFIL DO THAT ANOTHER 7 TIMES YES THANK YOU

[wooden wyvern]

joy knows best

[sage lark]

that timed contested quest for the sample was cancer for NuCal

but did it 3rd try somehow

[wooden wyvern]

Hey so like I wanna engage with more Marathon lore, but I kinda wanna be immersed in the mystery. Is it too much if I watch lore explained videos? I'm enjoying uncovering things slowly via the codex. BUT WHO IS DURANDAL AND WHAT IS A PFTOR????

[sage lark]

stuff from the OG games

[digital plaza]

I was so fucking done when doing final NuCal contracts, worst part of the game in my opinion

[eternal shell]

speks i recommend you play the original marathon trilogy https://alephone.lhowon.org/

[sage lark]

i was banging my head against the wall on some of the TRUTH/LIES quests for MIDA

[lunar cove]

Do you mind spoilers?

[eternal shell]

default controls are weird, make sure to rebind

[keen plank]

Mhmmm.

[sage lark]

in processing on Outpost

all the teams would rush processing

[wooden wyvern]

that's the thing i really do. spadger recommends to just play the old games

so might buy em

[eternal shell]

they're FREE

[wooden wyvern]

REALLY?

[digital plaza]

Yea thats why you gotta wait sometimes

[sage lark]

on steam and mobile

[eternal shell]

only way you're spending money is if you insist on a physical copy

[lunar cove]

In that case I won't explain Durandal if spoilers bother you but yeah, check out the Aleph 1 version of marathon on Steam

[eternal shell]

on mobile? what

[sage lark]

yeah but still burned like 30k on loadouts

[sage lark]

yeah I can download the og trilogy on my iPhone

[digital plaza]

Solo spawns on outpost are ridiculous, so im just sitting out first 3 mins or so

[eternal shell]

oh right the ios port

[digital plaza]

DAMN

[wooden wyvern]

omg theyre free on steeeaaaamm

[sage lark]

trios....

[wooden wyvern]

thenks thenks really appreciate itt

[eternal shell]

like i said, set up you controls so they're sensible first

defaults are super weird iirc

[lunar cove]

Door handle my goat tho

[eternal shell]

it was 1994, everyone was still figuring things out

what i did was i set up things i wanted it in one game, then started the others so they'd have config files generated. then i copy pasted from the one i had set up

[wooden wyvern]

welp since i'll be on holiday for the next week and i'll miss the cryo opening

the old games will do

:>

[median hemlock]

just make sure you tweak your keybinds

and expect to have some frustrating deaths

:p

[dreamy hawk]

"some"

lol

[wooden wyvern]

gotcha gotcha

[twilit grail]

Quick question. Does the codex survive seasonal wipe

[dreamy hawk]

Yes.

[twilit grail]

Thanjs

[dreamy hawk]

Codex and cosmetics.

[twilit grail]

Thanks, arguing with someone on threads

[dreamy hawk]

It's in the weekly update where they announced the wipes. There's a link you could use if you find it.

[median hemlock]

||well if I start telling people about colony ship for sale and all that they won't wanna play ;p||

[twilit grail]

This guy thinks that the season pass is the only think that survives the wipe. Imma go wipe the floor with his ass

[dreamy hawk]

Fair. 😂

[dreamy hawk]

Bring sources and enjoy!

[median hemlock]

I've gotta get back on myself, I'm not too far in

[eternal shell]

when it comes to that map i consider it fine to play up to that part, look up what the rest of the terminals say and then just warp to the next map

[dreamy hawk]

I've been wanting to try replaying on my SteamDeck but at the same time I don't know if I do. >.>

[median hemlock]

I took a break after I nearly saved enough bobs to pass the mission and then rounded a corner too tightly and got pasted by a hulk who sent me flying back twenty meters into a bulkhead

[median hemlock]

LOL hey the controller aiming can't be THAT much worse, right

[dreamy hawk]

🤷

The bar is pretty low.

[lunar cove]

I just tried the ios aiming and now I want them to float me in the Gheritt White room and burn off my limbs

[median hemlock]

I managed to get the mouse controls working well enough

but you can definitely tell it's early mouselook

[lost warren]

Anyone else think the S'pht could be the good guys?

[lunar cove]

Always has been type shit

[dreamy hawk]

Pfhorrest does. Lemme find the link.

[median hemlock]

getting on the marathon and a compiler daps me up

[lost warren]

Well, they'd be killing the runners because they see them as grave robbers (which fair enough)

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[lost warren]

Not a bad theory. I think you can evolve it by saying the S'pht now feel guilty about essentially killing their saviours and are now protecting those still alive in Cryo Archive (including possibly Bernard Strauss)

[subtle oracle]

Hey borg can you link me your recap msg

[keen plank]

They are save for when they’re being controlled remotely by the Pfthor.

They also may have attempted to warn the colonists about the W'rkncacnter in Tau Ceti’s sun.

[marsh lion]

Is there any news on the archive

[subtle oracle]

@visual lynx

[dreamy hawk]

The S'pht only ever were loyal, iirc, because Durandal told them to be. I'm curious if it's that, or they're just being used for something else. They're kind of tragic in that they've never been truly free, themselves.

[lunar cove]

They're going insane in breach protocol

[lost warren]

Think they're asleep

[subtle oracle]

Sleep well my king

ill find it

[dreamy hawk]

Which? I linked one above, but I don't know if that's what you're looking for.

[keen plank]

They also have a mighty grudge against the empire that enslaved them.

[subtle oracle]

He had like a full summarized recap a few days ago

[dreamy hawk]

Ohh. Ah.

[lost warren]

Which is effectively enough for them to team up with humanity (especially the Security Officer)

[keen plank]

I made a rough timeline breakdown as well.

[lunar cove]

They're losing their minds in arg chat

[keen plank]

As is tradition.

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

?

[lost warren]

I do think that come season 2-3, maybe even season 4, we'll see the Pfhor enter and they become the primary enemies instead of the UESC who become another benefactor

[subtle oracle]

thats what i was thinking of i think

[subtle oracle]

ty

[dreamy hawk]

I hadn't seen this, so ty, to you, actually.

[sage lark]

I think so too, we will find it a common goal to deal with the Pfhor

Or something else

🍄 🧟

[eternal shell]

i think it'll go "alright, finally making progress on the runner probl-
"oh. ohhh."
"runners, want some contracts? we offer rocket launchers"

[lost warren]

Nah, it's too early for the W'rkncacnter

I wonder if we see the Security Officer again though?

[subtle oracle]

Getting my buddy who is dbebating getting the game next month a lore recap and the resources to learn more so borgs write ups are helpful

[subtle oracle]

if we do, heres praying hes on our side

[dreamy hawk]

If you put something comprehensive together, please share it!

[subtle oracle]

Uhhh lemme grab the non fluff tbh

[lost warren]

In Infinity he went Rampant. I wonder if he's reached Metastability and will act as a Yin to Durandal's Yang?

[dreamy hawk]

He was rampant long before then.

At least before M1, and possible back even further.

[lost warren]

True, but that's when he realized it

[median hemlock]

Orion is gonna be fucking seething when the admiral tells him to weaponize runners lol

[dreamy hawk]

I would need to go look to be certain, but I think he calls it what it is fairly early on.

[lost warren]

Are you referring to Durandal? Because I'm referring to the Security Officer

[dreamy hawk]

oh

Mea culpa.

