Tan-2's Estela Build & Discussion Thread

[terse nymph]

Hello Everyone! With Estela's release today, I wanted to bring to light my recommended build for her, as well as let this thread be open to everyone for discussion purposes.
Please note, this thread is not meant to be a place to disagree with anyone based on what they prefer to run Estela with. This thread is meant to collaborate with testing, recommending, and suggesting different ideas for Estela’s growth as a viable unit in all content in the game.
So without further ado, let’s get into it!

Character Overview: Estela (Mythic Solar Character)

Abilities:

• Misfortune’s Guide: Unleashes contaminated energy, dealing damage to hit combatants and inflicting them with [Misfortune. - Targets are marked, making them prioritized by all of Estela’s Summons. Summons’ attacks deal an additional 35% damage to marked targets. Whenever Misfortune is inflicted, it instantly grants 7 Corruption. Targets inflicted with Misfortune will also be inflicted with Corrupt].

• Bewitched Illusion: Estela summons a Bewitched Illusion to join the battlefield and fight combatants on its own. The more Corruption she has accumulated, the higher the level of the summoned Bewitched Illusion will be. Higher level Bewitched Illusions deal greater damage.

• Violent Reverie: Summons a powerful Violent reverie to continuously attack combatants by firing a contaminating beam.

Passive:

• Corruption: Attacking combatants with weapons accumulates Corruption, up to 10 times per second. Casting Bewitched Illusion consumes Corruption, This ability cannot be cast without sufficient energy.

Relic Traits:

• Calamitous Pandemic: Combatants affected by Estela’s own Misfortune spread Misfortune to the nearest combatant within a 10-meter radius when they are defeated, dealing 1850 Solar damage. However, Misfortune’s duration is reduced by 2s with each spread, until it reaches the minimum of 4s. A single instance can spread up to 5 times.

• Dream Aid: While Violent Reverie is present, all combatants’ Misfortune countdowns will be paused, and Corruption will be accumulated with 80% more efficiency.

• Focused Fire: When Misfortune’s Guide is cast, Bewitched Illusions’ Blink will fire 3 Breaths of Temptation at the target simultaneously.

Weapon Mastery:
Lvl 1. Attacking a combatant affected by Misfortune with a weapon 11 times triggers an Accident, dealing 814 Solar damage to the combatant and granting 5 additional Corruption. If a combatant is defeated with Misfortune, Estela gains additional Corruption equal to 7 times the number of Accidents that have affected the target.

Lvl 2. Accidents deal an additional +30% damage.

Lvl 3. Accidents deal an additional +60% damage.

Lvl 4. Everytime an Accident is triggered, the number of attacks required to trigger the next Accident on that combatant is reduced by 1, for a minimum of 7 attack.

Lvl 5. Accidents deal an additional +100% damage.

Talents:

• T1: When Estela or her Summons’ attack targets inflicted with Misfortune, they will recover health equal to initial damage dealt x 37% or 1110% respectively.

• T2: When a Bewitched Illusion expires or is replaced, it gains the Sacrifice ability, charging at the nearest combatant and exploding. This explosion has a 6-meter radius and deald 1110/2664/4440 Solar damage based on the Illusion’s level.

• T3: Increases Bewitched Illusion’s max duration to 42s.

• T4: The additional damage Estela’s Summons’ deal to combatants inflicted with Misfortune is increased to 50%.

• T5: Estela’s Summons’ now deal +20% damage.

• T6: Estela recovers 2 Corruption per second while in combat, and 4 per second while out of combat. The base corruption granted by triggering Accident is increased to 10.

Artifact Setup:

For Estela’s Artifacts, we want to build into her summons, as they will be the priority source of damage for her kit. As you can see in the image I've included below, I’ve chosen Ring of Abundance, Ring of Conversion, Bellicose Pact, and Responsive Pact.

Bellicose and Responsive Pact are both Offensive Artifacts that buff our Summon Damage. The cool part about this…this also counts towards our Super since it’s a summon ability!
Bellicose at Set lvl 5 grants +37% increased summon damage, Responsive at Set lvl 5 grants +40% increased attack damage for 6 seconds. (Attack damage is just regular damage, so don’t be confused by attack damage and DAMAGE). These both stack with the Super Boost, Signature Boost, Solar Boost, and Ability Strength attributes, granting Estela’s Summons a huge amount of damage.
Do note that Signature Boost only counts towards your signature abilities, NOT your super, so it's the only stat that won’t affect it.

In terms of Ring of Abundance and Conversion, your summons will heal you whenever they damage an energy, so you will also gain an overshield from overhealing and scale it pretty high using these two artifacts. Conversion at max grants 80% of overslow healing from the wielder’s own abilities into an overshield, whilst Abundance at max will increase the potency of the healing and overshield gain by 48%.
Attribute wise for the artifacts, it will go like this:

• Ring of Abundance: (Overshield Bonus, Elemental Resistance, Healing Bonus, Health Boost)
• Ring of Conversion: (Overshield Bonus, Elemental Resistance, Healing Bonus, Health Boost)
• Bellicose Pact: (Ability Strength, Signature Boost, Solar Boost, Super Boost)
• Responsive Pact: (Ability Strength, Signature Boost, Solar Boost, Super Boost)

Weapons:

Furies III is without a doubt the best in slot weapon for Estela. You are free to use a Mythic Pulse if you’d like, but there isn’t really much competition against it. In terms of the Light Machine Gun, your BIS option will be Scorched Earth with Fraternity & Clepdystra. The fact that the lmg is solar and has an extremely high RPM, it absolutely fills that corruption bar insanely fast! BVD4 is a good choice if you run Auto Loading & Misfortune's Confetti in areas with a lot of ads, as the bullet ricochets do count towards corruption & the ammo economy is higher than Scorched Earth. But, since it's also an Arc LMG, the elemental synergy will be less beneficial to Estela than with Scorched Earth on in areas like Calamity Ops or The Expanse. If you choose a Mythic Pulse over Furies III, then throw Gallows on as your Exotic Machine Gun as it received a hefty buff in a latest patch.

Other than that, this is my suggested and recommended setup for Estela! Hopefully we can all come together to continue testing her kit, finding out what best suits her, and push further into the endgame with Grandmaster Difficulty releasing this coming Monday (September 15th)! Have fun Guardians!

Here is a short video of just how disgustingly good her DPS is

[wooden elk]

Could you give us the top 3 options for each assuming you go for mythics instead?

[silent junco]

best weapons to use and perks?

[wooden elk]

It’s listed. Furies 3. Tho I think gallows might be better if you have catalyst 2 on it

[sharp pulsar]

rq, is this the best setup to be used even at t0? or does this assume t1 or something

im going to try to get her t1 but i want to start using her before that too lol

[terse nymph]

bellicose pact, responsive pact, and ring of conversion

[terse nymph]

yes this is best at t0 as well

i've tested abundance and nourishing pact seems to be the victor

[sharp pulsar]

great, thanks

[terse nymph]

npnp

[wooden elk]

I meant for stats 😭 you can’t have 4 stats on mythics

[terse nymph]

ohhhhhhhh mbmb

[terse nymph]

super boost, solar boost, and ability strength

[wooden elk]

Thx

[austere spear]

furies 3 or gallows for estela (gallows doesnt have catalyst)

[terse nymph]

sadly nourishing does not grant overshield with conversion

[narrow walrus]

Thoughts on the solar hmg? Fires faster so theoretically quicker corruption stacks, right?

[terse nymph]

technically yes, it's useable, but for the dmg u need with rapid fire specially against the shinkas, that extra dmg outweighs the higher fire rate

[sharp pulsar]

Just to double check, is ring of abundance or nourishing pact a better choice for the first slot?

[terse nymph]

abundance, i tested nourishing and it does not provide a bigger benefit than abundance does and also doesn't trigger conversion

[daring sentinel]

If F2P or very low spender is going for T1 worth it in the way it was on Gwynn?

[upper shell]

Had anyone tried to see it Confetti on the LMG's ricochet rounds apply corruption?

[keen karma]

This build is actually broken asf

[sharp pulsar]

its looks like t1 is actually really good for estela since it gives her and her summons heals

[ember flax]

How many dupes for her is recommended? Any solid threshold to try and get her at?

[last grove]

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[keen karma]

3-4 is valid

[opaque cipher]

I'm trying to push to c3.

