Development Update: Pinnacle Energy System and Looking Forward

[raven bobcat]

Dear Lightbearers,
This week, we'd like to chat about the feedback we've been gathering from our social media and community channels since our official launch. Today, our focus is on sharing responses and plans for a few particularly important and common topics.

Regarding the Pinnacle Energy System

First, we'd like to acknowledge that, whether it's in-game or on social media platforms, the Pinnacle Energy system has been the source of much discussion and feedback. We understand everyone's concerns, and we know just how much this part of the game impacts every Lightbearer's experience.

Let's start by explaining the original concept behind the Pinnacle Energy system. Our hope is that Destiny: Rising can be a game for a wide variety of players, with the Pinnacle Energy system's design being able to bridge the gameplay experience gap between players of differing time investments. Players can use it to earn multiplied, high-value rewards in a short period of time, and they can even let it stack and spend several days' worth of Pinnacle Energy all at once. This design is more convenient for mobile players, who are accustomed to playing in short bursts. Additionally, once Pinnacle Energy is exhausted, players can continue farming for basic rewards.

The Pinnacle Energy system was always a hot topic during our Alpha and Beta tests. Thanks to your feedback, we adjusted the basic reward rates and range several times. However, we've come to realize that it still leaves many Lightbearers feeling disheartened. So many of our loyal players want to invest more time and keep having fun, yet the Pinnacle Energy system has become a barrier to that. Thus, we know that our current system is just a temporary solution, and it's far from perfect.

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Given that Pinnacle Energy is one of the cornerstones of the game's mechanics, any changes must be carefully considered and tested. Because of that, we can't make any quick, fundamental changes in the short term, but rest assured, this is something the dev team has been continuously thinking about and discussing in depth, searching for the best solution.

So why are we choosing to talk about it now? That's because we think we've found a solution that's worth a try. We believe this new solution will let players enjoy all Destiny: Rising has to offer with greater freedom and fewer restrictions, and provide a more enjoyable looter-shooter experience, while still maintaining balance between players of different time investment levels. We're aiming to introduce this new plan to all of our Lightbearers early next year as part of our first major update. In the lead-up to that, we'll be sharing more information as well as gathering more feedback from our community. Stay tuned!

Live Ops Plans & Looking Forward

Another hot topic in our social media communities has been the game's long-term plans. We're very excited to take this opportunity to share Destiny: Rising's roadmap with you all!

Destiny: Rising will be receiving two major version updates annually. We're now nearing our first major update in the beginning of next year, which will see the introduction of an all-new destination and the continuation of the main story, as well as a new series of Gauntlet: Onslaught stages (complete with a new contest, of course!) and lots of new stages and activities to experience. In addition to the Pinnacle Energy solution we discussed above, our dev team has been hard at work improving, adding to, and even overhauling our seasons, endgame content, and core systems like weapons and artifacts. We're confident that this major update will provide our Lightbearers with both tons of new content as well as a comprehensive, brand-new experience.

But that's not all! Our seasonal updates will also bring with them important content drops. In the upcoming Season 2 (November-December), Shifting Gates is getting a large update, and Gauntlet: Blitz is receiving three new stages along with all-new weapons to chase. Longtime Destiny fans will also be happy to know that the familiar Dawning event will be coming, and that means all-new event content! Warm up this winter with Pack carnivals, snowball fights, and more—as well as plenty of loot!

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One addition we're particularly excited to share is a brand-new activity coming next January for Season 3: a tower defense mode. This is a creative activity we've been pouring a lot of effort into, and we're sure it will add a whole new way to enjoy Destiny: Rising. Season 3 will also feature a mysterious update that's sure to surprise long-time Destiny fans (trust us, new players will like it, too!), but please allow us to keep it under wraps for just a little while longer. Be sure to follow our social media channels so you don't miss the big reveal.

We've also been cooking up various activity updates to keep things fresh between seasons. The current Festival of the Lost event is just one of the many things our team has been working on. In the near future, we'll also be launching a fun PvP event and more exciting content. Plus, as we mentioned earlier, expansions of and prep for future endgame activities are underway. Keep an eye out for more info!

To give everyone a clear view of what's in the pipeline, we'll also be releasing monthly event calendars. These calendars will be shared on our social media at the start of each month and will contain a preview of everything you all can look forward to, ensuring you can plan accordingly.

We'd like to thank each and every Lightbearer for your patience and support. Our journey has only just begun, and with you at our side, this adventure is bound to be stellar.

The Destiny: Rising Team

[runic yarrow]

poggers

[gaunt belfry]

Are the new Destination and the Red Sea Extension the same thing?

[fair pasture]

👀

[loud galleon]

So much talk about energy but no increased daily wtf?

[split lava]

Will we be able to fight on the moon?

[limber mantle]

Endgame problems be like 🦗 🦗

[torn burrow]

[gritty delta]

About time

[graceful knot]

Probably doing a bigger change rather than just dumping more energy on us

[earnest linden]

I would like to find more about cosmetics, such as character skins and improved decals, especially for 4*'s, nothing mentioned here 🙁

[bronze meteor]

Imagine a mobile game getting a roadmap instead of the console game. Hilarious

[crimson trench]

Tower desense

[high void]

What is “Tower Desense” in season 3?