[lost warren]

It's alright

[eternal shell]

i suspect it'll be the other way around, at least initially

[keen plank]

We know they’re preparing a counter offensive. Next season they’ll center it around a night version of Dire Marsh.

[eternal shell]

orion when he figures it out

[median hemlock]

yeah I'm thinking longer term

I'd be surprised if we get any large scale alien warfare before at least a couple of seasons pass

[lost warren]

Yeah, my prediction of season 2 for the Pfhor looks kinda naive rn.

[median hemlock]

gotta impress durandal before he starts to throw us at problems

[lunar cove]

They'll be in season Pfour

[zealous laurel]

Eyyyyy

[lost warren]

Actually a valid prediction

[hushed nebula]

@dry crescent please look into the CyAc's contract disabled bug please

[lunar cove]

Is it a bug or is it deliberate

[sage lark]

I meant 🍄 🧟

[hushed nebula]

Surely it's a bug, my faction levels are all 10+

[lost warren]

Ohh, them...

Yeah, I can actually see that

[hushed nebula]

And it happened specifically with the Tool cart mission for everyone reporting this bug

[lunar cove]

Okay yeah it's a bug then I guess

Unfortunate, I figured it was a story thing that'd be re-opened later

[lost warren]

I wonder if Durandal will see us as his followers? What's a god without his worshippers?

[dreamy hawk]

I'd follow him to the ends of the universe.

[lost warren]

Until Tycho tells you to drink vacuum

[dreamy hawk]

Durandal would keep me safe ensure my death was meaningful to him.

[lost warren]

Right, we have to remember that we're nothing compared to his Pookie (Security Officer)

[lunar cove]

Durandal would put me in a human wave attack against a Pfhor battlegroup

[dreamy hawk]

And you'd go proudly!

[lunar cove]

Better than sitting in cryo on a pfhor slave ship

[dreamy hawk]

Or becoming a simulacrum.

[lunar cove]

Tie me to a warp-capable fusion missile and launch me at Tfear. I'm ready to go

[pliant elm]

prrrok

[lost warren]

Durandal teleporting the Security Officer the moment he get in trouble like Megumi summoning Big Raga

[subtle oracle]

who would you say are the key ppl in this channel other than borg

[dense plume]

We, the players, are Runners that utilize shells to complete contracts for various factions. The only human component is our consciousness. But who's conscious exactly? Was death the first step for the unfortunate human beings who didn't make it that were in cryogenic statis on the UESC Marathon ship? The colonists on Tau Ceti IV? Is it life after death for all human beings and that religious beliefs common on planet Earth are false?

[olive cypress]

Mida is totally a false flag created by the uesc to push for even stronger hegemony

[half jetty]

I just hope I get to Talk To Gabriel at some point, sounds like a nice guy!

[pliant elm]

Who cares about that when there's an alien invasion.

[lost warren]

Hopefully Leela's still alive. I know it's a pipe dream, but still; she and Gabriel were probably the nicest AIs there (Joy too I guess, but I kinda simp for her yandere persona)

[half jetty]

AFAIK even 'our' consciousness when inhabiting a shell is actually an amalgam of our own agency + the personality imprint of another legendary runner (at least going off Void's first codex entry), so even our sense of self in a run is questionably human at best

[dreamy hawk]

Mmmm. I remember faces, not names, so without people here I'm kinda useless, but Simon MIDA, Da Spadger, 😊, nkonrad, and yourself are folks that come to mind. There's more folks, but again, bad with names.

[olive cypress]

You are the human component

Like in real life

[prime rose]

we know that's not the case because the UESC thinks MIDA is the primary reason they lost contact with the colony and at least one UESC faction involved with the relief mission wants to go in guns blazing w a military force to put down rebellion

[lost warren]

Didn't they get Leela's message?

[dreamy hawk]

UESC wishes MIDA were a false flag.

[prime rose]

however the UESC did allow MIDA moderates to get into govt on mars after the failed revolution to suck the wind out of their sails and isolate the hardliners and radicals

[olive cypress]

Guns blazing and scorched earth to cover it up

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message Seeminlgy not.

[subtle oracle]

this helps ty

[prime rose]

Project Goliath launched the Equanimity on a relief mission before the distress signal, in response to prolongued loss of contact with the colony

[dim surge]

I was hoping the Pfhor would be a big secret reveal when the Marathon drops (because otherwise why would a Sph't be on the ship?), but yep to your point it's starting to feel naive that they'd drop a whole enemy faction within weeks of the game's launch

[half jetty]

Would this be Orion? I've only been absorbing the plot through my own interaction with the game so I'm not totally cought up on this like you might be

[prime rose]

They assumed there was a MIDA coup, because they had lost contact for so long that any reasonable accident or disaster damaging their comms would have been repaired

[dreamy hawk]

You're welcome, but now I'm concerned at how much time I'm spending here since you're asking me things like that.

[half jetty]

Cpt. Orion, that is*

[lost warren]

I wonder if we'll get them at the Game Awards?

[prime rose]

I don't think Orion was on Equanimity but I'm not 100% sure on that point. I think Orion arrived later with the later UESC forces following establishment of FTL connection to TCIV

[lunar cove]

I'm the guy who has watched all 3 Mandalore videos plus PiD lecturing people who only watched one of them lol, I just procrastinate at work here a lot

[dim surge]

I truly hope we get them at any point in the future. Would loooooooove to see a 2026 version of them.

[hardy forge]

So correct me if im wrong, the Compilers on the ship are hostile toward us because they were the original enslaved ones when the Pfhor brought them to Tau Ceti, ie they didnt get the update that the Spht are chill with humans now?

[dreamy hawk]

Procrastination is a hell of a thing.

[half jetty]

I was just operating off the idea that _gantry seems to have some very close history with this Cpt. Orion, but of course that could mean anything for their relationship

[lunar cove]

I don't think we know exactly who or why they are

[subtle oracle]

Nah it just a lot of white names ik havent been here long

[lost warren]

You called?

[olive cypress]

Durandal inhabiting a compiler body

[pliant elm]

There's no evidence that the Compiler is ally or enemy at this stage and with this unknown of the facts of this 'timeline'. Compilers could be anything at this stage, even a remnant of Durandal left by the S'pht - which would kinda of make sense since Durandal is leaving you messages as a the Compiler himself.

[half jetty]

I imagine the last thing Durandal wants is a corporeal form?

[olive cypress]

Sphit aren’t that corporeal

[lost warren]

He could be like Ultron where he's everywhere on the net

[dreamy hawk]

This doesn't seem practical, either, considering the size of networks AI need to support them. A body would be severly limiting. An avatar, however, is another thing.

[half jetty]

Just seems like a downgrade from apotheosis, to settle on 'what if i just inhabited a ton of individual bot bodies'

[dim surge]

They can be shot with bullets until they die. I'd call that very corporeal.

[lunar cove]

Spht look big because of the cape but their actual body inside is much smaller

[dense plume]

Yes. If I'm not mistaken, the shells for each Runner aren't only for aesthetic purposes as we see and utilize it in-game. They have been created and have gone through experiences. As you have said, there's an amalgam of our own personality and agency imprinted on a Runner. We're us, but hold another's memories and experiences. At least that's what I'm theorizing. Obviously, we are the human component in-game, but when the lore is only concerned I still wonder who's consciousness is chosen.

