🗣marathon-general-chat

[leaden birch]

1.) that was ME
2.) i compared the fact that people USED TO DO BAD THINGS but it was legal/supported, it doesn't mean it was RIGHT
that was the same for how people treat each other in this discord, they say mean things, gatekeep, try to get people to QUIT THE GAME

just because there isn't a "rule" against it, or that it's "legal" in bungie's eyes, doesn't mean it's the RIGHT thing to do
I never compared "myself" to civil rights
that story keeps getting retold improperly every time i hear it

[ruby cedar]

PvEbrains do not understand the nuance. Save your breath

[brave marten]

thats a shame

[fallen echo]

yeah cause game as is was SOOOOOOO popular u right

mf's need to sit down and understand basic principles of how money works istg

[rapid tide]

Speak english damn you

[wintry lark]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[glacial bane]

and you and your crystal ball have decided there are no replayable content in marathon if it gets a pve mode

[nova walrus]

having a super tough PvE mode I can gear up in to give myself a fighting chance in sweaty ass cryo doesn't sound terrible

[cold stump]

the entire map was designed around pvp spawns with the clearance dictating your rotations, many noisemakers and several flank routes, the vault opening sound queues, the cover placement, no pvp removes all tension and dilutes the accomplishment of the map

[quasi sonnet]

I want more pve content like compiler with PvP still being the main part

[leaden birch]

you get a pass

I love that series, and especially UBW
good form

[glad cypress]

Yea the identity to me is the marathon lore not the extraction part

They just have to make the other modes punishing too and it’s fine (even if that only means death and losing time not gear)

[languid veldt]

Bruh ain’t no way 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[tepid thorn]

if the whole thing is just being popular Marathon should just become fortnite then.
braindead argument jesus fuck go read a book

[radiant nimbus]

as a big fan of pve....yeah that sounds like some dumb shit a pve player would say 😭

[wintry lark]

PvE players are like MLK

[rapid tide]

Sorry its not recon thief yuri bro

[sand rampart]

funny you'd mention fortnite because save the world was COMPLETELY ABANDONED. do you think that the existing playerbase there was happy with them dropping it in favor of BR?

[twin steppe]

OBVIOUSLY. but if it succeeds then it becomes a permanent queue, they have TOLD you this already, read the TWIB, all their experimental queues have a chance to become a permanent thing, if they are recieved well by the community

[woven stump]

Only comment I will really make about a pve only mode is that when tarkov added it 90% of players moved to it and it made the original mode very sweaty

[brave marten]

i aint into that g oo ner shit lmao

[fringe halo]

i genuinely think that most or half of the player base js dont gaf abt the lore

[golden viper]

If it’s not an extraction shooter, then it’s just another shooter

Also, PvE should not have its own mode. Whether a match devolves into a PvE harmony or PvP chaos should be up to the players. Not knowing if players are friendlies is what would add to tension.

Marathons problems are that it was always sweaty PvP fest and not enough incentives for friendlies

PvP mode is wrong direction. It should be something organic or at least use aggression based match making like Arc

I want to be on the edge of my seat when I see a another player

[haughty pumice]

By nature pve is less repayable, because it's the same thing, with PvP the difficulty scales with the lobby which is different everytime, it's why no game will ever have more players than something like csgo which is different every match

[humble depot]

if you really think about it, THIS game abandoned the identity and FAILED

[languid veldt]

Literally 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[dire violet]

They dont care. Some pve players would complain that there are npc enemies. They want to push w and collect that sweet sweet loot

[fallen echo]

I mean in theory... Fortnite did end up becoming the popular thing everyone was playing because it did something completely different to what it was before...

[leaden birch]

i can very easily kill the compiler, i just refused to get carried

i'm going to do it legit and get my Sub 6 first, my husband already has the skin and has offered to "carry" me many times, i'm not going to take the easy way out

Unlike some people who come into this discord just to trash me

[glacial bane]

pvp isnt going away. why do you worry about pve

[twin steppe]

for example, DUOs queue is making a comeback as a permanent, rotating queue in season 2

[toxic knot]

Where are people finding their Cryo 5/6 keys most often? Purple key rooms or Redroom pinwheel?

[wintry lark]

And if it flops? Will you be able to accept that

[rapid tide]

Quit judgin wholesome content

[void gorge]

Nerf Controller

[balmy cradle]

Hi guys, I have a question regarding s2 announcements. DId they mention performance issues at least once?

[inland quail]

Make pve mode with 0 loot 🙈

[quasi sonnet]

I had one dude struggling against grey ai pve would be perfect for a lot of people

[fringe halo]

wardens and 6 is lockdowns for me

[humble depot]

PvP players were comparing this with the holocaust btw

[odd nova]

Tarkov was already sweaty as fuck, pve mode lets you play the game without sweat

[languid veldt]

I give this game 2-3 more weeks

Might plateau but not looking like it

[glad cypress]

Forsure most sweats don’t

I like to say I’m as much of a casual as I am a sweat so Ts perfect for me as is

[nova walrus]

you don't crew with your husband?

[brave marten]

i guess people collect calvin and hobbs. same thing

[wintry lark]

They’re dumb as fuck then lmao

[grim galleon]

Variety is good.

[tepid thorn]

imagine playing a version of marathon where firing your gun isnt something where you should even consider because it will atract other people in your direction?

[inland quail]

05 key drops from tox warden with pretty high chance.
06 is rare

[fringe halo]

i woldnt even be angry at this id js do pve for complier skin and call it a and come back to the pvevp

[haughty pumice]

I'm not worried about it, I'm just saying no one is gonna play it long terms

[ruby cedar]

every band should sound like coldplay and imagine dragons because they are successful, yum yum lap up the slop mmm

[fallen echo]

rare W comment from u

[languid veldt]

They wanna be a victim so bad 🤣

[sand rampart]

obvious troll is only made more obvious by telling lies 😂

[wintry lark]

Lmao both are as bad as eachother

[rapid tide]

In my defense there really arent a lot of jeff comics, only been around since 2019

[glad cypress]

Wdym

[glacial bane]

ok so people go back to pvp, you win i guess? what seems to be the problem here

[odd nova]

So, the regular game as is

[haughty pumice]

Do it legit? What does that even mean

[tepid thorn]

go play that then

[inland quail]

You can do it in pvpve too!

Hope I'll get all subroutines this season so I can carry people to compiler

[radiant nimbus]

yall love "variety" until people tell you to play a variety of different games instead of trying to make every game the same

[shadow hawk]

You have my sympathies. But you have pointed out exactly the reason Americans and Europeans changed the recipe so you could still make them and they evolved into nachos. Mexican sauce. Or what some people may call. Pico de gallo. there’s nothing but salsa in a jar. Except they had to substitute the cilantro with green pepper. Because you cannot put cilantro in a container after it’s been cut. You need to eat it immediately if we break the leaf. But you can make it with normal red tomatoes. That’s why there’s green sauce and there’s red sauce. For red tomatoes. Get yourself four large tomatoes. One Serrano chilli one jalapeño chilli. And one clove of garlic. In a pan, sauté the garlic. Add your tomatoes to it until the skin starts to break on the tomatoes and they’re cooked. Throw all of the ingredients into a blender. You’re gonna add a quarter of a red onion, a quarter of a white onion. To the blender and then purée. Stick that sauce back into the pan. And heat it until it starts to summer. Add normal tortilla tips from any convenience store plain flavored. Costco has giant bags of them. Add your tortilla chips to the sauce let it soak up the sauce put it in a bowl add a little cream sprinkle some onions and your chicken and or egg and enjoy.

[twin steppe]

why are you so pressed about defending your little pvp fantasy? rather than just enjoying both? let people enjoy their pvp-enabled mode (which is what marathon is rn) let people enjoy their pvp-disabled mode (pve only) let people enjoy their pvp focused mode when it comes out

[dire violet]

What funny a lot of people think pvp with zero loot is somehow valid lol. Saw this argument hundreds of time

[brave marten]

k

[digital crescent]

so wats the non legit way of completing compiler???

[humble depot]

marathon was a single player FPS trilogy, right? so if you see that a marathon game is coming out, what would you think?

[rapid tide]

Bro wrote a whole book about mexican food

[odd nova]

No thanks

[obsidian marten]

Thank you @heady pulsar and @narrow shore for the runs yesterday. First compiler run completed✅ thanks to you guys!

[grim galleon]

I want to play this game though. With different game modes.

[wintry lark]

I don’t argue with the delusional

[fallen echo]

if we're going by that logic neither do PvPbrains

[olive oracle]

Hell yeah

[glad cypress]

I think the pve mode might reward stuff like heals and ammo to use for raids but I can’t imagine much else

I’d hope if they give u gear for it, it’s for a seperate pve only stash

[fringe halo]

hit me up when u do cuz i genuinely cant play this game anymore rn

[golden viper]

It did PvPvE really badly. Every game devolved into PvP. No moments where you encounter a friendly. No good PvP enemies

[rapid tide]

Misery loves company pal

[twin steppe]

marathon is a PVE game, with a PVP-Enabled environment.

[brave marten]

sure, boy

[heady pulsar]

Yessir I’m running again today after work I’ll be on around 6p

[leaden birch]

he works first shift and i work third shift in 2 different counties, we can only play together when we both have the same day off, and rarely does that also happen on CRYO days

that's why i'm getting it during the 10 day stretch, we have 2 days off in a row together to get my Sub 6 and Compiler

[humble depot]

god forbid we have additional ways to play the game we like

[oak quail]

I wonder if Bungie thinks adding PvE will make less players leave or bring more players. Reading the reasons ppl want a PvE mode is bizarre, Bungie is catering to people who do not like this genre of game.

[glacial bane]

tru....

[shadow hawk]

Someone asked me about a recipe, so I’m being helpful. Be happy to give you a recipe for any Mexican food you would like as well.

[haughty pumice]

The maps and balance all designed around PvP, the only pve in the game is a 10 second boss fight🫵🏾😂

[inland quail]

I made red salsa more than once, but as I can't get fresh jalapenos or serranos I substituted them for bird's eye and bell pepper

[radiant nimbus]

no you don't, you want to play a different game but you're incapable of not willingly shackling yourself to a forever game

[tepid thorn]

go play arc raiders, chud

[rapid tide]

Good tacos please

[quasi sonnet]

Rooks

[glad cypress]

Hopefully I can say this tonight 🔥

[brave marten]

he goes to another school, you guys dont know him!

[eager elk]

Pvpers acting like they won't still get to pvp 🤣

[glacial bane]

pvp crowd should THANK the pve crowd honestly. have they THANKED US YET?!

[grim galleon]

I do. I want to play Marathon.

[fallen echo]

true, I could really see how they were making such good progress for all 12 of the people who play the current game

[rapid tide]

You own a mirror right?

[twin steppe]

maps are designed to make pvp VIABLE, not designed to purely balance around pvp

[golden viper]

Sure, I won’t play marathon then. Don’t complain about the player numbers low then.

[brave marten]

why are you still talking to me?

[oak quail]

do you want to play a multiplayer extraction shooter though?

[rapid tide]

Could ask you the same.

[humble depot]

ughhh this chat is bringing out the worst in people and it wasn't like it was all do-gooders here before

[leaden birch]

some people grab their DNA card and get streamers with all SUBS to just carry them to the docking bay (comp treasure room)

i am going to get all 6 subs myself (all 6 key rooms) and THEN i'm taking my DNA card to the compiler (vault 7) and getting my skin

No shortcuts for me

[grim galleon]

Yes. But I also want to play a PVE coop extraction shooter too. Variety is good.

[fringe halo]

u cant really say this with all the lore and other stuff they definitely put a good amount of thought with its pve tune down the pve its just gnna be cod with really heavy aim assist for everyobdy lol

[golden viper]

Arc has higher player numbers 🤷🏻‍♂️ sometimes I want a some social deduction in my game

[radiant nimbus]

don't lie, the people in this server are evil af

[twin steppe]

the entire UESC design is proof of it being PVE, as is the Compiler... also is Compiler really a 10 second boss fight?