Is it really a big or atleast very noticeable jump from c2?

Thanks in advance!

[keen karma]

Hellll yes, I believe c3 is the extra time up for your summons, them lasting longer is needed bc then you have more time to get those tier 3 summons up before they go away. Easy rinse and repeat

[surreal creek]

Is it not possible to get furies catalyst lev 2 without buying the premium battle pass?

[pliant latch]

Why do not choose Scorched Earth ?

[opaque cipher]

Awesome thank you! I'll try to get her to atleast c3 🙂

[terse nymph]

BVD4 has Misfortune's Confetti, which the Ricochets count towards Corruption stacks. You get them extremely quickly compared to using Scorched. + autoloading is extremely busted, specially when the perk is maxed out, giving you 200% ammo in the mag

[terse nymph]

Correct, T3 seems ot be the best stopping point for her

[pliant latch]

Thank you !

[terse nymph]

npnp!

[pseudo turtle]

It seems T4-6 are really good for her.
I’ve mimicked this build and need better artifacts but so far it’s really fun!
I got her to t3 and then had the chests to pick her 2 more times.
So mine is T5. I got more testing to do with her!

[terse nymph]

t4-t6 is good of course, i said t3 for those who don't want to spend too too much on maxing her out

but im glad you're having fun with the build! ❤️

[pseudo turtle]

Oh, woops. I read your above statement. Lol that’s why I said what I said. My apologies!
But yeah, so far it’s super fun! Just need to farm artifacts like crazy

[opaque cipher]

Hola! Where can I find these chest?

[opaque cipher]

Thank you! Hopefully I can get her to t4 😂 just have to know where I can find the 2 chest 🙂

[pseudo turtle]

In the events and etc. I think it was events I purchased. I didn’t even know I had them until I went through my inventory. lol
It was a box that lets you pick a 5* character

[cunning brook]

What do you recommend for the rotation of furies and the machine gun? What should you open with?

[hardy vale]

Been trying to roll it, got double mythic perk but just with the holster, missing confetti . Is it worth using over scorched at that point? Btw thank you for artifact build I was using dmg reduction and swapped over to your recommendation and works perfect

[terse nymph]

Presuming you are starting with x3 on your summon:
open with your grenade, summon, super, furies III until you reach x3 again.
grenade, summon, switch to your LMG and fire the entire mag.

Repeat.

You’ll do a furies rotation and a LMG rotation for the entirety of dps. The very first rotation will always be your super cast.

To note as well, the Gg roll LMG is Auto Loading Holster + Syncopation/Misfortune’s Confetti. (syncopation for more dmg with your LMG, Misfortunes’s Confetti for quicker corruption stacks if there are ads around the boss as well).

And aim for an exotic Mag mod with auto loading as the perk, as it grants it the ability to also overflow the mag up to 100%.

[cunning brook]

You’re a legend thank you. What about rotation when your super or x3 isn’t ready? Also are you only ever casting x3?

[ancient glade]

Yo

[ancient glade]

So vorpal bad? :(

[ancient glade]

Currently you have her at T1?

Welp, I was wishing to get at least one dupe of her, but since it's not possible for me even if I spend money, it is better for me to save up and maybe see how long term she is

[terse nymph]

Vorpal isn’t bad, for ad clear vorpal works, dps rotation auto loading is WAY better

[terse nymph]

Only x3 during dps you can’t lose out on that dps

[terse nymph]

When super ain’t ready do furies iii and LMG rotation

You’re only adding the super into the furies iii rotation when it’s ready

[terse nymph]

Yes I do

[drowsy urchin]

Furies is dope as you can have unlimited ammo with lmg

[terse nymph]

Yeah I accidentally deleted a furies I got tho so I contacted the devs to get it back

It was unlocked for some reason

So I’m waiting for a response from them as it’s impossible to get another one without waiting for the pass to end lol

I’d be 1/2 for the final catalyst lmao

[drowsy urchin]

Dang, hope they’ll figure out

[ancient glade]

Makes sense

[drowsy urchin]

Imm i dont think i’ll go for a max cat, is just a 15% dmg plus

For 150k coins

[ancient glade]

Btw, what are the perks and catalysts of bad juju? I want to know why it's considered so good

[terse nymph]

Well ye but that’s 1000 power lost lmao

[terse nymph]

Bad juju is in the game?

[ancient glade]

But we don't get just 2 furies III, like we need from somewhere else to get more of those battle pass currency to get both copies on the shop

[boreal olive]

I've heard about it coming at some point because it made estella even better apparently in the alpha or beta, whichever it was

[drowsy urchin]

Yea i know as well, but photon is my priority as u have only a 4% to drop them :/

[ancient glade]

Not yet? You told me that furies III is worse than bad juju later on

[terse nymph]

You get eggs from the black market so that’s where u get the other 2 furies. 2 from the pass 2 from the shop

[drowsy urchin]

Seems the only way to max out the furies is trough the black market

[ancient glade]

Yeah, okay. But I need like 20 more of those to be able to get the last copy

[terse nymph]

That was not me I never said anything about bad juju lmao, I checked message logs lmao

[ancient glade]

Oh lmao. Well, somebody told me that furies III is obviously worse than bad juju later on for estela since it helps with building up the super faster?

[terse nymph]

Bad Juju will def be BIS if they add it to the game but it depends on how strong it is

They may make it Solar I think

[ancient glade]

It was available in the alpha or beta of the game and I do remember that they said it is available through an event, but no dupes were obtainable with it. That's why I am saving up the eggs

[terse nymph]

Brb got a meeting but keep chatting folks

[ancient glade]

Well gtg too lmao

[drowsy urchin]

Mhh i dont think they’ll release another pulse rifle atm

But yea i think i’ll keep the eggs as well

[wooden elk]

don't think you will be able to buy with eggs, maybe like partrich sky you can grab it from select once you get it from event? Also no dupes were obtainable with it because catalysts worked differently, from what i heard it worked like them in d2 where you just had the 1 catalyst no upgrades to it that required dupes. So who knows maybe the event will give dupes in live

[ancient glade]

But they did release it lol

[ancient glade]

Probably yeah

[ancient glade]

We know that soon they will introduce the event which had bad juju

[drowsy urchin]

Yea i was meaning, in the pass

So u couldn’t buy copies with eggs

[sharp pulsar]

Idk if I'm insane, but doesn't seem like this build heals estela at t0

Might switch abundance to nourishing and see if that heals

[terse nymph]

The summons heal her from their attacks fam

You can use nourishing if you wish but abundance is better due to the over shield and heal multiplier increase

[sharp pulsar]

Idk, might need to pay more attention, but at t0 that doesn't seem to be happening

I'll try it again once I get home from work

[ancient glade]

It's just slowly healing

[terse nymph]

Read the relic ability for summon lol

The healing is slow but that’s why a higher abundance helps out

[sharp pulsar]

Ah that's probably why

[terse nymph]

Once that overheal comes in and the over shield starts, it gets insane

[sharp pulsar]

Gotcha ok

[pliant latch]

There is no mod to up auto loading and misfortune perks ?

[terse nymph]

Exotic mods

They have perk upgrades for specific perks on mythic weapons with mythic perks

[pliant latch]

I sent you a screen in dm

[terse nymph]

I'll be able to take a look once I get home

[median onyx]

I see the top 3 stats for the mythic offensive artifacts (super, solar, ability), what are the top 3 for the defensive between overshield, elemental res, healing, health?