[uncut tusk]

"Classic Destiny Beloved 6-Player Challenge"
WOTM SIVA SIVA SIVA

[graceful knot]

They need to focus on retention first, so sorting issues with pinnacle energy and basic gameplay and rewards, then add a meaningful pvp system

[ionic cairn]

Can’t wait to see the change to the pinnacle system wanna see your take that just stop people in their tracks if they wanna play longer then 30 minutes the amount of recourses given out if you didn’t have pinnacle energy was the problem

[ionic wadi]

Work in Gatcha System, make an innovative idea to make it better for the user, not the same as other games.

[worthy rain]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-siva-logo-gif-15483131

[remote spindle]

keep it up devs!!! this game has a lot of potential

[rocky bay]

I'm stocked about it

[crimson trench]

We going to see Jolder die again? Mayhaps

[patent forum]

What... we have to wait all the way till March for the new zone and new campaign? Sheesh

[graceful knot]

We have better gambit already, next up... better onslaught

[raw venture]

Can’t wait to see the tower defense loved the card game

[thorny tendon]

Hype next year yey

[calm crater]

It being a gacha will stunt it from becoming great unfortunately but it can still improve

[crude moat]

I have 6 talents from finnala and I got finala again, this gathca system sucks

[shrewd osprey]

“Classic Destiny beloved 6-player challenge”

Menagerie? Dares of Eternity?

[sturdy siren]

Netease slapped bungies face so hard with this one, and bungie pretends nothing happened 😂

[ornate gazelle]

Yurrrrr

[scenic panther]

Is the new destination Mexico?

[prisma vault]

Thanks for addressing this.

[sturdy siren]

Damn, Amanda Holiday story quest?

[crude moat]

Gacha is incompatible with destiny

[graceful knot]

Its great that they are keeping up with talking to us, lets all give them props for addressing the big issues and we need to give them time to fully prepare and test reworks

[ruby cedar]

oi buzz

[errant zealot]

a tower defense mode sounds awesome, and monthly content calendars were desparately needed to happy to see both that is coming and the roadmap!

[limber mantle]

👀

[velvet raven]

Major System Update in March?!?! Like PC Major??!?!?

[rocky bay]

That'd be cool, maybe we can get ships like that

[crimson trench]

Hopefully

[vagrant breach]

I mean the game offers official emulation, I wouldnt expect that

[ionic wadi]

I would like to recommend 2 ideas for future updates

1. Do a full realistic battle mode, without being able to fly without full-fire skills.
2. Do a mode something like a big BR-style map. The main idea is Similar Like Shifting Gates... maybe with more players and only the Map with mechanics

[velvet raven]

I wouldn't count it out. There are people I know that have passed on it because it doesn't have a native PC client.

[waxen kraken]

No new area and campaign till March is oof like what are you all doing lmao

[graceful knot]

They need to test a new pinnacle system very carefully, with no limits we'd run into burnout issues and players with all the time in the world dominating leaderboards and time limited reward events.
It needs to be balanced but fair to those with a larger investment

[dense wave]

I hope so. I am ready to say "Moons haunted" all over again.

[marsh adder]

cant wait for the first new planet in 2027

[sharp walrus]

Anyone else notice season 4 says new Gampaign

[little bolt]

I was hoping for a completely new destination, however it appears from the road map its just a new area in the Red Sea Rift Zone.

[inner sluice]

wotm confirmed 👌

[reef shuttle]

3rd red sea rift not coming till March?! That's the new zone!? Oh wow

[simple marten]

At least here we got roadmap

[graceful knot]

Let them balance between new events, seasonal events, new characters and player issues before bashing out new areas left right and centre

[dense wave]

I'm optimistic at least. Unlike a certain other game...

[unreal fulcrum]

So are we looking at more Pinnacle energy or a complete rework of the energy system

[graceful knot]

Hopefully a rework, we'd still have the same issues if we just got 'doubled the energy per day'
You'd get an hour of grind instead of 30 mins of end game resources

[little bolt]

The best we can hope for is an energy bank system similar to other games, where you can still accumulate energy beyond the max, just at a slower rate (say, 60 per day instead of 120)

[sacred wyvern]

Two
Major version annually.

Long term plans

[limpid kindle]

It really needs to be a native port. This really isn’t working out as a mobile game. Can barely see the enemies, walking around is laggy, gun play is loose and sloppy

[graceful knot]

Not dumb at all, if they stopped focusing on issues and player feedback THEN we'd be on another d2, bungie ignored player feedback for so long they are beyond the point of return, make the players happy with what they have THEN add more.
Or both at the same time but less frequently

[sacred wyvern]

Thanks for clearing up the noise with pinnacle system, completely makes sense. Don’t ruin the model and gl looking into the best options to the experience long term.

[unreal fulcrum]

That makes sense but something that they pointed out is that mobile gamers usually just play in short bursts I don't have a console so my mane form of gaming is on my phone I would just like to have more energy so I could play longer and still get the rewards I'm looking for (side note I know I'm just one person and not everyone is like me this is just my opinion)

[magic citrus]

Idk guys, having to wait this many months for an area that was already in the beta seems kind iffy, ngl
Kinda makes hoping for new locations really bleak

[dense wave]

Agreed on that. Been having an issue with severe input delay lately with seemingly no good reason. Wasn't like that at launch, thats for sure.