[ruby cedar]

there is no pvp crowd or pve crowd

[limber rain]

Some people are insufferable, and I don’t care that much, but the more realistic concerns I see are for the loot economy, skill floors if a chunk of the playerbase shifts to PvE and doesn’t look back (some are laughing at people for it, but it’s a fairly reasonable concern I feel), and the potential that Bungie increasingly pivots away from PvP for PvE content (which they have a history of doing anyway). I don’t blame people for feeling frustrated when the game they purchased was seemingly advertised as PvP-centric, though I also think people are jumping the gun a little.

[rapid tide]

Lmao when this chat been arguing since the game dropped, before the game dropped it was really chill tho

[wintry lark]

Imagine larping as your own husband tho

[glad cypress]

My trio will get our skins out the damn mud if we have to 🔥

[digital crescent]

gee golly i sure do love those vents and maze like endgame maps! thats for sure! and sniper bots along with 5 different commanders in one spot all of them being wraiths!!

[leaden birch]

having streamers raffle you into a carry-run using your DNA card and their SUBROUTINES

[zealous venture]

Don't let it ruin your steez man. They're miserable people, no need to let it bring yourself down. Laugh at it, remind yourself that you're lucky to not be them and go about your day.

[humble depot]

that's what i'm saying lol, bad has become worse

[golden viper]

Perimeter was crap map

[shadow hawk]

That’s fine, but what meat would you like? We have beef we have steak. We have chicken. We have lamb. We have tripe we have tongue and of course, head tacos my personal favourite campechano tacos. ( Steak and pork sausage together) Head tacos that are made with all the skin and muscles from the head of the animal.

[haughty pumice]

I have done 50 compiler fights now, and each kill is around 10-15 seconds top with ZERO MECHANICs just standing still shooting gold bully ....

[rapid tide]

Kay you hype about PVE in S2?

[kind gorge]

I'm a sweaty player and I want PvE because its not all about what I want.

[digital crescent]

oh yeah ive seen alot of that recently

[inland quail]

Imagine cooperating with other people to get to your goals. Wild idea

[quasi sonnet]

I go in fill I think today we carried like 5 people through compiler fill

[odd nova]

If only that happened in this game at all lol

[grim galleon]

Yes. But I also want to play a PVE mode as well. Variety is good.

[glacial bane]

a reasonable take thanks

[tepid thorn]

I am legit wondering what game yall are playing different than me because if you just play the fucking game you can get matches where there is no PvP and matches where you can barely breath because of how intense shit can get.
Thats the experience.
The moment this game leans too far in one way or the other the experience becomes predictable and loses its charm.
The reason why I love this is because the balance of PvPvE is perfect, and you never know what you'll get.
people wanting just one or the other know fuck all about game design and REALLY should just go play something else

[rapid tide]

Beef beef beef :)

[radiant nimbus]

why not just play a pve game when you want to play pve?

[ruby cedar]

PvEbrains be like: HOLY SHIT! This Gigawarden has 90 gorillion HP! This is gonna a fuckin' epic fight lads!

[sharp vale]

Just did vault 5 with a filled crew after stealing the key from another team, we got the vault, the panopticon and the armory

[haughty pumice]

Ok but you said your smashing people in PvP, most good players were finished with subroutines in week 2...

[glacial bane]

me

[leaden birch]

GANBATTE!! i believe in you!!!!

[rapid tide]

Lazy gatekeep

[wintry lark]

Some even done it day 1

[grim galleon]

Because I want to play this game with a PVE mode. I think it would be fun.

[languid veldt]

What are subroutines

[inland quail]

It is meant as a jab to people that don't like "carries". Streamer/paid ones are sus, but if you have a friend I don't see a problem with it. It's still team game and subroutines are shared for a reason

[radiant nimbus]

well you see they actually hate when enemies don't immediately fall over and die from their mere presence

[shadow hawk]

Good choice now which kind of beef would you like? You have to understand that ground beef does not exist in Taco history. Ground beef tacos is American thing why because for some reason you took the exact same steak, you would put in a taco and then grind it. You could just have steak.

[zealous venture]

Probably because you can't get much better gunplay than Bungle. Why does it bother you so much that someone else wants to experience the game differently than you?

[twin steppe]

every video on the compiler fight shows them doing mechanics to unlock that... using the panels across the room

[crisp cloak]

I agree, but dedicated modes mean things are tilted in certain directions rather than comming down to luck or early exfils/disconnects.

[humble depot]

wow some of you have been at it for 24 hours at this point LMAO wow

[sharp vale]

Emptying 9379 magazines into a enemy that moves at half a fart per hour is so thrilling man

[velvet lichen]

Nade nerf when?

[fallen echo]

congratulations because they all did go play something else and now look at where the game and community are at 😂

[rapid tide]

Steak taco then!

[fringe halo]

were playing the same game right

[inland quail]

Tacos de lengua are pure fire 🔥 🔥 🔥

[wintry lark]

3 buttons is the peak of pve difficulty in the game

[crisp cloak]

Not sure. But I'd expect another one down the line.

[haughty pumice]

Yeah you hit three monitors which take a total of 10 ISH seconds, noway you havent killed a single compiler and your talking about pve😂

[glad cypress]

Get 1 each from opening all 6 vaults

U need All 6 to fight the compiler

[tepid thorn]

better alone than in bad company

[radiant nimbus]

ugh are people still spreading the weird "bungie gunplay is best" propaganda? it's not 2013 anymore bro, the industry has caught up lol

[leaden birch]

i am, but i think the self-hatred of it will be harmful

"hi chat! i just did a pve run! it was so fun"

"you're ruining the game! go back to arc raiders! it didn't fix the game! you're a loser!"

leaves marathon forever

i see a lot of this happening and it's so sad

[languid veldt]

Ohhhhh I’ve barely run cryo hahaha

[velvet lichen]

Cuz holy bro nades are literally win cons

[nova walrus]

Isn't the simple answer to screenshot their arachne level and their account level and deduce how much smashing is happening versus other activities?

[grim galleon]

I love marathon.

[tepid thorn]

I rather see marathon die than see it turn into slop for the masses.

[sharp vale]

You cant stop finding something to cry about can you

[golden viper]

I want a game where I don’t know if it’s PvP or PvE. I don’t want one or the other. If I wanted a pure pve or pure PvP mode, I would play some other shooter already on the market.

[odd nova]

I swear all you want is a medal that says "liked marathon" more than you want a game to play

[fallen echo]

not sure the people who funded the game would agree with you

[velvet lichen]

Not like a "hes low push" its like "I threw 2 frags all 17 teams in that room just insta died" PLEASE PLEASE nerf them bro

[haughty pumice]

They said 490 hours and level 49 Arachne which is garbage

[rapid tide]

For sure, hopefully enough PVE players exist to curb the lame gatekeeping rhetoric

[humble depot]

it's so funny how the same people are telling others to play other games and wondering why this game is dying

[nova walrus]

cool story bro

[brave marten]

professional victim

[dire violet]

Yeah. Its 2026 and fps is dead. There is cod with laser pointers and bf6 with bloom casino. Bungie still somehow won

[glad cypress]

High guard shooting felt like complete trash on Kbm because it didn’t have the “bungie magic” behind it

There’s actually a lot that goes into it

[crisp cloak]

Yep. Downed two people with one frag in Cryo yesterday.

[twin steppe]

acquring all the needed subroutines to even access the compiler fight also is part of it

[languid veldt]

I love the game but I’m pretty sure it’ll crash soon. Player count cascading in a trending fashion

[golden viper]

There are already a ton of pure PvP or pure PvE games.

[digital crescent]

you are the same echo chamber of toxic approach of players day 1 being pvp elitist about playing another game XD its as if marathon isnt allowed to have a different mode to freshen its economy or god forbid those numbers!

[rapid tide]

Shhh playercounts dont exist to the sweats

[tardy halo]

My two cents as a newbie, I feel like the game introduces a bit too much in the beginning, so having a PvE way to experience the maps and enemy layouts before adding the element of PvP into it might be cool

[fallen echo]

yeah ok now you're a certified grifter, just get out with that kind of talk y'all are fucking toxic

[wintry lark]

So the journey is the hardest part

[haughty pumice]

Takes literally a handful of days to do at the most

[velvet lichen]

My trio killed all but 1 team and as soon as we moved up on them a little bit they deadass threw 8 grenades

[cold stump]

better onboarding and chill low stakes gamemodes will increase playercount, not pve

[sharp vale]

Im fine with pve if it brings new players to the game, but im so tired of the dumbification of videogames. People used to like a challenging game now they want everything easy and spoon fed. Just buy a single player game at this point.

[golden viper]

I’m sticking with Arc. This game feels like it has no though out direction. They just flip flopping

[odd nova]

Yeah, devs don't want a martyr they want a game to get played

[twin steppe]

if the only 2 win conditions you see for marathon both end in you playing other games... then go play other games now.

[glacial bane]

who in their right minds lets these chuds sway their opinion of the game to the point where you leave. have a backbone and enjoy the game and ignore the rest 👍

[glad cypress]

Yea but this game has the sauce

[radiant nimbus]

lmao the best example of a shooter you could think of was fucking highguard??? dear lord

[humble depot]

"slop for the masses" bro like 12 people play this game, relax

[inland quail]

Not true for majority of players

[wintry lark]

Can take 12 hrs

[velvet lichen]

Like seriously PLEASE nerf them into the ground high level pvp isnt even pvp its literally mine sweeper atp

[odd nova]

Nowhere does it say it'll be dumbed down or made easier

[glad cypress]

No it was trash in almost every way but the shooting its self felt horrible on Kbm

My favorite shooter is cs2

[ruby cedar]

Tassibros... we did it... we have PvE...

[tepid thorn]

okay I take my statement back lol I just really love this fucking game I dont want it to turn into something irrecognizeable

[haughty pumice]

We not talking about majority of players, Kay said she was destroying people in cryo and she don't have a single compiler kill nor all subroutines lol

[glacial bane]

thanks T

[cold stump]

it really hasnt theres no fps that can compare

[shadow hawk]

If you guys want more recipes, I will be posting videos on Mexican recipes and other things on my YouTube channel. I know terrible cheap plug but I have to. Jajajaj. Hopefully I wanna stream Marathon. I never said I was any good at it but it’s still fun. https://youtube.com/@gxn74.9?si=c4IAYBzD7ta7lsNC.

[radiant nimbus]

don't let my responses fool you, if pve is good I'm never touching pvp again 😭

[twin steppe]

yeah if u make the effort of waiting for others to open up the vaults for you to yoink the subroutine off their corpses

[fringe halo]

you can still go into cryo and kill people ya know

[ruby cedar]

thank'em

[golden viper]

You may think that, but most people who played the game in the server slam left. And then then the player numbers dropped 88% in just two months. A lot of people aren’t liking the sauce

[brave marten]

with almost 500 hrs in the game btw

[eager elk]

It's bungie they will do exactly that 🤠

[woven stump]

right now I have subroutine 1 2 and 4

[hot lake]

Buckle up. The fall begins.

[scarlet field]

nice ip grabber. not today kiddo

[humble depot]

they're adding things, that's all, not removing anything

[sharp vale]

I trust it wont be, but since arc raiders most people expect that. Sry but AR is just easy spoon fed gameplay

[odd nova]

"I would rather see the game die---" well the developers disagree with you

[inland quail]

That's strange, yeah.
If you're good at pvp and regularly wipe lobbies then it's easy

[radiant nimbus]

just bc I like pve doesn't mean I'm not willing to admit that the pvp players have valid concerns

[wintry lark]

No day 1 cryo was solved from scratch in 12 hrs without guaranteed subroutines

[haughty pumice]

Yup and your Arachne level would be higher than 49 after 490 hours lol

[shadow hawk]

I said it was terrible and I do apologize. Kiddo. I bet I’m old enough to be your grandfather.

