Best artifacts for Gwynn?

[cold pine]

hello! im currently using an artifacts set for more damage with the shotgun
but i cannot pass the expanse…

[wise vessel]

how many gwen dupes do have?

[cold pine]

none:(

just got her yesterday

[wise tide]

most players are using the planetesimal set for gwynn. But top players are making exceptions like for example fourth slot artifact could be rampaging planetesimal or valiant veil depending on content/playstye.

[noble cliff]

honestly feel like planetesimal is overrated, binging planetasimal doesn’t even heal for the intended amount right now,

gwynn is an overshield machine and most of the overshield artifacts actually give higher damage bonuses than planet artifs

especially if you are able to get t6 gwynn, constant spins just mean perma overshield

[wise tide]

yea, i’m working on getting ring of abundance and ring of conversion just to see if they are an improvement. But up until now planetesimal did get me to where i am no difficulty so it wouldn’t be a bad starting point for new gwynns.

[noble cliff]

fair enough, im rocking abundance and conversion right now, its pretty solid imo

[wise tide]

thats good to know! i appreciate your testing and i hope my god rolls come soon

[light garnet]

but if u dont have her at +6 what is the best ? overshield or planetisimal ?

and btw, i got the shotty exotic in the raid, is it better than Chaperone ? and should i use Concerto + mythic or mythic + shotty exotic ?

[noble cliff]

If you want an in depth answer, Concerto + Mythic will most likely be better, even with the Raid Shotgun upgraded to Tier 3 and being able to shoot twice. This is just from what I know now, could be changed later.

1. Mythic Shotgun (Eternal Retribution), with Line Formation + Exotic Mod (With 30% Extra Mag Size)

➥ Means the magazine size will be extended to 10, and with Line Formation’s exotic perk, every third shot will load a bullet into the magazine, making it have 13 shots in total before having to reload.

➥ Pair that with concerto reload, you will have 26 shots of shotgun without having to reload, which is INSANE dps stacking with Gwynn’s signature spin. That is in theory, 4-5 spins worth of resets.

——

2. The exotic shotgun is nice as you are able to dump two complete magazines quickly, and spin quickly but overall will do less dps overtime.

➥ This is probably going to be useful for speedrunning, or modes like Calamity ops, where you want to quickly kill Spread Shinkas etc, but probably won’t do as much DPS for a boss damage cycle etc.

[noble cliff]

both will work for her, but the healing from binging planet is kinda underwhelming, that's why i dont run it

honestly it doesn't really matter for gwynn, both planet and overshield works, she can proc both consistently, but the important thing is finding good artifact rolls on the ones you choose

I posted some good offensive attributes to look out for, and defensive as well

[light garnet]

What would be the 4th attributs for an exotic ?

[clear flax]

to add to this, i’ve really been liking valiant veil on her ^

but tbh when it comes picking artifacts, it’s best to try out the different combos to find one you like the best and fits your playstyle. that’s what makes builds unique and allows characters to be played to all of their strengths

[noble cliff]

yeah i currently have veil on my wishlist, i'll be switching to that if i get a perfect rolled exotic, see how it goes

[wise tide]

good 4th attribute would be weapon enhancement especially if you want to use her guns. I personally find her damage lacking sometimes until i got concerto but i still believe weapon enhancement or void boost would be good extra attribute if you really wanna grind that out

[noble cliff]

im thinking weapon attribute, but if youre going for ability damage probably void boost or damage bonus maybe

[wise tide]

yea if i remember correctly gwynns talents give more ability damage/utility so i feel the more copies of gwynn you got the more you build ability damage you should build and vice versa

[clear flax]

whats ur current build? in terms of artifacts

[wise tide]

they stated their first two slots are ring of abundance and conversion while farming for valiant veil for their 4th slot. If i had to guess their 3rd is rampaging planet

[noble cliff]

im running ring of courage, gives the same damage bonus but with 10% damage reduct

only recommend if you’re t6, for overshield build

[wise tide]

that’s funny because my friend is experimenting with gwynn and he’s swearing it’s the better option even with no dupes

which would make sense since the only benefits for dupes are 15% increase to healing and maybe a couple more void orbs so i’m curious how good with low to no dupes

[light garnet]

what would be the best second perk for the mythic shotgun ? i'm currently running Line formation + Wound counter, Karmic Reward would be better no ?

[noble cliff]

karmic reward is best but wound counter is a close second

[noble cliff]

i could see that for sure,

only reason i recommend it is because tier 6 gives you 3 orbs when u kill two or more enemies with abilities

if you spin with 5 orbs you get an instant reset, or even if you spin with 3 orbs your cooldown is almost recovered for spin

more spins = more overshield uptime, but if even lower trees you can have overshield constantly then its definitely still better

[light garnet]

So with all that, what would be the best set for Tier 0 ?

