📚marathon-lore-discussion

[hollow ridge]

But yeah, i was gonna say im sure the thing talking about the rampant behaviour also says it metastabalises after the rampant period iirc?

[dreamy hawk]

I dont think thats guaranteed.

[latent lava]

I just got hold of some codex relating to domestic animal prototypes (I don't extract much lol), Sekiguchi stuff. In the doctor's emails there is a very peculiar signature, with a reference to the year 2467...

Was immortality through shells already present 400 years before the expedition? Or did it take more than 400-500 years to prepare for the expedition to Tau Ceti IV? I don't understand.. does someone have some information on this?

[dreamy hawk]

Im pretty sure it’s not, in fact. See poor Leela.

[hollow ridge]

I mean, Shells could have been around conceptually for a while. I feel like Rook may be the starting point for Shell tech in canon, but thats me speculating because I also dont have all the collectables lol

[dreamy hawk]

Also to the earlier point:

<tycho.knetsys.core.admin>

Human!- You must tell L~~fx~eela #^ (^*T~~~HGFd~>:"}}}{__brought here by Durandal. He has been rampant for years~@%&&&HJGPPPPPPP#&34
^Bernard St~~~ there is a way to delay the~ onset of the second stage, and he ~sed this to control Durandal an~56*~~~~

ff`~~~~ff`fXff`
~~~~~~&^%
'I am being a~*ssimilated.

-from Marathon, Defend THIS!, Terminal 3

Durandal has been long rampant.

[ripe basalt]

I'm sorry I can't search, but what are the current theories on the "sacking" of TCIV in 2794 and the fact that we seem to be exploring the events that followed in the 10 years after? Did Tycho and Durandal lie or overstate the impact to the colony in the second Pfhor wave?

Or do we think they're retconning the date of that second attack to 2804?

[dreamy hawk]

I earnestly am not sure and would love to know. I’m thinking some time distortion and other weirdness from the anomaly but I’m not certain.

But I did always imagine there was nothing left after the second attack.

[ripe basalt]

But the Pfhor would have had to come back for Tycho regardless, unless we are in an entirely different timeline (I never finished or wrapped my head around Infinity)

[dreamy hawk]

(I’m in the same boat)

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/dream.html

[rapid salmon]

any hints for the password?

[dreamy hawk]

So the timeline splits after M1, and M2 gets rewritten in Infinity. I know in some timelines Tycho is assimilated, and in some he’s not, but I forget which we ended in.

[alpine finch]

Uh, trying to get things right, if the UESC is the "government" of earth/mars idk but its the official thing back on SOL. If that's the case how the hell do they have so many robots guarding a place humanity built an arc and took hundreds of years to get to?

[rapid salmon]

probably the same way the runners get there: some sort of 3d printer or assimilator that constructs the beings there, while their conscience remains back home in Sol

but that is just a theory

[dreamy hawk]

They sent reinforcements and it’s actually a small contingent overall.

[latent lava]

The only time i feel sad for not extracting and dying in this game is when i lose codex info 🙁

[alpine finch]

I see.. I thought those printers we're all aboard the marathon ship tho? Or isnt that the place we go when we exfil?

[rapid salmon]

disclaimer: i just made that up as a possible idea, if anything in actual lore contradicts that, ignore me

[alpine finch]

gotcha

[dreamy hawk]

UESC did send a ship along with it building an FTL relay to TC. Presumably it’s arrived and the relay is finished.

[digital plaza]

Hundreds of years passed, FTL was developed (i guess?) and UESC flew in with a fleet

[hollow ridge]

Ditto, especially when ive got multiple of em cuz I got super lucky.

[hexed dew]

By building a new ship and spending 80 ish years to send it here, if the earlier ARG is to be believed.

[latent lava]

Yeah, the anomaly event in Dire Marsh tells that the cube is capable of do something with the space and time and no one knows why

[topaz wing]

i keep hearing people talk about some cat in dire marsh i'm so lost with what that is?

[alpine finch]

Hm.. ok sounds good

[dreamy hawk]

Do you remember the name of the shop by chance? I keep forgetting and then I can never search up info…

[rapid salmon]

good point! it could be possible that they are the same places the data cards and runner conscience export to, not on the planet surface but above it

[hollow ridge]

Watch us somehow manage to time travel backwards into one of the marathon games using the cubes as a part of a seasonal plot lmao

[hexed dew]

Ah shit, it was from those Traxus and UESC emails in the first half! let me see....

[latent lava]

Sometimes you hear and see Bingus in Dire Marsh, also on perimeter i think, its a mistery who he is and what he do

[latent python]

My guess is that there weren't a lot of people, or any, on board the UESC ship. Maybe because then they could do greater-than-human acceleration and deceleration to get there faster

[alpine finch]

I (THINK) the FTL is only for communications, thats what the robo waifu told me so Ill stick to it, cause even communications are hard/impossible let alone travel

[tranquil sparrow]

I think this is off-topic! Sorrry

[rapid salmon]

like an airship of some sort that was onboard the marathon, but when it arrived, they split and acted as satellites of some sort?

[hollow ridge]

Okay here's a crackpot theory.. what if _Gantry is Orion. Yes I know theyre different VA but like, Orion has a partner with Mida ties.

[latent python]

I'm also pretty sure humans have only developed FTL communications

[digital plaza]

Bingus pink ghost cat that roams dire marsh and perimeter, you can see or hear him sometimes, probably connected with Durandal in some way
https://youtu.be/QcNVqAYJLZU

[livid lion]

There is FTL travel too

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t think humanity can achieve safe FTL yet for meatbags but I don’t remember why I think that.

But based off them sending bots and runners it fits circumstantially.

[alpine finch]

Like until someone links me proof ill stick to communications, theres no reason for a full scale invasion if they can get to Tau Ceti in like 1 day with FTL

[latent python]

The Pfhor have FTL travel for sure, I haven't seen anything about humans having it

[livid lion]

I suggest reading though the materials of the first ARG

[jade crane]

I think it's because even with ftl it still takes 80 years to get to TC IV

[hexed dew]

Project Goliath was a UESC mission launched in 2795, sending the ship UESC Equanimity to re-establish contact with the Marathon and the colony New Cascadia. It brought along with it FTL communications.

[digital plaza]

Well either way UESC got ships in orbit with human personnel

[ripe basalt]

I'm pretty sure I got a codex unlock of a woman officer, present day, talking about how either Orion or Cerberus was sending her on patrol and how they were hunting an elusive "target."

[livid lion]

That Traxus and the UESC are capable of FTL travel is explicit the text

[dreamy hawk]

My hero!

[jade crane]

So i think it's just easier to send massive amounts of robots on ships from Sol

[latent python]

How...do we read the ARG marerials

[alpine finch]

the plot thickens.. I wonder why they didn't engage the marathon ship itself

[latent python]

The people in the ARG channel aren't very friendly about catching people up

[rapid salmon]

not necessarily, because messages go to and from almost instantaneously. it could be that its unstable for real matter, but for waves and messages in is instant.

[hexed dew]

I'm referencing a google doc writeup from the old arg 3 ish years ago. Here
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1M4iwWZGP6-uAnPk89B_kbnKA5i3laB0ITtJ79g0ySco/mobilebasic#h.7fqa3zf5oaag

[livid lion]

The pins, karnemir’s website is easier for just reading it all

[dreamy hawk]

They’re in the Cryo archive so presumably they did.

[livid lion]

That doc is good too

[hexed dew]

I totally forgot he had that!

[alpine finch]

Cryo archive will be INSIDE the ship?

damn

[dreamy hawk]

Yes.

[alpine finch]

holy s thats cool

[dreamy hawk]

The marathon, to be specific.

[rapid salmon]

theres a cinematic/music video that shows it

[latent lava]

Durandal between Marathon 1 and 2 teaches humans how to make FTL journeys

[dreamy hawk]

Weapons only.

[rapid salmon]

probably not living matter

[dreamy hawk]

At least only missiles are specified.

[rapid salmon]

that why runners are essential

[hexed dew]

I believe he did. But it wasn't used here. Stand by!

[rapid salmon]

they are biocybernetic

How did you know it was Durandal in the terminals? All I saw was the subtitles

[jade crane]

Yeah but I think that's separate technologies, sol developed some sort of device that lets info and data connect with no delay somehow. Ian assuming it has something today with the SOS and data you send back to the Sol system to warn them in the old games

[dreamy hawk]

The charisma.

[rapid salmon]

lol

[latent lava]

The shells to be deployed and built in orbit mean that there is an additional CyberAcme ship in orbit.

[jade crane]

Something you send back must have helped humans make massive leaps since the marathon launched and traveled for awhile

[alpine finch]

arent we all on the marathon ship?

[rapid salmon]

i feel like if that were true, it would be bigger news than the actual marathon

[digital plaza]

Ben Starr is confirmed to be Durandal and subtitles have his name when he speaks

[livid lion]

Traxus ship but yes

[rapid salmon]

for outpost, perimiter, and dire marsh we are on the planet surface

[topaz wing]

cryo will be on the ship though right

[rapid salmon]

yes

[eternal shell]

the uesc marathon is super off limits rn

[digital plaza]

No

[eternal shell]

we're working on changing that tho

[alpine finch]

No yea I mean- dont we go from ship to the planet then back to marathon ship? I didnt think we went to another ship

[topaz wing]

what is the room with the lights that they show in the 8 minute cinematic? where i assume all the runners "spawn"?

is that on the uesc marathon?

[jade crane]

The phor ship

[latent lava]

In the first trailer, you see thousands of “rooms”/“capsules” where shells are built, and then, as soon as they are ready, a digitized mind chooses a shell and goes to Tau Ceti IV

[alpine finch]

So there is another ship.. hm...

[rapid salmon]

its cool that there are args because its a nice puzzle but its hard for people to catch up who werent here for the previous ones, such as myself