[grim galleon]

It would be nice.

[humble depot]

is this all you do here?

[scarlet field]

ok boomer

[fringe halo]

yeah ok that makes sense

[brave marten]

thats why we have been calling out the lies, they are piling up

[tepid thorn]

I'm sure of that but the way people argue about it is like they really do want it to turn into something that it isnt

[opaque crag]

Does anyone know if the key template change is permanent?

[inland quail]

Developers as in managers - yes
Developers as in designers, software engineers, etc - no

[twin steppe]

most of that was spent outside the game as each individual had already acquired 2 of the subroutines each

[shadow hawk]

You failed learning how to tell time didn’t you? Look at my name tag and or my YouTube channel and notice I’m Gen X. You’re thinking about two generations behind me.

[glad cypress]

It’s a game that require u to learn, can just look at steam achievements and see majority of people left before doing anything

[scarlet field]

ok kiddo

[wintry lark]

Obtained subroutines without cryo

[odd nova]

You're saying designers and software engineers want the game to die??

[grim galleon]

Marathon is a good game as it is. I quite enjoy it. I still would like a PVE mode.

[haughty pumice]

Just straight up lying

[twin steppe]

splitting the effort between the 3 of them, yeah it would take 12 hours

[kindred salmon]

Honestly if you're still missing subroutines I say just push a vault after you think the team has left. We leave subroutines behind in every vault we open

[digital crescent]

calm down J E F F

[grim galleon]

Yeah I bet he’s a totally uggo too

[fringe halo]

ts like the unfortunate part iwl

[grave robin]

This chat is wild lol

[inland quail]

I'm saying they wouldn't want it to turn to shit and betray a vision

[scarlet field]

HIGH CORTISOL

[wintry lark]

Bro called himself the worst marvel character ever made

[odd nova]

The vision clearly includes pve experiments

[lost moat]

for the love of jesus can someone please help me

[brave marten]

not the kid with jeff in his name calling others out for using kid lmao

[inland quail]

A lot of people have shit taste, so it's understandable

[humble depot]

YOU would rather have the game die cuz you spent like $40 on it, the devs don't want this game to die cuz they spent years of their lives and millions of dollars to make it

let them add things that other people like, it's not the end of the world (or this game)

[glad cypress]

Like I didn’t really like this game until level 20 I was just straight struggling and wasn’t having fun but i enjoy trial and error

I live life by it

[digital crescent]

jeff said shit aint water today he spitting fire

[fringe halo]

if youve read the comics i wouldnt say hes the worst id say hawkeye is

[wintry lark]

He’s worse than captain America in Xmen comics

[radiant nimbus]

holy larp

[inland quail]

It is the end of this game, not the end of the game

[odd nova]

I'm sure some of them have strong feelings on pve/pvp balance but the game not going under is the goal

[vale zinc]

is it just me or whenever you voice a complaint abt the game some of the community will plug their ears and say skill issue go play arc

[wintry lark]

No I would say modern ASM

[midnight onyx]

Who got more space dollars than me

[fringe halo]

we js saying shit

[eager elk]

Just you NEXTTT

[odd nova]

Arc lives rent free in their minds for some reason

[radiant nimbus]

jeff is barely even a character, he's literally gwenpool's pet lmao

[zealous venture]

Nuance dies in General Chat. Not everyone sucks. Block the ones that aren't funny and engage with the cool people.

[golden viper]

You claiming everyone who didn’t like the game has “shit taste” ain’t gonna help pay the salaries of 850 people in Seattle and keep the servers running

[tepid thorn]

well I dont want to see the game die, I just dont want it to be something that just appeals to everyone who doesnt like what it is, I dont want it to lose its identity

[midnight onyx]

Yall broke fr on marathon half yall run free kits 24/7

[fringe halo]

yea but hes cool tho ive never found interest in hawkeye

[humble depot]

100% true

[brave marten]

basically a glorified house plant

[shadow hawk]

Personally, I would love that they would add a place through option for just the lore. All the AI and stuff is still there, but other players cannot kill you and you cannot pick up anything. It’s just the story . There’s so much of it and you have so little time to absorb it all in game.

[odd nova]

Good, that seems unlikely

[radiant nimbus]

jeff is a lot of things, cool has never been one of them lol

[humble depot]

what

[fringe halo]

whatever u say bro hawkeye still lame as shit

[fallen echo]

I mean fact is that like, a lot of people don't like what the game is and that's why they're not playing it...

[zealous venture]

I don't think we'll have to worry about that. S1 created a core audience that really enjoys the game. Even if the game blows up, that core audience that has been around since Day 1 will still have a strong voice in the conversation.

[sharp vale]

R6 siege had around 10k at launch with way worse technical stuff and look at it now. I trust Bungie can turn this around, the base game is amazing, its just been a reception issue

[inland quail]

I'm claiming that modern gamers have shit tastes and it's their fault that developer have to make shitty games to have a roof over their heads

[glad cypress]

I respect people that are high levels and always broke because I’d stop playing if that were me

[radiant nimbus]

yeah ur def an mcu fan larping as a comic fan

[tepid thorn]

thats fine and dandy, no one has to like anything, I just dont know why these people come here and try to change a game that they dont like.

[kindred salmon]

WHO BLASTIN ICEMAN IN THE FRIDGE 🦉

[glacial bane]

with a couple more maps, runners and solid pve modes this game will flourish in about a year 👍

[haughty pumice]

Go on then mate you so clearly want to tell us your balance

[zealous venture]

Something something the consumer has no idea what they want something something?

[glad cypress]

“Why are you booing me I’m right”

[fringe halo]

if you think that sure

[golden viper]

Bungie chose to make an extraction shooter for 250 million dollars 🤷🏻‍♂️ they gotta make their money back. I wouldn’t have spent that much on a niche genre

[midnight onyx]

I really just wanted to see somebody 1 up me on space dollars 🤣

[radiant nimbus]

hold on you're cooking???

[wintry lark]

Mfs will say Jeff is peak when absolute Batman exists

[odd nova]

"We're having a second child!" "THEYRE GONNA ABANDON THEIR FIRSTBORN ON THE ROADSIDE"

[inland quail]

Marathon as pvpve extraction shooter with hardcore elements will probably die sooner or later.
Maybe it'll survive as pve fest, but the game that it once was will be no more. Only the name will remain

[haughty pumice]

How many ganglions you got?

[glad cypress]

My wallet stays at 100k cuz I buy to much shit lmaooo

[stuck ruin]

@cold vector mutual servers: Subnautica 🤝
How do you feel about the new game?

[midnight onyx]

Nah i just want to see somebody with more than me

[humble depot]

lost respect for u bro, you say that like only the older gamers have good taste

[odd nova]

Hope, cope, or rope

[elfin kettle]

R6 also had a really unique spin on a mega popular game genre that had been sound for like 20 years at that point. IMO marathon does not innovate the more niche genre of extraction shooter that much.

Siege just shit the bed early because of performance mainly

[cold vector]

Pretty good yeah, still tryna find bps tho

[spiral peak]

Good morning fellow Marasissies, hows everyone holding up after yesterday’s chud victory?

[stuck ruin]

Show me that UESC Credits Fibonacci Moneyspread

[zealous venture]

Nah, we're both shit. I'm just as surprised as anyone else when a game surprises me and I enjoy it 🤣

[tepid thorn]

I legit think its just a matter of bringing more people in, I know a lot of people who havent tried Marathon because they think its something that its not.
hell I think that word of mouth its what will bring more people to marathon because the experience is not really something you can easily show in a 3 minute trailer.

[eager elk]

GOOD

[sharp vale]

So far I love ziegler's vision for the gsme. I trust he will not change the core identity when they add pve

[sand rampart]

oh ziegler was behind valorant. i have a suspicion some of the PvE crowd will not be pleased with what they get 🤣

[fallen echo]

so like, I do really like the game even as it is without PvE and I don't want to see it just die within 2 years, but for that to happen more people have to want to play this game and there's no point in plugging our ears and going "lalalala we don't need any of that game is fine as is" when it's clearly not

[glad cypress]

Over exaggeration fr

[midnight onyx]

Okay 6 7

[solemn quiver]

My popcorn is warm and my crops are watered

[inland quail]

Yes they did and yes it's probably not the wisest financial decision they could make.
But what they did with it is a great game

[junior marten]

is there anyone out there willing to carry a girl through a compiler run before the season is over, ive had the worst luck and timing for runs 😭

[odd nova]

Yeah, people need to trust in the big zig

[brave marten]

and ill be here laughing

[radiant nimbus]

tbf older gamers actually voted with their wallets unlike modern gamers lmao

[stuck ruin]

What's BPS? How far are you in the game?

[sand rampart]

i actually have even more faith in the game after finding this out. holy shit

[midnight onyx]

Maybe schema?

[tepid thorn]

Marathon Season 5 bringing in Marathon Infinity elements to justify changing its identity is ironically something that makes sense lore wise

[humble depot]

wdym? all games being played rn aren't making any money? hm?

[kindred salmon]

Peep #lfc-cryo-archive I plan on ushering some people through during the 12 days of christmas (cryo)

[cold vector]

Like the fragments

[wintry lark]

Unironically wipes should be failed timelines

[haughty pumice]

Lowk a horde mode would be kinda cool to play for 30 mins

[grim galleon]

The final boss will be the security officer. You cannot win. He is destiny itself.

[zealous venture]

Honestly, I think that's why Arc Raiders blew up. Word of Mouth that the game was super fun, and when players learned that it could cater to both the aggressive and passive crowds they stuck around. The option for different play patterns probably helped Arc more than anything. If the experiments in S2 go well, I don't see a reason why we couldn't also capitalize on word of mouth as well.

Players can have their opinions of Arc, but they got asses in the seats.

[odd nova]

Don't worry they'll just turn marathon into valorant and all the pvpers will celebrate (and then leave)

[radiant nimbus]

they're def making money but I don't think you're picking up what I'm putting down lol

[spiral peak]

NGL, after yesterdays Chud win, waking up today and watching the sunrise on the porch with the cool breeze. It feels like Thanos did after the snap, a job of HATING on this game, well rewarded.

[glad cypress]

Ziegler coming from Val makes me think the sentinel shell gonna be a force to reckon with 😭

[tepid thorn]

I think for now its just what Oni says at the very start that they'll take shit from you as payment for bringing you to Tau Ceti

[inland quail]

Nah, plenty of shitty games were made in any period of time.
But we clearly can see trends in gaming and they're grim if you are a fan of something more substantial than chilling after your work shift

[brave marten]

as long as its as punishing as he usually does, then im for it. dont coddle them

[humble depot]

yeah lol that's why i asked wdym

[haughty pumice]

Yeah because everyone totally stopped playing valorant...

[wintry lark]

Nah make it failed timelines for the bants

[hot lake]

Agreed.

[balmy belfry]

Hohoho

[inland quail]

Cooking

[odd nova]

Exactly, they'll all go back after this game becomes a clone

[glad cypress]

Imagine not having enough money that u would care to lose $40 that much

[tepid thorn]

oh o'm not disagreeing that it would be cool. I also allows for some major changes in the gameplay loop

[stuck ruin]

for the Tadpole? You can find them in a few different areas. The multi-scan ones are tossed around in different locations and wreckages. I guess it's meant to promote exploration.

[unique viper]

I see nade simulator isnt fixed yet

[sand rampart]

i was never able to get into valorant, but I see that it succeeded despite not giving in to the babies that infest the hobby now.

[humble depot]

go away, we have enough problems already

[golden viper]

Business is business, bro. Doesn’t matter if a live service game is fun or not. If it don’t make enough recurring revenue, then it’s donezo.

