Jaren Ward Discussion - Builds/Weapons/Artifacts

[warped sentinel]

With Jaren Ward now confirmed to be the next 5 star, this can be a place to discuss.
What artifacts are we pre-grinding to prepare for his hinted mechanics?

[stark canopy]

i'm personally waiting to see what artifact set he brings with him

[warped sentinel]

If only NetEase did any marketing for the new characters we might know what to expect.

[coral sandal]

Has anyone confirmed what exotic was in the trailer? It didn't look like Last Word to me

[warped sentinel]

I think it was confirmed that no exotics were in the trailer. Both weapons (pistol and shotgun) are weapons that are already available

[stark canopy]

just like in helhest or maru trailers they weren't showing any exotic, but last word will be the exotic pass weapon standing to leaks

[coral sandal]

Pretty sure Helhest had Trinity in the trailer, but otherwise yeah

[stark canopy]

true for helhest, but maru showed only mythic weapons

[grand light]

Good ones are always Inverted guard and Ring of safeguarding for close range characters in terms of defensives

[bleak crescent]

Out of the 4 in the new perturbation artifact set, which would be good for Jaren theoretically? The damage ones seem not bad considering it affects all damage instead of just weapon or abilities

[stark canopy]

1st slot is pretty good, 3rd and 4th are pretty balanced and buff everything, i would consider vigilant planetesimal or bellicose veil in 3rd slot if you're going for t6

[rotund briar]

Is the grenade throw a movement ability bc I might use Nimble Veil or Valient Veil

Also might recommend for Jaren either Hawkeye Token or Belicose Planestesimal since he has 2 charges for the grenade throw

[bleak crescent]

The 3rd slot artifact is for movement so its likely other movement artifacts may trigger for the dodge/grenade ability

[shut tartan]

Bulwark token, ring of conversion(if it works)/ healing pertubation, Courageous Planetesimal and Rampaging Planetesimal

I was thinking about it but....
The perfect set for him is the newest. cause he can get 50% damage bonus(applied for super)

I just think they could add new perk when you use 4 pieces of the same type of artifact. Like genshin, zzz or star rail....

[undone mortar]

check your DM requests, hope you don't mind

[shut tartan]

Seems eriana's vow

[shut tartan]

LAST WORD, we couldn't see when its on fire

[undone mortar]

I thought I couldn't send images here

In fact I can't, how did you send that one?

[shut tartan]

Just clicking in "send image"

[undone mortar]

I'll DM you mate, hope you don't mind

[sudden robin]

I think you need to level up in this server to send pictures to this channel.

[shut tartan]

T1 worth? 30% is not a big thing

[high wind]

What's everyone's thoughts on the new artifact for slot 2 vs unrelenting evolution

[shut tartan]

healing pertubation is much better

[sweet mirage]

how does it compare to nourishing

and does rampaging proc on him

[rotund briar]

Anyone tested if Old Perfect or TLW is better?

[umbral inlet]

Nimble veil, healing pertubation, valiant pertubation, valiant veil build?

on jump blind reload skill:
-42% damage resistance for 3s
+50% damage

+constant 22% heal from precision damage from <20m targets

[split palm]

Gonna be running resolute conj, healing veil, valiant pertub and obstructing pertub. Generally seems more ease of use and longer uptime

[rotund briar]

Plus what's everyone's favourite TLW ornament skin?

Mines Titanium plated

[stark canopy]

i really like rose gold

[ashen walrus]

So that’s a decent drop.

[shut kettle]

Jesus Christ that’s like a perfect roll lol

[rotund briar]

Crazy Godroll drop

[high wind]

Is T1/T2 worth? 30% doesn't sound that crazy and he seems to have a lot of healing already.

[coral sandal]

How good is Last Word without the final band? Debating f2p exotic options and that band will take a few months to get access to

[high wind]

Feels pretty strong to me. But I don't have a built prefect/crimson/mythic to compare it to lol

[worthy mesa]

Happy Jaren day

I have been using prefect and it's been performing well, only have it on cat2 at the moment though and haven't compared it to Last Word

[coral sandal]

I've been trying a (poorly built) Octant and it feels alright, good burst damage with the dodges. Better than Prefect to me but I didnt like prefect's limited range

[shut tartan]

few months like 2 years???
without band 1?

[coral sandal]

If I'm correct, to get band 2 takes like 4 months buying only this BP or about another year without spending at all

Band 1 is doable for anyone who saved previous free BP tokens. I don't know how much faster spending black market coins would be, but that doesn't seem worth the photons you lose out one

[shut tartan]

2 years if you want to get weapon that is not in the battle pass currently and without buying it

cause you only get 10 weapon token for a month

60 each one

[high wind]

Soooo talisman of luxuriance works for him

Not sure how it stacks up to other slot 2 but you definitely get overshields

[coral sandal]

Right, but if you're playing during the bp you get one for free and can buy the discounted one, which makes it 14 months

[topaz juniper]

game back after not playing for a really long time, how is jaren at 0 dupes? got lucky and pulled him immediately

[stark canopy]

he's ok i guess, most damage comes from weapons anyway

[topaz juniper]

At what dupe level does he become really good?