[jade crane]

Their flag ship in fact

[ripe basalt]

No, even the UESC is struggling to get into or out of the Marathon. The Marathon is abandoned and "haunted."

[topaz wing]

but i'm tryna understand where is this area w/ the rooms/capsules?

[alpine finch]

Ohhh I see, okay okay its thickening more

[latent lava]

Even when you do an extraction and bring weapons or objects back from Tau Ceti, you bring them back to this ship managed by ONI

[distant cedar]

Project Goliath right? Started work when contact with the colony was lost

[livid lion]

Leela’s distress signal was not faster than light. If anything it was possibly slower than light based on her description. It’s possible that the colony already had form of FTL connection back to Earth due to the speed at which the UESC first learned of the loss of contact

[latent lava]

On the CyberAcme ship i think, who is also in orbit like the Marathon

[stable pollen]

Anybody know what the Roman numerals mean within the start screen?

[topaz wing]

did we ever see the ship or is that just explained through text?

[latent lava]

Let me look if i can take the exact video time on the first trailer

[distant cedar]

Thats probably the case for why the CyAc Runner printer ship got there so much faster than the UESC Equinimity

[alpine finch]

And.. just so I can get this out of my head, the reason humans arent dropping anymore is beucase someday everyone started floating and bursted into purple goo? Wtf even...

[stable pollen]

The Roman numerals are “IIV.XIV.VI”

[distant cedar]

they only got ftl comms and mostly short range teleporting

[distant cedar]

TCIV is 12 LYs away so they still went there with lower than light tech, just far faster ltl tech than the Marathon used (taking 301 years)

[queen kraken]

so did it take us another couple hundred years to get to tau ceti?

[livid lion]

It’s only talked about in the ARGs so far and only obliquely

[hexed dew]

The document detailing Project Goliath is dated 2 November 2795
The UESC Equanimity crew is told to expect a one way trip, and to integrate into the colony if it survives.

The bottom of the note says
"SEALED UNTIL INTENDED ARRIVAL DATE: 20/4/2894"

So they expect the Equinimity to take ~100 years to reach the colony anyway. The ship's arrival appears to coincide with our arrival as runners.

[jade crane]

True

[latent lava]

Look here, you can see that there are many capsules where SekGen worms create shells https://youtu.be/fvbEnWLRo1s?t=95

[livid lion]

Some think the method of interstellar FTL travel is many small jumps so this could be all there is

[hexed dew]

There is a weirder part though!

[latent lava]

When a shell is ready it can be deployed from the orbit to tau ceti, this is what i understand

[livid lion]

Notably in the future of our current year (2893)

[latent lava]

The ship where this happens must have been sent after Neo Cascadia's request for help, probably together with the Goliath project.

[digital plaza]

It didn't?

[rapid cave]

i have been noticing smth
when u type ingame chat sometimes theres hashtags randomly palced or even full words (that u didnt type) for ex "hes here" -> "hes #### ##### here" and sometimes it would even repeat a phrase, other times there would be musical notes, yes like actual notes but i only got one symbol repeating. are these tech issues or cannon thing?

[eternal shell]

that's probably cause they used the same chat filter as the one in destiny 2

[topaz wing]

censoring i think? though "bro" gets hashtagged as well

[eternal shell]

and that chat filter is distilled shit

[rapid cave]

but thats the thing, it dffoesnt censor anything i say (otrher friends managed to get ti to too)

tahts why im asking

[eternal shell]

as bad as you suspect the chat filter is, i assure you it's way worse

[latent lava]

I think its canon, When you inspect certain legendary items, the text is not clearly legible, as if the ONI systems have been hacked by someone to prevent you from understanding where the items are located

[eternal shell]

it's award-winningly bad

[latent lava]

Most of them concern items that can only be found in cryo archives.

[crisp zealot]

No breakthroughs with the password yet?

[rapid cave]

i thought it was smth wrong with the censor but the msuic notes, the repeating of words made me think it might be cannon but idk

[topaz wing]

password?

[crisp zealot]

The ARG has a password on the index camera. Nobody’s cracked it that I know of

[kindred depot]

Iwander if the passwords in in the codex files

[livid lion]

Anything Reed related maybe since he was the top UESC military guy

But that’s neither here nor there for this channel

[hexed dew]

So, a brief timeline.
UESC Marathon is launched in 2472
UESC Marathon arrived in the Tau Ceti star system in 2773
The colony is established in 2787
The current ARG website has a timestamp at the bottom, pointing us to 2788 (we don't know why yet. No lore relevant to this year)
The events of Marathon 1 and the arrival of the Pfhor begin in 2794
THE UESC LAUNCH A RESCUE MISSION IN 2795 (How did they know to do that? The UESC believes a rebellion or rampancy may have occurred)

According to the intro cinematic of the game we are playing, Earth lost contact with the Marathon in 2804 (probably due to sub-light communications delay. But this is still 10 years after the government launched their rescue.)
Earth received the cryptic message "Somewhere in the heavens, they are waiting" in 2888, setting off the race for information.

We arrive in 2893
The UESC Equinimity launched as part of the rescue mission is tue to arrive bu 2894

[prime rose]

The launch the relief mission because contact with the colony is lost for longer than every possibly contingency they have planned for except insurrection and they assume MIDA or MIDA sympathizers did a coup

They make it look like a relief mission and not a military response so that they look good to the rest of Sol and just in case the colonists didn’t do a coup, they don’t want to give them a reason to think poorly of the UESC

[hexed dew]

It just means that the UESC hid this from their citizens for 10 years, OR, they knew something impossibly fast

[prime rose]

We are literally told explicitly why they launch the Goliath mission

They lost contact with the colony for too long

[latent lava]

There is a item that tells the first problem with the Marathon ship, An announcement from the UESC, stating that people on the colony can no longer return to the marathon

[prime rose]

They didn’t know why contact was lost - even in the event of total loss of the colony’s comms systems, the ship would have had the means to produce new ones within the window of lost contact

[latent lava]

Let me see if there is a date

[hexed dew]

Yes, AND - when you fire up the new Marathon for the first time, it tells us that the "breaking news" that Earth lost contact with the Marathon is dated in 2804, 9 years later.

[rapid salmon]

which trailer? the announcement one?

[quartz iris]

is this the place where people are discussing ARG stuff, or is there a specific discord for the puzzle?

[hexed dew]

#breach-protocol

[distant cedar]

The Marathon is a decrepit (and seemingly hostile) hulk that neither the corpos nor the UESC have so far dared to seriously explore (or had much effort when they tried)

[latent lava]

https://youtu.be/fvbEnWLRo1s?t=95

[distant cedar]

So they should know of the Pfhor?

[hexed dew]

You're right though, on a re-read.

The government knew and launched relief under the belief of rebellion or rampancy, but it didn't break the enws for another 9 years.

It's [Probably] just a convenient coincidence that the years match the Pfhor arrival.

[latent lava]

I believe that the UESC knows everything; we are experiencing the perspective of runners or corporations that know much less than the UESC.

[hexed dew]

The UESC might not have known about the pfhor in 2775 when they sent a rescue, but who knows what they know now.

[crisp zealot]

I didn’t realize the Equanimity is to arrive in a year’s time from the start of the game… that smells like trouble.

[latent lava]

Leela sent a message

about alien attack

[alpine finch]

still kinda lost with this one, what was the purple goo about? Looked like something a destiny god would do by accident

[hexed dew]

One that would take 92 years to arrive.

Theoretically, Leela's mayday would arrive in 2886

[hexed dew]

That's also curious. Did it arrive early with us secretly in the escort, or are we here via FTL vessels sent while the Equinimity was in transit?

[distant cedar]

I take it Leelas message is seperate from Durandals transmission in 88?

Also

AI sends slowest distress message ever devised
asked to self-terminate

Also makes sense tbh that the loss of contact took 10 years to be realised given they are still ~12 LYs away

[restive knoll]

For anyone who has dove hard into the logs: Do we know roughly how long the colonists lasted after order in the colony completely collapsed? I've started getting Jasper's logs and now I'm really curious about those final days (which could very well be years)

[distant cedar]

They couldnt have physiclaly known sooner

[distant cedar]

Same I assumed the Equanimity arrived simply early
Either is weird until further clarification

[hexed dew]

The colony was "Destroyed" in 2787 by the Pfhor, but we don't know about survivors if there were any. 7 years after its founding.

[livid lion]

Very probably the UESC sent a second response when they learned of the breach to Project Goliath

At least that’s how I square the circle for the moment

[latent lava]

I only found a diary about the last Cheesburger log from NuCaloric, which talks about how a single survivor lived alone eating only NuCaloric burgers, and hearing strange voices and insects that wanted to kill him

[distant cedar]

Didnt it take till like the 2820s or so for both the plague and the anomaly to come around?
atleast based on old marathon lore anyhow

[hexed dew]

I think we must have beens ent FTL.....

[distant cedar]

I mean yeah

it took us 6 years to go there

[livid lion]

With regard to us (runners) that’s certain yes

[hexed dew]

The Sekeguchi emails detailing Biomata series to be sent to Tau Ceti are dated 2888.
We'd have to have been sent here in ~6 years unless we were somehow made on site with blueprints made 90 years after we left

[distant cedar]

I just dont think that any living thing could survive still primitive form of FTL the runner ship did use

[distant cedar]

FTL at 200% speed of light basically

[hexed dew]

That answers that part, I suppose. We're all definitely here before the equanimity arrived