[haughty pumice]

Yup, marathon is totally morphing into valorant, basically the same game 😐

[glad cypress]

Hide the money yall there’s poor people around

[stuck ruin]

Imagine if there was a Quake/Unreal PVP for Martythang

[cold vector]

Yeah

[inland quail]

Eh, maybe a bit. But it's more dramatic this way 🙂

[odd nova]

As fast as it's turning into arc for sure 😱

[zealous venture]

I'm not even sure how Bungie would be able to illustrate some of the shit they did in Infinity. How do you show the players that your character has gained cosmic power and can translocate/shape matter at will? 😱

[solemn quiver]

Dude I heard from John marton the game is gonna be exactly like fortnite

[spiral peak]

“You chuds are going to win, win so much you’ll beg me to stop winning ‘pls mr. durandal, stop the winning, we cant take it anymore’ and I wont stop the chud victories” - durandal 2016+10 the year of our ai door opener

[north oar]

Wordle 1,791 3/6

⬛⬛⬛⬛🟨
🟨🟩⬛⬛🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[radiant nimbus]

the solution to a lot of problems in modern gaming is literally to just stop buying/playing games that do things you don't like, but people would rather complain forever while continuing to pay for a game that stopped being fun years ago

[sand rampart]

watch this.

[glad cypress]

I loved year 1-2 and haven’t played much since

[humble depot]

just remember this

[tepid thorn]

by having Mjolnir spawn at random and wiping your entire crew in .02 seconds

[solemn quiver]

Why are you here

[north oar]

a common missunderstanding, marathon is actually being added to fortnite

[sharp vale]

Ok

[unique viper]

man takes games too seriously

[inland quail]

I am not arguing with that, I'm just saying that business interferes with creative output and variety of media

[odd nova]

I have fallen into this trap 😞

[grim galleon]

They’re adding DCS to Fortnite I hear

[fallen echo]

you're right but they won't listen to that, it's actually reasonable

[sand rampart]

💥 LOL

[zealous venture]

That would be so lame. "Hey, isn't that the Battleroi-"

Run Failed

[stuck ruin]

There's a location in the Hot Caves (aptly named because it's REALLY REALLY HOT) called the Tadpole docking bay where you can scan a few of the carcasses as well as the stingray scouting attachment (I'm not even sure what that attachment is even for tho).

[solemn quiver]

This is what they meant when they said "escape will make me god"

[tepid thorn]

lol, lmao

[inland quail]

I bought a game that did what I like, but then they changed what I like 🙁

[cold vector]

Ok ty

[sharp vale]

HE GOT BOOTED LMAO

[haughty pumice]

Who?

[radiant nimbus]

fell for the classic bait and switch, eh?

[golden viper]

I mean, I do agree we got amazing games and console that weren’t successful in the past. But a game with server costs like an online game is gonna be taken offline if it doesn’t right the ship. It’s why an offline mode is needed for games like this

[glad cypress]

W

[sharp vale]

The guy that was just talking about the player count and the 40 dollars

[sand rampart]

i didn't think my "watch this" was actually going to bear fruit 😭 perfect

[digital crescent]

its still there tho :3 wats changed???

[solemn quiver]

but they haven't even changed anything, all the PvP is still there omg

[humble depot]

brother they didn't change shit, they're just going to add more

this is additive, not a modification or a subtraction

[inland quail]

Server costs are neglible compared to development cost

[fallen echo]

who got booted?

[fresh gyro]

what is love?

[sharp vale]

I also reacted with the boot earlier so maybe the mods noticed lmao

[glad cypress]

Just some troll

[zealous venture]

baby don't hurt me

[tepid thorn]

dont hurt me

[sand rampart]

oh i got a notification for that one specifically

[stuck ruin]

I just started playing and not everything is fresh in my mind on how to get to where, but that's not the only place you can find the scraps. You'll definetly get a lot more bang for your buck than just the tadpole scans if you do a thorough exploring of the place.

[odd nova]

But the identity bro the vision!!

[grim galleon]

I hope they turn marathon into a nexus of premium fps gameplay. It deserves to be that.

[inland quail]

ofc they didn't change it, it will change in about few weeks

[ripe wharf]

Stoked for season 2 or whatevs

[echo knoll]

at this point im bringing dna in and not doing it just to feel anything, nothing matters

[glad cypress]

I can’t wait for them to make something even harder than cryo lmaoo

[grave robin]

Saaame

[cold stump]

this is taking resources away from other things

[zealous venture]

Please no vision.

We can't survive the vision 💀

[fringe halo]

why the fuck is the sj6 stimulant talking

[odd nova]

If I put on different clothes I'm a different person bro!!

[fading sentinel]

I want pve to be permanent and make it difficult

[leaden birch]

who

[golden viper]

It’s reality. There is a chance these game gets taken offline in a few years

[inland quail]

That's why I still have time to enjoy it

[grim galleon]

Same

[glad cypress]

Bro I need them 😭 I only got 1 rn

[ripe wharf]

Becauseeeee I can out run you that’s why

[eager elk]

That's generous

[tepid thorn]

oh no that was a reply to "what is love baby dont hurt me, dont hurt me no more"
I just accidentally replied to you instead

[digital crescent]

im betting it will be after the season

[spiral peak]

I may need to take a break, to prepare for the sweats crashing out when bungie Has to follow the money and cater to the PVE players over the PVP players.

[solemn quiver]

C'mon man you're smarter than this

[outer sleet]

where looking for crrew

[radiant nimbus]

bro it'll be a miracle if this game makes it to 2027 lol

[grim galleon]

I believe in miracles

[fading sentinel]

I would happily lose all my gear in my vault if we could have some boss to kill and it was super hard or just get swarmed with enemies

[humble depot]

hence me saying "they're going to add more

tell me what is being changed? what part of the current game is being turned into different?

[inland quail]

I'm big dumb, what are you talking about.
Years of playing dota 2 atrophied my brain

[fringe halo]

if arc survived a year im sure this game will survive till 27

[odd nova]

It's already happening, the pre-emptive dooming over something that hasn't happened and nobody knows what it will entail

[glad cypress]

The way they worded the article yesterday sounded like they forsure have a full year to make the game successful money wise

[tepid thorn]

truth is no game lasts forever, which is why the D2 comunity is going through rampancy right now

[stuck ruin]

Vocal stim activated

[viral stag]

Channels and Roles > channels

[golden viper]

It all depends on what they do now that they got the impairment loss. I think making a PvE mode ain’t gonna do shit. They need to make it a better extraction shooter.

A game for everyone is for no one. But a game that is for a specific audience but badly designed…isn’t gonna keep that audience. I’ll leave it at that, your free to enjoy marathon but this game did not resonate with people. And lack of a PvE mode wasn’t the root cause

[cold stump]

every gamemode exists in the same context as others because they all share an economy

[grave robin]

Yooo I’m gonna finally be able to play this game w my daughters and have them only die to UESC 😅

[glad cypress]

I might get it for my girl if the pve is decent

[zealous venture]

Did you read the blog post? They laid out why they failed in S1 fairly well

[odd nova]

"A game for everyone is a game for no one" ture but this game has such a narrow band of appeal, it certainly isn't "for everyone"

[spiral peak]

Yeah, but I think it will be a monumental crashout gestalt when we get an update. that clearly shows PVE keeps the game afloat, and they start pivoting more towards that end of the game

[tepid thorn]

are we going to see one of the faction AIs go through rampancy someday?

[inland quail]

Shifting focus to pve, bringing pve loot into pvp, watering down game's experience. And that's just the start. Boiling frog and all that

[grim galleon]

Well what about a game for just a few more people than it’s for now

[solemn quiver]

I feel like this chat is going through rampancy

[odd nova]

God I hope so, gaius has some repressed issues for sure

[viral stag]

Hopefully by pve lite they mean rooks still get a look in for skinning runners

[radiant nimbus]

I actually think the reason they want to add pve is bc it'll have an easier time dealing with the low player base since it doesn't rely on having a large player pool like pvp does

[glad cypress]

I’d assume they won’t allow that as they know that would be horrible

[zealous venture]

Rampancy is the first step to true Artificial Life. Bernard Strauss taught me that!

[grim galleon]

Despair Rage Envy

[inland quail]

I try to be optimistic about it

[solemn quiver]

That's true that's how they made me

[stuck ruin]

This NuCaloric Tickmilk moving in my tummy crazy, got me doing the CryoArchive Fibonacci Moneyspread

[radiant nimbus]

someone ban this person

[glad cypress]

Small chance the mode pulls more people off the extraction mode making Que times worse

[solemn quiver]

Someone promote this person

[sand rampart]

why is everyone acting like an experimental PvE queue means the game is for sure getting a permanent PVE mode where they get to sidestep the challenge of dealing with other players?? seems a little too soon to gloat to me 😭

[tepid thorn]

Nona going rampant is gonna be Kino

[stuck ruin]

This shit ain't nothing the me man.

[glad cypress]

It could fr just be diremarsh lockdowns with increased uesc

[odd talon]

Nona storytime all the time

[fringe halo]

people dont understand experimental

[inland quail]

Writing on the wall

[trim scaffold]

because thats 100% what pvers want and what they will whine to get

[misty crater]

Can we just delete bubbles bro

[solemn quiver]

Reading literacy is dead

[elfin kettle]

If people drop the PvP mode for PvE then that means they weren't all that attached to PvP anyways

[fresh gyro]

haha my fault sorry xD

[sand rampart]

oh absolutely but it's funny that they're sitting and gloating about it

[glad cypress]

No it’s the only real grenade counter rn

[fringe halo]

chillout yo

[golden viper]

Yes I did. They are exploring pure PvP and pure PvE which is a stupid idea. There are already a million PvE and PvP games

[grim galleon]

Pretty good writing. It’s like if Thomas Pynchon himself wrote the message on the wall.

[radiant nimbus]

nah the game is def getting a permanent pve mode, but it'll be an "under new management" situation, not the brainless shooty shooty gun mode people think it'll be

[cold stump]

100% the feedback we'll be seeing is that it needs to be as rewarding as pvp, cryo should have pve, and that they need to make more pve-exclusive content

[inland quail]

Haven't read anything by him, what would you recommend?

[tepid thorn]

god any PvE mode shouldnt have any rewards past greens and blues

[languid veldt]

I wish we got more season xp

[stuck ruin]

Average Sekiguci contract:
IN A SINGLE RUN:
-Break your legs by jumping off a cliff several times
-Shoot yourself in the mouth point blank with a Magnum Pistol
-Go to Pinwheel and upload trauma data
Remember: Nona loves you!

[sand rampart]

lmaooo yep. exactly

[grim galleon]

The Crying of Lot 49 and Gravity’s Rainbow

[solemn quiver]

You will suffer for mommy

[radiant nimbus]

we need pve cryo NOW 🗣️ 🗣️

[inland quail]

Thanks!

[languid veldt]

Why not make cryo permanent?

[tepid thorn]

hell naw, cryo works because its a map entirely made with pvp in mind
(appart from the nade spam)

[fringe halo]

sucks cuz they might make a gazillion more money in return

[inland quail]

Furthermore I genuinely believe that pattern recognition is a form of cheating. Your homo sapiens brain is literally destroying the difficulty of the experience by compensatory adaptation. I hope that people consider this in the future and later learn to recognize that the truest Marathon experience would be a lobotomite run where prior to playing we perform a frontal lobotomy and sever your prefrontal cortex. Sometimes the only option you have to preserve the purity of your experience is brain damage.

[grim galleon]

Well they can make it with PVE in mind.

[grave robin]

Wouldn’t mind it one bit

[solemn quiver]

Finally, someone who gets it

[radiant nimbus]

incredible first sentence holy shit

[tepid thorn]

thing is, i completely get it because the PvE in this game do be fucking delicious

[grim galleon]

Yeah like that one guy who scammed Press Your Luck for like a couple hundred thousand dollars

[glad cypress]

Can we speculate on this instead:

“Season 3 we're planning to introduce a lot (and I mean a lot) of revisions to our early experience, including big updates to Perimeter, alongside a new Runner shell, and additional (no spoilers) content.
Season 4 we're focusing on building more depth into the existing extraction loop.
Season 5 we're looking at bringing the whole ecosystem of (PV(P)VE) play together and evolving our weird sci-fi world in new ways.”

