#Gwynn artifact discussion š§µ
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i have 4 mythics (pictured above) that iām happy with but iād love to hear what other people think about alternate artifacts AND or attributes
i plan on hunting for both recovery and void boost as i hunt for exotics
Am I gonna have to post mine when I'm back in game?
Iām not super convinced on super boost tbh I normally cancel super after the initial swing to do damage with weapons
i heard someone talking about jolted transit having portions of the perk which stack up to 60+ but i havenāt received confirmation so idc
iām not gonna fully disagree you might be right that super is cope
i think slot 3 / 4 can be reasonably discussed but i donāt think iām changing slots 1 / 2
do you think Ability/signature/void/weapon is the play?
Gwynn artifact discussion š§µ
Yeah what Iām going for on 3/4 on both of my final two for that
well said lad could be the move i donāt plan on deleting what i have but im not against farming more
Only actual artifact changes I have compared to you resolute in 1 and courageous in 3 but I donāt think it matters much in the grand scheme of things
i need to do a lot of research iāll find the tweet that started me on the journey just gimme a sec
iāll dm i guess
Just felt the take -35% damage in close range was better for me then the improved healing and overshield
iām hearing people say that exotics have a daily cap which feels repulsive just hearing it
Oh god but Iāll believe it chaos does not feel like the odds it lists once u farm a lot
iām referring to the re-rolling from the accounts that iāve heard
which just seems miserable
Here's what I'm running. Not the best I know. But works for me. (I don't have discord on the phone I play on so it's a photo)
Crowther....
I hope this channel grows
Binging planetisimal is currently bugged rn so iām running unrelenting evolution because you do get DR when you Soul Assault
scroll down to the artefacts that dont even work on gwyn, choose 2 random exotic ones and get them to high enough power for level 5 perks with double mythic damage ones
and is that a pact artifact i see?
And courageous is better unless you are t0 in 3rd slot
it is not, however doesnt belicose veil do the same thing at a higher buff?
Try ring of courage if your T6 basically 100% uptime on the 20% damage bonus. Iām using it untill I get a G Roll bellicose
this is my build since we build sharing
:c
heals a lower amount than stated, itās a big reason why iām in the other thread discussing gwynns artifacts
T0 can have pretty much same uptime
link please
Abit less consistently but close, might be safer to run courageous
if youāre T6 i believe you could swap out your third slot for belicose veil
elaborate
higher damage buff and easier to focus it into your void dance
T2 Offers a second TP charge and belicose veil gives 77% damage buff to your next ability after casting a movement ability
i heard super attribute was cope cuz ppl are animation cancelling
no cooldown from what i seen and it does work on the void orbs too
super attribute isnt the most important stat, people ARE ult canceling for Higher burst DPS in the current raid because of Gwynnās T1 ability. However in a longer damage phase (for example day one raids where youāre under power) you may not want to cancel super as all of her damage is split evenly between her abilities, super and weapon damage
I have a decent roll on bellicose but man, the refactoring is killing me, Iām also leveling up Ningā¦. For me to even try out bellicose Iād instantly drop 400 power level.
like im leaning towards a
Defence/Healing/Recovery/Health
Void/Ability/Signature/Weapon
split
yea i feel you, at the moment iām not touching my artifacts until i have a ton of refactoring mats, plus the fact that i have 3 great stats on my 3/4 slot i dont see much of a need to farm out anything new atm
yea that would probably be the god roll relics for a majority of play
could be the move
in harder content i cant imagine super damage being that vital to a clear that you would need rolls with super boost
yea i believe so
Is anyone here in calamity overseer btw? For her shotty roll Iām really struggling to kill the impact boss shinka on my own. I 85d auto loading and karmic roll because I love auto loading in expanse. But I just got the exotic mod for firing line and have the FR KR g roll too but not 85. Just wondering what everyone elseās experience is so far.
if i remember correctly in calamity ops arenāt more gwynnās than usual using the exotic shotty?
Maybe in NA? Iām in EU everyone top 123 in overseer is using retribution with either auto loading or firing line, Ning and Estela get a ton of heavy reserve ammo shotty gets dust so itās pretty difficult to calculate enough ammo for boss.
just double checked and they are not using the exotic shotty
i have no advice as iām currently trying to get my gwynn above 70k power so i can get out of expert 1 </3
do i want a conjugation retribution and a line formation one?
Are you EU?
2 shotties?