[wise tide]

yea especially since it buffs both ability and weapon damage and the free DR. Sounds kinda OP if it works on low talents. My friend claims you should have constant uptime but i’m unsure what content he is doing

[noble cliff]

first two artifacts are always for being tanky, so its always ring of abundance and ring of conversion

try playing with that:

1. if you feel like you always have overshield, run ring of courage and ring of reflection

2. If you feel like your overshield uptime is bad, then go courageous planet and valiant veil

[noble cliff]

if anyone tells you to run full planet dont listen, binging planet healing is really low and probably bugged at the moment

[wise tide]

confirmed bugged, healing is lower than the effect says

[light garnet]

In theory, would it be better if it was not bugged in your opinion ?

[noble cliff]

not really lol

[light garnet]

Okayyy

what would be the best stat for offensive and defensive aritfact ?

i got on an offensive one : void boost, super boost, weapon enhancement, signature boost

ability strengh would be better than void boost ?

[light garnet]

considering im using the Ring build

[noble cliff]

ability
signature
super
weapon enhance/void boost

[mellow sequoia]

Vulnerability is also pretty funny as a 4th stat for pure burst since it applies to the debuff from 1st talent

[unkempt hemlock]

hello everyone

can anyone help me to build wyrnn im a litllebit confused with her

[crystal zinc]

Not too shabby

[wise tide]

correct not a bad build but could have better relics

[crystal zinc]

I’m trying double conjunction and planet atm

[wise tide]

go veil 4th slot

[crystal zinc]

Valiant?

Yeah, I’m working on a mythic or exotic one as I only have epic atm

[wise tide]

yea, just give it a try, it’ll bump up her weapon damage which will make boss damage go up and if you don’t like the feel you can go back

niceee

[noble cliff]

godroll

id keep that and just upgrade it to max

rampage planstesimal is most likely going to be the best boss dps artifact

[crystal zinc]

I did that after I cleaned myself up when I saw it

🤣

[wise tide]

ring of convergence doesn’t work on gwynn</3

[noble cliff]

hmm, back to the drawing board now i guess

man, what a sad day

[pulsar agate]

Yep

All that material and especially anyone who refractored exotics got slammed

So what’s our next best..they didn’t fix binging planet because it still heals way less than what it should

[pulsar agate]

My exotic ring with good rolls dropped yesterday too so sad

[nova cave]

What is the third best then?

[noble cliff]

finally got a good one, took me 170 runs

[crystal zinc]

RNGesus said no to god roll

[wise tide]

rippp i still cant post pictures

but on a side note i’m at C1 gwynn and 31 pity in. Should i pull for C2 or for estela/umeko

[noble cliff]

that was so close holy

[crystal zinc]

Makes me sad

[noble cliff]

back to full power wooo

now need to farm exotics sigh

[wise tide]

whats the power and attribute score of one artifact looking like for you to get 17k off of mythics

[noble cliff]

essentially once i get a good exotic now im gonna refactor and switch

jusst havent had muich luck with rolls for exos

[wise tide]

that makes sense, i tried refactoring my mythics to that high but it kind of got expensive, but the stat line is so beautiful

[noble cliff]

fair enough, im mostly dismantling most mythic artifacts now just to prepare for exo farming

[wise tide]

that’s valid and i wish i went that route because refactoring exo’s is much more expensive

[noble cliff]

yeah its essentially pinnacle locked

its a long grind for sure

[noble cliff]

my glimmer always takes a hit for sure though hahaha

[wise tide]

ouch that has to be a pain

“imma upgrade my- nvm”

[noble cliff]

this is pain

[wise tide]

That is big pain

[noble cliff]

but im gonna level it anyway, since it has 3/4, then ill just transfer it later

[wise tide]

on the bright side if a solar shotgun with great perks ever gets released you could use it (cope)

[wise tide]

thank god for the attribute transfer

[noble cliff]

HAHAHHA thankoyu for the cope

[wise tide]

a famous man once said “there is no hope without delusion” and thats how i cope

[noble cliff]

words to live by fr

[noble cliff]

managed to finish the new expanse, recommended was 67k and i was only 64k, seems like the current artifacts are still really strong even without conversion @wise tide

[wise tide]

niceee, i was able to confirm ring of courage is a great third slot for low to no copy gwynns because uptime is really good

[noble cliff]

Hell yeah! Even when I was against the boss, I was able to survive with only concerto orbs and overshields, so it’s super strong.

[wise tide]

yea, gwynns really crazy and i refuse to believe estela is better

[pulsar agate]

Is it better than courageous on the 3rd slot?

I guess you have to watch your gameplay and see uptime on overshield

Survivability isn’t an issue besides for new end game content. I’ve been running the disabled Ring Of Conversion and I don’t see a difference in survivability in most content. Where I see the most difference is like high level expanse . That’s where I realized how broken Ring Of Conversion was

I do think that Unrelenting Evolution + Ring of courage might be a good combo?