[elfin kettle]

There's quite a few games I wish I could experience the first time playing again

[inland quail]

Wish I could claim it as mine

[trim scaffold]

mandatory lobotomies for all

[zealous venture]

They got my noodle going on what they could mean with S5..

[golden viper]

It’s not. It’s poorly designed. The enemies are not interesting to fight whatsoeve

[languid veldt]

We gotta get through season 2 first 😭🤣

[glad cypress]

Same dude

Tf do they mean with the last part about the (PV(P)VE)????

[grim galleon]

Theyre planning for two modes and are trying to find ways to make them both matter and affect each other.

[proven anchor]

ur bugging

[sand rampart]

i think you're enjoying the gunplay more than anything, personally.

[tepid thorn]

its such a shame that steve jobs died of ligma

[languid veldt]

We need permanent cryo, stop with the limited access to it

[glad cypress]

That’s completely different than this

Mode 1 is PvP lite and the later mode in the season will be pve

[stone jasper]

pre dooming the pve element in this game before it releases type shi

[fringe halo]

would you consider that the only reason the gunplay is good is cause of the cone aim assist similar to destiny 2

[elfin kettle]

The season 5 thing is quite confusing since it just sounds like they would be smooshing all of the modes back into the main game mode like it is currently

[sand rampart]

@sharp vale check your dms btw

[radiant nimbus]

it will be a sweaty 6-man raid that REQUIRES communication, perfect gear, the right team comp, and at least 3 hours to complete 🙂‍↕️

[grave robin]

At the end of the day, pvpers that wipe lobbies to do the pve portion of the game uninterrupted are going to be able to skip the lobby wipe and go straight into pve. Win win

[tepid thorn]

yes and?

[north oar]

WWJD: What Would Joy Do?

[spiral peak]

Marathon is like the Bizarro-world version of Fortnite, start with the pvp mode with high users, then lose players fast and transition to a pve mode.

[golden viper]

A studio suddenly trying to change genres for their game which was 6 years in development is not a promising sign whatsoever

[sand rampart]

alright, cool.

[digital crescent]

my favorite boss fight is the scorch warden tho

[languid veldt]

I use a knife for 95% of kills

[radiant nimbus]

well no bc the current pve is kinda braindead easy and boring af without the threat of other players lol

[glad cypress]

To me sounds like a step up from cryo as cryo is mostly pve and racing against other players to get everything

[neon nexus]

Cutting up matchmaking into more queues as well

[grim galleon]

They can tune enemy behavior to compensate. It’s not an impossible feat

[grave robin]

Two different arguments. I’m not trying to gotcha anyone or anything. To some extent I agree with you

[golden viper]

Matriarch in arc is one of the scariest experience I ever had in game. Marathon can’t top that

[sand rampart]

"just make the AI better bro"

[wintry lark]

lol what

[grim galleon]

Yeah basically.

[ripe wharf]

I have yet to do the compiler ngl and I can live with that psh I don’t want that skin psh ……

[languid veldt]

I don’t think splitting up modes will be feasible

Their player base is dropping which makes distinct partitioned modes harder

[spiral peak]

Do yall think its coincidence this news came out so shortly after the sony meeting? I feel sony basically did some Spanking and told them to course correct.

[glad cypress]

6 deadlines and a snaphook
Wow so cool

[red prawn]

Compiler run got sold yesterday team mate had lost the dna key or some 🤕 gonna have to run it back today

[hot lake]

Solo Dire bro.

[radiant nimbus]

well yeah, but that's kinda what pvp players are saying. creating an engaging and compelling pve experience would necessitate that they take resources away from properly developing the pvp experience

[neon nexus]

You don’t mark a $50 impairment loss and not do a little spanking afterwords

[sharp vale]

Wait until u get ratted/third partied

[zealous venture]

That almost makes me think they're thinking about staged maps. What I mean by that is their is an opening that is cooperative: Runners push out and fight the P'fhor with the UESC and once we hit a certain point in the round timer - All hell is going to break loose and it's every squad for themselves. I'm imagining something with the Anomaly goes fucking NUTS and the staying in the map would mean your neural link would be severed.

I unironically think that could work

[languid veldt]

I don’t think splitting up modes will be feasible

Their player base is dropping which makes distinct partitioned modes harder

[glad cypress]

How tf do u just lose the dna?

[proven anchor]

nope

[sand rampart]

holy fucking peak batman

[hot lake]

I love how getting ratted means getting shot first to y'all 😂

[grave robin]

Can’t wait for the pvpers in here to try the pve mode and like it

[grim galleon]

Maybe not as severely as we would think.

[red prawn]

I don’t know we went up in the lab and he checked his inventory and he didn’t have it and we back tracked and we couldn’t find it and had no time left lmao

[glad cypress]

Great idea tbh I’m for it

[proven anchor]

pve is LARP who the fuck

[stuck ruin]

What is a skeleton's favorite snack?

[terse sedge]

sometimes i just wanna go in with a purple swarm directive and fight bots all day

[grim galleon]

Club crackers with some cream cheese

[glad cypress]

Most likely Thief drone? Tough 😭

[trim scaffold]

i already played FBC firebreak and its mid but thanks

[elfin kettle]

How much resources does it take to generate PvP content? It's really just balance changes and gun/ shells. All of which will be included in the PvE aspects of the game anyways.

Live service games shoot for PvP multiplayer games because the content loop is player driven and easy to add to

[sharp vale]

Nah, im talking about being about to stabilize an anomaly and having an assassin come out of invis next to tue device

[terse sedge]

or torch bug 🤤

[hot lake]

You don't check your corners? That's on you scrub.

[spiral peak]

Even if all the remaining players right now in the game are pvp sweats, and they ALL decide to leave because pve, are we really losing THAT many people that it matters.

[languid veldt]

If they start filling the lobbies with bots it’ll def be feasible I’d say

[glad cypress]

We had a theif drone steal our vault 6 key yesterday and we bull rushed them lmaoo

[tepid thorn]

I think that we all severely over/underestimate to some extent what bungie has planed for this game

[red prawn]

Yk what’s crazy, I shot out a thief drone at some point idk if they noticed it when I called it out. Never checked it tho. Someone took it though when he left it because our third got ratted at last exfil when we left

[sand rampart]

i beg you please make a feedback thread for this. it's already so much higher quality than the 50th "PVE NOW!!!!" thread

[inland quail]

We are losing everyone who matters

[sharp vale]

Or stepping foot outside of a key room and getting sh1t on. I mean, they are mistakes but it doesnt make it any less scary lmao

[golden viper]

Not knowing if someone is a rat in Arc is FUN. It’s exciting. Every match in marathon is just a PvP sweat fest. And just making pure PvP and pure PvE separated mode is boring and won’t lead to any interesting tension

[radiant nimbus]

look man, I have 3k hours in D2. I'm telling you Bungie does not know how to juggle pve and pvp simultaneously. If they couldn't do it in a game that was explicitly designed for them to do that, what makes you think they'll be able to do it in a game that wasn't designed for that with only a fraction of their previous manpower?

[wintry lark]

Don’t do that it’s a cesspool

[languid veldt]

Is no one concerned about the player count tho?🤣 like it’s consistently falling heavily

[glacial bane]

bungie has 100s of employees, it takes maybe 10 people to add a pve mode. chill

[zealous venture]

I think it would be rad. Maybe all the exfils become active at the same time and it becomes a mad dash to them. Something with the digitizer's could be acting up because of the anomaly and it can only exfil 3 runners at the same time - Meaning you're either slaying other players to make sure your entire squad gets out, or you decide to roll the dice and work together with your new 'left behind family' to get out.

Idfk, I'm bored at work and spitballin

[hot lake]

You mean "thrilling." This game is pure cocaine.

[glad cypress]

Season 1 with cryo felt like such a complete game to me I’m wondering how they make it better

[red prawn]

Lmao there’s almost 0 tension with ABMM in the game.

[inland quail]

I think you fundamentally don't understand what makes pvp appealing and pure pve unappealing for this kind of players

[trim scaffold]

"just kill me so i can get to friendly lobbies"

[grim galleon]

I dunno. Cuz. All I’m saying is that it’s not impossible.

[zealous venture]

I'm gonna save that message and make it over my lunch break. Maybe I had a decent idea for once ^^;

[grave robin]

🤷‍♂️

[stone jasper]

you must be fun at parties

[cold stump]

no amount of effort is gonna make the pve as dynamic, challenging, or thrilling as the pvp

[golden viper]

It won’t. For the PvP to be good you need better enemies and map design that accommodates it. Which takes way more people

[neon nexus]

He’s not wrong tho

[sand rampart]

a common enemy for runners to gang up on and then start blasting eachother would be awesome

[radiant nimbus]

all I'm saying is that the last time they tried to do this, they abandoned pvp for literal years lol

[tepid thorn]

still trying to random fill for cryo, that queue does not like SA servers lol

[languid veldt]

Why is cryo still limited? At this point in the season

[crisp cloak]

Some do. I’m cautiously optimistic.

I don’t think Marathon or the upcoming Destiny expansion will save the studio from layoffs.

…but, many of the more expensive talent/managers are seeing their stock vest from the Sony purchase and are either staying or trickling out. Meanwhile Marathon is much cheaper to maintain than Destiny.

So call it a wash?

[glad cypress]

Spitballing in fun
And it goes with the lore

[glacial bane]

same maps, more enemies and more varied enemy nav meshes. thats it. takes 10 people a month to get it to feeling great dw about it 👍

[stone jasper]

allergic to fun asses smh

[golden viper]

You do get the off chance of encountering a psycho who isn’t friendly. The chance is still lingering

[red prawn]

21st-june2nd non stop cryo

[fiery trench]

How we thinking about the pve mode chat?

[zealous venture]

Yeah, I agree. The only problem I could see is that swap from 'work together' to 'murder your friends'. They'd really have to sell the fact that it's either you or them and there are no other options.

[gilded olive]

Cool stuff

[glad cypress]

Every good player I’ve found on lfg I just asked people to match my vault keys

[cold stump]

you mean arguably the one of most cpu intensive things that games can have?

[trim scaffold]

bro when people find different things fun

[red prawn]

So you’re saying all the fun in Arc comes from trying to guess if someone is a rat or not? That’s a trash loop lmao . End game based off wipe alone? Boring loop

[languid veldt]

damn 😩😩 I won’t be playing next season so won’t get to reap

[spiral peak]

if they ‘mattered’ they would have each spent enough on the store to keep the game afloat, clearly pvpers are bottom of the barrel and don’t matter at all to bungie hence why they’re being dropped as the dead weight they are

[grim galleon]

Well maybe they’ll get it right this time. Look I enjoy the game as it is. I’d like it better if there were to be a PVE mode to go along with it. If they’re not able to do it, then fine, but it’s nice that they’re trying.

[sand rampart]

big boss with insane loot that you cannot feasibly take down with a single team, with a reward that isn't nearly enough to split.

[radiant nimbus]

well you kinda also have to add stuff to the runners, their kits are hella bland in a pve-only setting

[grave robin]

Dude your profile picture looks so familiar I know I’ve seen it somewhere ..

[tepid thorn]

oh I dont have any keys 😀

[stone jasper]

idk what they find fun cause theyre always complaining 🕺🏽

[elfin kettle]

The players that enjoy PvP will simply not interact with the PvE and nothing changes for them then. The players that enjoy the game world will flip flop or move over. PvP players lose nothing but the fodder that dont attach to the PvP hardcore that were going to leave eventually

[fiery trench]

Nah bro that’s me

[wintry lark]

Assassin spam, it would be assassin spam

[crisp cloak]

Cautiously optimistic. There’s two modes but the season 3 onboarding changes are more important.

Nice to know we’re getting a shell after the sentinel and that the Pfthor are on their way.

