Heynckes

[teal rivet]

Also does the second half of his passive just do nothing against bosses?

[spark mural]

@plain karma do you use fortune for speeds or wealth?

[rapid night]

if it's just for difficulty 10 in waste or ring then both of them works for speed farming around 5-6 min mark most runs

[spark mural]

Its more for CA31 speeds

[plain karma]

for speedrunning stick to fortune till you have your stats finished

[spark mural]

Tyty

[iron elm]

Guys what materials do i need to modify a traits?

[lunar coyote]

why tho? cuz i do 0 damage with fortune compared when i use wealth

[lunar coyote]

what is the best weapon for heynckes zero nova or virus darkstar?

[spark mural]

Zero nova

[lunar coyote]

aight thx

[spark mural]

Security arbiter buffs the dmg for it by 20% btw

So its good to pair with wealth or fortune

But you have to pick the active security perks like the dodge the E and the C

[hasty hemlock]

best security is dodge and E

you want fortune or wealth C

[lunar coyote]

aight thx

[hazy terrace]

Is it good ?

[primal rune]

do i go for a full weapon build or a weapon/skill combo

[weak barn]

🤩

[modest flame]

Full weapon is better

[split bronze]

always either weapon or skill only for any rogueteers

[lunar coyote]

what the best relic to go for heynckes?

[primal rune]

seems decent

[lunar coyote]

this would be better

[primal rune]

Oh yeah crit is smth I also need to focus on

[hazy terrace]

No wep Crit damage ?

[lunar coyote]

i have 112

don't got crit rate tho

[hazy terrace]

Im blind 🤣

And no Crit rate is ok ?

[lunar coyote]

not really

i got a bit crit now

sacrified some crit dmg for crit rate

[lethal badge]

hi

whats the best potential for him?

[plain karma]

mag power, if you cant get that amped weapon then crit nova

[wraith kiln]

what's the best relics to use for Heynckes?

[azure lantern]

Is this good?

[bronze tide]

nope discard

[storm geode]

that build was doing 50mil a shot

but do need the 200% weak point dmg on top of it

crazy dmg

[bronze tapir]

Ik stats are not ideal but is the perk good or bad for ult spam heynckes?

[storm geode]

ult spam heynckes idk if that even is dmg efficient

thats good for blade tho

[tranquil gorge]

Can someone explain his passive? I can't really tell what its doing. It says it "drops" something, but I don't see anything. And I don't know if/what the buff indicator lookks like. And it says the projectiles home in, but I can't see that effect happening. They appear to be like normal bullets.

Nvm, It was just real subtle

[tranquil gorge]

Back again, is the frost gun right click really as broken as it seems? It seems like it just gives you another projectile for free? Does it shoot slower or something?

[rough brook]

is this good enough for wealth ?

[empty stump]

no. not good enough, maybe aquire some better modules before trying wealth and stick to fortune until then 👍

[rough brook]

stat can do later.
you should answer what I actually ask.

[empty stump]

you should read the first 4 words

[rough brook]

so what is good then ?

[empty stump]

but also you have 4 immortals so i assumed u are being sarcastic

thats definitely good enough

ultimate wealth + 1 more immortal is probably good enough IMO, just make sure you get your 3k

[plain karma]

until i get the heyn mod i cant vouch for it so my wealth setup for traits is the wealth immo, fire rate immo, 150% dmg immo and 200% mag immo

but i also hit crit cap through stats

in an ideal world i would have crit dmg, weapon dmg, enough crit rate and fire rate then rest mag size for the stats

but wealth is heavily dependant on already having good stats

where as fortune you dont need perfect stats

wealth also relys heavily on rng as you need to get good perks and item drops because you dont touch the shop at all

[rough brook]

Yes, but because I don't want to double invest in both fortune and wealth build. I'm ok with skipping fortune

[rough brook]

what is your suggestion for relic and perk ?

[plain karma]

fortune you dont need the immo for

my fortune build i run 150% weapon dmg, fire rate, mag size and 80% crit immos

when i get the heyn immo il be swapping the crit immo out

for relics you want either 6 bows, 6 amulets or as much mag size 2 pieces you can get

[rough brook]

no cat ? is it because too much weapon damage ?

[plain karma]

perks you want the wealth C, CA you start with the perk that gives you more dmg then you want the one that raises the lowest dmg you can get from wealth, then other than that would be ice mag size, evade and E for the weapon buffs and any crit perks

cats are great but not as good as bows and i rarely ever see them when running wealth because you dont have blues or purples like you do with the others

[rough brook]

so go for first perk wealth C

[plain karma]

and as youre not using shop youre relying on drops

unless youre like 4/6

[rough brook]

what about shoot wealth do I need to buy upgrade or no

[plain karma]

no dont buy anything

the 4 perk upgrades you get go to that

[rough brook]

is this include relic from shop ?