[distant cedar]

If the Equanimity has not yet arrived proper though, are they just teleporting the troops in from a distance?

Do they have that range to extend through say

atleast a full solar system?

[hexed dew]

The UESC have FTL coms we hacked, maybe they also have travel

[latent lava]

Is equanimity another project/ship sent by the UESC?

[hexed dew]

That was the rescue mission, Project Goliath sent in 2795

[distant cedar]

They have had teleporter tech for over 300 years and use it liberally in SOL i think

according to one of the codex entries

so it aint impossible esp if all the equanimity does rn is slowly decelerating into a TCIV orbit

[livid lion]

In the MIDA zine, it says both “Trax” and “Big Gov” have access to FTL travel

[distant cedar]

Well yeah
Now

[livid lion]

Big Gov is presumably the UESC

[hexed dew]

And SekGen is contracting their tech with Traxus. That adds up

[distant cedar]

And its unclear still wether humans can survive long-term FTL travel

[digital plaza]

Its seems like the anomaly blow up people sometimes, in the reveal cinematic and in game you can see this, but its not directly stated what or how this happens. By "humans arent dropping anymore" you mean why we only see robots on the planet? There are human personnel, its just we dont see them during gameplay :p (https://youtu.be/ZdxqTTM_DnI)

[distant cedar]

Whats Proj Goliath then?

[latent lava]

I don't think so, that's why shells are used

[distant cedar]

What we do know is that FTL comms exist and that whatever ship the Corpo troop used did have some form of primitive FTL

[hexed dew]

A UESC mission to re-establish contact with the Marathon and New Cascadia, under the impression that rebelion or AI rampancy has occurred.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/intercepts/uesc/memoranda

[calm snow]

I might be misunderstanding, but I honestly feel like for the most part the UESC are the good guys of the story currently. they seem to just be trying to do damage assessment and to keep us from fucking up their investigations. Plus runners an the corpos are in this entirely for money. While the UESC is at least here to figured out what’s going on, while also trying to cover everything p

Of course they uh stole a moon

[distant cedar]

Wait, so another UESC ship might already be in orbit?

[calm snow]

And are pretty awful back on Sol afaik

[hexed dew]

It was due to arrive in 2894, it is currently 2893

[distant cedar]

Well they are just the long arm of the corpo

[distant cedar]

Thats the Equanimity

No?

[hexed dew]

Yes

Project Goliath is the mission that they sent the Equanimity to accomplish

[latent lava]

They are NOT the good guys, MIDA knows

[distant cedar]

Ok
It was phrased like they were two seperate things for a sec lol

Hm yes UESC Memoranda

100% a thing

[alpine finch]

Yea thats kinda what I meant, I thought the human personnel were wiped out completely either by this anomaly or the missiles we see on the reveal, and there was only either runners or robots around tau ceti, but this opens up a lot of possibilities

[calm snow]

I wonder if we’ll ever go to the Equanimity
Probably not because it’s not covered by salvage rights

[crisp zealot]

We were talking about where exactly our consciousnesses are stored earlier. I’m thinking we’re actually ON the marathon, maybe in a server room. There’s nothing necessarily saying so, but how could we operate without crazy latency if just a message from Sol took 9 years

[distant cedar]

I need more than 3 hours of sleep man

[distant cedar]

Gimme

I want more wild anomaly shit

I need the full Zone experience for my STALKER heart

[alpine finch]

same thats cool asf

same same i love stalker lol

[latent python]

More likely that runners are stored on an ONI ship or an ONI-hacked partition of the UESC ship in Tau Ceti

[calm snow]

I say good guys not because they are nice and friendly, but because they aren’t exploiting the collapse of a colony to recover lost profits from nearly 400(?) years ago

[distant cedar]

Given we may have arrived early i think the former

but until we learn more of the equanimity the latter is still feasible ig

[calm snow]

Unless they are also doing it for money but they are all like the government of humanity sooo

[distant cedar]

Just means we arent in orbit of TCIV yet

[latent lava]

All the corps believe that the UESC is hiding something big

[distant cedar]

I mean
What is a government if not the long arm of the corporations

[hexed dew]

I think we run locally, and are stored in orbit if the intro cinematic is right.
We didn't have FTL coms until the first couple missions brought down UESC jammers

[restive knoll]

In a different reality Bungie made this into a co-op STALKER-like about desperate colonists scavenging their ruined colony and alien wilderness for survival

[distant cedar]

lmao fr

[sage lark]

yes you can see this in the Traxus contracts btw

[latent python]

They are hiding something big - aleums

[alpine finch]

They are tho, its not just their colony on another planet its light years away

[hexed dew]

Like, we are not remote controlling these shells. We are these shells, and are ejected on death

[crisp zealot]

But stored locally how?? There’s a satellite with us in it?

[distant cedar]

There was an extrac shooter sorta like that with anomalies and everything but it went bankrupt :despair:

though it wasnt too dystopian notably

[sage lark]

theres Active matter

[distant cedar]

Marathon lore is far better in that regard

[sage lark]

that is still kicking I think

[latent python]

If you're talking about The Cycle, it ded

[calm snow]

I suppose but I feel like if a exoplanetary colony wen dark an I was the government of all mankind I wouldn’t want the corporations that sponsored the colony to get in the way of actually figuring out what happened

[alpine finch]

active matter didnt release (yet) - (also those red orbs look baaaaaaaad)

[distant cedar]

I need to watch that proper is it anywhere on youtube yet

[digital plaza]

Colony survived first Pfhor attack (which was the missiles), but we dont know what exactly happened to them in the end, ingame logs suggest that planet itself was battling humans with rapid mutations of lifeforms and plague

[distant cedar]

so many missable details

[latent lava]

Your mind is transferred into the shell, and when you die, you are saved because your mind is sent back to the ONI servers

ready for a new shell

[distant cedar]

OG Marathon lore suggests a plague outbreak in the isolated colony around 2812 and the eruption of the anomaly by 1822 or so

[calm snow]

Im pretty sure where our consciousness is stored an where our stuff goes is connected to another ship in tau ceti system

[alpine finch]

yea its this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbEnWLRo1s - the missiles are dropped right at the beggining

[hexed dew]

We haven't gotten strict answers yet, but we cannot be here if we were not sent via FTL. We're technology of the 2880's on a planet 12 light years fro earth in 2893. Earth sent more ships that we have not been told about, there's no other way.

[latent python]

Or, like I said, ONI hacked something on the UESC ship

[hexed dew]

That's weird, right? I think this means we're in the modified timeline created by Infinity. Because in Marathon 2, the colony gets destroyed

[distant cedar]

We supposedly are on an FTL-capable ship without human crew
Just biomata printed post arrival

Ie just Cyac servers and a printer array lol

[latent lava]

But the UESC is not there i think

[distant cedar]

I know too little about marathon 2 im only halfway through M1 so far raghh

[latent lava]

He still needs a year to get there.

[distant cedar]

But yes possible

[tawdry nova]

Is there set spawn locations for lore pieces that provide codex entries!?

[digital plaza]

No

[latent python]

The UESC definitely got a ship there already, that's how they set up the FTL data

[distant cedar]

And its still likely the colony was "destroyed"
Read: its remnants died a slow and cruel death by plague and anomaly

[latent lava]

Usually UESC and big boss drops that

[tawdry nova]

Fuuuuuuuu

[latent lava]

Also any container that is not related to weapon and other stuff

[digital plaza]

But you can check out those that i found 😊
https://www.youtube.com/@Tasty_DODO

[acoustic harbor]

Its kind of weird how the big asteroid ships are needed when there is ftl but maybe its because it turns humans to paste. Idk this is probably just a common sci-fi problem tho

[calm snow]

No you sorta just have to find them in high value loot containers, look for bioprinters, hackable safes, tool carts, and weapon lockers(unsure)

[distant cedar]

I also gotta play Misery more sometime
Its PVE stalker to the point GSC tried suing them (baselessly)

[tawdry nova]

I found a journal entry from B Strauss!!!!!

[latent python]

The UESC sent a different ship before they sent the Equanimity, which is the one that set up FRL comms

[digital plaza]

But they do sometimes spawn on the ground

Like the regular loot

[hexed dew]

More likely, one after

[latent lava]

FTL technology was discovered much later; in 2470, it still did not exist.

[distant cedar]

Not really common Marathon is unique for esp a bungieverse to have such restrictive FTL tech
The Pfhor have it figured out iirc but they have been an intergalactic slave empire since before the onset of human civilisation

[restive knoll]

And if these logs are going the way I think they're going, there might still be colonists scraping by out in the wilderness

[distant cedar]

👆

[hexed dew]

We are technology created in the 2880s, the game occurs in 2893, and the Equanimity won't arrive until 2894. so we must be here via FTL

[distant cedar]

before the proliferation of teleport tech they also used literal moon ships to supply planets across sol

6 years travel baby

durandal pelase

please give us pfhor ftl

durandal

[latent lava]

That's right, FTL technology allows you to send anything except humans.

[latent python]

Right, there was a UESC ship that came between the Marathon and the future Equanimity that must have set up FTL comms

[hexed dew]

No, not coms.
Transport.

[distant cedar]

Cycle, Pandora?
Thats the one yes
Bungie better not dare shut Marathon down like that

[hexed dew]

The Biomata cannot be on Tau Ceti. They weren't invented when any of those ships disembarked.

[latent python]

I'm pretty sure runners are here via digitized consciousness

[distant cedar]

Who goin to dire marsh with me xd

need that quest

[hexed dew]

The bodies, I mean.