[glacial bane]

thats already solved in the back end. adding a couple of nav meshes for patrols doesnt suddenly drastically increase the hardware budget

[glad cypress]

We think the S’pht are hard? 😭 bro im scared

[fiery trench]

Super valid take

[zealous venture]

That might be sick. Maybe something fucky worms it's way through the rift and everyone (Runners and UESC) has to drop what they're doing to deal with it, or flee.

[spiral peak]

PVPers should be happy with the state of the game where its pretty much at for them, because they’re going to get left in a sort of stasis as resources go to the proper playerbase

[grave robin]

All those ratios on PvE feedback threads really worked huh

[inland quail]

PvE loot in PvP modes, changing focus to PvE updates, balancing around PvE. All of this change something for PvP players

[north oar]

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[cold stump]

theres a big reason bots can only patrol in circles around pois

[solemn quiver]

Yo, squares

[tepid thorn]

bro a comon enemy from classic marathon is this game's current final challenge, think about that shit lol

[fiery trench]

I personally probably won’t touch the pve content really buttttt it’s really good for bringing in new players

[radiant nimbus]

yeah assassin, triage, and thief would be the meta comp imo. destroyer is just unnecessary and recon would be literally useless

[glacial bane]

culling solves this

[trim scaffold]

okay but why did i even buy the game if im just funding a shitty different game for people that arent me

[crisp cloak]

I mean, Spht are stronge than most but not all Pfthor. My expectation is that we’ll be able to take and use their weapons. Destiny Glaives for example can be repurposed as their staves.

My question is which animations they’ll use. I’m hoping for Subjugator Pfthor staff attacks with Wretch flying drones.

[sand rampart]

you should be GRATEFUL that they saved your dying game!!! 😭

[cold stump]

bots in pois are already culled

[spiral peak]

Thanks for your purchase for the capital needed for the game me and the chuds will enjoy… NO REFUNDS

[solemn quiver]

A dude with a Vandal feet pic just tried to harass me in DMs I love this community lol

[hollow cosmos]

Son turned 2

Highly recommend the entire experience to this point

Get mpregged thonners

U can make ur own trio and never have 2 rando fill

[grave robin]

Thanks for your capital

[zealous venture]

YOU WILL SEE THESE TOES AND LIKE IT MISSY! (ew)

[radiant nimbus]

congratulations, you've just discovered the other risk of buying a live service game

[solemn quiver]

They weren't even good feet

[zealous venture]

As someone who despises feet: That's all of em'

[glad cypress]

The phor lock each other up in stars 😭

[golden viper]

Never said all the fun. But it’s a component imo

[sand rampart]

i won't regret buying the game if the PvE crowd does completely subvert it but I will certainly never even look in Bungie's direction again lol

[inland quail]

Again with the counting money for big corpo, sigh

Nobody denying that catering to wider masses is more profitable. In that sense yeah, they "matter" more, that's not the context in which I am talking about it.
Casuals will jump to other casual games in short time and what will be left is nothing because you drove away core players 🤷

[wintry lark]

Why triage when basic enemies drop meds

[grim galleon]

What if it’s not a shitty other game

[golden viper]

I’m gonna be brutally honest. The Maps may be one of the reasons why players drop the game.

[inland quail]

Abe, I see through your trick, you're no getting me

[radiant nimbus]

free res when shit hits the fan and free healing for everyone, meaning you can actually just not bring meds at all lol

[sand rampart]

gotta be bait. you have obviously not spent any meaningful amount of time on them

[hidden ravine]

Off topic but w Lupe pfp

[radiant nimbus]

ty ty

[simple juniper]

Since halo 3, games have been gambles. You haven’t known most games gonna be for you until you bought it

[elfin kettle]

Any content updates that would be provided for PvP players can basically be added in a PvE update. New guns, shells, maps, items are all items that would be in PvP focused updates all of which are also additions for PvE.

The PvE items going into PvP also would have negligent impacts considering it's been repeated that you can "just kill the people for items you would never have gotten anyways" when people complained about never getting to endgame cryo.

The PvP vs PvE balance is valid though

[wintry lark]

Basic uesc drop loads of meds now, might as well run assassin and just not take damage in the first place

[inland quail]

I won't regret it because I still had my fun and it was money well spent

[hollow cosmos]

DESU NE FOIRED AGAIN u must repopulate nippon my son

[glacial bane]

maybe. i also get tired of the same medium sized maps. bungie defo needs more maps and runners 👍

[inland quail]

Born to repopulate Nippon
Forced to repopulate Russia
😭

[forest vale]

Wonder if they could make pve and pvp necessary modes to play

[spiral peak]

As a Chud speaking to other Chuds, does your chest feel lighter on the air of victory?

[hollow cosmos]

Literally rip

[sand rampart]

ahhh looking at @golden viper's message history nearly every single one is just him shitting all over the game despite having not played it 😂 called it

[radiant nimbus]

ehhhh that only works against trash mobs. time spent healing/hiding is time that's not being spent shooting

[raw igloo]

Wearing a headset and patience has honestly been a game changer for Cryo and Outpost. Learning how to evade the one team clearing Pinwheel to pick over the leftovers as Rook transfers to getting a vague idea where others are in Cryo to evade / confront them better.

[crisp cloak]

I thought it was the Jaro who trapped some (not all) Wrk in suns? 🤔

[trim scaffold]

that will piss off literally everyone, great idea

[hollow cosmos]

No victory only the next objective

[golden viper]

If you think a difference of opinion about a video game is bait, then lol

The game is not well designed imho. And that is why countless players dropped it

[north oar]

im curious on how they could add more interesting enemy behaviour, while i would like the AI to be a bit more aggressive and chase the player off point of POIs i can understand why that might be detrimental to the overall feel of the game. If there was a bot type i disliked it would probably be a tie between the shielded or the grenadiers. Shooting the gun doesnt actually break the shield faster, really its just another damage sponge and its not like the bots really play around that shielded guy. grenadiers feel like another bullet sponge sometimes and other times they will just try to absolutely send nades across the map. i know its meant to flush me out of cover but the only thing ive actually learnt is to slide dash away to avoid 90% of the damage.

even if bots dont chase past the POI sometimes it feels like youre just cheesin them. Warden at overflow is probably the biggest example, its hack and decoys are interesting but anyone with a few brain cells will realize that the 1st ability doesnt matter as long as you stay on the second floor, and decoys can be ignored the moment someone pings. Why doesnt the warden chase our ass off the roof?

[glad cypress]

Ah your right

[tardy halo]

The game should definitely introduce some way to ease you into the game better. If not with PvE, then something else.

[hollow cosmos]

Jesus

Substantive long form that’s not a copypasta

The end times r upon us

[spiral peak]

To my fellow Chud 2000 years from now, you must take moments to BASK in the victory, to remember the WHY you GENERATIONALLY HATE on the game.

[golden viper]

You can be angry at me for having an opinion on a video game. But if Bungie wants the game to survive; they are going to have to understand why a lot of people who tried the game didn’t like it

[north oar]

this aint even that long lmao, im not even dissing the game

[simple juniper]

Season 3 the on-boarding tutorial is revamped for perimeter

[sand rampart]

28 pages alone of you whining about the game a year ago btw. Mostly over the course of THREE DAYS.

[inland quail]

Forget about pvp updates, pvp will be getting scraps of pve imo.

Also I don't particularly enjoy killing lower geared players. When you kill someone in purple/gold you know they had to work for it, if instead of that I will get timmies in endgame gear it's not the same. It cheapens the experience

Same if all the best gear would be available from the start

[raw igloo]

With bots... spreading out has been a good strategy vs them, especially the riot shield ones. They... get distracted really easily if you shoot them from different directions, more time spent switching targets means less time spent hurting you.

[north oar]

was wondering why you pinged me lmao

[hollow cosmos]

No it’s good content. Totally agree the ai is pretty ok but if they’re gonna do pve that offers anything like the PvP experience they gotta up the game

[golden viper]

And? Why the fuck do you care?

[austere kindle]

nah they were pretty explicit that they’re committed to the core experience. he called it lane 1

[hollow cosmos]

So you tried it and stopped? After how long?

[sand rampart]

oh i'm just pointing it out for other people to judge you on.

[golden viper]

Played the server slam

[cyan willow]

solo queue is so good assassins keep just not bothering fighting back when i engage them and when they do i just need to bonk em with vandal blast

[neon nexus]

They can say that all they want but what happens if PvE is the more popular experience?

[spiral peak]

weren’t they pretty explicit before the game was purely staying in its pvpve lane also?

[inland quail]

Season 4 maps reworked. Now they're called levels and you can only do them in predetermined succession. ALso we added saving your progress, so you can load where you left off

[grim galleon]

Then so be it.

[trim scaffold]

i bet epic said the same thing about save the world

[humble depot]

also you pvp players should be happy cuz you can get your hands on pve goodies from those players

[forest vale]

I don’t see a scenario where pve isn’t the most popular experience ngl

[limber rain]

In the same boat if that’s the trajectory. Jumping the gun aside, some people celebrating a studio pivoting genres as a middle finger to the people who bought the game as advertised is weird behavior, ngl.

[sand rampart]

exactly what i said earlier.

[inland quail]

don't_believe_his_lies_memento.jpg

[hollow cosmos]

Legit. But you tried a few runs? Or just a couple?

[spiral peak]

STW was legit fun, why you gotta bring it up like that

[proven anchor]

cant sleep thinking about how i 1v3ed a team at final exfil and died with 3 gold misriahs 💔

[radiant nimbus]

LMAO

[neon nexus]

I don’t either, especially as experimental queues that strip away core extraction features have already seen good popularity

[digital crescent]

worlds first pve gold drop :3

[elfin kettle]

PvP updates in general are small and require less resources than substantial PvE updates. The entire content loop is player created so the only thing to meaningfully impact that loop is giving players new tools to engage each other with. All of those tools can be meaningfully used in PvE content as well. New maps are also just another thing shared by PvP and PvE alike That's why I don't think it's an issue.

[spiral peak]

I’m looking forward to the reddit posts crying about sweats dying to PVE casuals because they got stronger PVE gear

[sand rampart]

yeah, because this whole time it was about changing the game to suit THEIR wants lol

[grim galleon]

PVE is going to kick ass

[austere kindle]

show me

[glad cypress]

Yall are genuinely tweaking if u think they gonna completely scrap the main game to go all in for casual modes

Both is doable

At theme parks the best rides have some of the shortest lines if it’s a really big coaster

[radiant nimbus]

"don't worry guys, the wealth from pve will trickle down to pvp"

[humble depot]

not what i meant

[crisp cloak]

Don’t worry about it. Marathon lore gets confusing.

The Pfthor have an insectoid caste system empire built on slavery. Upper level castes have higher emotional intelligence and their society focuses on stoicism and obeying orders. They don’t really have much art or culture so much as the elements of it they take from other species by force.

I’ll be very curious as to what their characterization looks like in the modern era. But they’re pretty aggressive.

In Durandal’s words, they’re “tough but manageable.”

[golden viper]

“hE oNly plAyED tHe seRVer slAm”

Guess what. Majority of people who played the server slam didn’t buy the game. lol it debuted under 100k. For a Bungie game.

Complain all you want about an opinion on a video game, but the it’s the opinion of majority of players who tried the game

[neon nexus]

“Both is doable” he says as Bungie fails to do both in the grand scheme of things

[proven anchor]

i actually dont care about pve i guess i will take all their loot the moment they come back into pvp

[grave robin]

Can’t wait to just spend games examining the game world undisturbed other than UESC

[digital crescent]

i miss the part were this is wat anyone meant at all! twisting narratives wont make ur complaint any better :3

[forest vale]

What would be the incentive of grinding Pve for people who don’t play PvP? I know many destiny players would spend hours grinding for god rolls but don’t think this game will have a system like that

[radiant nimbus]

you will never see those players in pvp lmao

[inland quail]

You are bringing up good points. I'm inclined to agree with you on a majority of them

[proven anchor]

literally just larp bro

[sand rampart]

nobody even replied and you started fuming anyways lmaooo

[grim galleon]

It’s a video game.