[clever perch]

MINOR SPELLING MISTAKE DETECTED: TOWER DESENSE GAME MODE

[knotty dust]

Netease releasing a roadmap when Bungie can't release one for the main game...

[limpid kindle]

I’ve never understood resource caps in any game.

[upper crest]

honestly i'm less concerned about the energy, and more just want more relaible sources of endgame materials. its waaaay too stingy right now
let me have a reason to SPEND the energy

[round sedge]

From the beginning, they should've made currencies for double drops instead of HALVING the drops when you're out of energy, at least it would make it look better

[unreal fulcrum]

I think you either need a better phone to play on or your just not used to playing on mobile bc I've not had any of these issues

[dense wave]

Pretty sure they are referring to emulation, as am I.

[exotic fern]

Wonder what the pinncale energy system revamp will be like

[unreal fulcrum]

Explain pls

[graceful knot]

True, and i was also dissapointed to not see it mentioned, adding some pvp exclusive rewards would be a good start. Apart from that pvp has different issues for a game like this. Seperating emulator players from mobile players is a must if you want to introduce a meaningful pvp mode

[magic citrus]

Huh?
The problem with energy is that's there's materials that you can't grind at all once you run out of energy, not that you get less of them
Not a pr issue with some "glass half empty/half full" thing

[dense wave]

I've been having a lot of issues playing the game on MuMu as of late. Getting forced into 3rd person after Wolf's Dash for example, which also messes with the controls till I ADS to fix it. Lotta random input delay. Crashing while typing in chat. Just a bunch of random stuff really.

[unreal fulcrum]

I'm not sure what MuMu is tbh but I've not had any of these kinds of issues since I beat the main story line

[dense wave]

its the main way to play the game on PC.

[limpid kindle]

There aren’t enough people playing to separate players. They just did a server merge to create healthy populations.

[vivid fractal]

if they dont address the fundamental issue of endgame basically being 'wait 2 weeks and/or a month for enough resources to barely invest into 1 character' they can forget about retention...probably the first gacha/mobile game where endgame character progression is this choked/delayed for no reason

[limpid kindle]

@fatdad It’s the publisher supported PC emulators so you can play it on a real screen

[unreal fulcrum]

Oh ok I thought you were saying that you were having these problems on mobile and that would explain why I didn't know what MuMu was bc I don't own a PC lol

[magic citrus]

I mean
After you max out everything you'd quit anyways cos there's nothing to do once you max out characters
So if anything, this limiter is the only thing keeping you playing rn

[limpid kindle]

The problem I have with mobile is that you can’t see anything because characters are too small

[vivid fractal]

if anything its pushed me away when your only options are 1) fully invest into 1 character or 2) barely progress in the ones you like playing

[round sedge]

fr? what mats? i probably forgot then lmao since im only farming artifacts the past few weeks

[dense wave]

I'm very close to having a fully maxed Helhest, just need to perfect my artifacts. After that, I am HARD stuck waiting for more resources on a monthly lockout to max out relics on others. That, is a pain.

[graceful knot]

See this is an issue yes, again its finding a balance which 'for a company that actually wants the game to succeed'
Will take time to properly test before implementation.
Having weekly ways of earning clusters is very much needed, but not so much that everyone can max a character in 2 weeks. Then you run into issues of burnout and players dropping with nothing to do

[limpid kindle]

Why can’t we just level all of our characters if we have the time to do so. What’s the development team’s point of orphaning characters?

[vivid fractal]

got the time to grind but mfw gotta wait 2 weeks and a month for resets that give so little with p1sspoor rates that are laughably bad even at max level bonuses

[unreal fulcrum]

I can understand that when I first started playing on mobile I was having the same issue not necessarily with this game but in general I think it's just something that you kinda get used to

[magic citrus]

But like
What would you be doing if you maxed them out
Calamity, as much as I hate it, is the only endgame besides grinding achievements rn

[hollow marsh]

Maybe they saw what people do with destiny 2 and how awful they are about running through content and then complaining and they’re tryna not let that happen 🤷‍♂️

[vivid fractal]

two reasons; artificial extension of playtime and therefore retention while also keeping income so low you have no choice but to invest in either the banner/seasonal focus character or a closely related one if you dont want to fall off

[graceful knot]

THIS

[hollow marsh]

It’s not a hard concept.
Destiny players suck the game dry and then cry when they aren’t fronted with daily dopamine.
Maybe, I dunno, consider the fact that it’s a mobile game and you’re not supposed to spend six to eight hours on it a day? Food for thought.

[vivid fractal]

my man, im not even asking for a flood, im asking for it to be farmable without stupidly long restrictions and/or drip fed amounts

[graceful knot]

You cant have a healthy live service game, when you can beat everything a min/max constantly

[dense wave]

I hate being locked outta progression arbitrability as a side effect of this though. I'm not one of those that did complain about having nothing to do cause I am great at making my own fun. I just dont wanna feel stuck.