NA
I have a few spare attempts left was gunna offer a carry š«
most likely, line formation excels most at mag dumping during boss phases so conjugation would be a good option for flat out more damage for shinkaās
heard
but if you struggle to kill ads to proc cadenza i could also see an argument for something like duo loader too
Just from testing IMO conjunction is nice in lower difficulty with concertos auto reload, but tanker ads make firing line the better option since it reloads an extra round, stack that with karmic and you have a machine gun shotty.
rippp, i appreciate the thought but iād be an easier carry with higher power
line formation?
My B yes š
i keep forgetting about the exotic mods because my unlucky ass hasnt gotten a matching mod </3
Not flexing but Iād highly suggest chasing this roll
If you use all of your front line keys and farm grandmaster you will get the mods in no time.
iāve gotten spread mods the last three times i ran itā¦
"No I did not stop for death. He kindly stopped for me. The carriage held but ourselves. And immortality"
the super stat seems like cope so i switched to void boost but i dont have a maxed out stat yet so idk how itāll feel and im missing the artifact i want in slot 1 so i wont be running expanse again until i have an artifact setup im happy with
iām t6 pls explain
i donāt see how courageous planetesimal even comes close to vigilant planetesimal or bellicose veil
I am not oversear but I watched some oversear runs
Are you teleporting + swapping from concerto -> shotgun and dumping + spin at 6 orbs
your guns arent horrib but the absolute majority of your dmg is in abilities
My build btw at T1
Binging is trash. It heals off the base damage which is nothing lol.
You are better off being a little more micro manage on picking up orbs than relying on Binging Heals
so i want bellicose veil for 70% + ability dmg
You have no idea how glad am I to finally finish the exotic mods. The first 2 Exotic mods were drops. I had to spend 2 Exotic Choice mod for Karmic though š¦
are there dps comparisons for line formation and conjugation iāve heard arguments for both
Gratz!!! I just need GM keys to 85 that roll, I improved my Strat my shinka was a breeze we are like 31 in our overseer server.
new wishlist
Not that I know of. You have to compare Conjuction vs Line Formation with its exotic perk
I would imagine the rapid fire bonus + 2 extra shells in the mag would let you do more DPS than a 20% damage bonus of the base
spent 20 engrams and got dual loader karmic reward
The extra 2 shells are buffed by Karmic Reward as well. Mythic perks are damage boost to the base damage of the gun. Itās not multiplicative like we intuitively think
i just gotta wait for the line formation roll to drop ig
If I have enough time + get the right rolls I can test Conjuction vs Exotic Line Formation within 1 reload
But Iām currently testing things for Ning
ning is busted i donāt blame you
Yeah I have him built, Iām just data gathering with random stuff like how much of an increase Band 2-> Band 3 on Maha is.
Are his talent boost upgrades accurate (cause you canāt trust anything in this game with broken, bugged or poorly worded effect)
How much DPS increase does each talent give
His damage pie to help decision make on Artifact and attribute choices etc
All tested in a 20 second window to mirror Issaki
i achieved my goal of top 100 expanse regional (šØš¦) so i donāt really care about line formation
Congrats twinsie
I'm trying to break into top 100 of uk.... need more power
i love the title icon it matches well with my heir title
for low power content, dual loader is pretty good since its QoL
i have a dual loader roll it just doesnāt seem appealing iād rather try line formation to see what i think
Hmm I might try to speed run expanse
I have both Ning and Gywn to try
i did it cuz i absolutely needed the icon for my outfit
Icon?
the leaderboard title
Managed to hit top 5 uk lets go
DANG ur nuts i gotta run it back after i get artifacts im happy with
Top 2 Scotland top 5 uk top 50 server
Oh if itās expanse we were talking about Iām still only like top 10 Scotland unranked uk only ran it once for all the chests might do it again too
like i said i ran it for the icon i dont know how many out there are the same
It does have a nice title too
And I did die twice in my first run and still got sub 7 mins so I guess itās worth checking how fast I can actually do it
i find the challenge enjoyable on top of the cosmetics
Whatās annoying for the power leaderboards now Iām at the point that my only power increases is via refactor
slot machine mechanics!!!!!
I'm changing to Wales in 18 days š
isnt that how you got T6?