[plain karma]

if youre getting alot of gold and go over 10k then grab upgrades from last shop

yea dont even open the first shop

unless somehow you get 4 bows

sometimes il check the shop with the 0 cost refreshes but my CA runs i have shop purchases maxed so its super expensive

for potentials emergency reserves is bis for any weapon build, then mag power then crit nova or amped weapon

the potential perk refresh is normally the only place i spend gold

[rough brook]

for module stat (without trait)
rate of fire 70%
crit rate 50%
crit damage 300%+
weapon damage 150%+
Is this a good baseline to follow ?

[plain karma]

what about mag size?

[rough brook]

so need mag size as well

[plain karma]

mag size will give you a huge weapon dmg boost

[rough brook]

how much you recommend

[plain karma]

ER gives 3% weapon dmg for each 1% mag size

with no cap

so even just 100 mag size gives 300% weapon dmg

[rough brook]

what is ER ?

[plain karma]

emergency reserve

potential perk

[rough brook]

so that you aim for with heynck

[plain karma]

i currently have 270% mag size

but i run the 200% mag size immo

would say atleast 100%

and you will also get alot from items

1 grey mag cap item will give you 60% weapon dmg

[rough brook]

isn't it better to use 200% mag immortal then than 10% per 10kills 15 stacks ?

[plain karma]

yea

[rough brook]

another reshape hell

[plain karma]

yea would just try get atleast weapon dmg and weapon crit dmg on it

[rough brook]

at least I haven't invest reroll stat yet

[plain karma]

i mean with having that many bad stats you could get lucky

losing weapon dmg isnt that big of a deal as its not in the starred spot

so you could then get lucky and get it in there

[rough brook]

I kinda broke on coin

hate doing S10

[plain karma]

if youre not wanting anything from event buy the coins

1 shell for 300

[rough brook]

already did

[plain karma]

im sat on 50k coins waiting for heyn mod

[rough brook]

this is my 3rd character that I try to build

[plain karma]

just need it to drop red or orange

[rough brook]

so kinda broke because of that

[plain karma]

yea i have a built aurora, gloria, heyn and colonel

[rough brook]

which build you have on colonel

I can't make it work unless music

[plain karma]

the skill build with his fragile

yea its just music

once thats gone then its going to be thunder cubie weapon

[rough brook]

I got fragile, skill dmg, skill dmg and weakpoint

also tried fragile skill dmg skill dmg music first perk as well

my heynck gonna be super frail
take 20% more damage
20% less hp

[plain karma]

i always run that

[rough brook]

I mean that from trait alone

[plain karma]

oh yea well the CA ones make you one shot pretty much anyway

[rough brook]

now it 50% all if I take that from CA

[plain karma]

so even more one shot doesnt matter xD

just dont get hit

[rough brook]

you need to facing hit like a man

[faint stirrup]

ok someone help me understand this perk collection tree. start wealth bullets and reload i think then get fortune for the minor skill and pray for security for dodge and primary skills

or am I supposed to start something else in CA

[plain karma]

wealth is endgame

so it depends on what floor youre running and your stats/traits

if you cant do without the crit or dont have the immortals then its better to stick with fortune

especially when youre just trying to clear to 50

wealth is more for dmg pushing

[faint stirrup]

well im more trying to build the perfect carry save for CoD

one sec getting my stats

[plain karma]

ok if youre talking about CoD saves youre going to be restarting alot for good rng with wealth as you ignore the shops

[plain karma]

i normally run fortune for carry builds unless i get a good setup when im running it randomly

what traits/immos do you have

[rough brook]

wealth kinda forced you to do all mob

[plain karma]

yea i would say youre deffinetly lacking in the immos, fortune immo isnt worth running

[faint stirrup]

i figured

but the stats on it

[plain karma]

you want to get the fire rate and mag size immos

yea the stats you have are good

but with those stats and not having the immos yet i would stick to fortune

[plain karma]

you can easily carry with what you have on fortune

[faint stirrup]

yea so why dont we use security?