Going to preface that this is for T0 Gwyn

[wise tide]

it’s 2% less of a universal damage buff than ring of courage but definitely easier to trigger and more on demand than ring depending on content. So in short it’d be up to personal preference and/or how often you’re getting overshield/orbs because from what i noticed the Overshield does last rather long. I just chose it because i’d rather have the extra 2% and i’m always overhealed. Ring of conversion would have been so nice</3.

unrelenting evolution could be a good option if i’m reading the perk right, gain 15 stacks when you TP and one stack decays at a time every second would be good because her TP is on a 12 second cooldown so uptime could be all the time plus if you save your pulls and try to go for T2 where you get 2 TP’s at a time you could have higher stacks i assume

[pulsar agate]

Ring of courage grants you damage resist to proc Unrelenting and at max stacks for unrelenting at level 1 you take 12% less damage

[pulsar agate]

Yeah I think they’re both good at this point then. I’ll record gameplay of myself in high Expanse Level and Calamity and see if how often I have over shield

[chilly adder]

was able to clear stage 30 with a new set of artifact, was tough tho

[pulsar agate]

At least they gave us an exotic artifact to replace it…I wish I could get the materials though

My ring of conversion was good too bro…. And they really just nuked it

[chilly adder]

yea that was annoying, but I get it

[pulsar agate]

Ooo inverted tenacity user

[chilly adder]

yea has to figure something out to survive stage 30

did it 11:38

[pulsar agate]

If we had Ring Of Conversion it would of been so easy, but you right

That Artifact was too OP…I see why they had to disable it

[chilly adder]

yep, i dont follow meta guide and I knew that thing was busted. issue is my materials gone

[noble cliff]

fr they gave me this in the mail, but i want my essence back not a mythic mod 😭😭

[chilly adder]

did you have yours a mythic?

[noble cliff]

i was upgrading my exotic one, and used essence on it already :((

[chilly adder]

not as bad as me at least I probably refracted dozens of times and they send me this

and i got a bad roll out of it obv

[noble cliff]

OOFT thats crazy

[pulsar agate]

I think I’m gonna run unrelenting evolution

For my 2nd slot, fk it

[wise tide]

definitely sounds like a good option, i dont want to wait and see if planet will be good after it’s fixed, especially with the synergy with ring of courage it could be best in slot

and lmk how often overshield is up because i optimized my build for raids so it’d be cool to see the build stress tested in higher level situations

[pulsar agate]

Courage does not give you damage reduction effect my bad LMAOO

But I’ll have to test

Cause you’re right that her teleport gives damage reduction effect but wording in courage doesn’t

[pulsar agate]

That’s my issue too, I want to optimize my build for raids. But other content exist in the game

So I’m not sure where to lean on

Your overshield def has high uptime in raid , especially at boss phases. But yeah for high end content where your power is slightly under or just at the requirement, I want to see how often you actually have overshield

[wise tide]

yea i feel like it also comes down to playstyle like an example being if you have no need to burst down any enemies in a short manner (like shinkas) courage would be good, but if you need to burst down enemies quickly or have a shorter window on boss damage courageous would be a good option as well

also with those two examples it’s also a matter of how easily accessible that buff is in each situation

[pulsar agate]

Wait could you explain how not needing to burst shinka courage would be better

Are you saying that if you need to brurst down a shinka, you’re getting damaged by other enemies and then you lose overshield so that bonus isn’t applying? And that’s why courageous is better?

[wise tide]

sorry for being unclear: What I meant was if an impact shinka is around a cluster of enemies you can guarantee a damage buff for 5 seconds by using teleport to get in using the courageous planet artifacts and burst it down within that time limit. With ring of courage it’s not like you can’t burst it down in a time limit, you’d just have to be careful enough not to take too much damage from it or the surrounding enemies that it shreds your overshield and removes the buff from ring of courage

[pulsar agate]

Ahh right so that’s basically what I’m saying

[wise tide]

yea basically but i’m also not trying to say any artifact it better because i’m still not quite sure which one is better

i just obtained ring of courage yesterday and besides speed-running the final encounter of the raid i really haven’t tested it much

[wise tide]

just got a god roll but cant post it</3

[pulsar agate]

What are the attributes

[clear flax]

running this but with binging platesimal on 2nd slot and valient vale on 4th slot. lowk might change valient veil but not sure to what (this is lowk been my core build on gwynn since like day2 of her coming out ngl)

[wise tide]

ring of abundance with: ranged damage resistance, defense boost, elemental resistance and melee damage resistance

once reset hits imma hit singularity so i can impose it onto my current ring

[chilly adder]

keep me posted, ill play around the artifact this weekend

[cold pine]

and what’s the best rotation for gwynn?

[noble cliff]

do u mean dps rotation

[cold pine]

there’s a rotation for gwynnt

that maximize her power

like using a combo

[wise tide]

do you have any copies or exotic weapons?