[peak egret]

@terse nymph what type of dps can you get with estela in practice range

im gettting ~110k dps in range

[terse nymph]

lemme go test it out

[peak egret]

i sent you a dm with the video clip of it but idk if it will embed it properly

[terse nymph]

nah it didn't

what enemy did u test it on @peak egret

[median onyx]

@terse nymph sorry forgot to tag you in the question

[terse nymph]

@peak egret just using furies might be the play

hold on a few mins

[peak egret]

infinate health servator

im going to sleep but tmr ill upload to yt and send that link instead

[terse nymph]

125-130k dps at T1 is where she's at rn just using furies III alone

BUT
that's after the DPS falloff over a 1 min period

at the start it's well over 280k dps and drops down to 125k at T1 in a min, then 125-130k dps is where it settles until you get your super back

not that bad of damage for 1 min, but what matters is the burst dps at the very start. Her start is MASSIVE compared to everyone else in the game

10 seconds after is 1.2mil more dmg

not bad with just using a pulse rifle

[peak egret]

I wonder how much of a dmg increase t1 is giving

I will run more detailed analysis tmr

What light lvl is your Estela, mine is only 60k so that might play into it too

[terse nymph]

t1 doesn't provide any dmg benefit, t2+ does

i said t1 cause that's what my talent level was

[ancient glade]

Btw I can hit with attal 7M dmg in 30 seconds

For some reason her mini missiles if you specifically use it to hit a pierce shinka they deal insane amount of dmg

[terse nymph]

yes, this is a bug that will be addressed in the next patch

[terse nymph]

over a dps period of 5 minutes estela ends up at the top, i had whales with t6 chars test out their best dps rotations over 5 mins and graphed everything

burst wise over the first 10 seconds of dps estela is also the top

[ancient glade]

Do you know why it works like that? Is there like a hidden multiplier where specific units deal more dmg to specific shinkas?

[cosmic frost]

Only if she already has 3 lvl 3 summons though no? Thats a big if.

[ancient glade]

Hmmm, I think I am doing smth wrong with T0 Estela. She does deal a lot of dmg, but I think the main issue is that her super is very needed

That's why bad juju is very good on her, it makes it possible to spam more her super

[terse nymph]

Not even a big if you can have tier 3 summons easily by dps

Even during dps you can get 3 stacks easily in a span of 6 seconds apart with just furies III alone

[cosmic frost]

That is a big precondition if you dont have her 3rd talent

[terse nymph]

You don’t need her third talent

[ancient glade]

I did test it and she is the one with the highest dps I have currently obviously, but at the same time Tan-2 is similar range and he doesn't depend too much on his super in a sense

[terse nymph]

Furies 3 crit bubble counts as 2 shots towards corruption

[ancient glade]

Probably makes sense since I have him T3/4 which is pretty good

[terse nymph]

Along with the enemy being affected by misfortune

You get the stacks extremely quickly

[ancient glade]

Ig

[terse nymph]

Not sure why you refuse to believe the literal video I posted above showing the charge rate of corruption just using furies iii alone

Not u luctor the other guy

[ancient glade]

Oh ok

[terse nymph]

Estela also doesn’t depend on her super, it’s just the kit play style with needing to rely on her summons more than gunplay

[ancient glade]

Is the difference between lvl 2 and lvl 3 that big?

[terse nymph]

Hence why people say her dps is horrible when they just have no clue how to use it correctly with utilizing furies iii

[terse nymph]

MAJOR, you can’t risk using t2 summons during dps

[ancient glade]

Ic

[terse nymph]

Mate left the thread after being fact checked smh

[ancient glade]

🤣

[ancient glade]

But I think that she is capable to out dps the other dps units cause her super is pretty good

Still, I really want to see how fast she can charges her super with bad juju cause if I can really use a setup to spam her super, I would love it

[terse nymph]

The super is mainly for that first burst of dps. Over a 5 min period total damage ends up higher using Estela than anyone else due to summon management vs ability uptime & ammo economy for other units

[ancient glade]

I mean... 5 minutes is a big time period, that's why I check 30 seconds, max 1 minute

[terse nymph]

Dps wise Gwynn has the highest consistent dps in the game, Estela highest overall damage in the game, and attal highest total dmg in a one min period

That’s why I did one min, 3 min, and 5 min tests

I graphed out all of their damage over a period of time and consistency

[ancient glade]

Where is the graph?

[terse nymph]

Without doing that you wouldn’t get to know how well each character fairs, specially in the contest raid later this month

We have no clue just how much of a bullet sponge things will be and how tight dps will be either with issakis

So total dmg and dps or burst dps matters

And ammo economy

[terse nymph]

Will be posted on Monday after I finish getting information for every other character in the game like Ikora Kabr wolf etc

[ancient glade]

Tbh, I tend to skip contest mode cause most of the time enemies are too much of a bullet sponge and basically the final boss tend to be possible to beat only if you manage to do everything perfectly without mistakes and with the best dps available

Like in D2 last contest mode had the final boss basically a bullet sponge and that's it, not a difficult raid

[cosmic frost]

I had to get on my PC to test myself...

Don't know what's so funny Luctor, but in that video you posted above Tan you were in the Super state so you had 80% more corruption gain. Which is a fair assumption to make given its a DPS phase like in Issakis. The thing I'm worried about is in situations where you don't have easy access to enemies and thus can only get a single guaranteed lvl 3 summon initially, you will lose a lot of DPS ramping up to that point of 3 lvl 3 summons.

[ancient glade]

I didn't post any video tho?

[cosmic frost]

I didnt say you did

"but in that video you posted above Tan"

[ancient glade]

"Don't know what's so funny Luctor, but in that video YOU POSTED"

[cosmic frost]

why leave out the part where I said Tan right after that*

[ancient glade]

Because you said YOU POSTED after saying my name

[cosmic frost]

And then followed up with the person in question....

[ancient glade]

But I didn't post any video

[cosmic frost]

I know

[ancient glade]

You simply confused me with someone else and you can't take it back lmao

[cosmic frost]

I didnt I specifically said Tans name because he was the person who posted it but also wanted to address you due to the hostility you've showed

[ancient glade]

Hostility? For the laugh emoji?

You are weird man, you take things the wrong way by a lot

[cosmic frost]

I mean do explain whats been so funny in this convo? Is the implication not of you mocking me several times now?

[boreal olive]

Make it two seperate message then, it ain't difficult

[ancient glade]

I simply laughed at the fact that he assumed you left when you were just going to turn on the pc to test it lol

[cosmic frost]

Sure, point taken and its irrelevant to what I was saying anyway so Ill just ignore Luctor from no on.

[ancient glade]

This guy is so weird lmao. He got angry for a laugh emoji

[cosmic frost]

Anyway my point was that it seems Gwynn and other characters will have less pre conditioins than Gwynn which is something relevant to take into consideration for boss phases

So saying that she has the highest initial burst is only true if you already have max summons on her

[ancient glade]

Estela and gwynn works similarly tho

[boreal olive]

So were assuming you just go into damage phase with nothing built up on anyone then?

[ancient glade]

Both of them requires hits to get something for more dmg

[ancient glade]

Imagine someone with like 65k+ power and he has no ammos

[cosmic frost]

No but considering they only last 25 seconds you will run into situations where you might only get one or two level 3 summons out and lose some potential DPS WHILE* you get more.

[boreal olive]

And will likely also have some amount of corruption built already, thus leading to a sooner 2nd or 3rd summon leading to more damage

[ancient glade]

Bro really blocked me while I didn't do anything, that's crazy

[cosmic frost]

Agreed, but you lose some potential DPS as you do that is all I was trying to say. And that possibility is not relevant right now, but could be later on.

[boreal olive]

So I ask again... we just assuming that the one character has less while everyone else gets their optimal?

[cosmic frost]

I mean yes because that's how her kit works? In situations where Estella doesn't have access to enemies right before the damage phase like in the case of having to do mechanics or the summons falling off as the transition to damage phase begins. She will have to waste time ramping up her summons in those situations. This doesn't show on DPS in practice range because its 100% optimal conditions, but in actual fights that will almost never be the case.

Other Characters don't have similar preconditions as Estela or if they do its bypassed by them meeting them as the DPS phase begins and then being able to sustain them more easily than her.

[boreal olive]

If you're comparing suboptimal to optimal it's an entirely flawed comparison and holds zero grounds for discussion IMO as there's always the general caveat that you won't always reach optimal output, but if you do this is what to expect

[ancient glade]

I still don't get the point to get so much into comparing dps this early in the game. They are more of a playstyle choice than meta relevance

[cosmic frost]

I think saying it holds zero grounds for discussion is a bit far fetched. General caveat that's to be expected sure I can agree with, however in the case of Estela optimal vs suboptimal is more relevant due to the nature of her kit and how at-least so far she requires the most setup as little as that may be.

[boreal olive]

If one character isn't allowed setup then none are to have an accurate comparison

[cosmic frost]

That's definitely one way to test things, and something I've done in the past for other games.