I did the founders bundles to T6 Gwynn. Plus leaves and fortuna crystals get LE ships
niceee, i was trying to make a joke but it didnt end well lol
Ohhh. My bad. Humour written down is harder for me to get
makes sense, hard to understand tone through text
Tbf my humour can get a little.... dark
So close to 72k now. Just need expanse to reset probably twice.. and 2 more concerto drops for C3 on my catalyst.
all my catalysis is done i just need the materials for the 3rd band
I've logged out the game now. Only so much fishing and non pinnacle stuff I can do
artifacts!!!
I would if it was spiked shell, but its not lol.
Plus didn't go to bed until 2am last night. This reaper is tired and it's showing with response time
fair
thatās exactly what mine looks like twin
So you know the pain of trying to get more concertos to drop.
Artifact guilding.... one more but need a few resources
Iāve got the cores and dupes but not the photons.
No weapon enhance rip
Weapon over super right?
Super is prob the best second in slot but these are g tier attributes, Im just happy I finally got a good bellicose to try out
This are the attributes you want super isnt worth
Yes
Your right
The game dont want to give me 3 or 4 slot artefacts haha
I know that feeling or I get ones for arc and solar
Yeah or some random bs what nobody wants
The good thing is we can still lvl up the right one and give good attributes later when a good one drops
I'm pretty happy with my artifacts now. Just got to do my final guilding done. But waiting for expanse to reset now haha
I can only get higher throught artefacts im 73.760
71280 something. Still need to C3 concerto as well
I'm not logged in. Having a slower day in Destiny Rising
dude INSANE pickup today
ignore the attribute score iām poor itāll raise in time
I'm at 71288. Logged in to check. But I'm pinnacle saving today
So what Are we Running in 3rd and 4th Slot
Which Attributes For T6?
Signature/ability/void and weapon for exotics
Okay thanks* will try it out
for sure
Hate the fact I have yet to get a void attribute on a god roll 3rd and 4th artifact. Would much rather have that than both with super boostšµāš«
Praying I hit the right attribute tomorrow on my attribute rolls to possibly get #1 Gwynn na
92nd Gwynn in England
Didnt manage to get top 50 Emea 
Will need to probs spend a bunch of refactoring to get it
I only care about regional. I still got to finish guilding, and finish concerto catalyst as well
Though I might change from England to my revive location of Wales
I was kinda hoping to be no1 Scotland but that guy seems even more invested in Gwynn then me by a long shot considering the emea placements
They will max out soon. Unless they did GM to go to 85.... I would if they let me use Gwynn. My estela just makes power but gets destroyed
Iām at 85 on both guns at 73560 and ranked 55 emea he is at 27th emea so imma guess Iāll need to do like a bunch of refactors if I want that placement which is a waste since power doesnāt matter above a certain point
85 don't matter as it be reset to 80 at seasons end its why I'm reluctant to do it.
G Roll or nah?
itās close but you want signature instead of superš
This functions with her dash right ?
yea itās the best in slot 3 itās a night in day difference in the you play her
thats under certain conditions actually; the longer the damage window the more it falls off
if youāre bursting shinkas: Itās amazing yes. If youāre doing boss damage or any prolonged amount of damage it sadly begins to fall off
so what you say in itās place?
iād go courageous planetisimal for boss DPS as the 18% damage buff affects her shorgun along with her ability on top of having higher uptime, another good option would be ring of courage for a 20% damage buff for all the same upsides as the one previously stated
in boss damage scenarios her shotgun is an important part of her DPS so youād want to upgrade that for a higher impact as the 18/20% general buff would get more mileage than a 77% buff that is used once (twice if you have T2)
i suppose maybe valient veil in slot 4 could make up for the weapon damage buff though
Yea im playing courageous too , stack x10 and for sustained damage better
It's exotic time then
"It looks nice, like death itself"
real
Mine are way off still
all good
"Uh huh" I'm definitely saving pinnacle so I can do hellhest quest....
i have like 45 L E charms saved and iām hoping i can t6 umeko and ikora
Finished catching all the fishes though
YOURE AN ABSOLUTE WEAPON
Got 18LE saved but I may have to spend money
iāve bought everything in the āSubscriptionā and āBundlesā
and a mythic skin for gwynn and ning and i want the one for Jolder
I did that when I got gwynn to t6
Not fussed about stuff for ning or jolder
ew 1 sec
I'm always lurking in the shadows. Taking souls and digging holes.