[plain karma]

we already have more than enough ways to get weapon dmg

[faint stirrup]

ah fair enough

[plain karma]

the weapon dmg you get from the shoot perk is great but then limits how much crit multi you can get

if we had a 200% crit multi immo then security could be alot more viable

[faint stirrup]

I could see that

sad the security buff he gets only works on actives

[plain karma]

yea which is why i take the evade and E perk

[faint stirrup]

its still rng luck to get that

[plain karma]

the evade already gives you extra weapon dmg ontop of the passive so its the perfect perk

[faint stirrup]

love the dodge

[plain karma]

yea its rng but most runs i end up with it

[faint stirrup]

i want your luck I get music and desire alot on him

[plain karma]

aslong as you dont take the E first or other perks the pool for security perks stays small

[faint stirrup]

my luck is always the first perk I get after my free fortune is one of those for the wrong arbitor then if I dont take it I dont get to see the second perk offer

[plain karma]

if you get a bad perk first just leave it

clear the 2nd core

then select a perk for the E if you still dont get security

then go back and refresh it

and you'll get a passive

[faint stirrup]

clear the core?

[plain karma]

in CA

clear the 2nd mob spawner

your first perk after your garaunteed one will always be a slot perk

[faint stirrup]

ah fair enough thats what i just started doing as those determine what the build is going to do

[plain karma]

so you can leave it there and clear both then choose which one you want

[faint stirrup]

um are you sure when I grab it with my always get fortune its always a passive

[plain karma]

after you get your fortune perk

the first perk will always be a slot perk

you can also take energy mag with fortune

so you have 2 options

when youre running fortune

if youre running wealth then it can be a passive

its only if your garaunteed perk is the same as what you started with

[rough brook]

how long does heyncks weapon skill last ?

[plain karma]

so if you start with wealth and have a garunteed wealth perk you will get either passive or perk from the wealth then the 2nd perk will always be a slot perk

5s usagi

[rough brook]

ty

[plain karma]

same as the CD for it

[rough brook]

so use it off cd ?

[plain karma]

depends on your mag size

i use it on reload as you can reload and cast at same time when you have a small mag

if you have a large mag then i alternate between the reload and C

you can use it to animation cancel your C

so you start with it then when it runs out use C and it again then by the time that ones done you reload and use it

and repeat

[faint stirrup]

see music lol

[plain karma]

thats fine

you got the important perks, and even the legendary

just dont run it with a colonel in the team

his E weaken breaks it

[faint stirrup]

thought that weaken was only good for him?

[plain karma]

no his E makes it weak for the team

[faint stirrup]

but I have the desire perk that makes me do more damage to debuffed enemies would that count as well

[plain karma]

no thats fine

colonels E turns the whole target into a weakpoint

which messes with that legendary perk for some reason

[faint stirrup]

yea my buddy i play with says he doesnt get weakpoint damage after I do that

whne I ran colonel

[plain karma]

yea you dont get the weakpoint dmg but you get the weaken effect

but for some reason its bugging out things like that legendary perk and other things

i do less dmg while colonels E is active

with skill builds it doesnt matter

but for weapon builds it does

[faint stirrup]

is killing power even any good?

[plain karma]

not really no, stackable 1% weapon power up to 200% which you cant even kill that many in CA

even start of standards theres still plenty that are better

[faint stirrup]

i mean was doing 45mill a weakpoint hit per bullet

[plain karma]

yea but thats nothing to do with killing power

[faint stirrup]

random items but it somehow worked

[plain karma]

that would be the legendary perk, the transform crit to crit dmg, the wealth perks and the bow

if you had a better potential you would be doing closer to 80mil

[faint stirrup]

Sob

[plain karma]

but aslong as you clear thats all that matters

[faint stirrup]

but I want more carry builds lol so I can 9,9,9 hard

[plain karma]

you cant do 9/9/9

[faint stirrup]

oh 6,6,6

[plain karma]

youre forced to use a slot

yea

[faint stirrup]

so right item righter perks but got slighted by the potential cause I also have the cubie weapon and all damage perks

also thought wealth was supposed to generate more coin but I usually end up with less coin then just running fortune

[winged magnet]

this ok?

[azure lantern]

Where to farm Heyn mods?

[faint stirrup]

some people say Jory CoD hard

I keep getting gloria from him though

[split zenith]

i think its just complete RNG

[rapid night]

what is heynckes other charecter spefic passives beside savior's power: spray and pray?

[rough brook]

I don't have a picture but something relate to skill power x2

it has 100 stacks

for heyncks music

[rapid night]

gross

but thanks

[azure lantern]

The +80% CRI and + 150% Weapon Damage ain't showing on my stats does this only applies when inside the game alrdy?

[rough brook]

yes

also don't forgot your ability module

it only appear in game as well

[azure lantern]

This one's already maxed out

[rough brook]

I think you need a bit of rate of fire stat as well

but I'm not heynck main so don't believe me

[azure lantern]

this is my stat in game

[rough brook]

rate of fire cap at 250%
your are 130%

so your bullet is almost 50% slower

that half of the damage

[azure lantern]

@rough brook is there a module trait that gives fire rate?