[spiral peak]

The ‘NO REFUNDS’ responses for the whole next season are going to be great.

[golden viper]

Doesn’t matter. It’s a badly made game with a boring uninspired gameplay loop. Doesn’t matter if I played 9 matches or a 9000

[solemn quiver]

I like 2 shoot robots

[glad cypress]

Don’t we not have any pictures of the jarro

[simple juniper]

The reason pve is required in my mind: is the game is complicated. If you want to make your median player sweaty either you make solos incentivized, or have a really strong on-boarding process, or have pve. So people are forced to learn. Currently people are forced to learn and opting out bc incentives aren’t good enough The average player skill will go up doing any one of these things. Worrying about it in my view, like some people are, is raging insecurity. The best players will adapt

[sand rampart]

i wasn't talking about the people who actually enjoy the game btw. if you felt called out then maybe consider why lmfao

[golden viper]

You’re the one triggered by a dude not liking your favourite game

[proven anchor]

i guess bro

[raw igloo]

Not gonna lie I don't understand the reaction to an experiment to gauge reactions. And it's not like you already have to sell / discard a bunch of loot every fight because there's only so much bag / vault space. At most it'll raise the player loot floor in normal mode more which that happens anyway the later into a season you get.

[inland quail]

At least I'll always have dota2

[hollow cosmos]

Would you answer the question though? I’m curious not to do a gotcha on you but because clearly there’s something turning people away and I want to know how many runs they’ve tried first.

[solemn quiver]

You should love yourself a little more

[cold stump]

endgame maps like cryo should always have pvp in them

[grim galleon]

Cmon man. Do you really have to guess?

[austere kindle]

Zigs has been working on competitive games his entire life

[radiant nimbus]

ok ngl I would actually grind pve nonstop and then only play pvp when cryo is up lol

[elfin kettle]

Ye you're complaint about balancing between PvP and PvE is totally valid though and that could cause some big headaches if loot is shared 100% between the modes

[inland quail]

Dota 2 is one of the greatest games ever made

[solemn quiver]

Why lol

[frail quarry]

someone help with da performance?

[north oar]

didnt you say you played league?

[proven anchor]

i mean if u wanna fuck around and farm bots all day just for fun thats lame but whatever

[sand rampart]

that's awesome buddy. proud of you or sorry that happened

[golden viper]

It’s Irrelevant.

[inland quail]

Thanks for the discussion! It was a breath of fresh air

[digital crescent]

enjoy the game or not stick to your words and dont back pedal once called out. its such back and forth points ur just yapping about XD no one is changing anything completely to suit anyones entire needs to a completely different advertized genre :3

[raw igloo]

Granted I love to play Rook and be a scavenger, so much stuff just gets left behind in Pinwheel to rush the strongboxes.

[grave robin]

If they added sbmm the pvp crowd would change their tune quick

[simple juniper]

Nah people just want to learn guns and a playstyle median player counting everyone who bought the game is under lvl 40 bc gunplay good accessibility bad

[sand rampart]

XD :3 i'm so quirky and harmless

[hollow cosmos]

All the more reason to answer the q.

[solemn quiver]

When have I ever claimed to be a good role model

[cold stump]

because that's literally the pinnacle aspiration that the game achieves with its systems, taking away something so fundamental only to give a lesser experience to more people dilutes it

[jolly forum]

i'm also quirky and harmless >:3

[glad cypress]

The litterally said they just want the casual modes to be designed to let off steam and or to chill when u don’t feel like sweating and yall heard that they said they are removing the extraction part all together or something 🤣😭

[digital crescent]

UWU vewy so quicky

[solemn quiver]

im evil and fucked up >:3

[spiral peak]

are PVPers even skilled on the majority, or just opportunistic players who say ‘map awareness’ is a skill but just mean they hide in a corner to get the jump on someone

[jolly forum]

:3

[grim galleon]

Fun is generally the point

[proven anchor]

icl bro i wiped a bunch of lobbies today with nades and shotgun only i dont see how itll transfer but i see ur point ig

[neon nexus]

Don’t you worry, PvE Cryo is 100% happening next season

[solemn quiver]

Spawn rushing a group of blueshields isn't the pinnacle of skill lol

[golden viper]

I wasn’t keeping track of the amount of times I played during the slam. But I will say, the game is trash and didn’t play it for more than two days

[sand rampart]

buddy it's well known that map knowledge in FPS games is king. what are we talking about?

[radiant nimbus]

accessibility has nothing to do with difficulty, it's about enabling disabled people to properly engage with the game the way other players can

[humble depot]

the economy concerns are kinda invalid regardless of pve players staying with pve or coming to pvp

if pve players don't come to pvp, then they can just keep their loot and play their game without bothering you. so what if they got a gold weapon? they're not going to meet you anyway

if they do come into pvp, then the option of you killing them for their loot is still on the table cuz as you always say, gold and purple equipment isn't THAT powerful and can be beaten with lower tier gear anyway

[zealous venture]

I think all this tension could be resolved by everyone picking either Recon or Thief and making out in Dorms on Outpost.

[fringe halo]

diabolical

[limber rain]

I just like getting my balls stomped.

[glad cypress]

I would have fun killing all the bots with a biotoxic for a couple games atleast lol

[cold stump]

that literally has nothing to do with what ive said and thats even impossible for me, everyone in cryo is my skill level and have purple/gold shields

[hollow cosmos]

What are your favorite games?

[spiral peak]

Facing Worlds would like a word

[simple juniper]

I’ve heard you here and there comment, I’m certain that you are like probably top 20% in skill ofPlayers

[grim galleon]

Marathon

[proven anchor]

i do not agree with cryo being pve at all

[golden viper]

Why does it matter?

I could tell you deadlock or arc raiders or a Dreamcast game

It doesn’t matter

[inland quail]

If it stays in pve only that's okay.

I don't want to kill people with endgame loot that I know didn't have to work for it because it cheapens the experience for me

[glad cypress]

I think it’s by far the best map in the game

[simple juniper]

most people like the median player hasn’t even tried all the guns (the majority they haven’t tried)

[solemn quiver]

Oh so you play with the maximum amount of HP at all times, so you can make the most mistakes in a team fight - that's definitely skill

[cold stump]

whats even the point of cryo if there's no pvp??

[humble depot]

how would you know where they got the loot?

[spiral peak]

The dreamcast game in question… was it Seaman?

[glad cypress]

But I never said I want cryo to be pve? Sorry I read your message wrong

[proven anchor]

well duh but cryo being farmable in pve is a awful idea if they dont dumb down the loot

[pale stirrup]

won everything at the win everything factory, now i go lose it all

[cold stump]

everyone having the health the game was balanced around is skill yeah

[grave robin]

Honestly this whole time I assumed the pve and pvp economies would be separate. I wouldn’t want my pve gear to go into PvP

[hollow cosmos]

Because this Marathon is some people’s favorite game. So your opinion even if a majority isn’t universal. And generally dislike of something is correlated with like / dislike of other things.

[zealous venture]

JET SET RADIO FUTUUUUUUUUREEEEEEE (Am I right?)

[golden viper]

Any other qualifications I need before I’m allowed to dislike the game. Should I submit a form with proof?

[solemn quiver]

I like power stone

[elfin kettle]

Phantasy Star Online

[limber rain]

Preferably.

[glad cypress]

I assume it’ll be like that or it just turns into arc but worse

[inland quail]

Because I know that this is possible, so every time it happens it's cheapened.

[radiant nimbus]

wait if you don't like the game why are you here?

[sand rampart]

the exception isn't the rule. anyone who is actually decently skilled at an FPS could tell you how important it is, and downplaying it is just silly.

[spiral peak]

Skies of Arcadia… WE GOTTA GO BACK!!!

[solemn quiver]

Okay but PSO rules

[golden viper]

Well, yeah, you have the right to like the game. And I have the right to dislike it

[humble depot]

that doesn't make sense at all

[proven anchor]

lets be real tho i could hit all 7 vaults in a game if it was pve and be stupid rich and get 40k valuable everytime

[inland quail]

It really does

[solemn quiver]

This is the only thing you have ever said that I've agreed with

[elfin kettle]

Another truther! I was going back and playing it again like a month ago lol

[simple juniper]

like the games complicated, halo was very simple you had grenades gunplay and melee. And like 9 weapons. We almost have that many weapons in one category of gun in this game and a helluva lot more things to learn. Hand holding the casual to try all the weapons in a pve thing is a great thing and will make the PvP experience more competitive I promise you all

[pale stirrup]

I like the added stress from PvP

[golden viper]

Y’all need to get over a guy in the internet not liking your game. People are gonna post opinions you don’t agree with

[glad cypress]

Yea I said they should do an “open cryo” event where security clearance is gone and all the good loot is gone and maybe 3 teams

[jolly forum]

no

[grave robin]

That’s a compromise I’m completely cool with. Idk if they have the resources to make two different economies but yea. Keep PvE gear separate. Or at least compromised on load into PvP ykno

[hollow cosmos]

I didn’t say it was my favorite game.

[raw igloo]

As far as chilling goes, Rook on Dire Marsh when it's late in your timezone. Best place to just goof around.

[radiant nimbus]

like if it was just current cryo without players? yeah, probably. if it was an actual endgame pve raid? nah

[crisp cloak]

We do not. They’re the ancient race who ran for thousands of years and then were able to find ways to contain the Wrk. They uplifted the Spht with cybernetics and the Spht remain their only surviving client race.

They’re the ones we work on their behalf for in Pathways into Darkness. Their technology is also responsible for humanity’s creation of Battleroids. Something Nona is very much interested in as she pioneers new shell research.

They’re not realty around anymore. But traces and weird elements of them live on.

They may have even warned the colonists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXqIRy9-Mr8

Oh. And originally Halo’s Forerunners were the same species.

[golden viper]

This is a chat room, there are bound to be people disagreeing about a game

[long oasis]

are we ready to win today?

[solemn quiver]

pubstomp jones when can't pubstomp no more

[stark current]

W-w-why???? This isn’t destiny or an mmo type of game. It’s just a shooter

[radiant nimbus]

for now....

[proven anchor]

anyone playing pve isnt clearing a harder cryo

[cold stump]

who am i pubstomping when every single team fight is tough?

[forest vale]

I’d be willing to play Pve I just want it to be as challenging as PvP

[glad cypress]

Yea I’ve watched a ton of videos but have a problem retaining all the info lol

[sand rampart]

you seem very upset about people criticizing your endless whinging pookie

[long oasis]

it literally won’t be 💀

[golden viper]

Then too bad. Maybe look the other way when you see someone posting they don’t like the game

[hollow cosmos]

I’m genuinely curious about people who loathe the game — to what they’re comparing it, what their favorite games are etc.

I’m middle-positive about the game and sometimes love it and sometimes hate it.

[grave robin]

You’re right. I concede. I’m not here to argue just have fun

[spiral peak]

is that the map or the game you’re referring to?

[radiant nimbus]

true true

[jolly forum]

not on my watch

[crisp cloak]

Hah, there’s a lot. Drop by #📚marathon-lore-discussion sometime if you ever have questions. We’re happy to answer them.

[spiral peak]

Its discord, people SHOULD be having DISCOURSE in a place called DISCORD.

[sand rampart]

brother i'm talking about the importance of map knowledge in shooters.

[golden viper]

I think it’s boring as fuck. It lacks social deduction or any real tension. It’s just a sweaty PvP shooter where you lose loot

[glad cypress]

Cyber acme told me only I’m special so obviously my opinions matter more

[long oasis]

i want pve to have zero self revives.