[stark canopy]

i mean t1, t3 and t4 are good

t3 is a good stopping point

so you either go t3 or t6 at this point

[topaz juniper]

Ok gotcha, ty

[shut tartan]

they should fix this visual bug

[warped sentinel]

I....I kinda like it.

[clever stream]

Its interesting, Ive heard others say stop at 2, 4 or 6

[stark canopy]

outside t5 they're all decent upgrades, it's up to you in the end

[delicate cave]

I thought t4 as well, but ppl saying it’s not worth it because welling light isn’t up alot of the time

Thoughts on valiant veil vs obstructing in slot 4?

[stark canopy]

obstructing imo, has more uptime

[night glacier]

Yeah that's why I didn't max out his weapon mastery. Doesn't seem to have enough uptime for 8 clusters

[delicate cave]

But less reliable maybe?

[high wind]

Have come to the conclusion that it's a really solid choice. Has been coming in clutch on 30-40 expanse

[grand light]

if you want something fun to play with and you have him at t6 your can run vigilant phantasmal in spot 3 and play a fun minigame with a powerfull upside

[stark canopy]

i think it's fine, in the end all you have to do is dodging near an enemy, you wanna be close range anyway

[shut tartan]

I saw a video on youtube saying to change Valiant pertubation(3 slot) to Belicose veil... and dude............ IT'S BROKEN

It's like my Q turns into a second ultimate

Ultimate stills super damage tho, not like 50%, just 25% because of Obstructing Perturbation, but now my Q does a LOT of damage
like EMOTIONAL DAMAGE.

https://tenor.com/view/papaco-pistoleiro-papaco-grin-stare-gif-13862119

so... Calming Perturbation + Healing Perturbation + Bellicose Veil + Obstructing Perturbation

If I could get double solar to enhance my ability damage or Weapon Enhancement(it would combo with healing perturbation)
I would be so happy, need to change in the future

[night glacier]

That's nice to hear because I've been running Bellicose Veil simply because it was the best slot 3 Solar Exotic Artifact I have.

Also with Rampaging Radiation because I happened to have a god roll Solar Exotic for that. And yea the Q's go hard!!

I definitely want to swap out Unrelenting for Healing Perturbation ASAP to help heal my Rampaging Radiation. Until I get a good roll on Obstructing Perturbation to replace it.

Very much a WIP but I don't think I'll be replacing Bellicose Veil anytime soon.

[clever stream]

Why Calming vs Resolute Conjunction? Understand its a 3% difference, but Resolute is always up as long as you're within the same range right?

[shut tartan]

take -35% damage is different than gain damage resistance

Also, I hope they add a special effect when you use at least 3 artifacts of the same set...

[clever stream]

What is the practical difference in the end between the two?

[shut tartan]

I can't say properly buddy... But if the name is different, the effect either.

For example

reduce enemy defense is different than increase enemy damage taken

seems equal, right? But is different

I would love to know why the name is different, what are they planning to do?

[median geode]

Can we discuss weapons!?

What is the best combo for Arc/ Void content?

Crimson or Octane?

How’s Empty Fort?

My goal is to have Jaren be able to play almost all content will the best weapon setup besides just using double solar.

[stark canopy]

i suppose you have t6, cause if you don't you only have 1 charge of blazing shot every 18 seconds, i would personally go for valiant perturbation unless he's t6

[night glacier]

Resolute Conjunction is only effective while using your shotgun.

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Oh yeah forgot about the bit where you have to go outside of the range and back in. So it's not just simply swap back to the shotgun and get the buff again.

[copper trench]

That was probably changed with the update

[copper trench]

I'm pretty sure they're the same, it's just the descriptions being inconsistent. Here's a comparison between calming and resolute

[night glacier]

Is that reduced damage then?

If that's the case, then yeah not sure what the point of calming is 😅

[night glacier]

Does this actually activate calming? It needs precision damage to activate and I'm not sure if shooting a Shinkas bubble applies 🤔 Resolute might apply if you're using the shotgun and enter close range while wielding it

Damage difference there could be from a slight difference in range since the damage from precision Shinkas increases based on how far away you are from them.

[copper trench]

Calming

Resolute

The damage is consistent, the other tester either did something wrong or they changed how these weapon type specific sets work with the last update

[copper trench]

Shooting from the exact same spot

[shut tartan]

T1 only

But I don't have SUPER all the time, so, I guess having great damage on my Q(blazing shot) is very good

And I love the feel when I use blazing shot, and the SUPER damage stills very high

[bleak crescent]

Have u tried testing resolute and calming damage reduction with the dodge ability damage resist procced? Idk if it stacks in the same way or does it stack more with calming's damage resist

[stark canopy]

yeah blazing shot animation is really cool, if they happen to buff it by a decent amount i'll probably put bellicose veil too

[shut tartan]

you can't use both, they're in the same slot, slot 1

Oh, understood the question now

[bleak crescent]

I meant separately sorry

[shut tartan]

yes, I understood

I don't have the resolution but you'll be shooting ever so...