[rough brook]

there is but you better find it from module stat (skyedge/sentinel)

heynck rate of fire cap is too low to make a use from module trait

[azure lantern]

I guess I better off remove some of my crit rate I currently have 148%

[rough brook]

@plain karma I miss a bit crit dmg because I too lazy to fix 4 good line purple module

this should be good enough right ?

[rough brook]

why it feel like wealth isn't go to for CA50

[split zenith]

Anyone else have issue when you hold down shoot button and it just stops firing so you need to press LMB again?

[rough brook]

I don't have that problem

but it might happen when your ammo reach 0 then you restore some ammo from your perk or kill mob with weakpart damage then restore ammo

[plain karma]

these are my near final stats for those wanting something to reference for building weapon heyn (i currently am still rolling mods to remove bad stats), in optimal mod setup with perfect rolls you will want weapon crit damage in your first slot on all mods that are starred, weapon damage in 2nd if you can get them starred, after that you will want mag capacity on all 3rd slots/possible starred slot, for the final spot youre wanting to get 1 fire rate to hit cap then the rest weakspot damage, this is for running fortune starter perk which most people will want to do, wealth is something for those with near perfect stats and immos, it has alot higher damage ceiling but relies alot on you already having great stats and rng drops and perks due to you not touching the shops

this is a tier list of perks you want (or hope to get) starting with S as your largest damage increase and something you would want to refresh for, A have a large damage increase for you, B are something you can just grab for slight increases and C is more perks that will just help, the magazines are something you just want for your first perk pickup, you will want to prio passives over any perk slots so you can easily level your shoot perk. (i have left off the names as it would be too cluttered and theres many people that use other languages, you can see what the perks are exactly through data bank)

this is a legendary item/set tier list, any legendary not on the list isnt worth picking up, the items are in order as what are the best for this setup, D legendary items are just for set filling and wont give you any benefit, if you cant get sets then in order of stats you will want mag capacity > crit damage > weapon damage (if you can get the S rank potential perk, if you dont get it then go for crit damage).

this is the tier list for potential perks, always roll for emergency reserves until the last page then choose from the rest as emergency reserves is leagues above anything else currently.

this is just a tier list for starter perks that work well with weapon heyn.

for those wondering how well these setups work i currently hold 1st place heyn on both standard leaderboards (wasteland ahead by over 1 minute 30), i havent ran CA50 times and wont until music has been nerfed

[rough brook]

no +1 projectile count ?

[plain karma]

dont have it

[tough fiber]

Has the even been big updates or anything yet, I haven't been back on for a while and last thing I remember doing was CA50 and altF4-ing lol

[rough brook]

if anything that change. it got worst.

Less player. Stuttering still exist.

[hasty hemlock]

what the stat priority for heyn again? crit ?

[rough brook]

Weapon damage (need to be on every pieces)
Weapon crit dmg (need to be on every pieces)
Weapon crit rate (need around 50-70, can only find this on yellow and purple)
Weapon rate of fire (need around 70-120, can only find this from yellow and purple)
After that get some (weakpoint damage, magazine size, reload speed)
** it also good to have magazine size around 200% because amount of time you empty those magazine and weapon skill buff duration is similar but more magazine size mean you scale better with emergency reload potential

[hasty hemlock]

ahh, so i need to kiss rngesus feet everynight XD?

[rough brook]

Only yellow and purple you need pefect rng

Red and blue you are good to go with 2 lines

[hasty hemlock]

still rng XD

btw, why blue?

isn't blue skill power?

[rough brook]

for trait, and higher stat from roll.

Heynck trait

• his module + 1 projectile
• Arbiter first perk Wealth (if you play wealth)
• Weapon damage 150%
• Weapon damage 10% 15 stacks / Magazine capacity 200% / (up to your choice)

[hasty hemlock]

lol, those immortal trait T.T is a pain

[rough brook]

so if you don't have those just stick with no [blue] build

[hasty hemlock]

k

[hasty hemlock]

what consider a perfect clear?

i ran this 3 time and pretty sure i have perfect clear, but it doesn't count

[rough brook]

clear time less than 26 minutes but it might be bug, try relog

[hasty hemlock]

ok

[hasty hemlock]

still not work 🙁

[hasty hemlock]

this + emergency reserve probably the best combo O.o0

[low nimbus]

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[quaint crystal]

Hi , your build is with 1st or 2nd weapon?

[plain karma]

2nd weapon

[quaint crystal]

ty