[latent python]

Like the runners' bodies aren't here, are they?

[gray sluice]

Traxus is funding project Goliath btw

I hate traxus I love them so much

[latent lava]

You lose your body

[hexed dew]

Our shells are, and so are the SekGen Weaveworms invented in the 2880s, a century after the Equanimity was sent.

[latent lava]

you only live like a digital mind

[distant cedar]

Btw this site
Thats focused on Nu-Marathon lore ya?

[calm snow]

Anyways my take on the topic of where our stuff and mind goes after exfil/dying. Is that there is a ship sent by the corporations, thinking they’d have free rein to salvage the remains of new cascadia, sekeguchi brings shells. Our consciousness is stored back home since we probably have FTL data transmissions if we have FTL communications. If we exfil we get to go back the corpo ship and put our stuff away, if we die we get pulled back to earth then sent back if another shell is available.

[hexed dew]

Both! On the left, every terminal from the first 3 games is in the tree under Archive

[distant cedar]

If not sent via FTL then we are indeed on the equanimity and slowly entering the Tau Ceti System on a decel burn and teleporting in alongside the UESC forces

[sage lark]

I dont htink they bring them, theres just printers on that ship

[distant cedar]

I wonder how big the Equan is actually

[hexed dew]

Even that wouldn't work. The Equanimity was sent in the age of cyborgs

[sage lark]

what is the age of cyborgs

[hexed dew]

If the emails from Sekeguchi are to be believed, we're designs only 6 years old.

[calm snow]

Oh right whoops

[distant cedar]

They can teleport decent distances and a ship that spent traveling 90 years being 1 year out still means its well within the system
Space is big

[sage lark]

cyborgs/battleroids were around before even the Marathon launched

[hexed dew]

(just a phrase. The Equanimity had a platoon of Mjolnir cyborgs on board, not Biomata)

[sage lark]

the Equanimity was launched in the 2700s

[livid lion]

LOA: 160.2 m (525.6 ft)
LBP: 140.4 m (260.6 ft)
Beam: 36 m (118.2 ft)
Height: 39.3 m (129 ft)
Displacement, Full Load: 41,528 mt (40,872 LT) Speed, sustained: 0.122c

[sage lark]

they had battleroids on board?

[latent python]

But those are banned!

[livid lion]

The longer length is presumably with some antennae or something

[latent lava]

I believe that the technology of synthetic bodies and digitized minds has been around for much longer; we are just the latest iteration

[calm snow]

I wonder if the marathon looking different in every instance of it shown is because it’s not actually known what the marathon actually looked like unless you were uesc or one of the colonists

[hexed dew]

"Two squad-strength units of specialized SIGINT operatives with access to 48 purpose-built 3rd generation cyborgs (ref. Mjölnir Mk VII-IX, Sharur Mk 2-6) will be re-deployed to the Colony at Tau Ceti."
"It should also be noted that although they share series nomenclature from earlier cyborg assets, these are not the battleroids of old. But I agree, we should not be giving the impression that we are sending an invading army to clamp down Tau Ceti."

[distant cedar]

Huh, that would be an alternate explanation to the significant ground presence
Given discovered FTL tech the UESC basically sent their guys a robot army to control from the Equanimity then

[sage lark]

so they dont have Jjaro tech like the old ones

but good to know

[latent python]

Oh phew we're not digging up old corpses

[calm snow]

It looks different in the original teasers, the cinematic, the nu cal burger video, the main menu an the in game skybox

[distant cedar]

I mean its that
Or there really was a rapture with the anomaly
Many would have died prior obv but like
There is not a single body
24000 colonists dont just vanish from plague and missile strikes

[digital plaza]

Drinkable Cheeseburger | Audio Log 2
https://youtu.be/ody2QountJw

[sage lark]

there is a timeline 2794 Pfhor attack, 2812 supposedly start of the contagion atleast from cinematic, 2827 emergence of the anomaly

its not like poof

[distant cedar]

Thats actually wild that they are this recent
Expected them to be an older thing

or if so, a more primitive form of biomata in any case

[hexed dew]

Did we actually have lore on the FTL coms being set up by an earlier ship? Because there doesn't seem to be anything that says that.

[sage lark]

it happened over atleast 30 years

[hexed dew]

It would be a hunch at best

[distant cedar]

Basedd

[distant cedar]

)I feel like at that point just send the ship with the data bank containing our digitised minds
We are still communicating with them through UESC hijacked FTL commlinks ( meaning the corpos knew atleast of uesc presence and were betting on that link) and theres no indication we actually go back to earth even just digitally

[livid lion]

Nothing explicit on where the FTL antenna on the roofs of buildings come from

[calm snow]

To me it seems safer to store our minds back home instead of on a ship 12 light years away

[hexed dew]

The introductory cinematic seems to suggest we aren't really... stored.

[sage lark]

I still think most of the colonists or some were turned into fungus among us zombies

[distant cedar]

Aye, so the bots really are just an advance force the UESC sent as a backup to arrive before their fucken scary Battleroid loaded warship then 😬

[hexed dew]

We are IN the shells on the ground, and recovered on death

[sage lark]

I think the bots were already there

[distant cedar]

Nice but that defintely rules out us being aboard it

[hexed dew]

Also, anyone notice that the Destroyer deconstructed in the In death We've Just Begun cinematic is never seen again? hmmmmmm

[distant cedar]

Cant wait to see it

[calm snow]

the whole mind storing thing is quite concerning honestly because it seem SUPER unsafe like at any moment something goes wrong and we are deleted forever

[distant cedar]

You think the government follows the laws its make for us 🤭

[calm snow]

Like we almost fucking die when we load into the tutorial mission

[sage lark]

I think its just cuz they split the group after Thief left

[hexed dew]

That's if we exist the way we're told at all. I don't trust Oni's words.

For all I know We're all the same one mind duplicated as many times as necessary for CyAc proffit

[tawdry nova]

Back agsin for my daily the anomaly is the "Wrk" post lol

[calm snow]

Even more terrifying, but ONI does have some round start dialogue that suggests we don’t get copied or anything we are still the same “us”

[rough tinsel]

Who else would crack tf outta thief shell

[restive knoll]

There is a terrible, kinda-hilarious tragedy in that there very well could be survivors starving out in the countryside but everyone on the "rescue mission" is too obsessed with securing property to even bother checking on the leads

[calm snow]

I don’t think the game is pointing towards “you actually die an are copied”, like Soma I guess

[sage lark]

its looking like it more and more, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1vZDwPmL-U especially from this log

[distant cedar]

I think the Pfhors to blame for that?

the appearance of that ship spans 400 years

[hexed dew]

It seems to be more akin to like... liminally ejecting.
Upon death, our shell brains eject the mind into the cloud

[calm snow]

There’s a log entry of a kid named Jonas that makes a distress call an talks about hunting for bugs and birds

Wait maybe his name wasn’t Jonas uhh

[distant cedar]

Yeah thats what i wrote of prior aswell
it was a slow decline but even so the bodies must have gone somewhere

[calm snow]

Something with a J

[sage lark]

Jasper

[calm snow]

Right idk where I got jonas from

[sage lark]

kid that survived the colony and started slowly going insane

[distant cedar]

We dont own our minds
Dont think we have a choice

Also still a better fate than being a vacuume packed colonist

[restive knoll]

The UESC, MIDA, and the corpos, despite their differences, can agree on one thing: screw the colonists

No wonder Durandal is not playing nice

[neon rover]

What do I do with my DAC?

[latent python]

Weezer

[sage lark]

I think its pretty obvious they are all dead or gone, its not that they arent looking for them, when there isnt anything to look for

[distant cedar]

I really gotta watch those already man

[hexed dew]

Durandal calls us "Empty echoes of a thing" too.

[calm snow]

Well yeah but I wouldn’t want to be the megacoroporation that places all its bets on a ship they cant service if something goes wrong

If the ship blows up then all those people’s minds are lost an also a lot of money is lost

[sage lark]

its an ongoing investigation

[distant cedar]

there is a backup on board the satelite at all times i think that will just get straight up overwritten

[sage lark]

but yeah they mostly care about recouping their losses

[light bobcat]

We are pretty empty if you look at the way we're built

[sage lark]

and figuring out what happened so it wont happen again

[hexed dew]

Unelss, the minds aren't unique.
If we're all copies, what's there to lose?

[calm snow]

What satellite?

[distant cedar]

so even if your mind is only partially extracted you dont fuck your conciousness completely and at worst would suffer from memory lapses after tacking bullets to the head Ceti.side

[calm snow]

Is it said in the lore explicitly or implied that we are copies?

[restive knoll]

or making it happen again in a profitable environment

[light bobcat]

I'm a little curious about the tutorial in this case.

[calm snow]

I haven’t seen anything yet that suggests a Soma like situation with our consciousness

[hexed dew]

I'm suggesting it, that we're being lied to.
The only reason we believe we're one specific person is because Oni says so.

In the short film, we even see Oni showing the shells the same childhood photos and claiming it's us.

[distant cedar]

There is literally unfrozen colonists who might be able to be saved

[calm snow]

Oh true..

[hexed dew]

I don't think we are what Oni says we are. I think Oni says it to test us for reliability and control

[light bobcat]

ONI indicated we were damaged to the point we don't remember even the basics of Runner life. How?

Even total shell loss doesn't do that

[tawdry nova]

Thsts the one thst made me think we're a version of the security officer split into the shells. But then you read the traxis log about most ppl going into merc biz being a digitized consciousness

[distant cedar]

They got Biomatas 🤷‍♀️
Expendable workforce right there

[latent python]