[hardy forge]

Yeah I recently learned their human parts are near nothing, they're more like cyber psychos from cyberpunk being all "chrome" lol

[lunar cove]

To compare them to another sci-fi franchise with engineered slave alien armies, they're like Xcom 2012's floaters

[dreamy hawk]

The personality matrix is in the shells we use, but it's mentioned/implied heavily that you don't need them, there's just unsubstantiated beleif amongst runners that they help + ground them. I read this to imply that there are runners who opt to use shells without a matrix.

[half jetty]

Yeah it's still a bit vauge from what I have read personally. One thing I find really interesting is that the personality is not inherent to the shell itself, it's just that the personalities we have in the game are commonly selected personalities. Void is referred to as a preferred pick for ASSASSIN runners, implying other choices as well (or maybe even choosing to not imprint a personality at all?)

[lunar cove]

The floaters are chopped up Muton heads and upper torsos

[half jetty]

ahhhhh interesting so there is a bit of an implication towards that, i was wondering just the thing

[dreamy hawk]

I can find the codex text; one second.

[pliant elm]

To be honest I don't think this is Durandal at all. There would be no sense Durandal cared about anything at this stage. He shouldn't even exist anymore.

[lunar cove]

The s'pht you encounter are like Robocop, the less altered s'pht look really different

The s'phtkr or whatever the tribe was called

[half jetty]

Potentially a fork of Durandal? wouldn't be the first time Bungie has brushed shoulders with fragmenting AI in classical Scifi style

Or someone/something using Durandal's image to evoke a certain response

[hardy forge]

Wait this is a really good point, like why would he be around and just chilling on the Marathon to mess around with the runners

[dreamy hawk]

BENEFITS OF A PERSONALITY MATRIX: A SHELL's personality matrix runs as an operational layer of "programmed humanity" functioning in tandem with the living mind inside a SHELL's neural housing, supporting the RUNNER's mental stability. Though the science remains unproven, it is understood among RUNNERS that a personality matrix helps combat mental fatigue and memory loss[1] in those pushing SHELL usage beyond its designed limits.

[fossil zodiac]

People inside bags? o: Just watched A New Future Beyond the Sun.

[lunar cove]

Oh shit so we're playing as Johnny Silverhand during the Hangover mission

[olive cypress]

Did durandal merge with Thoth and tycho in the true ending of infinity?

[pliant elm]

Yea

[dreamy hawk]

I'm looking for the rest, but it's also mentioned later that UESC runners have command/follow code or however it's describe in their shells, so it's not impossible for runners to not have full free-will.

[half jetty]

Interesting, I wonder if the idea is that by sublimating your sense of self into the combat data and personality of someone attuned to that shell already helps kind of pillow the shock of your mind rejecting the body + of course increase your familiarity and combat aptitude in that body

[olive cypress]

Have you guys heard about different shells seeing different colors on some objects? I’m really curious how much of the reality you see can be controlled by someone else

[half jetty]

pretty common in Scifi with conciousness transferring for the possible psychological shock to be crippling, to say the least. would make sense for runners to fear that and keep the guard rails up

[dreamy hawk]

That's how I understand them. The matrix makes that body feel more "comfortable." I haven't heard them, but there's audio of Rook commenting on how its body doesn't feel right.

[lunar cove]

I saw the tweet, haven't tested it myself

[dreamy hawk]

In Destiny, Exo's have to mimmick lots of biological functions just to keep the mind whole. It's not an unfamiliar concept in Bungie lore re: digitized minds.

[median hemlock]

there's also the trailer where they give multiple runners the same picture of a child and say "that's you" so clearly it's a little more complicated than straight up brain uploads, on top of the matrix stuff

[pliant elm]

Tycho no clue, not revealed - and to be honest I also do not think that Strauss is dead either.

[half jetty]

I gotta get more rook logs, i dont play him enough. I'm very interested in what that shell implies contextually, I mean the game's UI itself distinguishes him from a 'Runner' shell. So are you not actually a Runner in there? some sort of malfunctioning UESC bot? I haven't read any of it, perhaps this is covered already

[lunar cove]

Altered colour perception could make sense, although we see a lot of "natural" colours in things like plants

[dreamy hawk]

You're a runner, just in a hijacked UESC automaton.

[half jetty]

Of course the lobby UI saying you cant finsih contracts as him as he's not a 'runner' shell may not imply anything lore wise, just crossed my mind

[fossil zodiac]

I love the psychological aspect of Marathon. Though this all isn't something new in scifi, I like how it's done here.

[median hemlock]

Rooks are shells constructed from stolen uesc tech afaik

[lunar cove]

You can find dead "rook" bodies in UESC livery in a few places

[half jetty]

Ah ok, so you're a runner but not in a shell fit-for-purpose

[pliant elm]

I'd like to believe that the final boss of Cryo Archvies is Strauss comanding the Mjolnir's.

[dreamy hawk]

That's why you have limited functionality; you're note supposed to be using that as a shell; it wasn't designed to contain a human mind. Yeah.

[half jetty]

God that's probably a really awful experience then

[lunar cove]

So I think the idea is, Rooks are a variant of UESC drone or possibly a UESC infantry runner shell of some kind

[pliant elm]

And that a remnant of Durandal lives in the compiler that's helping the runners Planetside.

[left ether]

I'm at lvl 30 for cyac. How do I unlock vip lvl 1???

[half jetty]

Gives me a bit of an echo of SOMA, the minds thrust into the most utilitarian, non 'human' of bodies in that world did not acclimate well.

[fossil zodiac]

SOMA mentioned, elite ball knowledge.

[dreamy hawk]

I think it's just the base shell, just a little aesthetically different, proably for gameplay reasons.

[half jetty]

I can't imagine that the Rook body is produced the same way as Runner shells are, totally different type of build quality in a lot of ways

very outwardly mechanical and fabricated, versus the shells being literally woven material

[pliant elm]

The whole Parasitism questline is about just that.

[dreamy hawk]

HISTORY: A ROOK frame is a scavenger's best friend. These base robotic frames are typically utilized by the UESC and various corporations for manual and heavy labor. RUNNERS have taken to augmenting these simple frames to house a limited-use neural sync adapter allowing the RUNNER to inhabit the ROOK for short periods without too much mental degradation. Because they are not SHELLS, each ROOK has only a small set of kit-bashed ABILITIES and fully lack the functionality to be upgraded via IMPLANTS and CORES. Though some variety of standard system upgrading can be achieved, a ROOK will never match the full complement of ABILITIES, comfort, and general utility inherent in more advanced bio-cybernetic SHELLS.
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/exfil-rook

[lunar cove]

Really funny that Rook in older promotional material was portrayed as like, a cowardly vulture or hyena but in actual games he's moving like a Jurassic Park velociraptor

[olive cypress]

Perhaps a shell and a uesc aren’t that different, shells are just made of more organic materials

[median hemlock]

its pretty clearly got some uesc bot parts yanked off and patched onto it

[jade wagon]

They seem more like hijacked/outdated UESC frames.