[hollow marsh]

It’s a double edged sword. Because most people run to YouTubers for their info, and the YouTubers are great at kicking a dead horse, so you have to play to the standards of their bs to be able to feed a community. It’s not about the little guys

[vivid fractal]

and what else is there to even play? the same thing week after week and the halloween event is basically just more of the same with it being rehashed roguelite mode

[limpid kindle]

The season is barely long enough to get the banner character much less level it. I only got Helhest yesterday with three draws left, which means I have zero Helhest orbs. You need 17 orbs(?) to level a banner character? 60 draws times 17 orbs(?) times 180 leaves per draw … not enough time.

[jade jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cant-wait-impatient-anxious-eagerly-gif-16498763039499928961

[round sedge]

Yeah but then you need to matchmake, if people only play in short bursts there just wont be enough players ever, unless your game is heavily mainstream i.e. clash royale

[hollow marsh]

Have you ever considered the massive library of games that exist outside of the Destiny universe? I find myself filling my time outside of those games with No Man’s Sky

[vivid fractal]

thats why its clashing; they want you to focus but at the same time they give so little the bottleneck youre not supposed to notice becomes super obvious

[dense wave]

for featured banner characters, you only need 6 character crystals. At least, thats what I remember.

[magic citrus]

Basically
Main problem is that there just isn't anything to do once you max out your characters
No raids, no dungeons, nothing

[vivid fractal]

NMS is...funny...but yeah, already been on a break with this game since the past week or so once hope for incandescent/mobius/yellow stick changes died

[graceful knot]

What do you mean by orbs here? If you mean copy crystals then you need 6, and the whole point of barely getting enough to get 1 per banner is precisely the point on the gatcha system

[hollow marsh]

Before I go further, I will admit, I got 10,000 hours in D2, so I’m so accustomed to this pattern that I can call it out yet still engage in it.

[plush torrent]

6 Player? Beloved? Menagerie?

[glad pewter]

What are you taking about

[limpid kindle]

The characters in the shiny balls that you apply to the character tree to max level them.

[dense wave]

6k across both 1 and 2, felt. Less time just cause I play other things to kill time.

[hearty dome]

Story cutscenes are too long

[glad pewter]

No raids? Wow

[hollow marsh]

I’m a heavy pvp guy so I was into it up until the last year. Getting into everything I’ve missed recently

[graceful knot]

Yea then you need 6 to max, and the gatcha system means that player who either pay OR can save enough for events can reach that goal.
You dont need every character, im skipping maru and waiting for jaren so i have enough saved to get at least t3 for him immediately.

[scenic panther]

If they add a mini golf PvP mode game is saved 100%

[hollow marsh]

A man can only identify their reflection by seeing himself in it.

[plush torrent]

You dont understand how much time I would waste 1v1ing people on Mini Golf 🤣

[magic citrus]

No, the thing we have is not a raid
It would at least be decent if we had a perma contest or master mode for it so the "final boss" can't get soloed by most characters in the game -.-

[humble raptor]

this is hype ngl

[hollow marsh]

Anyways, back to ripping engines apart, pleasure chatting with you folks, feel free to hml if yall ever wanna run anything

[dense wave]

I was PvP oriented in 1, but stop caring for 2. Sounds like Trials is miserable these days anyway, cant say I have FOMO lol

[hollow marsh]

I was a major 6’s player in D2, so I have around 480,000 pvp final blows. Could never catch me in 3’s.

[limpid kindle]

You can buy orbs?

[graceful knot]

You can buy pulls, meaning you can buy yourself a t6 character basically. Its more or less the only advantage whales have over other players, that and the materials in the black market

[scenic panther]

1v1 me when the new mini golf PvP mode comes out

[dense wave]

most i've gotten from running f2p is T2 Gwynn, in terms of featured characters that is. T6 Attal if you consider the perma.

T1 Estela and T1 Helhast otherwise.

[limpid kindle]

I’ve been playing since release day and I haven’t run across how to buy draws aside from lumina leaves. The UI doesn’t really explain it, so if they’re trying to make money off it, I don’t think it’s working out for them.

[magic garnet]

Typo on the road map under season 4. Gampaign

[graceful knot]

Being f2p is about picking when to use currency very carefully, im not f2p but i have spent very little, i have t1 gwynn, t1 estella, and t1 hell.
But i have 200+ pulls waiting for a character that i really enjoy playing. My main is umeko at t6, and i have t6 tan

[torn galleon]

Enough about the promises, where is the powercreep promised to me 400 years ago

[graceful knot]

You can exchange silver for lumia leaves

[dense wave]

Won't pretend I have the best resource management skills lol. I wish I had saved for Helhest, as she very quickly became my main unit. Love the entire kit.

[graceful knot]

Yea, i usually wait for meta shifting characters like hellhest but i have a buddy who got her to t6. And i run everything with him so i dont need to also pull her

[dense wave]

I primarily play solo, dont really got any friends that stayed invested for the long term, so i dont have that to consider.

[limpid kindle]

So 60 draws * 6 orbs * 180 leaves per draw = 64,800 lumina leaves

[shut igloo]

Beloved 6 player challenge....existing d1 raid being brought in?..

[limpid kindle]

One leaf is one silver is $1?

[thin pollen]

Wait are we so back?

[limpid kindle]

$65k for one fully leveled seasonal character? Or 18 fortuna crystals for one pink boat

[graceful knot]

Correct, and that is how gatcha works. It works out to about $900 to max a character with 'ONLY pity pulls'
With luck on your side, it'll usually mean 5-600 to get all 6 copies

[graceful knot]

No where near, 7,200 silver for $100

[split grove]

to be honest, we need faster new areas / destinations if you ask me.