[boreal olive]

Like, applying what-ifs to X character but then having none for Y character just creates a biased comparison against X

[cosmic frost]

Its not biased if said character needs more things to get going. Im not advocating for testing her at 0 corruption and 0 summons, Im just saying not to test her with 3 level 3 summons out. Like its most probable that on average you will go into a boss fight with 1 or 2 out and then get the 2nd or 3rd during the DPS phase especially if you don't have her 3rd or 6th talent.

[boreal olive]

But you kinda are, your entire argument has basically been "Well yeah but Estella might not have what she needs" and never once have you applied that same conditional to others

[ancient glade]

Tbh this whole convo is a waste of time

[hybrid flax]

She doesnt even need that much setup lol and its not hard to save a t3 summon for boss dps phase and even if worst case scenario you had to use it you'd quickly get it back during dps anyways whilst still dealing great dps with the misfortune/super + furies III etc 🤔

[terse nymph]

Why the heck are people arguing in here lmfao

[terse nymph]

Correct

[ancient glade]

I still feel like her summons dmg is bland lol. I guess I am just used to burst type of damage

[sharp pulsar]

Are you guys running the battle pass pulse, heir apparent, or gallows on her? Which is best for her dps?

[boreal olive]

Lotta people running either Furies or Gallows

[cosmic frost]

And I explained that others dont have that same conditional is why I didnt apply that to others.

[cosmic frost]

Big difference between having a single level 3 summon and having 3 of them which is what I was arguing against

You have to build up to having 3 of them in a DPS phase, which takes time and lowers her potential DPS which is a caveat that other characters dont really have.

[boreal olive]

You won't always need to though

[ancient glade]

@terse nymph yeah I think with T0 it is better to use the summoning heal artifact instead of abudance/conversion

It is kinda weird to see myself dying in a normal strike with 61k estela

[terse nymph]

? How are you dying? Her summons heal you no matter the talent level whenever they deal damage. The heal is small but abundance scales it higher and conversion gives you an Overshield whenever you get overhealed by them, which also scales higher by abundance. Tier 3 summons scale higher with it too.

You can use the summoning heal artifact if you need extra base healing, but know it doesn't contribute towards conversion sadly, which I think is a bug

[ancient glade]

Usually do you spam at the start of a mission level 1 summons?

[terse nymph]

I tested it and since it didn't abundance was BIS. If it 100% is a bug then yes, the summoning one will be BIS for Estela

[terse nymph]

I go to T2 first then summon so I can start my healing, then go to T3 afterwards

[ancient glade]

Okay okay

[terse nymph]

I only summon T3 for majors and bosses

T2 for lesser enemies

[ancient glade]

I guess I was too greedy by trying to summon only T3 at the start

I thought that since it was a major difference between T2 and T3 summons, I thought that maybe it was the same for healing

[terse nymph]

Yeah, at the very start its a bit too greedy, specially if it's challenge mode

[sharp pulsar]

normal enemies dont need t3s i feel, i usually will put out 1 t1 when i get it, then save for t2s. T3s i save for bosses

[ancient glade]

Welp, I am too used to Tan-2 and wolf and attal

She feels squishy compared to them spamming heals and overshield with skills ahah

[sharp pulsar]

i agree, coming in from maining tan-2 not having a pocket heal whenever i want was an adjustment

[boreal olive]

Kinda same myself since I mostly played Jolder before

More comfortable on her now though so feels much less squishy

[ancient glade]

Is Gwynn also kinda tanky in a sense?

Cause it's only with Estela that I feel like I don't heal mid combat

[boreal olive]

I believe so? Don't know her kit off the top of my head, but should at least have a heal and conversion like effect on one skill

[ancient glade]

I feel like she gets high overshields with her orbs

[terse nymph]

Estela is definitely a unit where you want to learn her kit and play style, yes her not having a heal ability is a struggle. But once you learn how to utilize everything well, you'll get the hang of her

[boreal olive]

Hopefully can improve my Expanse time today, no deaths could give me a sub-11 I think

[ancient glade]

I mean, I did read her kit and all, I think the main issue with her at T0 is the fact that summons can't attack faster than 1 per sec

Well, I will try it out later on. Btw anybody playing rn and want to do few strikes together to pass time? If not I ll just go with chaos singularity

[boreal olive]

If I weren't at work I'd have loved to... need to run some strikes to farm some mythic weapon mats out

[ancient glade]

Yep, me too

[boreal olive]

Ya know... totally forgot estella has the whole "stand still do more damage" passive as her light link effect

[boreal olive]

Sub-11 in sight... just need to not run face first into a pack of 4 thralls in stage 30

[wooden elk]

what power are you doing this at?

[boreal olive]

Today's attempt was 64.2k with 11:40 and a death on stage 30

[wooden elk]

ah nice, the 64k helps a good bit compared to me being 61k right?

[boreal olive]

Definitely, first clear of it I was at 61.9k and ended at 14:56

[wooden elk]

yah I gave up when i started reaching over 30 mins 😔

what weapons do you use?

[boreal olive]

Been using Furies and Scorched Earth, really like the Solar heavy to help on shields more since under power

[wooden elk]

nice yah im trying to get scorched earth

[peak egret]

do you have t6 estela

im trying at 62k and just get consistently 1 shot on stage 29 right now

my estela is t0

[boreal olive]

I do, was pretty lucky on getting it

[narrow walrus]

Thoughts on Warding Pact over ring of abundance?

[zenith zodiac]

Hello since I wanna go for furies III not gallows, which mythic machinegun is better? bvd4 or scorched earth?

[wooden elk]

ring of abundance increases the healing from summons and therefore how much overshield

[peak egret]

bvd4 has better perk pool

[boreal olive]

yeah, BVD4 for general use, Scorching Earth for current Expanse

[zenith zodiac]

Gotcha, thank you!

[zenith zodiac]

Noted on that, will be farming some BVD4s now

[quasi maple]

what would be the best three attributes to run with mythic artifacts for healing and damage?

[boreal olive]

Personally I'd go

Healing, Overshield, Health on the defense ones

Ability, Signature, Solar on Offense ones

[lucid axle]

Not super?

[boreal olive]

Your signatures make up a larger portion of your overall damage so it makes more sense to focus on that than super when limited to 3 choices

[lucid axle]

Ah ok, I got sig, super, ability on 3rd and sig, super, ability and vulnerability on 4th slot

I do have a exotic on 3rd slot, but it got solar, signature, super and damage bonus boost.

[boreal olive]

Still even working on my artifacts... current ones are Solar/Super/Ability and one I got but need to refactor more still is Solar/Signature/Super

[surreal creek]

So I have a BVD4 with auto-loading and syncopation traits but I heard that her gun dmg is not that much... should I farm more to replace syncopation with misfortune's confetti to get faster curruption bar or her base curruption bar gain rate is good enough even without the misfortune trait? (Using furies III catalyst lev 1 btw)

[boreal olive]

I have an ALH Confetti roll myself but I currently run my very meh rolled Scorched Earth as I vastly prefer the solar damage on it for current endgame content

[dull mirage]

Do you not prioritize element resist , defense or range for these

I feel like damage reduction is really valuable instead of getting more heals since Damage reduction sources are limited

Signature Ability Solar and Super is fine if you care about boss rush like Issaki damage window. Ideally that’s your exotic god roll is Sig Super Ability Solar

If you run Mythics though I do recommend having 2 artifacts with Sig at bare minimum

And any combo of the others is fine

[boreal olive]

If you're not being just entirely one-shot then more defense isn't necessarily needed if you can heal up enough to at least match damage intake

[narrow walrus]

Man furies last copy is gonna cost 150k black market coins... That seems steep

[terse nymph]

this is real and true

[narrow walrus]

Think worth or all in on gallows?

[cosmic frost]

I wonder how high they will scale the power difference and thus damage from enemies. Like if the absolute hardest content will be 3k to 5k light above us always then more damage reduction will be necessary. But otherwise the sustain is so nice.

[ancient glade]

Tbh, it is the closest exotic we can get with full upgrade

[elder chasm]

100% worth considering all mythic pulse rifles are garbage.

[ancient glade]

True, while mg mythicals are pretty nice

[boreal olive]

Wow the boost to power people got today has been kinda insane... I've dropped from near top 10 on NA for Eternity expanse to below top 50

[ancient glade]

Ye

No more acclaim caps, people can max out exotic mods and artifacts

[cunning brook]

Is it worth getting the 3rd catalyst on furies 3? I have enough black market coins to do it. Or is it not such a big increase and better to hold them for what’s to come in the future?