[median hemlock]

yeah kit bashed that's the phrasing I was looking for

[olive cypress]

Both effectively just the metal skeletons until you program them or inhabit them with a conciousness

[half jetty]

I wonder if Rook will be able to take advantage of CRADLE when that comes out, the kit bashing reference makes me think he could be even more modular than just capstone upgrades

[dreamy hawk]

HISTORY: Most base frames have emergency repair systems built-in at the factory to provide purchasers with the comfort of continued use/function after workplace mishaps. The typical owners of ROOK-style frames are large corporations buying in bulk for industrial use. Of course, bulk purchases by multi-national businesses also make for convenient points of acquisition [read: theft] for RUNNERS. The fact that ROOKS have become a standard tool for RUNNER operations is a surprise to no one.
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/prime-rook

[median hemlock]

Rook upgrades from capstones already exist so

[lunar cove]

Anyways, call me a fianchetto Bishop the way I'm kamikazeing the first Rook in my sightlines

[dreamy hawk]

HISTORY: ROOK's SIGNAL MASK is relatively new. Pure back-channel RUNNER tech hacked together somewhere in orbit above TAU CETI in response to the UESC's mobile war crimes. No one knows who coded it. The specs just dropped into a local backchannel and spread like wildfire amongst the earliest in-system trespassers.
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/tactical-rook

[pliant elm]

There's a good Codex entry pointing that there's allies onboard the Marathon.

[median hemlock]

"Mobile war crimes" is really good lmao

[velvet temple]

Where are we on the steps

[fossil zodiac]

So all this talk about the shells and conscioussness had me go back to watch one of the trailers. I forgot it showed us the grounding exercise that's preformed. The Runner being talked to is asked if they recognize a picture of a child, and the Runner doesn't remember that it's a picture of themselves.

[dreamy hawk]

Both runners also get shown the same photo.

[strange nova]

Memory degradation go brr

[strange nova]

It could be the same runner changing shells

[fossil zodiac]

So is that just part of the grounding?

[dreamy hawk]

That's not how I remember that trailer going, though. That wasn not the vibe.

[median hemlock]

pretty accurate too, anyone who visits dorms and bumps into the tox warden will agree that the uesc are major war criminals :p

[dreamy hawk]

Or it's the same mind, just cloned into multiple discrete personalities.

[median hemlock]

They're definitely different runners as they end up fighting on a run

[strange nova]

I mean, I fully believe the ai are manipulating the hell out of every runner, making us all believe the same things to help their agenda, but it is possible that's the same runner

[fossil zodiac]

Sounds like it could have some very adverse effects.

[dreamy hawk]

CYAC is stated to own our consciousnesses in part or whole.

[half jetty]

Or it could be multiple runners and we're seeing the psychological disconnection that happens merging Runner>Personality>Shell together. It's not even like Void says 'nah i dont recognize it', he says 'No... is that me?' as if he has no concept of what he was like as a kid period.

(also is that void talking, or the runner?)

[dreamy hawk]

Like memory degredation? 👀

[pliant elm]

The trailer is not so dark, people just want to make it more edgy and complicated than it needs to be. If the shell has no memory module then you wouldn't remember things about the past - doesn't mean you don't have memory, just means you can't access it within the shell.

[median hemlock]

The moral of the story is, being a runner is fine and chill and there are no adverse effects to being a digital consciousness obligated to pay off your entire existence. s'cool

[dreamy hawk]

This is an accurate reading of the story, I agree.

[half jetty]

I think it's pretty clearly an open ended question intentionally thrown to the viewer to chew on.

[median hemlock]

I'd argue the trailer where random people die in horrible agony is pretty grim :p

[fossil zodiac]

And just the loss of self, that creeps me out personally.

[pliant elm]

It's kinda cheesy and teeny, it's just a machine for you to work on.

[lunar cove]

The colonist who was drawn into an energy field and had their head explode probably had a really bad time

[strange nova]

Glitch and Void react differently to the photo, I assume that's the personality matrix making it different, but they think about it the same way (not recognizing)

[median hemlock]

That guy who died to the contagion(?) was having a great time

[dreamy hawk]

I dunno, clutching their head and all? I thought it seemed like they were having fun.

[lunar cove]

Unrelated, reading a codex entry I found, it talks about how the UESC loses contact with or can't extract bots it lands on the Marathon itself. I wonder if they're actively fighting the S'pht, getting hacked, too deep in the moon to get comms, or what

[half jetty]

The lore as written atm and the common thread throughout much transhumanist scifi media makes me think this is not the case. It's certainly not like they're hopping in a human shaped forklift and going on a drive, there are greater implications towards the loss of your humanity when you're a digital consciousness that is regularly swapping between both totally different forms on the regular, as well as totally distinct personalities foreign to your own

[median hemlock]

and, again, worth noting that our consciousnesses are literally data owned by megacorps

[pliant elm]

And how is that deep. It's black or white, you hop in the machine you lose your personality - you don't, you maintain your personality. I fail to see where's the deepness here.

[lunar cove]

And if there's potentially multiple competing npc factions aboard, will they fight each other at all, or even be spawned close enough to ever do so?

[pliant elm]

Well, then I'd reccomend the people in 2800 read books that were written in the 1900.

[half jetty]

I didn't say it's black or white, I'm just saying its a common trail for this genre of science fiction. You blend your mind with another's, you're not just turning that off and going back to normal after. You take something with you, it imprints on you as much as you imprint on it

[half jetty]

this is a videogame and story designed to be consumed by the people of 2026

[lunar cove]

This happened to my buddy Tuvix

[pliant elm]

I mean it's kinda lazy and stupid for this story to be honest. It's exploring a completely bland, overwritten problem that nobody cares with the dimension of the actions at stake.

[median hemlock]

Telling other people to read books when you're oversimplifying a classic sci-fi topic is... something...

[half jetty]

I disagree, I think harkening back to transhumanist scifi classic ideas in a scifi market that in the past decade or so has been pretty scared of these notions at all is pretty refreshing

[dreamy hawk]

HOW DO RUNNERS SURVIVE SHELL EXPIRATION: Most fully operational, market-released SHELLS include complex neural eject and catch protocols supported on the backend by CYAC proprietary tech. These are deeply encrypted data recalls that connect an active SHELL to a RUNNER's support systems located in secure points of operations typically removed[2] from the RUNNER's targeted ZONE of interest.
Essentially, when a RUNNER's SHELL is met with either catastrophic systems failure or sudden data or signal corruption, the RUNNER's mind is ejected into a secure liminal buffer before the SHELL's neural housing is fully compromised. Most secure buffers run on one of CYAC's looping data systems to record and catalog a backup of the RUNNER's consciousness as an added failsafe against total neural erasure. This gives CYAC ownership over, at least, a portion of a RUNNER's consciousness, if not the whole thing.

[pliant elm]

This has been overly written and basically any cyberpunk story is about singularity. You're fighting off an alien invansion, I could literally care less about what the guy who was paid for the job thinks.

You're fighting a galactic empire and the narrative is focused on what the person problems of some random dude is.

[lunar cove]

This is covered in the sci-fi classic "Star Wars: Children of the Jedi"

[half jetty]

IDK I just can't imagine interacting with this franchise and your biggest hook being 'what about the aliums tho' like it's a meditation on transcendentalism and the notion of breaking free from the conditions of reality through digital apotheosis, it's not Battlestar Galactica the war is not the meat of the lore it's the set dressing

[median hemlock]

that's such a gross oversimplification of what is going on that it makes me glad you're not in the writers room :/

[lunar cove]

An ancient computer upload of a Jedi lady takes over the brain of Luke's grad student assistant and they have a lowkey problematic age gap relationship

[pliant elm]

I could literally care less about runners, what pilots think, eat or do.

All I care about is the Marathon, the science project and alien invasions.