[dense wave]

Oh hey you, thanks for the Lumifly guides!

[split grove]

Hey, thanks for watching the vids 😉

[limpid kindle]

Ok, thank you for the clarification. That explains why the game is fundamentally broken then. There is no good way to earn pink boats or character crystals once the banner character is gone. For example there is nowhere to get Gwynn crystals. So if you’re a completer / finisher, this game isn’t for you.

[dense wave]

I would expect an eventual re-run for Gwynn and others in the future, but I can't say that its guaranteed.

[limpid kindle]

I don’t know anyone who can spend $900 every three weeks, and D2 players are accustomed to playing all content with maxed out characters. Nothing else in the game happens until the power grind is over. So this is a big cultural shift that you have unfinished characters just hanging around (at least for me.)

It’s a little demotivating to have “orphaned” characters.

[magic citrus]

At this point just give us calamity but for onslaught, plz

[graceful knot]

We had that, eclipse.
And it had its own issues with leaderboards.
It'll come back for the new raid hopefully with good changes made to it

[limpid kindle]

I hope so, they probably want you gaining one character orb every year (couple of seasons?) so it takes you six years to max out a character

[magic citrus]

No, i mean calamity, not contest
Like, the exact way calamity works
But for the "raid"

[graceful knot]

Thats a decent idea, on a staggered rotation with calamity so its every week you gain clusters. Could be a decent option

[split grove]

Speedrun endgame is boring as main content, should be ontop but never the main content if you ask me

[graceful knot]

Yep, thats my issues with calamity and contest.
Needed to be focused on difficulty and finishing position over speedrunning ranks

[minor spade]

"new tower desense" what is a desense

[magic citrus]

Ik but like
I can solo the boss with 4* characters rn, i need something to use my "end game" stuff on

[split grove]

Yeah we eneed real endgame not speedrun endgame

[graceful knot]

Onslaught isnt really endgame
Same way the raid was never true endgame in d2.
Having a perma hard mode version like as you suggested 'calamity mode' would be better but the rewards should be worth it

[split grove]

the entire endgame atm is just speed speed speed...I don't like it 🙁

[haughty epoch]

Content based off all characters and not just the flavor (character)for the season would be a great start

[magic citrus]

Yes
I don't want more calamity
But i need anything to do in the game
And this would at least be somewhat easy to do for the devs so we wouldnt have to wait for it till April

[graceful knot]

Yea score multiplier in calamity means you have to be really fast, but this is the incentive to max and run meta (the current banner)
Also.... having mythic character be 500 power higher inherently is another issue when it comes to maxing and meta

[magic citrus]

Also overhaul the weapon system
Mythics sounded nice at first but with how common they are they should've just been legendaries
And then we would've at least had more weapon variety with the 35 or so legendaries already in the game

[merry quest]

I also hope we can upgrade perks to a mythic tier because you just aren't allowed to use anything not mythic if you want light

[graceful knot]

Thats gatcha, next season is gonna be a lot of void/spread to sell maru.
Its a marketing move instead of a gameplay move

Upgrading perks/weapons and characters from legendary to mythic would be a great move, even if it costs pinnacle only materials

[magic citrus]

No, why would it cost pinnacle material?
Mythics are already grindable without it, why would making legendaries cost pinny

[graceful knot]

Some of it should, perks (no)
Weapons (maybe)
Characters (yes)

[magic citrus]

No, it shouldn't
Legendary weapons should work exactly the same as mythics and have the same power

[halcyon jay]

You haven't noticed the other issues that they addressed ? Shifting gates is getting a huge update and with the other things they're about to add it should be enough for now

[prisma vault]

I think there should be a currency/resource where you can swap perks.

[split grove]

Nobody is playing Shifting Gates because it is unfortunately a terrible experience and mode 🙁

[cinder mountain]

Did they only touch on the Pinnacle Energy system for nothing?

[magic citrus]

Pretty much
"Dw guys, we're listening"

[graceful knot]

My reasoning,
Perks - should be upgradable without pinnacle drops, you've grinded enough to get the perks you want, the upgrades should cost the same as plainly upgrading the weapon.

Weapons - maybe, the reason above is for no. But the difference in power between legendary and pinnacle is worth a resource dump.

Characters - 500 power jump, more than an exotic node. Should cost something you have to earn with pinnie

[worldly sand]

3 seasons for a main story update is a pretty lengthy wait.

[magic citrus]

Idk if we're playing the same game at this point
Mythics are literally worthless rn, people sit at 100+ mythic engrams without ever even grinding for them
If anything, getting a specific legendary roll is harder

[graceful knot]

Yea mythics are the same for me, i have all the ones i want and now purely getting the resources i need to upgrade them, which would be the same as it is for me now.
But you're ignoring the gatcha aspect of the game, everything upgradable needs a price, and with noticable power jumps between legendary and mythic, be it perks or weapons in general. They need a price. Its about what can be farmed non pinnie and what needs pinnacle, based on power difference

[vivid fractal]

no surprise when its Shifting Ning most games...

[magic citrus]

I don't think you understand what I'm talking about

[split grove]

not even Ning but to be one-shot out of nowhere is ridiculous and kill all the fun in any mode.