[boreal olive]

I'd personally recommend it if you really enjoy playing Estella and want to push what kinda of stuff you can do right now

We do have Bad Juju coming at some point in the future though which is apparently much better than Furies for Estella

[cunning brook]

Thanks! Debating on what to do. Maybe I’ll hold off because the current content isn’t super interesting for me right now. Hopefully they’ll release more in the coming months

[wooden elk]

yah thats the only thing kinda holding me back from instant maxing gallows. the idea of bad juju coming out which will make me not really care for gallows anymore

though it will probably release far enough in the future i can have both upgraded

[boreal olive]

Yeah, it's why I'm only investing into Furies right now since I'm likely to just continue using an Exotic primary so may as well upgrade the one currently available

[wooden elk]

yah tho i guess i can justify upgrading gallows because it will be good if there are void shields. so that i can use estella in more content than just solar

[boreal olive]

Yeah, I actually did pick up two copies of Gallows from Onslaught this week so once I do invest into it I can grab Catalyst band 1

[wooden elk]

nice, i did one onslaught and didn't get it, hope i can from 2 more

else imma be waiting a week

[ancient glade]

@terse nymph luckily I got in few random single pulls a dupe of Estela and yeah, it's pretty insane how fast you can heal with T1

[ancient glade]

Tbf, Bad juju is more for a super oriented build, you might also want both maxed out for different playstyle

[peak egret]

how is gallows for dps?

i have one but nothing invested into it

[lucid axle]

I got every combination for Akutaak except auto-loading and confetti.. 😄

[ancient glade]

Lol, I got that one and vorpal+sincopation. Pretty good I would say

[lucid axle]

autoloading is such a QoL

[undone grotto]

Si polaris a Good investment for tan or better izanagi ?

[peak egret]

if you do the t2 furies then reloading isnt even needed

you can create the bubble and swap to lmg then it will reload lmg from reserves until bubble gone then you can rinse and repeat

[torpid tide]

@terse nymph Hello, really sorry for tagging, just a small question - why use BVD4 Akutaak? It has 417 rate of fire, Estela's kit needs a high RPM weapon to use, just to build up corruption. Isn't Scorched Earth better here? It has900 rate, so more then 2 times faster in corrupt generating

[torpid tide]

Saw some info that for c3+ tan lance starts to be underwhelming, because of VERY low RPM (150), it just builds Flare veeeery slowly. The Total Lockdown scout is ago-to here, with a trait firing 2 bullets at a time. So theoretically you have to build Flare almost 4x faster. Also, Idzanagi has to be a top-dps weapon (looking forward to get it for my c6 tan, but did not manage to get it yet)

[elder chasm]

Polaris Lance doesn’t take long to build flare, and while Total Lockdown can do it faster, the damage Polaris Lance does and how easy it is to maintain 100% uptime on phosphorus kind of makes the difference in time irrelevant to me.

Until you have Izzy, Polaris and 40k is the way IMHO

[peak egret]

ive gotten 3 izzy 🫣

[echo horizon]

Firstly, poor coverage on elements with scorched earth. Secondly with ricochet bullets on the BVD4 you build up corruption insanely fast

[terse nymph]

Correct, this is the exact reason why.

[torpid tide]

Oh, each ricochet counts separately? Then yep, seems nice

[unreal elk]

You still get more corruption with scorched earth than with BVD4 even with the ricochet

[boreal olive]

Kinda sorta but not really. Corruption is capped at 10 per second by shooting stuff, which BVD4 reaches with ricochets, having effective 12 bullets per second to SE's 15 per second

Once you factor in accidents does SE pull ahead since by the time BVD triggers one accident on 2 enemies, SE will have triggered 3 accidents on 1 enemy

[unreal elk]

Well maybe the ennemies in the firing range are too spread out but when I tested it the SE was way better

[echo horizon]

Also keep in mind. Element coverage

You ain’t trying to have fire fire fire.

[unreal elk]

Well, depends in current Expense fire fire fire is good but I get your point

[light patio]

Alright it's been a week the dust has settled, what's the stopping point for Estella's talents if you don't wanna whale to T6? Talent 1 seems like top priority for sure

[wooden elk]

talent 3 is huge for estella outside of boss dps phases, letting you more reliably get 3 tier 3 summons out. though it doesn't do much for boss dps (as even with the base duration of summons you can get all 3 tier 3 out during boss dps phases in seconds)

[nimble flower]

for those who have T6 Estela, is the extra corruption gain really significant?

[boreal olive]

It's worth ~20% more while shooting Misfortune'd enemies allowing for up to 12 corruption gain per second and makes your Accident triggers 3x as effective, boosting from just 5 per trigger to 15 per trigger

[lucid axle]

I pushed 5 servitors next to each other in a circle to see how much faster I got corruption with Confetti compared to one without

it didnt do anything, I received basically exact same, the only way I would receive more is if I would burst or single shot for the whole mag

[nimble flower]

Oh, ok. Thank you.

[boreal olive]

If anything having too many enemies could cause Corruption gain to be lower than expected because your ricochets could hit ones without Misfortune on them, Confetti will only hit 1 extra target, or two if you have an exotic mod boosting it. Also the slower RPM means you cause accidents to occur less frequently which doesn't help BVD in the corruption gain department

As soon as we have faster RPM arc gun BVD is going to the trash

[elder chasm]

I just got Estela on my first pull since she was released

[ancient glade]

Do you have both godrolls on both weapons?

[unreal elk]

Yeah, got confetti and lvl10 exotic rpm mod on the BVD4

[boreal olive]

How much RPM that give? 15% I assume?

[ancient glade]

Also auto holster?

Without auto holster it is kinda meaningless

[unreal elk]

18%

I haven't tested with auto holster

Feel free to test it

[ancient glade]

So yeah, you are still comparing a slow weapon without its auto reload feature

That's straight up wrong

[unreal elk]

Have you done the comparaison?

[ancient glade]

Did you?

[boreal olive]

So BVD with RoF mod comes out to just slightly more than 7 RPS per target, still maxing out the corruption gain per second if hitting 2+ targets with misfortune on them same as SE.

Looking at accident trigger rates it takes 38 bullets to get the trigger rate down the lowest of 7 bullets per trigger, it'll take BVD 5.42 seconds to reach that and will trigger once per misfortune'd enemy per second while SE will reach it in 2.53 and trigger it 2 and 1/7 times per second

[ancient glade]

Is the bullets amount different between pulse rifle and MG?

[pliant latch]

Some one have an exotic mod with auto or confetti perk ?

[boreal olive]

I don't know how the RoF scales with Furies unfortunately

[ancient glade]

I have one with both

[pliant latch]

Can you share a screen pls ?

[ancient glade]

Of what?

[pliant latch]

Of your mods

[boreal olive]

Oh wait the bullet amount per accident trigger, no that doesn't change between weapon type

[ancient glade]

No no, I meant to fully charge the summon

Accidents I don't even know how good it is

Since it felt like it was something that was more for those with higher TT

[boreal olive]

Oh that, you're capped at 10 corruption per second for shots on misfortune'd enemies, haven't really done math for pulses yet, mostly just focusing on the LMGs

[pliant latch]

I dm u

[ancient glade]

Yeah, my point was that I was considering mgs mostly for corruption. SE is not that much faster than BVD for that.
Accidents is a whole different thing that I don't even know if it is worth it before maxing out mastery skill

[unreal elk]

How long does it takes to fully charge a summon lvl3 in the firing range with auto and confeti?

[ancient glade]

Idk, didn't count. I just know that I don't use neither SE or BVD for that, I use the pulse rifle cause it is much more precise. MG is more for shinkas and it helps charging corruption while doing shinkas shields with confetti, so I prefer BVD

Also auto reload perk is straight up an insane QoL to have.

Wasting time reloading both weapons won't help with that

For accidents it is a different thing

[unreal elk]

You can know easily by going in the firing range and shoting the dummies, since it records as soon as you damage the dummie

[ancient glade]

Cause if I am not wrong that one decreases the ammo requirements depending on how often you trigger it

[ancient glade]

I am not in the game, that's my point.