I've got all of Gwynns stuff. Hopefully they will add more
i really like the umeko skin but that was bright dust so i donāt know if that counts
Oh I have all the bright dust ones
i think i bought the ikora one
my favorite color is green
then purple
then black
then yellow
no iām not giving a top 5
Mines Green too. Dark greens. Then black and purple. It's a goth thing š
dude are you messin with me
are you mirroring me or are we just tapped in like that
/srs im pretty autistic
So am I.... highly. I love trains and dinosaurs
i love frogs
and lego i think i have some destiny mega blood stuff
i wear the expensive wolf skin but i donāt rank it top 3 itās aight
I've got destiny books, couple of figures and t shirts.
dude i love the destiny books
i have like 6 i will be keeping them till i die and passing them down
REAL
dude youāre awesome i mess with ya
dude can we vc and i show u me and my brothers room some time?
You'll see a lot of trains, dinosaurs, games and a long haired person lol
my brothers the dino guy
dude iām so proud of him heās worked at world renound museums and heās been on digs and stuff i can get him in the call some time and you can chop it up if you like
he loves movies tho you gotta have your like top 3 ready to go
heās the most autistic undiagnosed person iāve ever met
heās loved them since he was like 3
Lol. Nice. Jurassic park, Serenity, Star Wars revenge of the sith
dude donāt get him started on JP heās re watched like hundreds of times
thereās like one specific niche dino movie he loves
the disney one
So have I, should here me say whats wrong with all them
dude THIS ONE
Got it on vhs and blu ray lol
vhs dude my family are physical media DEMONS
So am I. I love physical media
i wanna collect records but it feels basic
are the destiny soundtracks on vinyl?
hollup
the answers yes dude that would be a vibe
They do. Makes me miss the Red War tbh
i miss wanting to GET ON THE GAME DAMN
Attal, cook me things in this. Instead of Roast Chicken, honey glazed ham, pumpkin pasties and cranberry sauce....
thereās a character somewhere near in this clip that has a gravity cannon do we know who that is? is that maru?
That's Maru yes
"No, I did not stop for death. He kindly stopped for me. The carriage held but ourselves. And immortality"
i meant primary
One concerto dupe down, one more to go for C3
Iām on the fence as to whether I go for c3 on concerto
Gwynn feels so lacklustre now
sheās my fav so i sent it but im mature enough to admit that i donāt blame you for hesitating leveling exotics feels like poo
It's kinda my thing. And say that to the poor fireteam I was in doing strikes earlier, even not trying I was still mvp
She's my chosen lightbearer. One that suits me down go the ground. And the best ghost
if itās any better, c3 on concerto is a nice damage buff
I will find out in a week or so....
My favourite too. I'll main Gwynn until EoS. Its who I'm comfortable using. A nice aggressive warlock... which is a bit like my play style in D1/D2... just wish I had a scythe in them
fr, once i seen she had a scythe i was locked innn
Plus I am a goth, though I don't wear all the make up anymore lol only for Halloween parties 𤪠as its only time I can get away with it.
My disappointment when the scythe in season of the haunted was just a temporary pick up
Yep. And the finisher
Shiny shark.
also boosts your power
lmao yea, i just hit 73k today by getting it
"I hear it, deaths footsteps"
iām all mythic artifacts and 1 85 weapon hardstuck 69k Ėā Ė
MAXXED exotic and i canāt hit 70
I have exotic artifacts. Neither weapon are 85, as currently I can't use gwynn in gm. My Estela barely makes power.
iām trying to power level ning for gms
I really don't like using hunters and cba grinding chaos for arc artifacts. Unless I do them for Attal
is this a decent setup for gwynn idk why it takes me ages to kill shinka in calamity open for suggestions
bellicose is an incredible call
itās widely believed that binging is bugged and doesnāt work ā Ģ
don't really have issue with staying alive mainly about the damage would you change anything? like why my damage so low
im watching a clip of a gwynn he kills the shinka with 11 bullets while mine takes ages to get killed
could be a number of things everything combines artifacts/relic/weapon and mod rolls
3rd one is almost god roll and 4th one is god roll but idk been hearing transit is garbage while others says its great
and some says veil is too situational
its driving me nuts
when ppl say bellicose veil is situational theyāre talking about swapping to courageous or abundant
would you change anything on what i have to deal with shinkas?