Right, this could be ONI lying to us, this could be some kind of inherent damage that happens to make us runners, there are a lot of possibilities

But ONI lying is a strong one

[hexed dew]

It's also a very Bungie trope to say "Hey, wake up. You forgot everything. Do what I say."

[distant cedar]

ive seen glimpses of logs that suchest sekiguchi basically making quadrillions of of having turned large parts of Sols labour force into Biomata debt slaves whose conciousnesses are owned and operate in unsafe environments in printed bodies sooo
I think a few mercs would be an acceptable loss

[calm snow]

If they kept our minds back home, they could still use us if the corpo ship is attacked or is in any sort of trouble

[tawdry nova]

We're in the cloud man

[distant cedar]

The satelite/auto-ship that used FTL to get us to Tau Ceti

[calm snow]

Oh

[distant cedar]

Or they just transfer us back using UESC ftl comms

or god knows

[calm snow]

FTL communications?

[distant cedar]

maybe they have a copy of us Solside anyways

[light bobcat]

It's true, but I'm very curious as to what did that still. Lol

[hexed dew]

I actually suspect that at some point in the 2880's, The UESC AND corporations both sent FTL vessels to Tau Ceti and we're part of that.

[latent python]

The same childhood picture being shown to both a vandal and an assassin in the Mielgo short could also mean the runner switched shells

[distant cedar]

Intro quest
UESC seemingly established it with the vanguard robot force they sent when FTL tech matured enough

They are probably controlled from the equanimity though

[tawdry nova]

Who keeps our login info....could you imagine that level security breach fiasco lol

[calm snow]

That’s what I’m saying, if our minds are really just on a computer somewhere we could just get unplugged by the janitor and no one would notice

[hexed dew]

The horror of liminal existance

[latent python]

Hopefully they keep the EMP grenades in a different hallway

[hexed dew]

Existing this way, are we even real? Were we ever? Is it any different for a human who could die any moment to an aneurism?
Escape

[distant cedar]

Pretty sure given the Equanimity didnt have an autonomos robot force aboard
Just modern (?) Battleroids

Durandal ohw to give us actual bodies or smth ;3c

Escape will make you flesh

[hexed dew]

Durandal compared us to a person moving a bug on their hands, leading the insect into a fire.
Soooo

[distant cedar]

I am being facetious lol

[hexed dew]

Of course, I'm jsut tossing on fuel

[calm snow]

Why would he do that though

[latent python]

Because Durandal's a nice guy

[neon rover]

guys, alot has happened with the ARG and DACs and stuff, can anyone explain it all to me?

[calm snow]

Is he?

[distant cedar]

He likely wouldnt
Im just being silly

[distant cedar]

👆

[calm snow]

Is he really a nice fella

He seems very egotistical

[distant cedar]

He freed an entire species from brutal slavery and destroyed the empire that enslaved them

Good enough in my book lol

[calm snow]

Oh

Right that’s pretty cool

[hexed dew]

That can be tricky.....
Current arg discission is in #breach-protocol
Some old arg stuff was self contained for contracts that are gone now.
Some added to lore

What are you looking for?

[latent python]

He was taught well by his kindly old father Dr Strauss

[hexed dew]

Such a wise author. Did you read his book on the ethics of AI?

[latent python]

Who everyone loves

Kindly, ethical Dr Strauss

[neon rover]

ccontracts, how to level up my DAC, and how to help unlock cryo

[hexed dew]

The contracts have concluded and were mostly for friendly competition. I'm not sure if the DAC can be leveled up anymore, but so far nothing has required a certain DAC level to do. Helping to unlock Cryo is in #breach-protocol Here's a handy google doc about what's going on and has happened so far
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mtUtDPvbh6ahiynYFVS7Z4O79Nw6y5PEOjweCpzWV_A/preview?pru=AAABnPz5sJ0*7Tud5XMCBNSDwLBzZKT2uQ&tab=t.0

[neon rover]

Thanks! That's helped slot!

[distant cedar]

What is DAC even

[hexed dew]

The Digital Access Card?

[latent python]

It's a thing that got assigned to you when you joined the server here

[hexed dew]

It seems to just be a pointer to our Discord names for all I know. Bungie might be able to use them to track individual progress through the ARGs i suppose

Any time a website has needed your DAC, all it did was show the picture and your username in the corner

[distant cedar]

ohh that thing

[strong ether]

October 31, 2018. Satoru Gojo was sealed.

[rotund stump]

welp

twice now that I got ratted at an exfil

AND getting all my contract objectives done and I only needed to exfil to complete LOL

back to the eternal struggle

[distant cedar]

We need the anti-ratters :3c

Oh wait ig the UESC already is in part

[languid wasp]

What do runners do between missions? Do they take breaks? Do they have hobbies? Sipping cheeseburgers together maybe?

[restive knoll]

Not the right channel for it but my go-to strat is to always have just one person go and activate the beacon and then everyone holes up somewhere defensible

[distant cedar]

They get mental stability sessions with ONI if the promotion videos are anything to go off

[distant cedar]

yeah, always a good idea

[languid wasp]

Sounds kinda nice ngl

They're still at least somewhat human, I wonder if they ever do things for fun

[restive knoll]

Its uncertain but there's good evidence that runners don't experience too much outside their shells

[hollow ridge]

I got a voice line on match infil from oni that was "if you experience multiple occasions of memory loss, please consult your user manual"

[distant cedar]

Not much to do in orbit id wager

[acoustic harbor]

Ah i gotcha

[languid wasp]

That is quite depressing

[hexed dew]

it sounds like they do not. Oni describes their condition as a "liminal state" while the new shell is fabricated.

[distant cedar]

lol yeah
Brain upload is fine and all until you take several bullets to the head in the process

[valid pewter]

“A new assassin touches the beacon”

[hexed dew]

So, probably dreamlike. Explaining the loading screens

[distant cedar]

Also ofc the UI

being diegetic in that way

[languid wasp]

What an odd existence

[distant cedar]

the faction conversations literally happen in our heads in digitial partitions of our conciousness

[restive knoll]

Dear God, its like Hypnospace

[distant cedar]

and the faction upgrades
Those are literal .exes
fucken installable executables

[languid wasp]

Are we supposed to think of ourselves as the runners?

[livid lion]

Nardin in an interview said these are “sense memories” implanted your mind to calm you down during the transfer process.

Let me pull up the link

[languid wasp]

I guess not

[hollow ridge]

Let me put mida software in my brain, I sure hope i don't get a zetabyte zip bomb from Orion!

[livid lion]

https://www.polygon.com/marathon-moth-loading-screen-meaning-bungie-interview/

Here

[hexed dew]

There goes Bungie making us weird, light-baked entities with extreme environmental traumas that make player behavior totally understandable. lol

[distant cedar]

💥

[neon viper]

🫡

[rotund stump]

oh hello julia

[hexed dew]

The guardians wiping Cabal, performing vehicular aerobatics over the bodies, and dancing without music in the tower were some of my favorite humor lore cards lol.

[rotund stump]

how's the cardio

[distant cedar]

Wheres that silly drawing of Oni scoffing at Runners ridiculous names

[rotund stump]

oh by dtm right LOL

everdrift my goat

[livid lion]

Runner: This asteroid is not a natural formation.

[calm snow]

Anyone else feel like the colony is wayy too clean to have been abandoned for 100 years

[distant cedar]

Cough
Anomaly
Cough

But yes

[rotund stump]

well it ain't any metal that rusts easily

if metal at all

[calm snow]

Everything is printed I think

[distant cedar]

its way to clean for a place supposedly bombed as well

[rotund stump]

yeah

[distant cedar]

Or is that just me being accustomed to your average human bombing campaigns

[rotund stump]

the first pfhor attack did specifically focus on the spaceport ala outpost destroyed wing (?)

[calm snow]

I mean in the cinematic everything is covered it a shitload of dust and sand as well

[distant cedar]

please dont tell me the Pfhor are more considerate towards human casualties than our real world governments 😬

[distant cedar]

hm

[rotund stump]

well don't be surprised if they are now 💀

[livid lion]

There is or was more than one spaceport so another one was probably nuked

[distant cedar]

Free slaves or som shit
you dont wipe what you wanna capture

[rotund stump]

plausible

[hexed dew]

Dire Marsh looks like Tau Ceti itself exploded through the crust and was frozen in time somehow so who knows what's going on down here.
(What's trying to claw its way out?)

[mental stone]

what is The Conveyance Request spawn point?

[calm snow]

Also wouldn’t there be a lot more overgrowth as well

[distant cedar]

Anomaliye

Alternatively

the God in Red (?)

[calm snow]

The Who?

[rotund stump]

but why would a compiler be there?

[calm snow]

Didn’t feel like leaving

[rotund stump]

assuming by in red you mean that

[calm snow]

👀

[restive knoll]

my inconsequential gripe is that all the corporate material is identical to ours - are you telling me centuries went by and nobody had a merger or logo redesign since then?

[hexed dew]

Weird! Isn't it? While the colony lived, they could barely keep contagions, local wildlife, and flora from overtaking their food supply.

Now? just some fungus on the AI cores.

[distant cedar]

Not that but honestly the audiolog i got that from just might?

[rotund stump]

hm

[mental stone]

what is The Conveyance Request spawn point?

[distant cedar]

then again that would imply humans hiding from compilers on ceti

[calm snow]

Honestly could just be that the map makers didn’t want to make everything actually messy for whatever reason

[calm snow]

Humans also made effigies of them so

Kinda strange

[distant cedar]

Of Compilers, yes?

I know too little about the og marathon lore but like

[hexed dew]

Or the planet behaved with direction.... hmmm

[distant cedar]

given that durandal freed the compilers and led them against the pfhor-

Maybe its alluding to that?

[distant cedar]

The planet is not natural at this point tbh
The Anomaly's been there and fucking with everything for 70 years

[calm snow]

It’s probably not a lore thing that the world isn’t as overgrown as it realistically should be

[hushed spear]

Orion's getting a little sloppy with his work it seems

[calm snow]

Is Orion a human..?