[boreal olive]

Each trigger for accidents make the next trigger 1 less bullet, starting at 11 and going down to 7 at the minimum

[ancient glade]

And I don't really care, you can't say that something is better than other one if you don't properly test with both weapons with their suggested perks

Like those people who say that Gwynn is better than estela for boss dmg when they have only Gwynn or compare Gwynn T6 to Estela low TT

[ancient glade]

Is the dmg actually good for those tho? Cause I don't even remember seeing that much difference with the dps

[ancient glade]

If arc gun with faster RPM and with auto reload perk, then surely both weapons are going to the trash

[boreal olive]

Less for their damage and more for the corruption gain as each accident gives, at least until t6, 5 extra corruption

[ancient glade]

Hmmm, what's the RPM of SE?

Cause if I am not wrong Furies III gets up to 540, right?

[boreal olive]

SE is 900 base or 15 rounds per second

[ancient glade]

Ammo mag size?

Like how fast it would empty it

[boreal olive]

I believe like 84 or something?

[ancient glade]

And how fast is the reload time

[ancient glade]

So with full ammo mag how many accidents is supposed to trigger?

11+10+9+8+7 is 45

7*5+45=80

So it is 10 accidents in one mag

Correct?

[boreal olive]

Yeah that sounds right

[ancient glade]

BVD has 43 if I am not wrong

[boreal olive]

If my math is right looks like you can gain 100 corruption per mag of SE at anything under t6

[ancient glade]

It triggers the first 5, but you can simply swap to furies III and wait 2.5 seconds to shoot with a full mag

Also the ammo reserves, how many are for SE and how many for BVD

If you basically need time to reload for SE, you are still wasting time for more dmg from MG.
The whole point of BVD is making it easier to rotate with furies III cause you could still simply shoot enough times to trigger the bubble of criticality and auto reload will make it possible to shoot a lot with the mg.
But still

I don't use mg for dmg anyway, for me it is straight up easier to do it with furies III.
Then if furies III is out of ammo I swap to mg and if I go out of ammo for that one too, with BVD I can at least reload only furies III and basically reload both of them at the same time

If accidents with maxed out mastery skill it gets a good chunk of dmg, then I would understand to test around with SE for a better dmg rotation. Currently for maxed dmg I mostly use furies III

[unreal elk]

I don't really need to since SE can make a lvl3 summon with 1 mag with accidents so ALH isn't taken into consideration only for the fast lvl3 summon generation

[boreal olive]

Another factor of corruption gain is when a misfortune'd enemy dies you get 7 x # of accident triggers as corruption

If we ever get like triple tap or 4th times the charm on a MG that'll be huge for longevity

[ancient glade]

For dps rotation you should test it, no point to experiment how fast a singular lv3 summon can be charged up, cause you might simply build up enough before boss dps phase 2 lv3 and you basically made your SE useless since it was only for that charging up

Another thing is if Accidents can deal lots of dmg if triggered a lot, in that case there is a whole different matter

[ancient glade]

I mean, Furies III bubble provide that

Furies III bubble of criticality works on every weapon, seems intended

That's why I said to start with Furies III, cause triggering the bubble lets you refill ammos with mg too

[boreal olive]

Accidents start at 880 solar damage and gain up to 100% bonus from weapon mastery so eventually a base of 1760 damage that'll be boosted by vulns on enemies or solar boost from artifacts

[unreal elk]

What does BVD provide more than SE if you already have summons up? Except for the no reload time with ALH

[ancient glade]

Oh yeah, I am trying to understand that vulnerability thing. I thought it was mostly for when enemy is debuffed?

[ancient glade]

You basically are removing the core perk lmao

[boreal olive]

Yeah that should be strictly for someone that applies a vuln debuff ( we can eventually with the seasonal buffs)

[ancient glade]

It's like telling me "what does SE provide if it had lower RPM?"

[ancient glade]

Only those 2 or also ability?

[boreal olive]

That I'm not sure on but I could theoretically test it once I grab a couple artifacts without any known beneficial buffs on them

[ancient glade]

Hmmm okay. For now I will avoid testing on that until I get mastery skill maxed on her. The 8 thingies will be used first on Tan-2 cause the last level on mastery skill for him is straight up insane since it buffs 50% of dmg boost from phosphorus

[boreal olive]

Okay looking at my current setup and everything against a servitor in the practice range my accidents appear to be dealing 34578 damage

[ancient glade]

So with maxed mastery skill it should do double of that?

[boreal olive]

I'm at mastery 4 currently, so only 40% buff from where I'm at

[ancient glade]

That's pretty insane lol. If I am not wrong my octant riot can hit 180k with the burst mode, so if it is so easy to deal that much with accidents

[boreal olive]

I took off an artifact with ability strength and signature and it dropped the damage to ~24.5k

[ancient glade]

I mean...

The actual dmg with a decent setup you got was 34k

Btw visually how do you know that you triggered an accident? Cause if it is like The Old Prefect ignition, it is straight up only from the numbers and no visual clarity

[boreal olive]

Hard to say for sure as I was testing on mobile on really bad graphics but appeared to be just the damage number

[ancient glade]

Welp

[unreal elk]

You get a spark

[ancient glade]

But how big? And how evident is visually?

[unreal elk]

I'll try to get a screen

[ancient glade]

Okay thank you

@unreal elk also if you can, can you test what's the number it appears when you shoot on a rapid fire shinka with SE?

[boreal olive]

I hadn't tested on a shinka myself

[unreal elk]

I can't share a picture in the chat but it's pretty obvious

Like a big vertical spark

[boreal olive]

301811 was the accident number while it was stunned

[ancient glade]

You can send me in DM

[ancient glade]

It doesn't matter for that one, there is a recurring bug after stunnin enemies. For example I was able to achieve 700k dps on attal against piercing shinka

I meant the single digit dmg you deal on the shield of the shinka

[boreal olive]

Oh that, is 2 with SE

[unreal elk]

Yeah it's 2 with SE

[ancient glade]

Okay, it is 4 for BVD

So it does properly scale depending on the RPM

[boreal olive]

I should probably try to get my calamity rank up to snag more clusters to get that rank 5 on weapon mastery for Estella

[ancient glade]

Are you spe II?

[boreal olive]

Nah, still just shy of it currently

[ancient glade]

Lol

Spe III feels impossible currently

[boreal olive]

Best run was 362k and haven't matched it since

[ancient glade]

I think I was able to promote and reach spe II with 2 T6 gwynns

And since I had my bvd with auto reload, I didn't have a hard time to destroy both shinkas shields in one go

[peak egret]

mine was 379.89k not getting the last 100 points was beyond brutal

[peak egret]

finally got t3 estela though

[narrow walrus]

A lot to read through... Is it worth using gallows over furies?

Assuming similar catalyst levels

[boreal olive]

I am unsure how the whole void grenade thing works in terms of how frequent they are or how powerful... gimme a second to check

Judging by just strictly numbers, once you have the RoF buff on Band 1 it'll have 540 RoF as well as some amount faster void grenades, so should be about similar to Furies in corruption generation but does run into issues of needing to reload more often than it

[cosmic frost]

I had a run earlier where we carried a 55k light guy to 397k points dude did 3% damage on estella and promoted to expert 1 lmao

[lucid axle]

Resonating Pact or Responsive Pact? What do most prefer?

[ancient glade]

Mine was 387k

[crystal steppe]

Sad

[boreal olive]

Responsive, your summons deal the bulk of your damage so thus should be what you look to increase further

[lucid axle]

Resonating is 47% increase while Responsive is 40%. Only drawback is I need to attack same target as my summons don't care who I am shooting if I don't throw a misfortune at it

Only I have seen a lot of players at leaderboards with resonating, so I started question my choice with responsive 😄

[boreal olive]

Dunno why I thought of a different artifact, but yeah, either or I guess can work. Probably just dependant on what has the better overall rolls for you

[sharp yoke]

I have been trying to test out the difference between scorch and BVD. I could see the artifacts having synergy each with the different Machine Gun. BVD with auto load could work well with resonating, specially with the ricochet counting as attacking the enemy if your summon happens to be attacking the one behind your target. While Scorch could synergize well with Responsive as it builds up the corruption bar faster due to triggering accidents more.

[sharp pulsar]

is t3 arguably the best stopping place for bang for your buck for estela?

[elder chasm]

So confetti or sync?

