Estela artifact discussion 🧵

[eternal heart]

hello hey hi my current understanding is rpm is king so i’m leaning towards furies but it feels like a meta shift jus happened

today’s casting/shooting buff is game changing for her

[dry chasm]

keep in mind that higher rpm has a cap, you cant get more than a certain amount of corruption every certain time, dont have the specifics atm

[eternal heart]

hmmm

[north sluice]

Hi, yeah it did. Heir has to be considered for your build, depending on what your preference is

[eternal heart]

that does complicate it

[north sluice]

This is only partially correct

[eternal heart]

i care about exotics first and foremost then i wanna figure out artifacts

[north sluice]

The amount of corruption gained is capped to 10 per second, so RPM of over 600 doesn't gain anything more than 900

HOWEVER

The accident mechanic present within the Misfortune's Guide ability generates extra corruption each time it triggers

Accidents happen after a certain amount of hits into the enemy and have no limit.

[eternal heart]

i have both furies and gallows but idc about that i wanna know what’s actually meta

[eternal heart]

so kinda yes rpm matters but definitely doesn’t but also absolutely does

is what i’m gathering

Estela artifact discussion 🧵

@north sluice you’re making me anxious please just hit send😭😭😭

i’m happy to read your writing in parts

[north sluice]

Here's the consensus I can give you, in points:

• RPM matters a lot. Especially if you have T6 Estella.

• Machinegun ammo economy is really good, you have tons of ammo to use and you can use your summons to save on it, so your primary doesn't matter as much. In expanse, you never run out of ammo because it guarantees a box at each stage.

• The previous best combo was Furies + Scorched Earth. This still works and is viable. Furies is a functional primary that reaches a high fire rate, so it can be used after you run out of heavy or if you need to save

• The Gallows is not a meta pick. You use it if you need void damage or spread shinka tech. Or pvp.

• The Heir Apparent is a new meta pick. It got massive buffs to quality of life and a 15% precision damage buff. On top of that, Estella is now able to fire and use abilities at the same time, meaning the 200+ round mag of heir apparent is very useful, because you won't have to reload and can DPS for about 16 seconds straight before having to reload.

• If you pick Heir, you are stuck with a weaker primary. The arc pulse has higher RPM and arc DMG. The Ultimatum has less RPM but can match Estella's solar DMG, gaining extra DPS from her light link ability and artifact solar DMG buffs.

[eternal heart]

so just to clarify i’m T1 estela just for this discussion she wasn’t interesting to me during her banner so i didn’t bother

i’m not sure how that affects what advice you give me

so farm heir apparent got it

thank you

[north sluice]

You will generate summons slower than T6 Estella and will struggle to keep 3 tier 3 summons alive at all times

Because T3 extends your duration from 25 to 42 seconds

[eternal heart]

@north sluice i’m asking you this personally. have you played other gachas?

[dry chasm]

ill probably stay with scorched for the time being tbh, i feel the mats will be better used for the next character exotic than maxing a weapon for a character i already have great guns

[north sluice]

Many. I hate any and all duplicate systems. The only reason I have T6 Estella is because of the generosity of the adventure bundles or whatever

[eternal heart]

the reason why i ask is cuz if i anticipate when she returns that helps give me direction while i build her

so in your many gachas when do you anticipate her returning

[north sluice]

This is very fair. I can show you what my heir can do compared to my best SE

[eternal heart]

3 months, 6 months, a year?????

[north sluice]

There's no way to tell.

[eternal heart]

oh jeez

[north sluice]

Each game does it differently

[eternal heart]

okay so build her as t1 got it

that helps me

[dry chasm]

yeah, i already have this maxed, i cant suffer a bit of % dps loss instead of farming for like a week

[eternal heart]

seeing SE is giving me d2 flashbacks😭😭😈

[north sluice]

Beautiful. I couldn't do this because of a mishap in the first week of play lol

Honestly glad also lol, heir is so much fun for me

I found a glitch with it already also lol

[eternal heart]

@dry chasm so your argument is for what its worth furies+se might be more resourceful?