[graceful knot]

I do, you want to upgrade legendary weapons and perks to mythic, to match power so that you can run the rolls you want rather than just what gets you the most power.
But you also want them upgrades to be non pinnacle (basically free) which would be against the gatcha aspect of the game as a whole.
Lets be clear i dont like the gatcha aspect, but its here and it aint going anywhere. So finding which upgrades are pinnacle or not is a compromise

[unreal remnant]

I really want to enjoy the shifting gates/gambit mode but it just doesn't feel nice to play at the moment

[graceful knot]

Running umeko with the legendary sniper (1 shot without debuffs) is just funny to counter all the nings

[magic citrus]

But mythic weapons are already free to grind
So why would upgrading something to the level of mythics cost anything??

[upper galleon]

One could say this is the make or break for Destiny : Rising…

[graceful knot]

Because of the word upgrade
If that word is involved there is always a price.
Again, as i said. I dont like that it does, but finding a compromise between whats pinnacle or not is the best thing to do

[magic citrus]

No.

[graceful knot]

Then you dont understand the type of game that you're playing, and you misunderstand gatcha as a whole.

[prisma anchor]

That is quite literally shorter of a wait than normal for D2 expansions to come out.

[vernal stone]

I understand the double loot and short burst thing but once you expend your energy you kinda just wanna well..... Stop Playing for a few days. So develop a double loot drop currency and let people who wish to grind without it do so.

[royal reef]

🤣 🤣 🤡

[stone lily]

I miss dares of eternity

[limpid kindle]

The concept is good. You just can’t see anyone to be able to shoot them

[spring oriole]

Pinnacle energy is funny. Its not enough for people that play on pc, but from a mobile perspective it takes too long to do your dailies

[stone lily]

You mean ShiftNING Gates?

[stone lily]

I mean they directly addressed it and gave a time line. It's November you'll survive for 2 more months. Just turn on your anime waifu games in the meantime it's gonna be OK bro

[hollow marsh]

Ong, it’s so funny seeing some peeps complain about a mobile game as if it’s being created by a triple a company

[remote hinge]

make the game french plz

[limpid kindle]

It’s currently better than any game produced by a AAA company, and it earns more money than any game produced by a AAA company. They are perfectly capable of putting in the effort, even though it’s designed for a 6 inch screen.

This isn’t some simpleton game like Candy Crush. I’m not even sure this game belongs on mobile devices to begin with.

[hardy aurora]

gampaign

[limpid kindle]

I did not see any mention of Shifting Gates

[broken bloom]

Is gywnn coming back

[limpid kindle]

You would think that would be on the roadmap.

[broken bloom]

I started a little too late and didn’t have a chance to pull her but I have everyone else but her

[broken bloom]

Honestly I do this

[hexed siren]

Siva confirmed

[high flower]

(i dont know if i what im saying really goes with the topic of the thread, my fault if it isnt i dont normally give feedback or game ideas to stuff like this) Honestly for pinnacle coins (and stuff using pinnacle coins) i feel like there should be a 3rd difficulty harder than heroic that requires you to have at-least level 10-15 acclaim because once you hit the point of going past the light power and level for heroic (being in acclaim basically) it feels way to easy for heroics to be played and done. if there was a new difficulty i feel the req power you need is around 57-60k power (because by the time your around 10-15 acclaim you have at-least once character who around that power range) and it should give a higher chance for exotics and or exoitc gun mods. I will say i enjoy the pinnacle coins and the reserve pinnacle coins because it tells you that once you run out it tells you did the maximum work for the day. Although i do wish there was a way for your regular pinnacle energy could be upgraded to have more space (not maxing out at 360) but this is all just from thought and from the enjoyment of the game ive had since launch (yes this is extremely long im sorry about that 😅)

[gaunt citrus]

d rising roadmap before d2 roadmap 💀

[coral chasm]

Is gampaign and season campaign different things. And I know is says new seasonal campaign but have we ever had one before?

[wooden trout]

Don’t think so

[little bolt]

In the post they advertised it as "An all new destination)

A new area of an already existing destination doesnt quite qualify as "all new"

They could have said "New Area" or "Expanded Destination"

[graceful knot]

Which post? I see the roadmap that states 'new red sea rift area'
I must have missed the post

[little bolt]

In the big wall of text right above the road map. About 4 paragraphs above

[graceful knot]

I see it could be a mis type yes (it is a chinese company which does not translate well)
Also could be a new area for the new activities.
Good catch though

[limpid kindle]

Do we even have destinations? They don’t feel like it. I get that it’s arranged in a map style user interface, but I don’t really get the feeling of a memorable place that I identify with as a player.

[near sand]

Pinnacle energy feels like it was just copy pasted from every Gatcha game even when it's not needed and doesn't fit the game or it's playerbase. The Destiny brand has always been grindy. You have an amazing opportunity to literally be THE Destiny game. Best of luck to the team

[unkempt herald]

thanks for listening to us devs!

the intention and ‘plans’ sound like they are going in the right direction.
The timing is not so good…
I question how much of the player base will remain engaged by March 2026.
Please make some immediate adjustments to pinnacle energy to ‘save the game’ as well as deliver more meaningful change over the coming months.
I am a fan of this game and want to see it thrive for a long time.
Thanks again for listening and keep up the great work!