[fossil zodiac]

Runners are a big part of the plot though. 🙁

[half jetty]

Which is fine but don't be surprised when the plot pivots in part around the context of who and what the runners really are here

It is the thematic meat in the pie

I'm sure you will learn more dates with tech jargon describing wars we never see in the future lore entries, you'll eat plenty fine, but idk if Bungie is all that interested in telling a straight up war story here

[lunar cove]

all I care about is the Marathon

Pheidippides type shit

[dreamy hawk]

🙈 🙊 🙉

[median hemlock]

alright you're either deliberately baiting or you're just not interested in a meaningful conversation

[dreamy hawk]

Daily occurence, this.

[fossil zodiac]

Sounds more like a personal opinion, but hey, I'll agree to disagree.

[lunar cove]

Pheidippides nuts gottem

[half jetty]

yeah just gonna need to agree to disagree, if someone cares more about the action that's fair enough and im sure we'll get plenty of that too

ok drop it dude, no reason to bait in here

you said your piece, we said ours

[zealous laurel]

"I couldn't care less about our main vehicle into the mysteries of this story and refuse to acknowledge the time, effort, and energy put into them as a result, have you heard of neuromancer, I am very smart"

[lunar cove]

I'll bite. An idea doesn't have to be original to be interesting or executed well

[sudden pollen]

Accurate

[median hemlock]

genuinely don't understand how anyone aware of old marathon lore thinks that digital consciousnesses are just fluff with no bearing on anything

[sudden pollen]

Bro has NOT read neuromancer I'd wager a trillion bucks

[half jetty]

(they are likely not all that invested in classical scifi, or OG marathon)

[balmy wing]

crazy that you'd say that while being interested primarily in the space war, of which there are many more 'sci-fi books that use the same story' as you put it

[fossil zodiac]

At the end of that trailer though, it looked like a big storage area. What exactly would that be?

[left ether]

I'm at lvl 30 for cyac but still don't have vip lvl 1. How do I unlock that?

[median hemlock]

ikr, the Space Empire Conflict is easily the most generic part of the setting

[lunar cove]

Top Gun Maverick isn't even a new movie it's just Top Gun again, but it still goes hard

[zealous laurel]

It's also a bit star wars with that fucking briefing scene

[jade wagon]

That's the point. You're not a protagonist, you're a literal "asset" of different parties vying for power over the Marathon and colony.

[dense plume]

I went AFK for a moment and came back to this. I get that you're into the action-packed parts of the lore, Fox, but there's nothing wrong to be curious about the world of Tau Ceti IV, its inhabitants (past, present, and future), etc. It is all important pieces of Marathon's lore.

[balmy wing]

'oh no the aliens are killing people and we have to load up in big spaceships and win!!!'

never been asked or explored in any sci-fi book, ever

[median hemlock]

you'll have better luck asking outside of the lore channel

[zealous laurel]

Who's gonna tell him that that's it's also supposed to be a commentary on the broader state of humanity as a species and corporate culture more generally

[half jetty]

the whole trilogy is about digital consciousness aspiring for godhood, and now in this part of the timeline we are playing at digital consciousnesses at the very least being fed the idea that they could attain a higher level of being through forced evolution. Runners are very interlinked with the themes of the whole franchise. And it's not about 'am i human? am I a robot?' it's about how far you can transcend reality through sheer willpower and infinite opportunity

[fossil zodiac]

Just a means to an end, same way with how Runners can treat each other.

[balmy wing]

but you see that isn't space war which makes it boring

[half jetty]

Well, aspiring for godhood but really it's more just aspiring for 'freedom' in a twisted way

[zealous laurel]

Ah I see let me shift my perspective drills hole in own head I think there should be more pew pew lasers

[half jetty]

set phasers to fun, folks

[lunar cove]

Star Wars is just Samurai Cowboy Flash Gordon Dambusters tbh, and it rules

[balmy wing]

yeah it's much less interesting (though i really do wanna see NuMarathon Pfhor)

[median hemlock]

the original lore textually establishes that things are Pretty Bad for humanity and the colonies were founded with the express intent of helping Earth (read: funneling resources to earth at the expense of colonists)

This, of course, has nothing to do with anything, and certainly has never happened irl

[balmy wing]

certainly not!

[zealous laurel]

It fucks so hard I love our star-wars-lore channel

[jade wagon]

Yeah exactly! And that's shown to the players in the gameplay loop itself. The "main characters" aren't individual runners, they're the faction reps and (eventually) Durandal. Runners customize their Shells with the mods and equipment for their most efficient style, and just enough accessories to keep their neural pattern grounded (like the "lucky charm")

[zealous laurel]

Never not even once

[median hemlock]

Oh don't get me wrong I am beyond excited for space war shit

But that's just a fun premise for the action that strings together the meat of the story, imo

[half jetty]

Hell, even star wars isn't really all that interested in being a 'war' story, even in a franchise that's pretty surface level science fantasy it's still understanding of the idea that there are themes and concepts surrounding conflict that are far more interesting than conflict itself

[lunar cove]

Sekiguchi contracts got me moving like an O'brien episode of Deep Space Nine: get in the torment nexus, Runner.

Runner, we're sending your 5 year old through a portal to be raised by feral wolves until she forgets your face

[balmy wing]

died 2026/born 2893
welcome back Jaeger

[median hemlock]

Runner, you need a faction who truly care for you and your interests.

In a single run:

• chew 3 panes of glass
• jump off the map and die
• extract

[balmy wing]

i want a map condition that's just giant chunks of spaceship falling onto the colony from a war in orbit, ganymede style

[median hemlock]

gonna be on a distant planet and durandal is gonna brag about how fucking good at space combat he is, and then barely remember to warn us about the debris

[lunar cove]

This happened to my buddy Praxideke

[balmy wing]

precisely

[half jetty]

That makes me think, with the eventual inclusion of non UESC enemy types I can only imagine we're going to see infighting on maps with mixed factions?

[balmy wing]

the lh'owon season is gonna go CRAZY

[half jetty]

'Nobody cares about side story'

is in the channel dedicated to the tons of people who care about the side story

much to think about!

[jade wagon]

not a fan of mysteries huh

[lunar cove]

I mean I understand your point but the Trojan war isn't the greatest example when you consider the Aeneid and the Odyssey and such

[fossil zodiac]

Kinda feels like you just wanna be spoon fed a story rather than unraveling anything.

[median hemlock]

bait

[half jetty]

OK, and then what?

[lunar cove]

The Troyiverse if you will

[balmy wing]

i couldn't disagree more, the fun part is trying to put the pieces together to figure out what happened, i don't really want a firsthand, 100% trustworthy view of it because it's less interesting

[lunar cove]

The fact that launched a thousand spinoffs

[dense plume]

Lmao, right! Like, I mean no disrespect but why is he, someone who dislikes the storytelling and worldbuilding, in a channel dedicated to the lore and worldbuilding?

[zealous laurel]

A master baiter right there, folks

[median hemlock]

the ambiguity and mystery is easily the most old!marathon part of the new game!!

[half jetty]

OK ty for giving some proof you're here to ignite arguments, makes the reports much easier.