[hushed spear]

no he's a runner

[calm snow]

Actually?

[hushed spear]

yeah

[calm snow]

He seems to have been around for a while too

[hushed spear]

he pops up at the start of the game

[calm snow]

There’s logs of him discussing things with another military commander

[hushed spear]

yeah a higher up named admiral sulera

[distant cedar]

Sulera is on the Equanimity i take it?

Meanwhile orion - if he indeeds a runner - leeds the vanguard core i take it

[calm snow]

I forgot when did that discussion take place? Was it recent?

[hushed spear]

yeah orion is captain of an investigative unit trying to figure out what happened

yeah it's present day

because i got more dialogue between the two

[calm snow]

Ahhh I assumed it was colony era

[hushed spear]

and he's not happy with traxus

[calm snow]

lol

[distant cedar]

He straight up talks to us iirc

[calm snow]

What item gives those logs

[hushed spear]

he's figured out that there's runners on traxus's payroll

the priority contracts

[calm snow]

Well yeah but it’s not hard to imagine him being old because immortality is quite possible in this universe for humans

[hushed spear]

to the point he wants to engage the corporation directly, but he's threatened with dismissal if he does it

[distant cedar]

I mean yeah but then hes just on the equanimity and decidedly not a runner

[hushed spear]

orion can't touch us

[calm snow]

L

L bozo even

[distant cedar]

Lmao

Orion bonapartist coup when

Gerasimov! Where is my ammunition!

[hushed spear]

i think orion might betray the uesc

specifically because of how admiral sulera treats his people

[ocean comet]

Have you finished all of the MIDA priority contracts and heard the audio logs?

[calm snow]

So there are humans in the equinimity?

[distant cedar]

Yes

[hushed spear]

and potentially about what happens on the UESC Marathon

[distant cedar]

And Battleroids

its a non FTL ship

faster than the marathon threefold

but still took em 90 years or so to get here

[hushed spear]

it's certainly faster

[distant cedar]

they are one year out so probably entering the system about now

[hushed spear]

a considerably smaller crew too

[latent python]

When they get here they'll probably give all us runners high fives

[hushed spear]

only about 150 people

[distant cedar]

140m ship

🤷‍♀️

[hushed spear]

but i think orion might question the uesc once the compiler gets loose

[distant cedar]

The Battleroids are gonna crush us man

[latent python]

High fives and drinkable burgers for everyone

[hushed spear]

because as far as i know, they don't know it exists

[calm snow]

I hope we get to see the uesc ship

[latent python]

For doing such a great job

[hushed spear]

we will

[distant cedar]

same

[hushed spear]

it's literally cryo archive

[calm snow]

Maybe not board it but I wanna just see its design

[hushed spear]

it's in the skybox

pretty fuckin big honestly

[calm snow]

No the equinimity

[ocean comet]

Has anyone gotten into the crashed UESC dropship on Outpost near the outskirts of Flight Control? It's got the same red shield that the Destroyed Wing has, I wonder if there's any significance there

[hushed spear]

ahhh

[calm snow]

Of course I know we’ll see the marathon

[hushed spear]

yeah that would be cool to see the UESC Equanimity if it arrives

[calm snow]

We’ve seen like 7 different versions of the marathon at this point

[calm snow]

It hasn’t even arrived yet????

[distant cedar]

Please Bungie give us a glorious shot of its final decel burn into TCIVs orbit

[latent python]

Next year (in game)

[hushed spear]

nothing's mentioned it arriving yet

[calm snow]

Ohhh

Wait so how are the uesc bots already here?

[distant cedar]

Yes
Arrives in 2894

No FTL remember

Also it doesnt carry the bots

[hushed spear]

i think they had FTL drives

the bots

[latent python]

I think there was another UESC (or corpo) ship that arrived in between Marathon and Equanimity

[hushed spear]

that's why they can send so many

[distant cedar]

those used FTL and were sent as an advanced corp

They are under command of the equanimity now but they were sent to aid them not by them

[calm snow]

I thought humans had no FTL ships only communication

[distant cedar]

No human viable FTL it turns out

And even that is recent tech

[hushed spear]

it was only the UESC Equanimity that was sent for Project Goliath

[calm snow]

Ah so transporting cargo can be done with FTL?

[distant cedar]

Yes

[latent python]

Data for sure, cargo...maybe

[distant cedar]

All weve got is digitised conciousnesses and biomata shell printers

[calm snow]

Where is this said?

[hushed spear]

that's why we were able to establish comms with the earth corportions instantly

[distant cedar]

which means if orion came with the bots hes a runner no doubt

[hushed spear]

i hope we get a codex tab properly explaining what he is

because he doesn't look like your ordinary runner

[distant cedar]

Well yeah he isnt

[hushed spear]

that's a custom shell

[distant cedar]

^

[hushed spear]

like CUSTOM custom

[latent python]

Charter also doesn't look like a normal shell

[calm snow]

Orion looks sick tho ngl

[distant cedar]

The UESC can afford that stuff

[hushed spear]

100 millions dollars custom

[distant cedar]

unlike us mercs

[latent python]

So Orion and Charter are either in custom shells or they have cool cyberspace avatars

Or both

[hushed spear]

and the mass printed shells are going billions of dollars worth of damage

[distant cedar]

Mainly conjecture so far but it is confirmed that the equanimity has not fully arrived yet and only carried battleroids, not the ARS

[hushed spear]

no they're both crazy ass custom shells

[calm snow]

Ars?

[hushed spear]

oni mentions that charter used to be a runner that killed a Traxus VIP then dipped

[distant cedar]

Autonomous robotic soldiers or whatever the shorthand in the codex is

[hushed spear]

then started Arachne out of nowhere

[calm snow]

Oooh

[latent python]

Yeah but we don't know that the way Charter appears to us is also his shell

[calm snow]

I wonder if Arachne has any connections to modern day religions

They kinda do have a cross with the knifes charter holds but uhhh that’s it

[latent python]

I think it's more likely that the Arachne pattern is supposed to be a crochet hook

[distant cedar]

As in

[calm snow]

Perhaps

[distant cedar]

alluding to the way shells are woven?

[latent python]

Well so Arachne the mythological character was the one who challenged a goddess to a weaving contest

And got turned into a spider for winning

[distant cedar]

Oh damn

im stupid and youre right

[latent python]

So Arachne imagery includes a lot of webs, strings, puppetry, cloth

[distant cedar]

God that just implies all of the factions with greek/roman mythology names have probably meanings tied to that

Fitting in hindsight that the Traxus AI is called Vulcan then

after the god of craftsmanship (and if you stretch the definition-) industry

[latent python]

Industry, yes

I don't quite get the smoke lion, I'm working on it

[past rampart]

Classic marathon with or without arch

[distant cedar]

Ive been told its probably a countermeasure to rampancy?
Prevent what happened to uh
Traxus IV or whatever the station/AI was named

[latent python]

Yeah there are codex entries that say modern AI are supposed to be rampancy free

[distant cedar]

Yeah

We'll see about that

no doubt

[latent python]

Nothing can go wrong

[distant cedar]

Isnt it also hinted at that there might be a new form of rampancy

More varied and tbh interesting

[latent python]

Darius, the old colony AI, was experiencing weird breaks from reality that didn't align with normal rampancy problems

[distant cedar]

I havent delved to deep into the og games but the rampancy concept always seemed a tad shallow to me ngl both in Halo and so far also og marathon

[distant cedar]

Yeah that

But then again given its colony AI

Anomaly

[latent python]

But I think that's because Darius was being affected by the informatic "novel contagion" and/or anomaly

[distant cedar]

[distant cedar]

Yup

[latent python]

I might agree with you except that it's kind of bonkers that bungo invented this concept for a 1994 fps

[distant cedar]

true ig
Plus i havent even met Durandal in the game yet

I just find the decriptions ive read of the concept so far limiting

[latent python]

Like now it's become a standard trope because they've used it so much but holy cow it's foundational to the genre at this point

[distant cedar]

Fair point!

The Tolkien dilemma strikes again ig

[latent python]

Yeah it feels like getting annoyed at the three laws of robotics in I Robot

And anyway I'm glad that at this point in Marathon lore someone has done something about rampancy so it isn't what this story is about, again

[distant cedar]

Yu

[latent python]

It's just part of the history everyone lives in

You're all a little bit worried but not too worried

And of course the ones who already went rampant might (definitely are) still out there

[distant cedar]

Plus im still missing the most important part of the equation which is like
Still Durandals character id wager

[latent python]

Durandal is very key to the OG trilogy

[distant cedar]

Still in M1 so far but man its peak

Ngl the description of rampancy we are given does in fact not read like something youd think doesnt accurately describes rampancy at all cus its just the human observation of it

Not much more than a theory with any proof with only a few precedence cases

[terse wren]

Ughhhhhh

I envy you so much

Experiencing that for the first time

Wait is that a stage of rampancy

[latent python]

I like it better as a description of behaviors than as emotions. Like, we anthropomorphized them as emotions but truly the three stages are behavioral

[distant cedar]

And im glad in that regard that we are most certainly going to see a more in depth and less formulaic look of how AIs go rampant or
whatever it is that is happening to darius and might happen to our corpo handlers if we are lucky
(and ofc researchers in universe tackling it with stuff like "stable rampancy")

[violet shell]

Is their a vc for new players to play together?

[latent python]

Like, melancholia comes across to humans as sadness but technically it's just the stage when AI are recognizing their limitations

At least that's how I interpret it

[distant cedar]

hm
ig so

[strange nova]

I'm like 95% sure that all the people and AI on Earth look WILDLY different from runners, UESC and anything we've seen on tc4. The reason everything on-planet looks so weird is cause all buildings are prefabs, and everything human-sized is 3D printed. They'd have sophisticated designs and manufacturing back home on Earth