[stone lily]

Bikini maru skin incoming to retain the player base until then 🤣 🤣

[vernal vessel]

Pls bring it to consoles

[limpid kindle]

Just delete Pinnacle energy and be done with it. Just give the best loot as we grind for it. Respect the player’s time and don’t have resource caps.

[graceful knot]

And 3 weeks later lose another huge chunk of players because 'nothing to do i have every character maxed out already'
This is why the pinnacle system can be good IF implemented correctly

[limpid kindle]

As it stands I’m not hitting pinnacle restrictions and I would prefer to have the option of leveling everyone. Instead of capping resources, just give more classes to grind out and weapons to level.

Is this game meant for the Destiny community or for the gacha community?

[graceful knot]

I am hitting pinnacle restrictions, and i think its healthy, it stops me wanting to spend hours grinding until 4am and burning out

[modest bronze]

Need to stop with all the new characters and give us content that keeps us busy for a while

[graceful knot]

1 new character a month scares me, how long can they keep it up? And power creep will be an issue.
I think 1 new per season is fine and rerunning a banner in the 2nd part of the season lets players go for characters they missed/ now enjoy but didnt max

[limpid kindle]

I’m not finding it visually interesting enough to grind and use more than 80 pinnacle power since it’s designed for a 6” screen and 30 fps.

The only thing motivating me to use pinnacle power is that the Activity Points for Wolf Den is tied directly to spending pinnacle power, and Activity Points are artificially capped to around 20 per person per week.

Otherwise the game does not make it clear to me as to why someone would want to spend more pinnacle points. They seem like an artificial cap just to have a currency for the sake of a currency.

[graceful knot]

In playing on emulator, 144fps and 4k (which is a native option) game looks good but obviously not amazing.
Pinnacle energy is used for high end materials to level characters and weapons to power required for end game ranked pve.
I currently use all my energy on chaos, for artifact upgrade materials, as i'm hunting for rank 1 umeko in my server

[limpid kindle]

Ok. I’ll check those settings out. Thank you!

[graceful knot]

Mumu is the official emulator, and its what i use. Couple issues here and there but nothing a quick restart doesnt fix

[hollow marsh]

Stop reacting to this I’m tryna play NMS

[proven scroll]

nothing meaningful as usual

[languid cave]

Said a lot of nothing regarding pinnacle energy. Basically explaining why they implemented it and to wait till next year for an update. I hope they don't follow the footsteps of another game I play.

[sly viper]

to me pinacle is not the big problem .... cluster and photon is the big problems

[craggy geyser]

reduce the monthly limit to weekly limits on clusters or make another way to farm a product to get the cluster . i preffer spend 100 or 200 hundred hours farming an ctivity to get it.

[opaque pivot]

We're limited in events like Halloween and previous one where we had that 'wheel of fortune' what to do with surplus of keys and ordinary keys in such events? Bring in special shop for it. Once we hit final prize everything besides it is no need to complete challenges

[spring cape]

Bring bad juju back and we are BFFS

[tender bay]

Hope the pinnacle enegry system will be gone tbh or else just give better rewards multiplier

[broken bloom]

I feel like I use my energy too fast like tomorrow I’ll play bc I’ll have max energy. I usually grind it out then wait till it’s max which is not ideal bc I’m enjoying the game and wanna play

[uncut osprey]

so no actual good pvp content, other than shifting gates?

[near comet]

if they reverse pinnacle energy, then they would implement smtg like "x entries with normal rewards per week, after that, only basic rewards". otherwise, the whole gacha aspect would be gone (and then you can play d2)

[tender bay]

I have 10k hours in D2, tbh just want a new Destiny experience so i would be down for anything that lets players invest more time, but again i get the gatcha aspect

[plush grail]

Why not add an item that can only be purchased with money to reset all of your characters stats and abilities while receiving a refund for it all? $2.99 for each reset token? Sounds valid, logical, and can help redirect peoples focus on the pinnacle energy. One of the issues why people always cry over the lack of pinnacle energy is because of the constant upgrading people do for each character. If you force them to use other characters, you have to give them the ability to also grow those characters. The pinnacle energy only stunts growth.

[soft leaf]

you are born under a rock. which abilties would you reset? there are none to choose from. have you even been playing destiny rising?

stop using ChatGPT. thank you.

[split grove]

You can also be friendly, and he means that you reset your characters, get all your stuff back, and then completely level up another character or bring it up to the level of the other character. Easy to understand 😉

[void zealot]

Bruh i need this raid again

[soft leaf]

Short Answer: NO. if you play 2x per week it's easy to get all characters to 70k, Literally link characters and voila they copy artifacts from the main character.

[split grove]

easy? thats a straight lie, sorry. For all chars 70k you have to invest a lot of time and farm, first part..get all chars...

[void zealot]

If you played Diablo Immortal (From NetEase) they do that kind of thing there, where you can change your character to another and moves everything to the new one, legendary gems keeps being the same ofc... i mean, is not something super crazy.

The thing with upgrading characters to a MAX is due to the lack of Incandescence Clusters, there's only 1 source for it, and you get only 5-7 every 2 weeks... while they ask you for 17 total to max out a character

[soft leaf]

i have not farmed at all and mine are all in 70K+ range. i guess you should make a video about that.

my biggest tip! get Ning.