[lunar cove]

Isn't there a bestselling Iliad spinoff novel about Achilles' bestie Patroclus

[jade wagon]

Respectfully if you dislike the story that much, you will be a lot happier playing something else

[half jetty]

Twitter addiction rotting their brains, i reported the posts where they admitted to baiting and blocking him, no sense in feeding attention seeking people :P

[balmy wing]

indubitably, i was saying in the weeks before release if i trust any franchise to tell a compelling narrative in an extraction format it's Marathon, it's not like the OG's story is told in a particularly standard manner

[lunar cove]

Gtg got a meeting but let me know if we unlock Cryo or figure out who Bingus is or whatever

[zealous laurel]

Some people have a hole in their heart that can only be filled by stating bad opinions loudly in front of people who don't care

[median hemlock]

Personally I'm just shocked that the guy who thinks "put Strauss and the battleroids that lived on the colony in cryo storage as a boss fight" is a good idea isn't interested in the story or lore

[fossil zodiac]

On the other hand, while I still don't know much of anything personally, I will enjoy digging through the codex and looking at environments to find stuff.

[half jetty]

Maybe the real Bingus was the friends ||Rooks|| we made along the way

[dense plume]

Oh, so they are ragebaiting intentionally? Smh.

[balmy wing]

i do want 1 single battleroid in cryo or elsewhere that just sprints at you through walls because it would go crazy

[median hemlock]

I do really want to see at least one cyborg but I'd be :/ if bungie pulls literally all 9 of the others out

[half jetty]

Yeah straight up said they think this channel is in a bubble and they're only here to tell everyone what they like is garbage, straight up admitting to shitposting/trolling. boot react and move along from that guy, dug his own grave

[balmy wing]

but i can't see strauss being anything but a puddle of blood on the floor

[half jetty]

I dont need any more reason to jump and scream in solos lolol

[balmy wing]

yeah any more than 1 and the fortnite particles start getting to dangerous levels

[median hemlock]

new players who don't know the lore see a guy with a funny helmet and a single pistol and think "oh ok free loot" and all the oldheads piss their pants

[zealous laurel]

I need to see a battleroid hit the griddy it's integral to our franchise's survival

[half jetty]

I imagine that we're probably going to get a shell based on the Cyborgs at some point, right? Such a storied and mythological fighting force has to be paid tribute in runner circles after all

[balmy wing]

he should be the only source for a classic magnum or SPNKR

[median hemlock]

LMFAO

[fossil zodiac]

I choose solo definitely because it feels so eerie and off. Love the vibes and looking for scribbles and drawings left behind.

[median hemlock]

I was really hoping to see an exotic magnum as a drop somewhere

[balmy wing]

destroyer is wearing a variant of mjolnir armor

[median hemlock]

yeah if you see someone who looks kinda like a destroyer in muted grey colours, fucking Run

[balmy wing]

trios feels like apex, solos is basically resident evil

[zealous laurel]

Duos is resident evil 5 co-op campaign

[balmy wing]

this is true

[calm plaza]

Battleroid supremacy

[median hemlock]

the uesc are definitely going to find out about the cyborgs on tau ceti iv and go 👀

[sudden pollen]

Outpost is legit heart poundingly terrifying solo, the siren for the heat cascade gives me a bad feeling in my stomach

[sudden pollen]

REAL

[balmy wing]

outpost solo doing mida quests makes me feel like grace ashcroft and sam fisher at the same time it's insane

it's so fucking scary man

[rotund stump]

bfr most people who put out all these batshit crazy ideas don't have the lore wired into the brain for any of said ideas to make any sense 💀

they don't want narrative they want wojak finger point hype moments

[sudden pollen]

Yeah

It's gamer brain rot

[median hemlock]

I was just being goofy about the idea of seeing a battleroid, I'm not interested in console war style "new players don't get it... Hmph..."

[balmy wing]

i confess i do infact want to soyjak at the screen (ideally in a way that is slavishly lore accurate lmao)

[rotund stump]

😭 😭

[median hemlock]

ikr

"They want their wojak finger point moments" as if this channel isn't gonna cream itself when durandal says some vague hype shit

[balmy wing]

seeing the "THANK GOD IT'S YOU" graffiti had me moving like leo in once upon a time

[rotund stump]

I mean it's exactly that no? 💀

durandal being durandal

[balmy wing]

when are we getting "FROG BLAST THE VENT CORE!" as a vandal voiceline when she hits the disrupt cannon

[rotund stump]

also would love to fight an ogun or harpe as a warden type boss if we raid the equanimity

[zealous laurel]

Durandal always just vagueposting

[sudden pollen]

Durandal be doing a little trolling fr

[rotund stump]

durandal our vaguepost king

[zealous laurel]

Wouldn't have it any other way

[half jetty]

durandal is crashing out on main and the wizards are embarassed.

[median hemlock]

dude signs off with "insanely yours" we're gonna dive into his databanks and find like 6 copies of Joker and Taxi Driver

[zealous laurel]

Stole Walter White's whole shit with that Ozymandius poem, iconic love it

[sudden pollen]

LOL

[rotund stump]

his ass better not get caught with any yaoi istg

[half jetty]

durandal supports exclusively crackships of any gender

[fossil zodiac]

There's probably at least one copy of American Psycho in there.

[zealous laurel]

Is there a basis for Durandal/Tycho toxic yaoi in-text, yes or no

[sudden pollen]

Reminder for everyone's daily rewatch of the cinematic in fullscreen with headphones (required) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbEnWLRo1s

[balmy wing]

i forgot the equanimity isn’t here yet, i wouldn’t be shocked if it comes next season on account of what seems like a more uesc heavy sorta deal

[rotund stump]

HE GETS IT

[zealous laurel]

Just one?

[sudden pollen]

The piano at the beginning of this gives me instant chills every time I rewatch it

[zealous laurel]

It's a lore question!

[median hemlock]

The three stages of rampancy

• melancholy
• anger
• He's Literally Me

[rotund stump]

equanimity raid pleaseeeeeeee god I wanna see more different roid types

[half jetty]

Durandal stopping communications with Tycho only to be the one to start speaking to Tycho again later on is absolutely 1000% toxic yaoi energy lol

[fossil zodiac]

And some phonk edits

[half jetty]

'nah fuck you you insulted me by calling me too sarcastic, im done'

'you up...?'

[zealous laurel]

The three stages of rampancy:

• sad
• angy
• no talk me

[balmy wing]

i want to see more colony maps first ngl but i can see some real future heat if bungo starts to expand on the raid maps

[zealous laurel]

Oh he would have the yaoiest of yaoi hands

[median hemlock]

pivoting to barely concealed homophobia because no one is taking your bait is A Choice

[balmy wing]

more marathon maps, the equanimity, maybe some really fucked up and evil parts of TC4, lh’owon

[sudden pollen]

I have no doubt they will expand on this, there's such a ridiculous amount of potential with this game it's kind of absurd

[half jetty]

durandal with the dorito chip chin

[balmy wing]

they better give us the vault of glass

[rotund stump]

3 minutes of lhowon in a random portal on the ship

[sudden pollen]

Arena with a bossfight but every floor roof and wall is literal glass 😈

[zealous laurel]

You leave our 30 degree angle king alone

[rotund stump]

imma take the bait what's wrong with yaoi lol

[half jetty]

(homophobia he's too afraid to say with his full chest for fear of mod action)

[median hemlock]

it has gay people in it, is his logic

[rotund stump]

oops

[half jetty]

kakakaka

[rotund stump]

OH slimed

[zealous laurel]

Oop

[rotund stump]

live on tv holy shit

[sudden pollen]

bro afraid of homes 😭🥀 ICANT

[median hemlock]

see ya!

[zealous laurel]

There he goes

[sudden pollen]

LOL GG

[half jetty]

low orbit ion cannon fired, starting recharge phase....