[opaque cipher]

Bang for buck yes but if you want to go a step further t4. I personally stopped at t3 and will save for the next character

[sharp pulsar]

Yeah I'm thinking t3 is where I'm going to stop

Next up I'm saving for whatever 5 star Hunter comes out

[ancient glade]

T3 is straight up best long term, going up further is only up to you, but it's not that necessary

Tbh I am at T1 and I feel like that basically that one is the only one you really need long term. T3 is best overall, but T1 is kinda must have

Cause without it you will struggle to survive

[ancient glade]

I think overall both of them charges kinda similarly, SE being faster, but against shinkas you might prefer the BVD for easier time to pop their bubbles consistently.
Tbh you could use both depending on the shields in the mission.
I think as soon as bad juju comes, I would guess that SE will be easier to synergize with it, cause you can't build up corruption with furies III anymore

[sharp pulsar]

Yeah I got really lucky and got t1 at 40 summons left, then immediately got t2 at the full 60 summons left till pity. Got t3 last night at 20 summons left till pity

So my only hard pity pull was estela herself lol

[ancient glade]

Kinda similar situation, almost pitied estela T0 then got her T1 after 20 pulls

[sharp yoke]

I think the shields is the most important aspect between utilizing them.

I was just noting that the different guns seem to synergize with the artifacts differently. BVD rate of fire is just a little to slow to get a T3 summon off every 6 seconds , seems closer to 8 seconds, at least till you start getting the refunded amount. SE is about 6 seconds prior to refunding, at least till reloading happens. Resonating only lasting 3 seconds from my tests does mean that without reload reduction mod on Scorch that some of your summons won’t get it on their last attack while reloading. While BVD auto load basically removes that issue, and ricochet bullets count as attacking that mob for Resonating.

I am way too far removed from when I first played destiny to remember what Bad juju is known for XD. I will need to look it up

[boreal olive]

Gives good super regen

[sharp pulsar]

Super Regen from what I remember, been a while for me as well lol

What perks are you guys aiming for on scorched earth for estela?

[pliant latch]

There is no exotic perk upgrade for clepsydra avalaible yet ?

[torpid tide]

What are the best perks for SE? Fraternity and Clepsydra?

[ancient glade]

I mean, I am using whatever perk. Just using her on estela for the corruption

While BVD if I need more precision to destroy shinkas shield with lower ammos

[royal iris]

Should i try to get multiple copies of Estela? I only got 1 dupe by far

[ancient glade]

T3 is the best you can aim for

T1 is kinda must have for survivability

[sharp pulsar]

t1, while not necessary, makes estela way more survivable. t3 (which is what i have) lets your summons blow up when their timer is out (at t2) and at t3, makes them last for 42 seconds, which is a huge time upgrade

Enough to let you get 2 level 3s and a level 2 out on the field for an extended amount of time

[worthy escarp]

What are her current best artifacts?

[ancient glade]

I think whatever boosts your summon dmg and helps you surviving

The one that heals you if you summon is not that good imo

[opaque cipher]

Will not c3-ing my furies brick my estella along the way? Or should I just focus building towards an exotic secondary while leaving furies at c2?

Thinking if I should buy another 50k tokens. I wasted my tokens earlier buying photons...

[boreal olive]

If you cannot guarantee the final copy in 2 more black market resets, then I'd start ignoring Furies and begin working on either Heir Apparent or Gallows

[ancient glade]

Imo, furies III maxed is a thing I will do much later on

Especially after seeing how much Better bad juju might be compared to furies III

[opaque cipher]

Thank you so much Zen! I might just do this after I get my last copy of Exotic cross bow. Just need 1 more to reach C3 for my Ning.

Seems Gallows is a general use for all Shinkas so I'll go with this instead for easy legendary runs. However my heart is with heir haha.

Thank you as well @ancient glade.

Exactly juju.. i don't know anymore.. hopefully it comes next year so I have time to prepare my other characters 🤣

[worthy escarp]

Just got gallows. Should I replace my fury with a differnt rifle? If so, which?

[elder chasm]

Ultimatum

With fraternity/annihilation and clepsydra

Fraternity and Clepsydra is the god roll

[stoic dove]

got Anni Clep, but Frat definitely sounds better, idk if I should spend more engrams on hunting for it, or hit a spin for a different gun

[worthy escarp]

What mods to use on scorching?

[ancient glade]

Why not? It's not like you will never get engrams later on. Just use how many engrams needed to get the roll you want

For example I am not even saving them up and straight up rolling for double mythics and different double mythic combos on random weapons

[lucid axle]

Why would you not chose the Arc one? Then you can cover all elements

[elder chasm]

Because ultimatum is better

And the blast damage from gallows takes out shields

[stoic dove]

pretty sure Solar Damage traits on Artifacts is a factor I've seen someone state

[lucid axle]

Yeah solar does help with that, I am starting to build my gallows now, so I myself need to chose my primary with care 😄

I was just thinking using the arc one so I can cover all situations, my artifacts are ability, sig, super, weapon on slot 3,4 so I dont need worry about any solar

[stoic dove]

also, pretty sure the Arc one does build energy faster because of RPM, but idk

I forget what her energy is called

Coruption, that's it

[vague latch]

How do you get auto reload on bvd? I haven’t passed 7-3 yet

I’m trying to learn all the basics then enter

[sharp yoke]

Keep getting new bvds. Each one has a chance of rolling it on the first random slot

[vague latch]

Oh, i thought it was a modification

[vague latch]

Welp i got 13 new ones (20 total) and i didn’t get the reload. I got this though

Or would this with ricochet be better

Nvm i got two more, a 3 legendary with ricochet and 2 legendary with fast reload

[stoic dove]

Ring Of Conversion or Binging Planetesimal?

[terse nymph]

Updated the weapon priority list.

[stoic dove]

got a dupe of Gallows, might put resources into it. Furies seems amazing, but idk where dupes of it will be available when season is over. Only got the initial Catalyst for it from free battle pass

[boreal olive]

Yeah, my recommendation for those who can't get furies copies since we don't know what they gonna do after this season is done is to just focus on Gallows and Heir Apparent, but to also be prepared for Juju whenever it comes out

[narrow walrus]

Fraternity vs annihilation on scorched? Does fraternity make a big difference? Been rolling and got a annihilation/cleps

[boreal olive]

I haven't gotten an Annihilation exotic mod yet, but I believe it'll end up pretty close overall, with Higher investment Estella (more dupes) preferring Fraternity for the extra Reload speed it can give to allow for more uptime on shooting

[stoic dove]

hopefully Bad Juju doesn’t require final blows as much as its Destiny counterpart. Might be annoying on Estela due to the summons and Accidents, then double annoying in team activities

[boreal olive]

If they put the one change they did the other week for weapon buffs that needed kills only need 30% participation to trigger it shouldn't be too bad overall

[stoic dove]

hopefully 🤞

[analog parcel]

furies still useable if i have its cat band 1, only have 1 gallows atm

[ancient glade]

I am tempted to use my pity to get her to T2, but it feels like a waste imo

[opaque cipher]

Hello everyone! Just got Estela to T6.. I see people saying Gallows won't take advantage much of her being T6. Does it really make a big difference? I won't be getting Furies to C3 anymore

But I'll still be building Gallows for Shinka purposes. The next big weapon would be Juju right? For who knows when it will release

[boreal olive]

If you're not getting Furies 3, my personal Recommendation is Heir Apparent for when you want Max DPS, Gallows for dealing with non-rapid Shinka

[opaque cipher]

Thanks @boreal olive! Does that mean I should target arti stats with increasing weapon dmg or just retain with the usual?

[boreal olive]

I'd only go for Weapon Enhancements on Artifacts for specifically Expanse or speed running Issakis, everything else is the standard Sig/Ability/Solar/Super

[opaque cipher]

Gotcha thank you!

[drowsy urchin]

I need to search solar for each 3 and 4 artifact?

[boreal olive]

For exotic ones? yes you need to do the solar one to make sure you get them as actually usable for Estella, and at least personally value it as a stat on Artifacts more than Super Boost since it boosts your regular summons and Misfortune as well as likely at least one of your weapons

[drowsy urchin]

Yea i mean as a sub

Like i’ve got the 4 slot with solar boost, ability, signature and weapon enchantments, do i need to have the solar boost aswell in the 3 slot artifact?