i run ability/signature/void and weapon enhancement if exotic
her abilities are better than weapons
this is my wishlist and this is what i run currently and it feels alright
I'm still running these. But goy exotic Binging and Courageous but need the material to Reroll them so they are higher
@worthy sundial slot 1 and 2 are for survivability they arenāt as important as 3 and 4
sheās dps not support
whatās your power level? you can get up to 30% more damage if youāre 3k above power
power level and i suppose the recommended power level for calamity ops is whatās important
i know thats what im mainly asking for and trying to figure how to increase my damage
im at 73k power currently
ok definitely shouldnāt be a power issue
yea that whats driving me nuts
im watching zombie team runs from gwynn POV and guy murderes the shinka in 11 bullets
I need that 3rd concerto.... then c3
courageous,abundant or bellicose in 3 and abundant or rampaging in 4
take a look at those 5 and see what suits your playstyle best
imma take a peep too cause my shinka bursts could use some work
is transit any good or its a waste?
yea check it out and let me know what you think
ok well if youāre directly comparing to calamity ops #1 then the problem lies in the fact T5 makes each void orb deal 50% more damage so thats probably where a majority of her āspeedā is coming from
each orb individually doing 120k⦠each pellet doing 14k
i havenāt tried it enough
zayam has his own pov and his stats are public in game
but heās t6 keep in mind
what artifact is he using?
T6 unite!!
so hereās a fun little discovery, the reason zayam is hitting 14k per pellet on shinkaās is because stunned impact shinkaās take triple damage from at least shotguns
mine is a t6 thats whats driving me nuts
how is he killing it with 11 bullet thats what im wondering
my strongest guess is something similar to his artifacts buffing his ability damage multiplicatively
if your 73k power then your cadenza must have C3⦠The only logical answer would be your artifacts would be the best guess considering thatās the only thing thatās different between you two
i got the artifacts suggestions from zombie but the difference in video and my killing is so god damn huge
duo loader could make it easier to constantly re-proc karmic reward?
since you have to hit the same target consecutively without reloading i believe
but other than max concerto and weapon mastery i canāt think of any places gwynn gets weapon damage besides artifacts
i got two weapon damage on artifact but idk feels hella weak still
the artifact grind is LONG
"When I died, I heard the buzzing of flies. The room fell silent, like the air suddenly calming down in the midst of a storm"
top 50 in the country for expanse with a bad run im gonna run it back for a sub 5 ( top 25)
I'm quoting again š š¤£
i figured i was just excited to share
the expanse leaderboard title is perfect for gwynn
I'm too slow lol
itās alright twin
I just can't clear the GM either without my gwynn...
i assume itās a gacha thing but it feels bad to build a character and not be able to use them
GM resets after maintenance to hopefully.
"Uh huh"
@round linden top 20 in the nationš
Nice!!! Wish I was younger and faster to react quicker š š¤£
itās okay iām on caffeine and amphetamines and flower
I had to cut down on caffeine as it could of..... yeah that ain't on topic.
"All lives are equal before death"
the evil filter fairy wonāt let me share what kinda flower but you get it youāre a smart cookie
I dm you what lol
I did not stop for death, he kindly stopped for me. The carriage held but ourselves. And immortality
heard there are new artifacts day ruined
yea, they added like two for each slot
Yay more chaos farming....
Greetings Guardians, my name is Gwynn here. Plans for weekend?
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yo guys, does anyone know if Inverted Fury works on gwynn? i'm confused about "shielded" cuz it's not the same as overshield i guess
iām not sure courageous and bellicose and abundant are all better slot 3
"When I died, I heard the buzzing of flies..."
Inverted works on every character , you just need to have a normal shield not overshield
"None may sin before me"
thanks for the info guys


@vague comet
Concerto done... now to do the grindy reroll on artifacts. There's one more guilding to go too... but the expanse isn't for me this rotation. (Estela and Attal on 64k and 63k).
And I've not level 85 my weapons either.
WAHOOOOO
I hate artifact rerolling...
I really hate artifact rerolling so resource wasting
dang ur goated. i dont keep exotic artifacts cuz im picky asf im grinding acclaim for the boost rn
I'm over half way to master 2... then Grandmaster
is there a consistent way to grind proficiency?
i run gwynn when i do my daily ādump all pinnacle energy into legendary campaignā session
Legendary campaign or Chaos
couldnāt have said it better myself
Lots of chaos
Till out of pinnacle and get like 1 or 2 proficiency without it lol š
help, they removed impact shinkaās from calamity ops and now iām playing a completely different gameš„²
I feel the pain. Luckily I have a good Attal with piercing.
switch to ning!!!
fair point, i actually might have a chance at building him over helhest since i already got his gold medal
real
I really, really hate rerolling artifacts
REAL
iām leveling my ning to keep my expanse leaderboard spot
I can't finger this out. Artifact I put on has less power but I've gained overall power....