[north sluice]

Makes me 10x harder to kill

[eternal heart]

keep in mind i’m pretty much building her from scratch

[north sluice]

The only arguments for Furies+SE is sunk cost fallacy, or the need for a more functional primary

[dry chasm]

my argument is that i already have both Furies and Scorched maxed, so i would need to max 2 new weapons for a %dps boost for like a week wich is not interesting to me

[eternal heart]

hmmm i haven’t really built her so i don’t think this applies (im a d2 vet you do not need to explain the sunk cost fallacy im unfortunately all too familiar with the topic)

i’ll probably have a look at the mythic pulses then

[north sluice]

Here's the closest comparison I could do. I'm struggling to keep recoil a little

[north sluice]

I maxed ultimatum to use in tandem with gallows for whenever I need it so it was just a matter of getting stuff for gallows

[eternal heart]

your shader is giving me fomo💔

@north sluice DUDE it drops from raid activities i’m already hunting izinagis burden that definitely extends the grind damn

[north sluice]

Heir? Heir drops from gauntlet in general. You can just kinda get one to unlock it and then claim a guaranteed heir weekly from the choice exotic engram for 40 shards

[eternal heart]

so farming raid will be for my first one then i can craft dupes?

[north sluice]

You can also claim the gauntlet random engram for 30 shards and hope it drops that way. I kinda have all exotics unlocked rn so

[eternal heart]

i just burnt an engram to get me to acclaim 50 so that won’t be an option for a bit

[north sluice]

@eternal heart bonus tech. Until it's fixed, combining ring of conversion artifact with heir causes the heir shield to become uncapped for some reason, so you just kinda gain a max overshield instantly on demand

Wrong video

Here's the right one

[eternal heart]

the solar pulse has an origin trait that talks about increased rpm is that strong enough to make it the clear choice?

[north sluice]

Honestly I didn't even check that. It might be. I prefer it just because it's solar damage

[eternal heart]

i understand that it’s an exotic mod boost so there’s layers of expensive rng

but i care about the character being strong so im willing to grind

@dry chasm

mfw no balls

i think i know what weapons i want. what artifacts do i want?

i know enough about artifacts to know that 3/4 are way stronger than 1/2 but idk what i’m looking for

[eternal heart]

this gif is your personality for the foreseeable future isn’t it?

[sinful jetty]

i can make it a gif

[eternal heart]

oh jeez

[north sluice]

Here's mine
Resonating pact also works for 4

[spice wren]

so any artifact that increases summon and weapon damage?

[remote wind]

i need help on estela

I can just run chaos today and get her artifacts decent. I have Bellicose Pact but with these attributes

[eternal heart]

i know there are artifacts that increase your dmg upon summoning but i think the summons getting better is all talent tree

[remote wind]

Should it be damage, super, ability, signature???

its what I keep seeing

[spice wren]

yes so I want to know if it applies to summons as well

[eternal heart]

idk enough this is my newest thread

(number 5)

[spice wren]

I need to know

[eternal heart]

guys help

i know estela has shooters cmon guys get in here

[rugged spoke]

While I haven’t tested them, the ones that should increase both tend to be considerably weaker. For slot 3 the ones I saw increase damage by 20/25% where Bellicose pact increases damage by 37% for summons which is her main damage. I can look into any of the specific ones possible later tonight/tomorrow if there is one you want tested (look for increases damage so like slot 3 ring of courage).

[ruby bough]

@remote wind what I use

[spiral canopy]

great info in this thread 👍🏽

[eternal heart]

all the good threads have the 🧵 emoji btw

[spiral canopy]

legend thanks for the tip

[remote wind]

thank youuuu

[spice wren]

yeah buuut you're increasing 25% on her gun and summon, meanwhile 37% is only summon

I know the dragon does a lot, but does the small summons warrant that extra 12% at the cost of 25% weapon damage?

[rugged spoke]

Between super + summons they account for over 50% of your total damage in a minute test, at least at high tier Estela’s. Weapon damage accounts for less then 25% of your total damage, and the rest is accounted for by accident + summon explosion (which apparently doesn’t get enhanced by summon damage from my test just now…. That doesn’t seem right).