[cold pine]

no copies

and the concerto

[wise tide]

i’m not positive of super damage when you have no copies but i start the damage phase with ult then burn it as soon as possible. Then with 4 full cadenza stacks on your concerto you’ll swap to your shotgun and magdump. What you could do here is when there are five or more void spirits on the ground you can use death dance to immediately refund your ability, get damage in, and re proc your buffs. then after the mag is empty, swap to concerto and back to the shotgun to re-fill it and transfer your cadenza stacks to it

if damage phase is still going on after your main rotation just hold down fire on the shotgun so you shoot the second you get a shell in

[cold pine]

thanks! i’ll try this rotation

[wise tide]

ofc! let me know how it goes

[cold pine]

also i read all the tips that yell left

and i didn’t notice until some hours ago that its true

gwynn does gain a lot of shield

like “extra shield”

so i’ll try the build once i get some good mods

[wise tide]

yea especially with ring of abundance, i constantly find myself either topped out on overshields or healing from low health to over full

i hope the tips were helpful!

[cold pine]

they were! as i said, they made me realize a lot of things about gwynn

she is not a “tanky” character
she is an overshield monster

my tanky i mean she could take a lot of damage and survive (i’ve seen some builds like this)

[wise tide]

yea, one thing i like is how different i’ve seen so many builds for gwynn

some focus in ability damage, some focus on tank, some focus on DPS, she almost feels like a swiss army knife just missing supporting her team

[pulsar agate]

It’s either rampaging or valient veil on slot 4

And is still don’t know what to choose lol

[clear flax]

valiant veil has worked wonders for me. that extra damage buff for everything is really nice in terms of bursting all her dps

[pulsar agate]

each have their pro and cons for sure

you can only proc valient veil once every 12 sec

but the 5 sec 20% dmg boost is nice

Rampaging is alwys on and it buffs your sig by 32%

[clear flax]

yeah thats a fair point but if you can only proc valient veil once every sec and it has a 5 second window, wouldnt you be able to kinda just spam it to an extent and keep procing it?

because with rampaging always being on, yes your sigs are buffed by 32% but in the time window you dont have them up, you are kinda losing out on that oppurtuinty for dps no?

[pulsar agate]

sorry I mistyped, you can only proc is once very 12 seconds if you dont have dupes

because the only movement ability is your TP

ive sat in the range for while trying out both and honestly it might be similar and it just purely down to use case

[clear flax]

yeah thats what it seems

[pulsar agate]

Rampaging does indeed do what it says (which is a good thing, there is alot of mis-labeled and even flat out wrong %s in artifacts)
18k tp
28 spin

after rampaing

24k tp
32k spin

[clear flax]

in my mind what i was thinking is that in the timeframe of when you do not have abilites up, being able to make your shotgun dps go up, or any other of her DPS factors still more potent seems to have a higher chance of having higher overall dps.

like for penetrating shot, wouldnt veil cause that damage to go up? so once you pop your sigs and in that time of not having them, mag dumping your shotgun with penetrating shot is gonna have a crazy amt of dps id assume

[pulsar agate]

yes

[clear flax]

now my question is, does rampaging only buff the moves themselves or what comes with the moves? like the void spirits etc. because if its only buffing the spin/tp and not the void spirits or penetrating shot etc then idk

[pulsar agate]

1K (concerto bullet non crit
14.7k shot gun all crit
15K tp
21k spin
after valient + penetrating (by tp buff)

1.7k *concerto non crit
30K shotgun all crit
15k tp (your tip will never be buffed without dupes)
27.5k spin

if only I could just create my own artifact

I dont have a valient and rampaging that are both trash to compare too 🙁

[pulsar agate]

it buffs the void spirit explosion

will test that for u right now

[clear flax]

okay awesome thank u

[pulsar agate]

124K on spin (slash and void explosion 6 couint) (Slash is 25k iteslef like mentioned earlier)

147K on spin (slash and void explossion 6 couint (32k slash itself)

so yes rampaging does increase void explosion (which I knew it did just wanted to double check)

[pulsar agate]

I agree, as Valient is a universal buff, the thing with Gywn is that you spin really often, the downtime isn't that high. You collect alot of void orbs that reduce the spin cool down

And the fact that her void explosion is alot of damage too

[pulsar agate]

Yes Penetrating shot increase the bonus of your weapons for that 5 seconds even more

[clear flax]

hmm okay i wasnt aware it buffed more than just the actual move but the other counter parts of the move

also lowk after learning this and seeing your testing (thank you again btw for doing so) im thinking rampaging is better and also would be even more valuable when comboed with binging planetesimal

[pulsar agate]

Binging is currently bugged, its not healing the correct % , if it was then id be using it, I think binging is still usable too and it would be BIS IMO if the % works

I'm currently using Relentless evo, but thats beside the point lol

[pulsar agate]

IN my head ,

Rampaging is better for overall content, your uptime on rampaging is nearly 100%...you always deal damage upclose and the buff last for 10 seconds. In a lot of content where you can just pick up orbs you get your spin back very fast

I see value in Valient though because 20% universal fo 5 seconds is basicallya burst buff which is most handy against Shinkas and Issaki damage window

[clear flax]

yeah, the other thing is your survivabilty. if you can stay upclose rampaging will always be good but if you cant then i feel like it may fall off a bit

[pulsar agate]