They actually look like that cause they have the money to be like "make me look like this"

[latent python]

Right, but Charter is a runner

[strange nova]

Wait, who is Charter again lmao

[latent python]

The Arachne contact

[strange nova]

Earth runners probably have better printers + more resources to mess with, then. Sekgen still makes all shells, right?

[latent python]

No, like, I'm pretty sure Charter is a TCIV runner

[strange nova]

Well then I'd just guess since arachne has so much money they can just afford to print crazy ass shells

We're heavily in debt, so we only get the dookie mass produced models

[latent python]

Yeah definitely possible

[past rampart]

Has Arachne ever appeared in a classic marathon?

[digital plaza]

He was runner in the past, now he's just aura farming

[latent python]

I was just saying that the way Charter appears to us isn't necessarily his actual shell, we don't know

[wise sparrow]

nah it's numarathon exclusive

[past rampart]

The design of the interesting logo is very similar to Islam

[strange nova]

I forgot who Charter was cause that name gives similar vibes to naming someone "Charlie", like oh he's just a widdle guy 🥺 that's the vibe of the name to me idk Iol

[latent python]

Just a widdle guy with a widdle death cult

[distant cedar]

Most Shells are still mass manufactured though?
But yes there definetly exist custom ones for those with the wealth or prestige

[strange nova]

Just a widdle

[past rampart]

Arachne seeks new truth. Death and slaughter, as crucial mysteries of human evolution, now death is no longer the end. Through the reproduction of the flesh, we shall transcend.

[subtle oracle]

the decoded puzzle being the password to arg step 2 is

so funny

we were trying to decode it while it was just there

[distant cedar]

Watching the cinematic rn and

i find it quite interesting

cus the original game date of 2850 is still there

[fierce mountain]

where do we get a dac to upload at?

[jagged rose]

Dumb theory: What if the Jjaro and the Nine, of Destiny 2 fame, are cut from the same kind of cloth? These latest entries out of the Cryo ARG really like to focus on the hollowing of Deimos for the creation of the Marathon

[past rampart]

Luxury Item
$1,100

B. Strauss, On Artificial Intelligence

Item: Will be automatically sold for credits after evacuation

Considered an authoritative work on artificial intelligence from the 2700s.

[ ] Drop

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[jagged rose]

I love this line of items, because it's basically Strauss calling LLMs fake and lame for the first few portions

[past rampart]

It turns out that only a few hundred years have passed since the present day，I thought the marathon world would be thousands of years from now

The development of science and technology is somewhat fast and somewhat slow

[fierce mountain]

anyone know where I can find a dac? website says I can upload one

[past rampart]

The speed of light was not invented

[hushed spear]

#leaderboard

[past rampart]

me too

[latent python]

Unless the jjaro??

[past rampart]

I want to see more plots

But most of them are just fragments of the plot

[past rampart]

Is that?

What is that

[latent python]

Lol just a joke that the jjaro, the super aliens of the setting, could have messed with physics

[past rampart]

So it is

There should be props called artifacts

I hope it can be put into the game soon

Sacred Instruments

When I saw the trailer two years ago, I thought we were going to fight in a hyperstructure building or a superstructure similar to the knights of Sidenia

But although there are none, the UESC colonial ship can be seen to be built on an asteroid similar to the ship of the Knight of Sidenia

[latent python]

It's made out of Deimos

[past rampart]

Interesting

[latent python]

And Cryo Archives will be there

[hollow totem]

Hey why is Durandal on TCIV anyway? Isn't he a Marathon custodial AI??

Unless we're just getting transmissions maybe

[latent python]

Uhhh well Durandal busted himself loose

[dreamy hawk]

Deimos was an asteroid if it was captured and not formed by accretion. Technically. 😂

[hollow totem]

Dont forget The Nine of Myth fame as well

[dreamy hawk]

https://mythipedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Nine

[latent python]

Durandal called an alien race to attack the colony and then escaped onto their ship, with the help of a suspiciously competent security officer

[green plume]

Is durandal even durandal anymore if them and thoth merged?

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t think we know. Timeline wise it should be the new combo AI, but dialogue wise I swear it’s just Durandal.

[hollow totem]

Durandal-Thoth seemed like a new consciousness or "being", but yeah this doesnt read like that beings voice

[west totem]

is Durandal the AI that like wiped out humanity in the old games?

[hollow totem]

Ehhh no

[green plume]

In infinity wasn't the "AI" with the infinty symbol them merged and it spoke in weird ways like durandal as well

[dreamy hawk]

Yes.

[west totem]

also is this games jsut a reset of Marathon lore as a whole? or are the old games cannon

[hollow totem]

We dont know

[latent python]

Durandal would never wipe out humanity! Only aliens

[warm thicket]

It's funni cause Xur's voice is also Strauss's

[dreamy hawk]

Half poet, half ass.

[hollow totem]

Durandal didnt genocide humanity, he even helped prepare them for the Pfhor, but he didnt like them either

[dreamy hawk]

Humans are too comfortable to manipulate.

[west totem]

I remember there being an AI that like became a god and killed everything

[dreamy hawk]

I think you might be conflating some different narrative bits.

[west totem]

it's been a few years since i've played the onld games tbh

[dreamy hawk]

Tycho gets assimilated and does help the P’fhor, Durandal/Thoth do presumably escape the timeline, but no one specifically sets out to destroy humanity (except the P’fhor, but that’s not enslavement) unless I’ve forgotten.

[dreamy hawk]

It’s been more than a decade for me so my deck isn’t exactly full, either.

[west totem]

real i was like 13 when i finaly got it to run on my old laptop lol

and that was 13 years ago!

[latent python]

Oh unless you're talking about the SO who definitely ascends into...something

But doesn't kill humanity either

[west totem]

i sware there was something trying to kill humanity out right

[dreamy hawk]

I wish I was 13 13 years ago 😭

[past rampart]

So where is the body of the runner? Is it on a spaceship?

[west totem]

i meant 15 thats my bad

[restive knoll]

Infinity's beginning/endscreen involves the universe ending so the confusion is understandable

[dreamy hawk]

The Wrkncancter which I refuse how to remember how to spell?

[west totem]

maybe?

genuinly i dont remember

i just know that in infanity most humans where dead-

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah. That checks out. A few universes did technically end.

Well. Probably more than a few.

[west totem]

most?

most sounds about right tbh

[latent python]

Yeah the universe blows up a couple times but it's nothing personal

[dreamy hawk]

Should have frog blasted the vent core. 🤷

[west totem]

on gawd

[latent python]

Have you tried frog blasting the vent core off and back on again

[past rampart]

Has anyone summarized the history of the marathon in the text version？

[hollow ridge]

What the hell does "deny light x3" "begin the harvest" and "permit no trespass" even mean that shits weirddddd, and more importantly is "an aggressive creature of memory" a compiler?

[restive knoll]

Its okay nobody, the Pfor included, was having a great time in those universes anyways

do you think having your very being peeled away by a malevolent eldritch entity and reduced to a screaming husk hurts at all

[hollow ridge]

For you, sure

Im built different

[latent python]

Me and the entity are pals

[hollow ridge]

Yeah we frog blast the vent core every Friday

[restive knoll]

the star-being would NEVER devour my essence

[hollow ridge]

I wonder what human psyche tastes like

Besides iron and the static pulse of your firing synapses

[past rampart]

[hollow ridge]

Cant be worse than the nucal liquid psilocybin shit burger

[latent python]

For some reason I expect Nona knows

[hollow ridge]

She probably does

[latent python]

ONI probably doesnt

All that access to human psyche and hasn't even tasted one

[restive knoll]

the uesc robots might know, judging from their chest-mounted crazy straws

[latent python]

Oh yeah what are they doing with those

[manic tiger]

So why did i just get a free emblem for game from Null//Transmitter

Called 2XDCB

[latent python]

Okay new theoru

The UESC robots were given straws because the designers wanted them to be able to enjoy drinkable burgers too

[hollow ridge]

What i wanna know is why those circular drones got em. Theyre drones.

[latent python]

Look drinkable burgers are for everyone

[hollow ridge]

Me and the boys at 3am feeding my drones the essence of the human psyche

[latent python]

It's w'rkncacnterrific

[worldly hawk]

Is it actually human psyche? Or are we ourselves AI at this point? Just constantly being recompiled whenever we die thus staving off Rampancy.

[latent python]

Ha ha don't worry about it

You're human

ONI told me

[worldly hawk]

Yeah? An AI that has hidden motives that require you to keep dying over and over again each time drifting further and further away from the original pattern/you? I dont think we can trust anything any faction or AI says

[hollow ridge]

That sounds like melancholia... careful now, dont want rampancy

[worldly hawk]

Escape will make me God.

Lol real talk that's such a good thing to point out though. Do runners live long enough to think these things? Even when we extract what happens to us?

[hollow ridge]

Good point tho

Like, do digital consciousness' experience rampancy if theyre human or no

[worldly hawk]

Who's to say we aren't actually AIs being fed lies to keep us from going rampant

[normal tulip]

when we extract our consciousness is uploaded and our body likely is disintegrated

it's unlikely we're AI considering the grounding technique done every time we drop as shown in the cinematic

the tag line escape will make me god likely references samsara and nirvana

[worldly hawk]

The grounding technique imo is just as sus especially when you look at it through the lens of how they talked about controlling the colony AIs