This was all done with SE at 900 rpm’s, once your heavy ammo is out, your accidents/ explosion damage decreases more giving a higher % to your summons. In most game play scenerios this means that the Belicose pact will most likely come out ahead, as the 20% over all damage (couldn’t find any good 25% ones in slot 3 for her) needs almost perfect uptime on misfortune to come out close with SE.

I will say that with Heir being upgraded there might be an argument for trying out ring of courage. The increased uptime with firing might allow for more accidents/explosions that might tip things… in a boss fight at least. But I would need to do some actual tests once my Heir is upgraded a bit.

[spice wren]

yeah I only have a T1 estela, are you talking in the sense of T6? Because you do get crazy summon bonuses with talent trees, so are you talking in that sense?

also I have gallows, but because of weapon mastery heir might be better. Hell, the stock might be better so I would use furies buuut furies is BP

also if you say "weapon only counts for 25% of the total damage" in what scenarios? Because the dragon does a lot of damage I agree, but it's not like he's up everytime. And you say that while you have both bellicose pact and responsive pact/resonating pact, of course the weapon will do less damage.

[rugged spoke]

So this might be a couple responses to answer all the different questions. But yea this is at T6, but that also adds to non summon damage too. As I mentioned her T2 ability (sacrifice) is not affected by summon damage so universal damage increase would assist there, also T6 will trigger these explosions more frequently by higher corruption gain. The only true pure “summon” damage increase is at T5 for her. I will say T3 might be the one thing that could be a changing point as this allows for better uptime on summons during non boss burn phases tho. During these times if you lose misfortune on the enemy tho your accident count and thus non summon damage decreases too tho.

[rugged spoke]

I did the test with SE as it has the highest RPM for myself right now, sadly I haven’t rolled an exotic RoF on it yet so the faster reload was the best I could do. I also only did the test till I ran out of Heavy ammo, so in this will heavily favor non summon damage too vs times when you have to use lower rpm weapons. Using weapons with lower RoF decreases the amount of sacrifices/accidents thus increasing the summon damage ratio, as long as you can maintain summons.

[spice wren]

I think the best tests are either isaakis solo damage for pure damage test and the current morgan's event

Like you just run a bunch of times the same setup, get the average damage, and compare that to other setups

[rugged spoke]

The little dragons are actually her highest ratio of damage. Even in the ~ minute tests they do over 2x total damage then the super, and this is starting off with 0 summoned at the beginning. I also did not use my summons damage artifacts. The one thing I made sure of was that the artifacts had signature/ability/super on them as that is what she aims for. These three stats also scale stupidly well compared to the likes of weapon damage and other abilities.

These were the artifacts I used.

[rugged spoke]

I haven’t found a way to pull off solo Issaki with her yet, except through more “test your luck” scenarios with the weak spots which I am not willing to do atm. The damage test I will say isn’t as optimal as could be, but it is a scenerio which should favor the scenerio of universal artifacts. It is the max amount of explosions/accidents possible and 100% uptime on heavy weapon damage. The more time our summons have time to get to enemies before we can (through like walls and what not) the greater the difference should make.

[spice wren]

ah so using courageous planetesimal is where you had 25% weapon damage?

[rugged spoke]

With that I do plan to try out the ring on her with Heir at some points. I could see some situations it might be able to work out.

[rugged spoke]

Yes with my true artifacts weapon damage was only ~ 13% damage.

[spice wren]

remember that heir is not just damage it's survivability as well

I mean she's tanky with T1 (is why I got that talent) but on a eclipse situation she wouldn't have that T1

morgan's is a good showcase of a team based endgame activity for this

what was the 4th artifact btw?

[rugged spoke]

Ring of reflection. Part of why I took off my 2nd artifact. I wanted to reduce how much extra damage the artifact ability gave. You can’t really test her damage without good sub stats tho just due to how stupidly crazy signature/ability/super enhances her.

[spice wren]

me without a solar perk 😭

[fossil silo]

Didn't we get new artifacts with the season 2 update? Also could it be new best in slot for over shield build with her?

[wintry gorge]

Which artifacts? And why would you build into overshield instead of her summons?