I want to test a 15 second - 30 second damage rotation and seeing what does damage. But I dont have comparable artifacts...all my rampaging artifacts are better than my valient RIP

[clear flax]

so like final thoughts(?)

if you can live = rampaging
if you cant live/want burst = valient

[pulsar agate]

Yeah

I feel like both are viable and at this point this is very min-maxy that doesn't matter in the grand scheme

Rampaging vs Valient most likely isnt a major contributor to who does more damage at the end of the run

Im a number guy so I like to be min maxy but I dont have the proper artifacts to fairly test

[clear flax]

oh yeah same i love number crunching

[pulsar agate]

Like I'm iminaging in issaki what the damage rotation is

and you can get like 3 spins with 6 orbs easily

Ult + spin , 6 shotgun pellets spin, swap cadenze reload another 6 shots and spin with 6 voids

all those spins are buffed 32%

For Valient Veil , do people TP right at the start? Or do you teleport when your super is gone to buff shotgun

[clear flax]

I TP to close distance and start my ult

[pulsar agate]

Maybe Valient Veil is better for T2 Gwyn since your uptime is higher

[clear flax]

then TP again after my ult is done

[pulsar agate]

For anyone not T2, the buff is only 5 seconds and issaki window is like 15 seconds

[pulsar agate]

u have T2 gwyn?

[clear flax]

yeah for the 2 TPs

[pulsar agate]

ahh

I think Valient might be better for anyone with T2+ Gywnn then

total of 10 second damage buff

because if you play Broke Gywn like me

You have to chose wether to buff your ult with Valient or your Shotgun

TP cool down is 12 seconds, you cant really TP twice and double dip like T2+ Gywn can

[clear flax]

yeah fax

by the time my ult is done, my TP charge is almost back to 2 charges so

[pulsar agate]

I can attempt a 15 second window (to replicate issaki) and a more full 30 second window to replicate normal play

[clear flax]

i can then later chain another TP in there to refresh the DPS buff on everything

[pulsar agate]

but numbers are gonna be scuffed and off for me

yeah thats nice

[clear flax]

man once binging isnt bugged 🥹

ive been wanting to get higher tiers for her but im f2p so

[pulsar agate]

Ult->Spin with 6 void->Spam attack for duration
670K Ult spam (8sec duration )
after valient
770.5K ult spam (8 sec duration)

TP damage not included to test valient damage buff on ult purposes

15% damage increase to ult (since your ult last 8 seconds only 5 seconcds are being buffed by 20%)

184K all 8 shots crit

after valient penetrating

350K all 8 shot crit

[clear flax]

honestly thats not bad, you could possibly tp again if yu have t2 and milk that last little bit and then have a TP again waiting cuz the cooldown would been soon refreshed so

[pulsar agate]

With rampaging (tier 2 vulnerabiltiy / tier 2 arc / tier 2 solar)
900k

with Valient (tier 1 sig /and tier 5 ability/ tier 1 arc)
1M same rotation

Ult spin , 6 shots spin 2 shots (TP damage was not done on target)

its very scuffed, I used a selector to try to find a bad Valient but I only have a bad Rampaging lol

[pulsar agate]

yep

so my conclusions

Both are good , at the end of the day it doesn't really matter and each have their scenarios where they shine best

Rampaging : Good overall with nearly 100% uptime, 32% damage bonus for your spin + explosion + tp

Valinet : Shines at bursting (Ult and TP to start or TP and unload shotgun into shinka/boss) is overall damage and possibly better than rampage at T2 if you space your teleport out to maximize Valient buff duration

Valient loses out on 12% damage on TP and Teleport

Based on my testing and current build I'm doing (my spin does a base of 20K and TP is 15K)

Spin: 20K Base / 24K Valient /26.6K Rampaging (2.6K loss)
TP: 15K Base / 18K valient/ 19.9K Rampaging (nearly 2K lost

Is losing a nearly permantn 2.6K + 2K signature damage loss worth buffing 20% to your shotgun and ult

I think for me as a poor player, I stick with Binging for now

[slate pagoda]

So whats the consensus on the best sets for t6 gwynn?

[pulsar agate]

Im not rich enough for that sorry 🙁

I think if you have T6 than Valiant might be better too

Wait T5 is more sig damamge and T6 lets you spam sig more

so you get more value out rampaging....see this is why I think at the end of the day it dont matter. What matters most is the attribute rolls u have lol

[slate pagoda]

How does the Rampaging Pact set benefit gwynn?

Nvm. Im confused.

[pulsar agate]

we talking Planet not Pact

[slate pagoda]

Ok, I think I understood it now. You're also only talking about the last slot artifact.

I wanted to ask more about the whole set. Whats the consensus of each slot.

I was confused as in I had to use Planet in every slot for a set bonus or effect. But its just based on attribute value.

[pulsar agate]

yes

[pulsar agate]

yeah last slot

[crystal zinc]

Just got the concerto 1st catalyst done

Now I just need to get band 01 done

[hearty wadi]

what artifacts am i running with a t6 gwynn?

currently running ring of abundance, binging planet, courageous planet, and valiant veil.