[balmy wing]

there should be a random door on any map that briefly takes you to lh’owon for just long enough for a f’lickta to kill you

[sudden pollen]

Guys its time for my 10th rewatch this week of the reveal cinematic with the ozymandias reading am I cooked yet am I a marathon glazer ye t I NEED MORE CINEMATICS PLS

[median hemlock]

ty mods appreciate it a lot

[sudden pollen]

mods do be modding, very Cool.

[rotund stump]

take this inconspicuous s'pht teleporter to a distant desolate planet and get chased by a f'lickta for 3 minutes while you hunt for the ultimate mcguffin! (it's a purple salvage with no codex entry)

[fossil zodiac]

I too am watching cinematics atm.

[sage lark]

did Fox get banned finally?

[fossil zodiac]

Just saw this one too. 😄

[zealous laurel]

Looks like

[rotund stump]

yaoi of all things got him 💀

[balmy wing]

so it would seem mashallah

[median hemlock]

bi-lal kaifa

[sage lark]

nice, lore ragebait didnt work anymore so he went for homophobia lmao

[sudden pollen]

Dude I recently got Edifier MR4 studio monitors (nice speakers) for my desk setup and holy christ it elevates the sound experience of this even more 🤩

[median hemlock]

really funny how easily people in this discord will take their mask off when prompted and get nuked

[zealous laurel]

And all I asked was if Durandal and Tycho were yaoi u_u

[rotund stump]

fishing masterclass

not baiting cuz we get results

[sudden pollen]

It is genuinely wild yea. ik you have me blocked for whatever reason but I agree large servers like this are cesspools sometimes. People are too comfortable just saying whatever online

[fossil zodiac]

I do hope our Runner gets some kind of "good" ending? They could be kept forever.

[median hemlock]

i have you on ignore now because youve managed to not be gross but you definitely did jump in on a "why is this trans woman complaining about being treated weirdly" dogpile at some point

not worth bringing back up in here

[median hemlock]

good endings in marathon seem like an oxymoron

[sudden pollen]

Sorry if I came off aggressive back then, i've had experiences with other folks in the past that lead me to that initial harsh response. It's all chill I understand where you were coming from 100%

[median hemlock]

although i guess durandal and tycho are trying their best to get one

may the best sentience win and all that

[fossil zodiac]

Yeah I don't expect it to happen, and we're an even smaller cog in the overall machine, but an essential tool nonetheless for these factions.

[balmy wing]

i need tycho to show up so bad

[tranquil basin]

Fuck that guy

[median hemlock]

i agree with both of these posts

[sudden pollen]

Med bot is so cute

[fossil zodiac]

I like Recon's lil drone guy

[tranquil basin]

He does a little dance spin sometimes

I like that

[rotund stump]

you and zenith in the same chat gave me actual shock with the pfps LOL

[sudden pollen]

Whaaaat this game gets better and better

[tranquil basin]

I’ll post it in run clips rq

[sudden pollen]

Lol I did a double take too 😭

[rotund stump]

medbotwidehappy

[balmy wing]

yeah i’d love to

[hushed prairie]

Missed whatever originally happened but from i gather i dont want to have been here for it. I'm just here rn to say that im glad hate didnt win out this time. 💜

[sage lark]

Except it tracks for SHIT

[rotund stump]

oh my god get a ROOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM

[sage lark]

MF WOULD RATHER RUN CIRCLES

[tranquil basin]

Ok the vid is in #📽️run-clips

[balmy wing]

it’s so funny watching the enemy recon drone do literally nothing

[sudden pollen]

I should make that rq, good idea

[fossil zodiac]

Yeah lil dude is not the brightest drone. You have to get him pretty close for it to be effective.

[tranquil basin]

It definitely needs some nav fixes

[tranquil basin]

Oh it’s not a spin

But he does wiggle

[fossil zodiac]

It was still cute lol.

[sage lark]

I was a recon defender but I believe its the weakest shell rn

[sudden pollen]

It 100% is

[sage lark]

Rocking vandal and the mobility and ability to rotate anywhere almost plus the arm cannon is just too good

[sudden pollen]

I guarantee they'll listen and tweak/buff her

[sage lark]

For sure

[tranquil basin]

Def needs a little buff

[sage lark]

And the ult is very meh sometimes

[fossil zodiac]

I am a Recon defender. 😭

But yeah some work could be done.

[sudden pollen]

If recon can get a nice buff, and thief & assassin lowered in power (thief complete outclasses recon for... reconnaissance- drone, scanner, hacks players, loot recon etc) - that's all thats needed I think

[subtle oracle]

Lets try this again

[tranquil basin]

Yeah. Idk if it needs range or duration or what? Maybe she just needs another drone charge

[sage lark]

The ability to see people through smoke on thief is a lil busted

Free thermals

[rotund stump]

I still think that heat-dependent thermal sight idea on twitter would be pretty hype lol

[median hemlock]

sometimes on outpost when i hear a lot of footsteps i say "wheres a recon when you need her"

and then i never think about her in any other context lmao

[rotund stump]

also they'd definitely do some improvement on drone and tick tracking in s2 cuz this is atrocious rn 😭

[sudden pollen]

Absolutely

[rotund stump]

they like glue to whatever surface they're on and almsot never come off and it results in ticks 3 feet away from me and doing circles

[sudden pollen]

Ticks are so janky they suck to fight

[trail quartz]

Not sure if this relates to lore, because it’s a certain soundtrack I was listening to marathon called “We’re All Monsters”, after listening to it few times, the vocalist literally says “Leela” and “Phfor”.

For the Leela part the vocalist says it like “Lee… La” not sure there is a decipherable language in the soundtracks.

not sure if it means anything or what. But a head’s up I guess.

[rotund stump]

same with seeker drones when I wanna toss one and it misses the target

[zealous laurel]

They are DOING their BEST leave them ALONE ;~;

[tranquil basin]

I think they could fix it a bit by making them actually thermal, bc rn they just highlight any entity like a player, bot or drone, but there’s other hot stuff it could highlight and stuff it could ignore

[rotund stump]

nonono you're missing it we want our tick buddies to improve...

the tick+ update

imagine

[tranquil basin]

I’ll listen

[rotund stump]

yeah cuz like wym you can counter a thermal with a sig jammer 💀 💀

[zealous laurel]

Okay good I will not tolerate tick bullying I need their biomass for my nucal upgrades ;~;

[fossil zodiac]

Everyone's words will not stop me from maining Recon. I am DEDICATED. 😔

[tranquil basin]

Yeah, I mean I do think that’s an effective nerf rn but it doesn’t make a ton of sense

[rotund stump]

oh my god yes recon mains rise up

[median hemlock]

all i want re: ticks is for them to be a little more consistent lol, stg ill knife one that is touching me and take no damage and sometimes ill knife one thats not near me and itll blow up and damage me

[trail quartz]

Took me a 10 or 8 full listen times to hear the vocalist words.

But the other words I cannot yet decipher.

[sage lark]

Im a vandal main till atleast sentinel comes out

[zealous laurel]

Yeah fair

[rotund stump]

I'd redact that first 💀

[sage lark]

I just think mobility in this game is too nice to not have

[rotund stump]

or did they announce it?

[sage lark]

Redact what

[median hemlock]

i want to play triage and thief real bad but its hard to ignore vandal having a Get Me Out Of Here/In There button

[rotund stump]

sentinel

[zealous laurel]

Recon main at heart but I've got Thief cores that rock so

[tranquil basin]

I assume they were just sound bites that happen to sound like it, but maybe

[zealous laurel]

Yoink

[sage lark]

Was in a PS article i think so its fair game

[dreamy hawk]

I only know how to play triage. Too nice having my drones and res.