It's blowing my warlock brain.
Shut it Crowther
i have achieved my goal
Shouts Scotland!!!!!
I'm currently 50th in England...
For a few more days then I changing to Gwynn revive location....of Wales
top in england is top 10 in the server im only top 30
so top wales is top 12 all of uk top england is top uk and im 2nd uk so yeah i think wales is a good bet for the leaderboards also is thematic
I haven't 85 my weapons and tbh can't see the point when it goes back to 80
i get that but tbh its not a hard material to get so i dont mind it
It is if you put everything into one character lol. Estela for solar is now 66k. But stage 21... dead
I did 500 runs last two days .. so annoying you get always artefacts which you donāt need . And then this reroll thing .. way too expensive
It is way too expensive. What's the max for each artifact to reroll too?
I think something around 2900?
OK some ain't far off at 2810 but it's what 9 rolls
i think the luck goes up to 15
I've got 9 luck atm on mine
highest points is 440 idk what that is artifact power wise
Looked up , max is 3000
Oh poop. Lots of wasted materials refactoring then
500 runs??
Dude it cost 30 refractor to get +10 LMAOO
2800->3000 600 refractor materials
There NEEDs to be a way to convert those rocks man
Make it like 100 Mythical Rocks -> 1 Refractor PELASEEEE
Or buy them from Xur for strange coins
does anyone know if a meta shift happened?
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Is there a list or suggestion I can save to farm for her artifacts? Iāve just been using whatever I can most power from so I have bad bonuses like 20% movement when shield breaks š¤¢
do you want me to waste your time or teach you how to be good at the game?
Artifact guilding is done!!!!
HUGE
I was a gwynn main Nr.7 in germany and idk rank 20 on server or so but gwynn is kinda useless at the moment
Nice reaction then tell me where und can use her rn
you are just starting arguments for no reason itās really embarrassing and isnāt productive one bit
I didnt start anything. I told u her kind of state atm. Take it or leave it.
Iām still trying to find a max stat artifact so I can commit to 3k
i have a good rolled inverted fury that iām re rolling for umeko but i canāt find anything worth re rolling on gwynn or ning ā Ģ
Oh I'll get there it's just... ehhhh I need pinnacle now š š¤£
Honestly the one system I have the biggest issues with should atleast be a way to reroll attributes or single artifact substats
itās SO expensive šš
Yeah just the refactoring is thousands of pinnacle energy
and itās thousands in pinnacle energy for legendary campaign resources too itās rough š
Bump
@twin jewel The artifacts I currently running. Not the best
i have that top roll now thank you bestie :3
That's only 2 I liked.
@livid topaz what's happened to your Gwynn? Other then 85 weapons gone??
I'm stilling number 1 in Wales atm. 7th uk
My artifacts still a way off 3000 though. Those attribute things messed one up power wise when I stripped arc and put void in
yeah reason i probs fell behind is i stopped refactoring was just a massive amount of effort i only cared about scotland anyway
The former number 1 in Wales hasn't logged on yet I don't think or used gwynn. So it's fleeting at 1. But I think it was like 10 power in it.
So has anyone tested whether the new solar shotgun (Thermopylae) is better than eternal retribution for Gwynn?
I did some basic tests using a karmic+fraternity thermo vs karmic+line, removed my mods with void damage, removed companion buffs, no Cadenza stacks and the total damage for empty mag were pretty close (even with my ER being lv85 vs lv80 Thermo). But then ER wins if you factor the void damage from artifacts, void bonus from Ikora and line formation being just superior when you need to dump your mag in a short time window.
I think it's nice to have no, even if it's just for elemental rotations, but I'll keep using my ER most of time.
line formation > double loader?
Yes, especially if you run Concerto for refill on swap.
Thanks heaps.
I can only see dual loader being better if for some reason you have no ads and can't build 4 cadenza to swap dump >swap-reload>dump again with line formation and need to minimize reload time on a damage phase. I've seen some Gwynn run that combo on expanse, but tbh I'm still not convinced it was worth it over line formation anyway.