[pulsar agate]

im gonna try to farm strikes tonight with no energy for concerto....wish me luck

[crystal zinc]

I’ll pray to RNGesus for you

[wise tide]

actually no, both of her abilities count as movement abilities, that’s why i run it

[wise tide]

i find the uptime insane because her void dance is a movement ability and i can just spam it with 5+ orbs on the ground

i think i stated this a few days ago

[wise tide]

from a T6 gwynn

#1414793054912778260 message

they stated because of the T6 their overshield uptime is high so they run that

even with T1 i do love my ring of courage

[pulsar agate]

Are you sure?

How come it’s not listed as movement ability though

[wise tide]

100% positive, i heard about it through reddit and was skeptical so i tested it

[wise tide]

probably because it doesn’t move you like her TP or ning fei’s kit but if you use the ability in the air you don’t fall at all; that could be the reason it works or is coded as a movement ability

[wise tide]

i haven’t heard anything from the dev’s about it being an unintentional interaction and i am constantly checking patch notes to see if they plan to remove it

[pulsar agate]

I just tested and your right, the spin gives me a damage boost

Even though the ability has no mention of movement at all , let alone the keyword

It’s not giving me 8.75% on her spin though

[wise tide]

yea, if it turns out to be another ring of conversion situation i’m going to be bummed because i don’t enjoy using rampaging planet

[wise tide]

probably because it procs the buff? what if you swipe with all five orbs would it amplify

wait let me test if it amplifies the orbs on first swing

ok A) the scythe swinging your using to proc valient ALSO applied to the orbs that get sent out in the same swing, which is a pretty smooth addition

and if you can reset the scythe swing it also applies to the void dance

it’s like courageous planet but in the fourth slot

[pulsar agate]

1487 is one concerto precision , with valiant and spin it goes up to 1589 (4.7% increase)

With TP to activate Valiant I do 1695 (14% increase)

I have a tier 1 Valiant that’s suppose to be 8.75% …

Why the is Spin (which isn’t a movement) giving less of a damage buff

TP 10562 , Spin to proc Valient TP is 11367

7.6% buff a little closer to the stated 8.5%

[pulsar agate]

I’m purposely waiting out Penetrating Shot and then shooting

Valiant Lasts 5 seconds and penetrating last 4 seconds

[pulsar agate]

The numbers look funny to me based on testing , but as of right now Valient somewhat works on her Spin when it shouldn’t…(it’s not giving the % buff like Teleport does)

Is this gonna be a Ring Of Conversion incident

[wise tide]

i genuinely hope not because i don’t find much joy with planet… but i do view this as an unintended interaction

[pulsar agate]

What’s wrong with Planet

[wise tide]

i just don’t like that i have to shoot 10 times to get full damage bonus

up until this update you could only have like 6 orbs on the ground so if you’re mag dumping your shotty to proc it you risk losing some void orbs and i dont find it worth 10 pistol shots in isaki’s ~20 second damage rotation

this way i can shoot like 6 or so shotty shots, void dance and mag dump again

is it unoptimized?

[pulsar agate]

So testing with concerto, the Valient buff when you teleport is more damage than the spin…

[wise tide]

so it doesn’t apply? or just to a lesser degree?

[pulsar agate]

Are you not taking portal or constantly shooting??

Planets buff is 10 seconds

Shooting anything within range maintains that buff, Issaki takes like 3 seconds to actually open up his weak spot and there’s plenty of time to Super and start attacking again

[wise tide]

i’m using all abilities but portal, i use portal at the beginning to proc the damage buff when i ult

[pulsar agate]

Even when I wasn’t doing screens I’d be shooting at something close

When I mean portal I mean the rooms sorry

[wise tide]

i try to take screen to build concerto easier

all good thats my misunderstanding

[pulsar agate]

Rampaging shouldn’t be down for you then

[wise tide]

i also did have a hard time killing enemies but that was before i got concerto and got gwynn to 62k power so maybe now that i’m stronger it’s no longer needed

doing the challenge mode with the mythic pistols i barely did damage

[pulsar agate]

I think to a lesser degree, I just tested with Eternal Retirbution and the teleport is giving me more damage than the spin

[wise tide]

ok

i will fs put planet back into my set but imma keep valient in case i struggle to kill in non raid content

[pulsar agate]

Picture one is my shotgun at base (I have to space my shots or else Karmic triggers lol)

Second pic is with Spin -> waiting out Penetrating and firing after it expires to get Valiant buff

Third pic is with teleport also waiting out Penetration buff

[wise tide]

thats actually a little weird

wait, could the difference in damage have to do with your artifact attributes? I know that 3/4 roll with damage boost attributes and they increase your weapon damage differently

[pulsar agate]

Hmm so interesting

[wise tide]

or weapon damage? imma go see which one rq

[pulsar agate]

Maybe? But how will that effect it

If I remove my other 3 artifacts it’s the same

TP damage is higher. Yes report back after you test yourself, make sure I’m not tripping

[wise tide]

wait

but even then the abilities shouldn’t apply different buffs to the weapons

[pulsar agate]

Yeah

[wise tide]

yea nvm im a little dumb

[pulsar agate]

All good

[wise tide]

then the lesser buff is a sign that it is truly not intended?