[boreal olive]

Yes, ideally you have both artifacts with identical stats on the two for best effects

[elder chasm]

Got the god rolled scorched

I’ll bank that until I can guarantee furies c3

[elder chasm]

What a day

God rolled a BVD4 as well

And I wasn’t even trying to, it was one of those limited engrams

[opaque cipher]

Me too! My last 20 pinnacle got me my first gallows 🙂

Luckily I can synthesize 2 gallows. I just need 1 more from raid to c3 it so I can comfortably do void expanse. 😂

But I'll wait for next update to see whether I need my 2 exo engrams to max mahayamuri instead.

[opaque cipher]

Would anyone know what Catalyst is it good to stop with Gallows? I just need a decent weapon for Shinkas/general gameplay. And if I should get any catalyst boost?

[boreal olive]

I'd say band 1 (2 total copies needed, base gun and one fodder one) is fine enough for it to perform well but not full sending investment into it.

Ups your RPM to 540 and makes the grenades fire every 6 bullets, thus allowing you to cap out your 10 per second corruption generation on hitting enemies with shots

[opaque cipher]

Thank you so much Zen for helping always!

Band 1 and I shouldn't get any boost?

[boreal olive]

For boosts I'd go no further than the first one that costs a photon to activate

[opaque cipher]

Awesome! Now I can C3 my mahamayuri and have a C1 Gallows ready for any content 🙂

Thank you so much!

Now to scour this thread and look for what is the best mythic primary 🙂

gotta check if exotic mods with upgrade perks are available as well

Just checked my inventory, I have an Ultimatum with Conju+Clep is that good?

[boreal olive]

That unfortunately is something I don't have much knowledge on atm as I have yet to work on my Mythic Pulses

[opaque cipher]

No worries! 🙂

[wanton marsh]

Any Estela's here capable of beating 7 mins on void expanse?

[boreal olive]

I'd say probably, but already locked to Solar side so can't give a definitive answer

[wanton marsh]

True, I actually forgot about the locking.

[sharp yoke]

While possible, it will probably take a high ranked one. Impact shields take a little bit to break.

[boreal olive]

Yeah, Would need to be running Gallows for it to be viable at all

[wanton marsh]

I'm getting shafted on exotic artifact perks. Is it worth running the meta artifacts if they don't have 3/4 (super, ability, signature, solar), just for the artifact ability alone?

[boreal olive]

Id just run a 3/3 Mythic if you can't get at least a 3/4 exotic

[vague latch]

Takes 3 black market purchases to c3 furies?

I’m so close

[warm lintel]

Is there a difference in building estella on t6?

[opaque cipher]

Anyone knows if it's worth to get the rate of fire exotic mod (magazine) for ultimatum? I currently have magazine cap. What does magazine cap even do? And how much of an increase at 30%? This is for estela for bis ultimatum fraternity + clep

[obsidian pawn]

should i be maining the Furies 3 for estela? i feel like its fine cause i dont have any exotic lmgs yet

also what are her best artifacts for PvE

[ancient glade]

Imo you should go for now double mythical or use furies III as a placeholder for when bad juju comes

[obsidian pawn]

ooooo

i like bad juju

[dull mirage]

Are you guys doing any DPS test to check? How high are you guys hitting in a 20 second damage window vs serv

[acoustic badger]

suggesting double mythic is terrible advice when there's no indication of when juju is coming lol

[acoustic badger]

artifact-wise no, but a lot of people like to use the solar LMG to help build corruption. t6 + furies will cap your generation while refunding itself ammo (with cat 01 band) and not depend on heavy ammo. you can still use the solar LMG to pop shinkas faster but the arc one has much better perks.

[warm lintel]

Alright, good to know. Went full in with the rest of my resources on estella, was not impressed by the new char and i enjoyed playing estella on t0 but t6 makes such a huge qol difference

[acoustic badger]

t6 is like her best upgrade

[analog parcel]

i love her solar lmg for corruption gains

[acoustic badger]

makes a lot of sense if you dont have t6 or dont want to invest in furies. just a shame its perks are meh in comparison imo

[drowsy urchin]

Scorched is better than arc lmg for estela in every scenario except if u attacking an enemy with other enemies around and you havent applied estela debuff, will build up stacks twice as fast and more stacks with misfortune, 9 times out of 10 be the better myth option for estela

[acoustic badger]

there is a corruption generation cap you know, unless you mean proc'ing accidents

[drowsy urchin]

-Summons come slower
-You cant benefit from solar boost from your artifacts
-cant benefit from her 12% light linked passive
-cant benefit also from wolf light linked passive

If u want me to continue i can lol

In most of the scenarios scorched is always the best option

[acoustic badger]

i mean if you are using furies you just camp it, you can use the arc LMG to deal with adds you cant ramp furies on or deal with mechs or shinkas and then let it auto reload

would be curious to test how a couple clips of scorched earth compares to a fully invested furies dps wise

[drowsy urchin]

Yea as i said, its just if u attacking an enemy with ads around but no reason to prefer arc lmg over scorched just for that

Also we are in solar meta actually

We’ll se with arc meta around the corner so you can swap weapon to make estela more flexible

And most important when juju comes out

[acoustic badger]

whenever that is tho and how her summons interact with it needing kills

cause estela isnt great at securing weapon final blows lol, but if it procs on assists then I can see it

but furies is hella comfy to use

[elder chasm]

Bring on Bad Juju

Then we can put away these trash burst pulse rifles

I’ve banked my gallows and brought the SE back out hoping it comes soon.

[vague latch]

I got c3 furies

Am i cool now 🫣

Ok i lied i don’t have c3

I need to be acclaim 20 😔

[clear patrol]

what are the good rolls for her primary weapon? i’m not using furies III as primary

i’ll get c3 gallows soon

[little imp]

frat + clep

[cerulean canopy]

What should I use for t1 estella with gallow c2 and furies c1 ?

[ancient glade]

You should try on your own in practice range. Check if a SE makes more dmg than you do with gallows. You don't need to upgrade the SE, you only need it for the RPM to summon faster and to trigger more Accidents more frequently

If you can't surpass gallows additional dps despite being slower with accidents and summons, then you should go with gallows

[elder chasm]

I managed to get Estella to t4 today

[vague latch]

Yay, after like 50 rolls

I finally got the best roll

[vague latch]

Anyone know the sought after perks on scorched earth?

[boreal olive]

Annihilation/Fraternity + Glutton/Clepsydra some combination of those two ideally

[sharp pulsar]

bit of a necro post, but does anyone know if heir apparent is good on estella with the buffs now?

[boreal olive]

It was a touch stronger than SE previously but since you'd be giving up Furies to run it it wasn't quite as worth due to the weakness of the mythic Pulses.

I haven't had a chance to test it but tentative guess is best by a large margin and possibly worth to use even with how weak mythic pulses are

[elder chasm]

The rpm of the arc mythic pulse is good though

[ancient glade]

I do like the idea of using it, but considering that bad juju might come anytime soon, I would rather not invest too much on it

[sharp pulsar]

Yeah makes sense. I have furies but no catalyst, and afaik catalyst 2 is really what makes it good, so I was looking into the other 2 exotics for her

[elder chasm]

I think bad juju will end up being on the battle pass

[ancient glade]

It is unlikely since for what I know bad juju was part of an event

[elder chasm]

It’ll be interesting to see what they do to it

[severe falcon]

what th ebest exo atm on here ?N

[serene sundial]

T1+ this is the best artifacts for Estela and nothing will change my mind

[cosmic frost]

No warding pact?

[serene sundial]

What is this pact? The 1° nourishing is better in my opinion, with ring of conversion, is a perfect combo. At least if you have T1.

[stoic stump]

what abt t0

[serene sundial]

so inverted fury maybe or the planetesimal

[wanton marsh]

Any Estela mains with success in void 31-40?

[severe falcon]

yes ?

[wanton marsh]

Any tips for the stage 36 Shank shinka with 2 additional shanks?

[severe falcon]

I dont remember that stage , but all the shinka look skippable for me

[wanton marsh]

on void lol

[severe falcon]

Ohhhh you have ur gallows maxed ?

[wanton marsh]

Not quite, missing the last two nodes. I actually made it past 36 and am now stuck on 39. The triangle drop down map.

[wanton marsh]

Best Spread cards to use for an Estela 31-40 run?

[fickle dove]

what defensive artifact traits am I supposed to run?

i have tried a few different sets and cant find something I like