[stark current]

No one likes you

[radiant nimbus]

they literally play garbage lol that's why they never wanna say what their favorite games are

[cold stump]

if they made cryo as hard as a d2 raid then it'd still be 10x easier than normal cryo

[proven anchor]

nobody cares leave please

[grave robin]

Oh man the laughs me n my two best friends are gonna have self rez or not. Can’t wait

[spiral peak]

Well I asked because I could bring up morpheus or deck16, where map knowledge isn’t as needed as skill level

[solemn quiver]

I'm gonna nerf the goo gun again

[golden viper]

You’re not the mod. Block me if you’re that triggered

[trim scaffold]

bro go play amogus wtf

[glad cypress]

Cryo is easy when u know how to play it tbh

[hollow cosmos]

So what game has the things you desire? I realize there will be no perfect games. But tell me what games have these different characteristics. Doesn’t have to be a single one

[proven anchor]

holy dweeb get a life genuinely

[radiant nimbus]

pve cryo must be like day 1 salvation's edge MINIMUM

[cold stump]

not for me bru i gotta lock the hell in

[spiral peak]

But what about Blood Gulch

[reef marsh]

its almost like cryo is as brutal as it is because pvp makes it that way

they dont even have a solo version yet because there wouldn’t be enough players for pvp to make it intense lol

[sand rampart]

his third message ever here is "game is DOA" almost exactly a year ago now. are we surprised?

[long oasis]

like i don’t mind something pve cause atleast you know you won’t be killed by a player but i feel like that the pvp in this game literally makes the game for me

[inland quail]

Make pve cryo as hard as battletoads bike level

[glad cypress]

Took a lot of trial and error and learning the map but now I know like every inch

[radiant nimbus]

ok there's no way ur good at d2 raids if you struggle with cryo lol

[simple juniper]

Lion king snes

[cold stump]

i have sherpa'd every raid and have the rarest and hardest raid title

[jolly forum]

👢

[hollow cosmos]

I think I agree with parts of this as far as room for improvement but I want to know what you mean and the shortest cognitive path to that is with comparators even if they’re imperfect.

[proven anchor]

how miserable u gotta be to come in here and just hate 😭 if it aint fun then don't play it

[sand rampart]

hello??

[grave robin]

Me too. I love the game in its current state. But my best friends, gf and daughters don’t. So now hopefully we all can enjoy the world of Marathon.

[long oasis]

if pve cryo ever happens, that’s when i throw in the towel. there’s literally no point in me playing at all anymore

[digital crescent]

were was u during the dp raid ;-;

[radiant nimbus]

cryo is only hard bc of the pvp, the pve aspect is easy af

[solemn quiver]

What's your favorite kind of breakfast cereal

[simple juniper]

Coagulation*

[hollow cosmos]

Tell ur daughters 2 man the f up

[cold stump]

i know cryo really well and feel like i have a great mind for tactics but fights can be rough especially cuz i never have a misriah

[grave robin]

Lmaooo

[inland quail]

2nd of June

[glad cypress]

I started cryo with 30 frags yesterday and I’m down to 7

[cold stump]

FINALS WEEK, i love dp i have like 80 hours in that raid alone

[hollow cosmos]

My son (2 and one day) doesn’t get his cracker snackies unless he clutches a 3 v 1 twice per day

[errant ibex]

Man fuck you

[sand rampart]

I didn't play the shit out of blood gulch but i certainly can tell you that even on something simple like 2fort map knowledge gives you an advantage.

[radiant nimbus]

oh yeah well I solo flawlessed TWO dungeons so nyeh

[cold stump]

oh woah i got the pre-nerf turbine barter so i started with like 120 frags, down to 90 something now

[simple juniper]

Yeah and unconscious confidence to make plays

[glad cypress]

I got a biotoxic and gold shield off a team just because of frags lmao

[cold stump]

i dont even use my guns unless i have a really easy pick i play like a grenadier

[errant ibex]

Ay i mean if its meta use it LOL

[reef marsh]

one of those is useful at least

[north oar]

30? thats rookie numbers, i got a stack of every nade and 3 stacks of frags

[glad cypress]

I had a turbine barter yesterday too but wasn’t nerfed one 🙁

[proven anchor]

if you dont have 300+ nades ur doin it wrong

[sand rampart]

if you play the same map over and over you are not going to be thinking "wait which way do I need to go here?" you're going to more or less know exactly where you need to be

[simple juniper]

I think..Vandal is the most broken shell. That and thief, and destroyer. Because of the movement

[cold stump]

they only give you 30 now when they used to give you 90

[inland quail]

For one turbine?

[glad cypress]

Right 🤣
The biotoxic is just a trophy fr

[radiant nimbus]

um no

[cold stump]

90 max, for 9 turbines until the barter ran out

[hollow cosmos]

It seems like maybe you’re afraid to get piled on if you say you’re mostly comparing eg to arc raiders but of COURSE it makes sense to compare to the most successful extraction shooter of all time

[sterile siren]

Something something the next season will have a cardi b collab something something

[reef marsh]

frag grenades doing more damage than it, is a really sad state for the gun

[velvet lichen]

Btw can we not lock everything for rook behind late game progression like who tf is running rook at level 200 max everything why arent rook upgrades somewhere else

[simple juniper]

Yup then flanking and tactics can start becoming more of a thing

[glad cypress]

I don’t like the meta but it’s abuse or get abused on for better or worse

[errant ibex]

Nope, personally i think its destroyer. Vandal is kinda ehh

[inland quail]

thanks

[zealous venture]

The answer is simple: I bet the entire house, and need to rebuild after The Lose Everything factory does its job.

[cold stump]

but its been nerfed now, its like 6 turbines for 30 nades

[languid veldt]

I always hated the rook upgrades because they didn’t benefit me 😭 wish we got better rewards for maxing faction tiers

[reef marsh]

i mean tbh, i usually run rook and try to salvage a good purple kit from outpost when im bored and wanna do fills

[long oasis]

the whole reason i play is for pvp interactions. sure i might versus level 350+ players but sometimes i win and thats fun. but literally only pve will make me sad, like i just really dont want it at all in the game, thats just my opinion tho.

[simple juniper]

Is it because of certain cores and mobility ?

[inland quail]

How many nades are you bringing?

[solemn quiver]

Dude cryo is the pinnacle of skill, I spam grenades and I win I'm so cool and good at video games

[mellow granite]

You can choose not to play PvE. It's not forced
Just saying

[languid veldt]

The pvp gets mah heart racing

[zinc vector]

Hell yeah

[inland quail]

If only it was that easy

[cold stump]

i wish

[glad cypress]

Usually my purple backpack is completely full other than 2 slots for the coolant as I’m always the one tasked with it

[digital crescent]

wester was the champ in cryo. misriah was in wstrs shadow until the nerf

[jolly forum]

SENTINEL LEGS TOO SKINNY

[raw igloo]

Also Rook is just fun to goof around with and get salvage without risking other gear. (Seriously, need blue salvage? Rook, Pinwheel, go over cleared wings. Teams skip so many containers. Dire Marsh for lenses. Also leftovers from key rooms.)

[long oasis]

well i do hope that’s the case, i hope they don’t make it something forced

[velvet lichen]

Ong I do the same but why tf is my rook a little baby boy with nothing and why does rooks tactical have a 80 second cooldown at the start of a raid I get its suppose to be like a scavenger but holy shit guys giving a rook every negative thing you can is CRAZY

[hollow cosmos]

You have to look at the bigger picture. What if pve brings in a large number of new people who would never have touched the game and then some fraction of those eventually add pvp to their rotation

[eager siren]

Ima be real with you this person is not looking for a 2 sided discussion nothing of substance will gained here.

Your free to keep going I just thought to let you know

[languid veldt]

I think it’s too late for player acquisition :/

[radiant nimbus]

they will not

[cold stump]

i like how you point out lenses specifically because you know everyone needs like 30 of those

[forest vale]

Ammo pack should let you hold one extra grenade per stack. Bungie should really hire me

[inland quail]

I'm finally off work

@glad cypress cousin let's go bowling cryo

[hollow cosmos]

And you have what data on this?

[solemn quiver]

My rook strategy early wipe was to live in hauler

[mellow granite]

They said it's a different experimental queue. So you can stop worrying about it.

[solar eagle]

The damage arc raiders has done to the multiplayer sphere should be studied. À whole new generation of gamer that refuses to play any form of pvp. Wild stuff.

[languid veldt]

2 more days until cryo is available 😭😭

[radiant nimbus]

I'm someone who loves pve and I'm telling you pve players will not touch pvp lol

[stark current]

I like my sloppy seconds that people leave behind when I Rook it up

[reef marsh]

ye i genuinely think rook needs some progression buffs and should be stronger early. so i dont disagree

we’ll see though for s2 because i think they’re gonna focus more on pve for people to build up the floor they want unfortunately

[velvet lichen]

No cooldowns barely any gear or meds + rook tactical is kinda buns + 1v3 every engagement

[raw igloo]

I still need more for MIDA upgrades, they need so many lenses. ;_;

[solemn quiver]

Dude touch grass lol

[solar eagle]

There’s one.

[hollow cosmos]

Possible. I wonder what data the Bungie / Sony strategists are crunching. They must be predicting something.

[languid veldt]

Arachne is the best, I have +40 damage on melee thanks to them

[solemn quiver]

It's for all the eye graffiti

[glad cypress]

I’m at work for another 9 hours

[stark current]

Rook is just fine and doesn’t need buffs or progression increases tbh. Just like get gud?

[radiant nimbus]

?

[thorn hearth]

I love PVP. I just love PVP that doesn't involve 15-20 minutes between fights that are over in seconds, typically after I've been got by someone who's more adderall than blood at this point.

[oak rain]

Pvp games are some of the most popular games out right now. People dont like playing MARATHON

[errant ibex]

I mean you can do alot more with destroyer shell LOL, vandal slide is kinda ehh since you cant aim while sliding and that leads to alot of disadvantage situations. The only time ill use vandal is to rat on people opening pinwheel

[mellow granite]

Remember Rooks role is to scavenge.

[languid veldt]

Frrrr. I actually love this game but the player count graph is actually horrendous 😭

[inland quail]

damn those timezones

[solar eagle]

???? Why are you even in here.

[north oar]

my man has apparently never heard of any genre outside of pvp shooters, i weep for what has been lost

[velvet lichen]

He's right unironically hes right but It was 100% streamers that did it not the game itself Arc Raiders is a stain on the extraction genre and most likely the reason the genre as a whole is bleeding players these are supposed to be challenging hardcore games if arc raiders was your first you probably wont play them anymore

[hollow cosmos]

Anecdote / personal experience. Quite possibly modal experience but if even a fraction of new intake players go to pvp it’s a win for pvpers as long as that pipeline is thicker than the pvp to pve pipe.

[errant ibex]

Truth nuke

[raw igloo]

Oh, another Rook tactic. Signal mask kicks back in quickly enough that you can just go on a knifing spree against bots if you hit them from behind. The big ones don't turn that quickly.

[glad cypress]

I’d argue it’s just really hard to pull sweats off their favorite game they have put a lot of time and money into

I’d say it’s harder than making a good game

[hollow cosmos]

….. bruh

[solemn quiver]

I mean I started with tarkov lol

[simple juniper]

Are there any movement cancels or physics tricks destroyer can do

[proven anchor]

this is the best fps in at least the last 5+ years u can't change my mind

[glad cypress]

Esp when they heard this game is just gonna die

[inland quail]

Majority of pvp games have dedicated fans who play those games and don't want to branch out too much

[sand rampart]

Wow people put time and effort into their hobbies? No, they're sweats.

[radiant nimbus]

yep, people would rather play a mediocre game they're familiar with than risk trying out a new game they're not familiar with, ESPECIALLY when pvp is involved

[solar eagle]

Are you being obtuse on purpose? Clearly I have no problem with pve games, but arc has introduced an entire new group of people that want every single pvp game to conform to a pve centric design.

[zealous venture]

Modern gamers will never understand Weiss instilling virtue in them. You're right to weep 😭

[languid veldt]

I’d say battlefield 6, I do love this game tho

[hollow cosmos]

Legend has it if u rocket boost like u mean it his square booty jiggles