[pulsar agate]

1. Found out that spin is able to activate Valiant (which is crazy) If there is another movement based artifact we can test if Spin is coded as movement if it works with something else

2. For some reason the spin is giving a less damage buff

[wise tide]

this should be pinned lowkey lol

[pulsar agate]

3. Valiant is better than I thought lol

[pulsar agate]

Yeah nothing wrong with having both

If this somehow stays in the game, I think Valiant is pretty good then, cause yeah you can spin a lot in your gameplay loop and it makes the uptime on Valiant buff pretty high too. But the buff on the spin is just weaker

[pulsar agate]

lol. It’s late, but I’ll test this and report back

There’s so many weird and wrong things with the artifacts it’s just crazy. I hope they fix Binging Planet so that it heals for the % it says because it heals for lower

[wise tide]

i would test too but i pulled estela yesterday and been working on bringing her up with my gwynn

[wise tide]

and they took our conversion without giving us a decent option </3

[pulsar agate]

Luckily Estelle is more straight forward to build

[wise tide]

yea, i just need the mats lmao

[pulsar agate]

I know…I’m using Evolution as a placeholder….its been working for me so far. But nothing beat Conversion

[wise tide]

even more frustrating because it’s recommended for estela T_T

[pulsar agate]

lol yeah rip my void conversion

I actually have a decent Exotic Valiant so I might swap over then

Thank you for bringing this to me. I was skeptical as well but damn anything goes for this game

[wise tide]

ofc ofc, lol you helped me with numbers and what not and i do enjoy contributing

[crystal zinc]

Trying so bad to get an eternal retribution with conjunction and karmic

What do I get… dual loader and karmic

I suppose having the perk bonus activated on dual loader would be good for those situations where there’s nothing to get a final blow on for instant reload

[slate pagoda]

Isint Line + Karmic the best config?

[crystal zinc]

Apparently

[crystal zinc]

The perk from exotic mods for line is nice

Endless shotgun

[wise tide]

yea

duo loader is nice if you don’t have concerto tho

[slate pagoda]

Im still rerolling for mine. I keep getting Dual Load and Wounds

[pulsar agate]

Dual + Karmic is nice for general play

Since you won’t always be able to have Cadenza, unless you’re good like me and always manage it

[slate pagoda]

🥲

[pulsar agate]

I’m just joking

[pulsar agate]

But Dual Load is very nice quality of life

[crystal zinc]

Especially once you activate the perk for not slowing reload time

[sudden tangle]

may I ask what your 3-4 stats are? So the offensive attributes like weapon boost, ability strength etc

[noble cliff]

ignore the solar boost, but these are my artifacts right now

just need to refactor all of them, and farm for god rolls to transfer eventually

just hit set 5 and realised i dont need overshield bonus on gwynn anymore

@sudden tangle

[sudden tangle]

thank you very much . trying to get a unit to 64k to get past acclaim 20 and my gwynn has the highest weapon stat so I wanted to focus on her for now but didnt know what attributes to look for

[warm ridge]

Feels good to have a karmic line shotty ans 3 exo mods with the perks active

[noble cliff]

i just want line formation exotic mod 🙁

[sudden tangle]

I assume you opted out of overshield stat after testing because the base with abundance is good enough? I have abunch of overshield stat rn but I hit the cap on the shield so quickly

[noble cliff]

yeah, as long as you run abundance, with set 5, you have instant overshields with 3-4 void stacks

[crystal zinc]

I wish they had trading, I have three god rolls just sitting in my inventory

[noble cliff]

i dotn care about any other godrolls

just that ONE line formation godroll is all i need

[noble cliff]

id pay u fr HAAHA

[sudden tangle]

right under acclaim 20 rn and this is what I got. Sadly stuck at 61k power rn. 17.5k weapon and 16.1k artifact. How much more can I realistically gain from artifact by refactoring? I know I need to work on weapon but working on getting good mods for it (got +10 mythics but need exos) . Got a karmic exotic mod with boss dmg which is at +7 which is max for me. Sadly have to wait to get dupes on concerto for that catalyst to get boosted

My shotgun is at 8994 but concerto is down at 8.5k

[deft monolith]

What is the best artifact for slot 1?? Is it Ring of Abundance or Abundant Planetesimal??

[faint pagoda]

what artifacts should I be aiming to farm for Gywnn?

[chilly adder]

im working with this atm

[mellow sequoia]

I just tested Gwynn and Valiant veil a decent amount because I saw your testing the other day and I found out that Gwynn is currently bugged.

With 0 artifacts on or anything that would effect damage explicitly, after you use Void dance Gwynn gets a 5% all damage buff.

This worked with super/weapon/signature ability damage.