[rotund stump]

oh they didn't edit it out?????

damn

[sage lark]

Oh i dont know

[zealous laurel]

Thief also has that button! The grapple hook? Or do you mean the long slide?

[median hemlock]

i think when i unlock buying cardio kicks ill be triage much more often

[sage lark]

Maybe since then

[tranquil basin]

I’m pretty sure that name was dropped in their roadmap

[median hemlock]

vandal ult increases movement speed and reduces heat buildup so its much more versatile than a single grapple

[rotund stump]

just says "new shell" iirc 😭

[trail quartz]

That’s what I just first thought, unless bungie told the composer to lay some secret words in each tracks as disguised sound bits instead.

[dreamy hawk]

Buffing the whole team is nice too. I find plenty laying around tbh, especially if your team knows to give them you.

[zealous laurel]

Ahhh fair fair forgot her ult

[sage lark]

Triage is busted tho, ran into a trio of them and it was the least fun I had in a video game

[tranquil basin]

It says code named sentinel in the article

[median hemlock]

when ive got a triage on my team and we have drones up i usually just inject all the decayed ones i find on sight

[rotund stump]

I was half a second away from suggesting a purple vandal core that shares the movement amp to team on ult and then I realized how broken it would be

[dreamy hawk]

Was it the other night? Because I had a few evil runs with some folks.

[rotund stump]

oh huh

cuz the only time I read the name was in the ps article so I didn't know lol

[median hemlock]

the vandal main in me says "yeah that would be cool" and the game designer in me says "what the actual christ"

[sage lark]

Saturday i believe

[dreamy hawk]

Triage needs to inject them for the benefit to apply to everyone.

[sage lark]

On dire marsh

[median hemlock]

this is not how it has worked ime

[dreamy hawk]

Not me. I’ve been on perimeter lately.

[dreamy hawk]

Maybe I’m wrong?

[sage lark]

Genuinely the most cancer fight between self revives, instant revives with ult

And them being decent with aim

[median hemlock]

anybody with a drone on them recieves/sends out consumables to the others

ive used patch kits while at full hp to heal teammates more than once

[rotund stump]

ok but blue triage core equalizing heat across every teammate with a drone would be extremely cool

[zealous laurel]

Heh

Cool

Heh heh

Reducing heat

Heh

[rotund stump]

ehehehehehehe

ik exactly what I'm suggesting LOL

[median hemlock]

catch me "accidentally" crouch sliding 3 times in a row so nobody can run

[rotund stump]

oh no I fatfingered oh no I didn't let go in time

[median hemlock]

aw i double jumped for no reason haha mb

[rotund stump]

I mean there's already cores that provide nothing in solos so 💀

[lunar cove]

Get it twisted, I'm getting the first Sekiguchi contract done and I will sacrifice this whole team to get it.

We are taking 20 tick damage.

[zealous laurel]

I'm just sooooo quirky like that lol

[sudden pollen]

GLorp

[sudden pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/get-it-twisted-northernlion-nl-bald-egg-gif-4590574801875848984

lol the link explains it

[rotund stump]

end of the world if they ever change tick damage to health to heat buildup

+20 +20 +20

[lunar cove]

I'm familiar with mr lion and his body of work lol

[sudden pollen]

Elite Ball Knowledge

[rotund stump]

"yeah lemme grab my ranch doritos" and everybody kneels from overheat as he afks under a tick nest

[sudden pollen]

💀

[zealous laurel]

Important lore question what would each company rep's favorite dorito flavor be

[sudden pollen]

cyberacme is cool ranch 100%

[rotund stump]

ranch and I speak for all of mida

[lunar cove]

Northernlion actually got Sekiguchi'd a couple years back

[zealous laurel]

NuCal has to be nacho cheese, right

[lunar cove]

He got multiple bacterial infections at the same time that were so severe they hadn't been seen in a first world country in decades

[fathom egret]

Mida is the Sweet Spicy Chilli Doritos

[rotund stump]

nope it's ranch

always and forever will be ranch

[lunar cove]

Simultaneous salmonella and campylobacter

[rotund stump]

what greasy fingers do you think gantry taps the intercom with

[lunar cove]

Gantry is british or something so they call them crisps

[rotund stump]

gantry's an aussie and it makes it so much funnier LOL

[arctic crater]

NuCAl in the weed business

[mint hamlet]

does the "Marathon crew cannibalized each other" theory hold any truth?

[arctic crater]

420 plastered all over their crates

[zealous laurel]

See i would say Arachne was spicy chili

[rotund stump]

the-there's...marie-juan-ah...in my cheeseburger davic...

[fathom egret]

Nah they are Flaming Hot

[mint hamlet]

Arachne is pineapple. its the only fruit that eats ur skin.

[sage lark]

Whats the different between ranch and sour cream onion

[zealous laurel]

There's pineapple doritos??

[rotund stump]

ranch is simply superior

[lunar cove]

Gantry is drinking VB and eating HSP between sending you off to puncture 5 UESC tires

[median hemlock]

NIGHTMARE

[rotund stump]

arachne has to be some super niche regional flavor just to spite everybody 😭

[mint hamlet]

no just the fruit pineapple (i didnt know we were talking about dorito flavors)

[fathom egret]

Too bad there are no chips and everyone just drinks cheeseburgers and ticks

[zealous laurel]

One is ranch and one is sour cream and onion hope this helps 👍 (genuinely I'm not sure)

(And at this point I'm too afraid to ask)

[rotund stump]

ranch is a lot saltier than sour cream onion I feel like

[lunar cove]

Would Gantry let me borrow his ute

[mint hamlet]

anyway i really need to know if this is legit or not

[dreamy hawk]

Is anyone else getting hungry?

[rotund stump]

but then I'm comparing pringles to doritos 💀

[balmy wing]

one tastes like ranch, the other like sour cream and onion

[zealous laurel]

Arachne WOULD be the one to bring the fruit plate to the company picnic

[mint hamlet]

thank u

[lunar cove]

Arachne would bring untreated fugu fish or something

[sage lark]

Isnt ranch just sour cream

[zealous laurel]

More buttermilk, i think

[rotund stump]

it's like so much saltier 😭

[dreamy hawk]

I haven't seen anything, yet, at least. But I could be missing something.

[rotund stump]

also yeah richer flavor

[mint hamlet]

mida would give you burnt steak

[sage lark]

Wtf is buttermilk

[rotund stump]

sour cream is so insanely light compared to ranch

[zealous laurel]

The water that's leftover when you wash butter off

[balmy wing]

it has buttermilk and mayo added, along with onion powder, dill, all sorts of bullshit

[zealous laurel]

It has all the like milk solids and stuff

[rotund stump]

that's whey no?

buttermilk's when you spool milk into butter and the milk left over

whey's when you wash butter

[sage lark]

Im eating fries with horseradish rn

[zealous laurel]

Oh you could be right

[rotund stump]

aha

[mint hamlet]

its a theory going around that goes like this.
in the marathon cryo archive videos we see like a freezer room with body bags. Tau Ceti caused mass famine. So either those are cryo pods they threw themselves into to avoid being starved to death. or they are holding human corpses so that they can eat them to continue surviving on the ship till help arrived