[copper trench]

It's the same

[bleak crescent]

Ah that's good to know. Thanks

[clever stream]

That’s really good to know thanks

[clever stream]

Sorry so to use resolute you need to swap to your shotgun? Honestly with how much more I’m using last word I would rather just get precision shots than remembering to swap

So at this point is it just use his new set across the board?

[night glacier]

I guess it might have been fixed according to the above. Haven't watched the videos or tested it myself yet.

[night glacier]

Yeah I guess it must be fixed then. It's silly to use Calming if that's the case. Because you won't always be in situations to Proc precision damage.

Now I wonder if it works if you don't have any impact weapons at all. If so I'll switch quite a few characters over to Resolute. Like Ning straight away 😅

[copper trench]

I just hope it's not a bug lol, it'd really suck if it stopped working next time they do an update

[split palm]

I think it has to be a character that can use impact weapons

[warped sentinel]

No buffs this week.

[stark canopy]

kinda disappointed, i guess they need more time to test stuff

[bleak crescent]

They may buff him only after this current calamity ops resets and after the expanse 40 thing is done

[night glacier]

If you want to T6 him the time is even more limited now. Guess this banner was a bust 😅

[warped sentinel]

What? I hope they compensate with an additional draw or two. I'm currently 20 pulls away from guaranteed T6 and am relying on the daily blessings and bounties.

[night glacier]

Maybe trying to drop 2 banners in 1 month to boost financial numbers for this year or something who knows

[stark canopy]

that's so sad, the character is so cool and fun to play, many came back to the game only for him

[warped sentinel]

Has anyone had any luck in void expanse 31-40 using a void hand cannon and octant?

[night glacier]

Radiation Build actually works pretty well for him. Happened to have a godroll rampagin radiation. And after spending 1000+ energy trying to get a good roll on valiant veil I gave in and changed wishlist to radiation and got good rolls on those. -> #1446160485975330932 message

[rocky tapir]

I tested octant and it stacks 10x giving a max bonus of 300%

[warped sentinel]

Can someone screenshot the Jaren buff from the patch notes?

[oblique verge]

Question for Jaren: at the moment I have dropped 4 artifact. One couple has fire boost and 1of the two has super boost; the other couple has signature boost.
Which couple should I use?

[stark canopy]

if you plan using tlw/old prefect with solar shotty then: weapon, signature, ability and solar

if you want something viable also with other weapons (octant for example) then super instead of solar is fine too

[shut tartan]

Does Last Word band 2 worth?

[night glacier]

No because if you use the dash to reload you don't lose stacks anywya

[shut tartan]

After crota raid I can say... Valiant Perturbation is better than bellicose veil. Bellicose is more for having fun

[stark canopy]

bellicose veil is too occasional, especially without t6 jaren

[shut tartan]

yes

but is very good with T1

in the end, the new artifacts will be the best for new characters. Sometimes only T1 can change 1 artifact, as Estela t1 with Ring of Conversion

[bleak crescent]

Ring of safeguarding with the 1st slot perturbation set helped me tank 3-4 of crota's hits point blank lmao

[warped lynx]

this new bulwark ops shotgun looks really cool
which rolls do y’all recommend?

[rotund briar]

Nah its genuinely not that good that I personally think that hyperemia does not pair well with shotguns bc of the low mag but it's a C Tier shotgun in full honesty

[warped lynx]

really? what about the crota shotgun?

[rotund briar]

There's some alternatives for a Shotgun for Jaren like Sword breaker, Thermylope and Eternal retribution

[rotund briar]

Currently people are debating either going for Sword breaker or Thermylope bc they are both really powerful shotguns but it depends on ur playstyle and preferences

[warped lynx]

I mean, therm is really good, also the void one that goes with gwynn
im just curious about the new guns haha

[warped lynx]

sword is the crota shotgun right?
sorry, my game is in spanish haha

[rotund briar]

Yh Sword Breaker is also a great choice for Jaren but it all depends on ur preferences

[rotund briar]

Yh lol

[warped lynx]

got the good rolls for sword? in case i wanna give it a try

[rotund briar]

Me personally I have them both with Godrolls and building them up just to see which I prefer

[warped lynx]

both thumbs? got it
hope i get the mods and rolls soon to try it too

thanks

[rotund briar]

Np have a good day fellow lightbearer and may the traveler's light brighten ur path

[analog girder]

What is this band you’re talking about?

[shut tartan]

catalyst 2 and 3

[analog girder]

So maybe you guys can help me I’m feeling stuck in the game with Jaren actually with everybody, I can’t get past the expansion frontier because I can’t make my toon any stronger. I need the artifact guild drops from here to get to level 20 and I just can’t do it. I’m getting stressed out about it and I don’t know what to do other than just break my tablet lol JK but any advice would be great, and when I see level 20, I can’t get my first gold coin without being just a little bit stronger. I’ve been just playing. I had no advice form nobody and I’m still pretty new, but I’ve hit a couple walls already in the game.

[analog girder]

Ty that’s what I was thinking, but I wasn’t sure

[shut tartan]

catalyst 2 and 3 is called band 1 and 2.... I DON'T KNOW WHY

[analog girder]

Are they calling them that in the game or on discord, i’ve only seen them called catalyst