[dreamy hawk]

The SO arguably experienced rampancy, so it’s not unheard of for non-AI.

[normal tulip]

i think the runners die so many times the grounding technique is required lol, i don't think they're AI in the slightest

[worldly hawk]

And that could very well be the case

Regardless of whatever it is. Im in love with the lore

[pliant elm]

This has to be the most weak ass story to a continuation that some Bungie employee had to quickly put up together that literally makes no sense to the previous story.

[normal tulip]

???

[dreamy hawk]

My money is on the runners still being human, but I can’t discredit the theory that their some take on AI.

[regal lance]

I am so confused on what UESC troops are

[normal tulip]

i think if it in the same lens as like waking up in a body that isn't yours like exos in d2, how they need to get reset every time but i'm guessing the runner shells are more of a soft-reset since it's biosynthetic bodies

[regal lance]

Are they like runners?

[jagged rose]

Thoth, yeah. That's a S'pht AI

[normal tulip]

they're runner shells

[dreamy hawk]

Robots.

[regal lance]

Are they autonomous robots?

[normal tulip]

no

[dreamy hawk]

Yes.

[normal tulip]

they are runner shells

[dreamy hawk]

No?

[normal tulip]

no

[regal lance]

ROOK can be taken over by a Runner

[normal tulip]

nono

[regal lance]

Which implies the rest can as well

[normal tulip]

the UESC troops

they are UESC runner shells

not necessarily produced by sekeguchi

[dreamy hawk]

But theres no runners in them. And we know shells need runners to function.

[normal tulip]

there are runners in them

[dreamy hawk]

The commander is a runner, but im pretty confident the rest are bots.

Do you have a codex entry?

[pliant elm]

The more I progress through the codex's the more I start realizing either nobody in Bungie actually understands the story.

[normal tulip]

oh i thought u meant all of them were robots

mb

i think a scant few are shells

the rest being robots

[worldly hawk]

I think that's only because you're only seeing part of the story

[jagged rose]

Not quite. As Nona would point out, the main difference between the UESC and runners is the organic material present in runner shells. Additionally, most of the UESC are controlled by Cerberus, an experimental (and deadly) AI.

[normal tulip]

yo me when i haven't seen the full story yet

[dreamy hawk]

Oh gotcha. My bad. Yeah. Most are robots, but they also have at least a runner.

[worldly hawk]

Specifically the only parts available to us right now

[normal tulip]

i see
i'm pretty sure there are runners in some of them cus i remember one of the cinematics having like something related

[normal tulip]

mhm yeah

tho i do wonder why the UESC doesn't send down real runners

[jagged rose]

Do keep in mind that the initial reveal trailer was under a different lead, and is mostly un-canon as a result.

[dreamy hawk]

Someone was also pointing out, yesterday, that rook has dialogue lines about how that body doesn’t feel/handle right.

[lavish palm]

no

[pliant elm]

What part of the story lol, the story makes absolutely no sense what so ever. There's zero reason for us to be in Tau Ceti and even less reason to even be S'pht Compilers even alive - let alone a S'pht Compiler "boss". Compilers are as weak as it can get in Marathon - they're just there to add numbers to Pfhor army.

[normal tulip]

not talkin bout the reveal trailer

[normal tulip]

we've mulled this over let's move onto a diff convo

[dreamy hawk]

I would not describe them as “weak as it can get” by any stretch, really.

[pliant elm]

You'd have to retcon the entire M2 game in order to be able to even put this together.

[normal tulip]

is this ragebait or is this just bad reading comprehension

[dreamy hawk]

Infinity did retcon most of M2, also.

[worldly hawk]

Compilers are weak to a Battleroid who are based in Jjaro tech

We are no where close to the level of power that a battleroid brings

[pliant elm]

A compiler is literally just a S'pht with a plasma thrower, you can literally kill one with 3 or 4 shots.

[lavish palm]

arent they stronger than phor guards significantly

[pliant elm]

No?

[dreamy hawk]

As a roided out cyborg, sure.

[normal tulip]

[lavish palm]

yes? otherwise they would be 1-2 shots

they are kinda tanky

[dreamy hawk]

The compilers aren’t as strong as say, hunters, but they’re not basic cannon fodder, either.

[pliant elm]

What roided out Cyborg? Does he do more damage by pulling the trigger harder? Like are you for real.

With Magnums of 80+ years ago.

[lavish palm]

yes

he has better weapons and hits harder did you play the game

[dreamy hawk]

Did you play the original games?

[restive knoll]

There's certainly something different happening this time around, the disasters at the colony make that clear

as for the compilers please keep in mind we're roughly as good as vac-bobs here

[pliant elm]

Even BoB's kill compilers in 4 or 5 shots.

[lavish palm]

4 or 5 is a lot in og marathon dude

[pliant elm]

WHAT compilers? LOL

Why would there even be compilers alive lmao.

[normal tulip]

vac-bob?

[jagged rose]

Because they got liberated?

[dreamy hawk]

I mean. Isn’t that what we’re finding out?

[pliant elm]

Compilers would throw a party by seeing humans in Tau Ceti lol

[dreamy hawk]

Or are you hoping to have the entire story spoon fed at the start of everything?

[normal tulip]

runner shells aren't exactly friendly dawg

and besides tau ceti's a dead colony isn't it

that's why we're down here

[pliant elm]

And why are you even in Tau Ceti the first place, to figure out what when Robert Blake went back to Earth.

[normal tulip]

the story's show us happened to tau ceti

[pliant elm]

WHY LOL

[lavish palm]

regardless thats not even their main function, they hacked the marathon and then get more powers after being released from phor control

[jagged rose]

Keep in mind that they really only answered to a different AI. They are fascinating, because they never fully acquired free will

[lavish palm]

why do u have beef with compilers

[pliant elm]

Blake literally has a Pfhor ship with S'pht'kr AI technology, like are people mental

[restive knoll]

we're not sure on Blake's status this time around, or if he even exists in this narrative

[jagged rose]

Blake is probably mega dead, owing to his mortal status.

[pliant elm]

You would know exactly what happen in TC4 a few years afer M2 lol

[normal tulip]

we're on tau ceti cus we work for corpos that want material and the secrets on tau ceti

this game might not even be a direct continuation of the last marathon game

lol

[restive knoll]

Finding out where he is would be a good start to figuring out what's different from the trilogy

[dreamy hawk]

Again, infinity rewrote a lot of M2. Not everything is as certain as you’re making it out to be.

[normal tulip]

there's a ton of stuff up in the air

[lavish palm]

youre taking the story too face-value. none of the narrators are reliable

[dreamy hawk]

Hell, very few things in the OG games are even explicit “this is what literally happened.”

[lunar cove]

The problem with trying to fit Marathon 2026 into the prior Marathon timeline is, which timeline? Or how many? A possible retcon is barely a problem

[pliant elm]

Why wouldn't he exist LOL, whole Pfhor was eliminated, there's even M2 timeline down centuries after

Even pfhor homeworld is gone

[lavish palm]

every single phor?

every single one died

[pliant elm]

Whatever the remaining fleet

[lavish palm]

we see 1 compiler

dork

[jagged rose]

We already know, owing to some bits of collectable lore bits, that something happened on the Marathon that the Colony survived. We still don't fully know the year most of the colony fell.

[lavish palm]

you mean the special forced fleet?

[restive knoll]

Things are very different than what occured in the OG games, the biggest things being the Marathon showing back up and the colony not being a crater

[lavish palm]

like the ONE special forced phor fleet that was destroyed?

[pliant elm]

Why is there even compiler. Compiler is just there because Jessica from Accounting thought it "looked cool" the same way that agents are called "runners" because the name is called "Marathon"

[green plume]

I thought it was way older than both the spht and phor?

[pliant elm]

There's literally zero reason for compilers to be walking around in TC lol

[worldly hawk]

But they aren't walking around

[lavish palm]

have you played any of the damn games? you literally run the ENTIRE TIME

[dreamy hawk]

I think you just want to be unhappy with the lore. There’s not enough information to have feelings this strong yet.

[worldly hawk]

We've only seen 1

[lavish palm]

ur baiting for sure

[lunar cove]

We should email Bill Clinton and ask him if the Jjaro explained any of this when they talked to him in 1994

[woeful pelican]

yea let fox bate themselves -.-

[worldly hawk]

Excellent idea

[dreamy hawk]

We need a hearing!

[jagged rose]

"I would prefer if there wasn't anything that tied the old and new games together, actually."
Hyperbole, but I did think it's funny.

[lavish palm]

i wanna bait too

[lunar cove]

Wait hang on they're called Runners because it's a Marathon, that's genius

[green plume]

He'd probably answer the same way as when he testified before congress...

[woeful pelican]

corrected spelling sending me

[pliant elm]

Wtf does Runner have to do with Marathon lol. It's just called Runner because some bungie low thought it would be a fun name to go with "It's a Marathon.

You played with a security officer.

[woeful pelican]

are you describing story writing?

[pliant elm]

Garbage story writting.

[sage lark]

fox baiting again here we go

[lavish palm]

they run around bro

[pliant elm]

"Oh look, they used to have these cloaked flying guys. Let's make it a raid boss."

[woeful pelican]

you get your dopamine for the day yet?

[dreamy hawk]

OK. Blocked. This raving isn’t productive.

[pliant elm]

When your raid boss is a literal minion.

[woeful pelican]

fr bye lol

[lavish palm]

u want them called prancers or jumpers or maybe frolickers or sum?

whats up w that

[restive knoll]

but yeah we don't know why there's sphit here, its a mystery - is that compiler a leftover from the invasion still loyal to the Pfor? is it part of Durandal's crew?

Hell we're not even sure if Durandal freed the compilers this time around - signs are pointing to Durandal taking the Marathon and not turning a pfor ship into the Boomer

[jagged rose]

I'm not entirely sure. There is a solid chance that Thoth was there for the raising of the Flckta