[split grove]

for 70k you need cluster, photons and many other stuff. At these materials the most people stuck. I have two chars at 71k+ and I play a lot but more? need cluster, photons and co....

I can't even fully upgrade the exotic guns on both chars because the blue (forget the name) material....ultra rare...

[late raven]

Go find a new game then, clearly this one isn’t for you lol.

[void zealot]

Photons... that is the blue material that looks like a Galaxy

[split grove]

yes that one, ultra rare and not dropping from legend campaing with the 1.5% chance lol...can only buy 1 per week? from black market

[limpid kindle]

Yeah, no. That’s the whole point of development feedback. I’ve been playing Destiny for 11 years, you think I’m giving up on this still wet behind the ears edition?

This game is barely born. It’s only two months old.

[void zealot]

Yea, tbh i upgraded like 6 exotic weaopns so far to max, but i have been buying them from the Black Market every 3d... and yea, it's an expensive thing to do

[split grove]

exactly..so the message it is "easy just with 2x per week" from @soft leaf is not really the truth 😉

[void zealot]

Because if i rely only on the drop from the legendary missions, i think i would have maxxed out 1-2 only

[late raven]

I hope they continue ignoring you for another 11 years

[split grove]

yeah the 1.5% chance feels like 0.00015%...try since probably 2 or 3 weeks to get one there lol impossible

[limpid kindle]

Hope and a $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee. Good luck with that.

[void zealot]

I've been using all my pinnacle for weeks, just to farm legendary missions fusion cores and whatnot, buying the pandoras (blue pinnacles), so every monday i would have like 350+ pinnacle... so that included... after all that farming, i think i only had ONE photon. It's a joke.

[split grove]

guys be nice to each other, ok? 😉 @limpid kindle and @late raven

[late raven]

Nah this guy is trolling

[limpid kindle]

[late raven]

Can’t even spend the energy he is complaining about, I’m sure there isn’t a single thing that will come off his
keyboard that is positive

[flint hill]

Ya terminó el mantenimiento?

[split grove]

@void zealot yep...other question....somebody know how to like a player status? Saw yesterday there is a triumph but I have 0/20?...like the home page I know...but player status?

[limpid kindle]

I’m positive 1) that the when the systems come back up that I’ll be logging in, and 2) that the login screen music slaps.
🍻 💃 🕺

[void zealot]

mmmm i think is more like liking the player's hub page? but not sure

[split grove]

I can't find a second like button on the players profile, there is one on overview but that the general "like a home page" triumph....but player status? No idea where 🙁

[versed oriole]

we need better ways to get clusters and photons that is the biggest roadblock to getting powered up for these end game leaderboards I do like the artifact mats this new season has where we can focus on one stat to be transferred over instead of replacing all 4

[grizzled brook]

does it actually only transfer 1 we can chose ? or is it random ? i thought i read it was random stat

[versed oriole]

i thought there was one that wasnt random unless i read it wrong

[lucid oasis]

oh I just noticed

[ashen lantern]

Ignore the leaderboards...

But I do agree with needing Better Ways to get photons and Clusters..
MAINLY clusters... Because... People whom not 70,000 Power AND... Only 60k & under... Those players have difficulty clearing under 5m:30sec for Legendary missions.
(gold Chest).

[primal cliff]

plz plz plz read me! huge you )) Hey everyone! I have a question for the developers. Do you really think this is a good idea? Or is it a joke? 🎁Event Rewards
Winners are determined by individual video view counts.

Are you looking for stupid or naive people? Is this a creativity contest or a contest to see who has the most likes, views, and promotions on YouTube or TikTok? It's just ridiculous! I'll don't take care of that! There's plenty to do in the game without this! I go to work every day, have some conscience! Remove these stupid activity coins! Grinding and farming won't disappear anyway, just like we won't either ^_-

[versed oriole]

I try not to but i love climbing leaderboards its my thing I was able to get number 1 in the world in a game called disney speedstrom it is a good feeling getting top spots in leaderboards.
but yeah we do need more ways you want to keep people in the game you want people to get characters you got to improve the game i didnt whale out on Maru because of that im uncertain about this game and the future and i can see the potential I have alot of fun in the game but i dont want my investments to go to waste you know. PS Netease I do not want to spend hundreds of dollars on a T6 lol PS I know its Gacha just sucks thank you for write offs lol.

[lucid oasis]

honestly the new dice just feels like them no longer caring and just wanting a quick cash grab

the random reroll dice should have been farmable and for f2p, while the specific reroll dice should have been for the whales

[modest bronze]

They could have put the randoms on monthly lockout, and made the specific ones really rare from content

Literally anything would be better than how they did it

This season, along with the so called listening to the community, has severely put me off this game.

There is not enough challenging content.

CO is a joke

[vague wraith]

Waiting for apr for a major update is wild work and we really stop calling new playable characters content…..

[haughty epoch]

The "ItS gAcHa" 🤡 would beg to differ 🤣

[lucid oasis]

Just having to wait until late march just for the third section of rsr, new main campaign story, and new gauntlet onslaught is already really bad when it's a mobile game

[marble parrot]

can we do something about basic activity rewards and glimmer, k thx bye