[pulsar agate]

Thank you for this, this is another interesting discovery then

This also explains why the damage buff on Spin is smaller than Teleport when I used Valiant

This game is all sorts of broken LMAOO

You literally can’t trust almost anything now without explicit repeatable test…I have some people in the Insomniac pack reporting that Mythic perks are not giving the damage % intended as well

[mellow sequoia]

Yea I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Just means the code is sloppy all around.

[pulsar agate]

Her spin is most likely not coded as a movement ability then. But for whatever reason her Spin gives a small damage buff. The duration might be like 5 seconds or something. I guess this means Rampaging is just as good as Valiant then depending on if you have T2 then

Thank you for your contribution Almawt, I guess I’m going back to Rampaging

[mellow sequoia]

It feels so bad to use rampaging without T5, dont know what Im going to do. Tried the full weapon damage build, but that felt equally bad because of the prominence of her abilities in contributing to her overall damage.

And since the Ring of Conversion nerfs, maintaining consistent overshield is also tough.

[pulsar agate]

Yeaaaa I don’t whale so I was never getting T2 to abuse Valiant

Let alone T5

[pulsar agate]

Yeah her Spin + Orb explosion is a lot of damage

@wise tide new discovery unlocked thanks to Almawt

Her spin isn’t a movement and doesn’t proc Valiant. She just has a secret artifact in her spin that gives a universal 5% buff

[wise tide]

oh that would make so much sense

and that is hilarious that it’s not mentioned

[pulsar agate]

Right? It directly answered why my spin was giving a smaller damage buff than teleport

[wise tide]

and i hope that means it’s not getting patched too

unless it’s truly unintentional

[pulsar agate]

At this point…idk lmao so many things are broken, bugged, wrong % etc

My numbers all my make sense now

In that test, I didn’t wait long enough for the secret 5% damage buff. So when I Teleported to test. It took the 8.75% damage from Valiant + secret spin buff

And made me do 14%

[wise tide]

yea i’m starting to think i shouldn’t commit to any one build until someone does numbers or now i have to do in depth testing when i want to try something else

[pulsar agate]

True, I do think that for artifacts (besides refractor) materials come easily and infinitely so investing in Artifacts aren’t the worst thing

Compared to over investing in a exotic weapon

I will say , unless the artifact is like extremely wrong. This is very min-maxy and at the end of the day probably isn’t too dig it’s tm?

[wise tide]

yea my octant riot shotgun sitting in the corner

i don’t think it’s too big a problem as i’m still using planet in my second slot XD

[dusty ingot]

What’s everyone using for their 3rd slot?

[wise tide]

i’m running courageous planetisimal, but ring of courage is also a decent option

[mellow sequoia]

Upon further testing I just realized that its actually nothing bugged and just the base effect she gets from her light linked companion bonus. 😆

[idle wind]

how did you get tier 10 slot of atribute? I even using attribute transfer but still not full like yours

[pulsar agate]

Oh HAHAHAH

Dude I forgot this exist

[idle wind]

if available, can you check my dm? thankyou

[dusty ingot]

I tried courageous plan, but im getting a dps difference of about 6% at tier 5. I think its additive vs. multiplicative? Im leaning towards the impact body shot artifact that one seems multiplicative

[slate pagoda]

How necessary is Line over Dual Loader with Karmic?

Im tired of farming this 😅

[noble cliff]

not real 100% necessary, dual loader is nice too for convenience

[slate pagoda]

Found a Conjugation + Karmic. Gonna stick to it for a while.

[pulsar agate]

Still a good roll

Line Formation + Karmic is good because both have weapon mod upgrades

Not only boosting your weapon power by a bit even further but now you have added effects

[sinful tendon]

Bur everybody in top leaderboards use dual loader or conjugation... i think dual loader with 3 pellet reload is much better, no? And well conjugation for continuos dmg boost... why is line formation better i dont understand

[wise tide]

Because with concerto the need for manually reloading your shotgun is dropped off significantly + concerto’s damage buff is like 5 seconds long so you’re aiming to shoot out all your bullets before the timer runs out and line formation enables you to do so

[pulsar agate]

Everybody? Are you sure? It seems to be a mix of Conjuction/Line Formation. I’m looking server wide and the top teams in Raid specifically. It depends what content you’re looking at. Dual Loader is nice QoL but it does not out damage Line Formation in a raid boss when you have 15 seconds to hit the boss

[wise tide]

maybe they’re looking at the leaderboards for the expanse because maybe duo loader would be meta there?

[pulsar agate]

Yeah in there dual loader would be nice

[slate pagoda]

Line allows you to shoot faster and more bullets, since it give you ammo from reserves.

Conj and Karmic is just raw upfront dmg

[slate pagoda]

Wait, theres also rng with the mods?

[crystal zinc]

Yep

[slate pagoda]

I found my first exotic. What substats am I looking for?

Clam Grenades

Main: Weapon Dmg

Subs:
Weapon Dmg vs Boss/Powerful
Accuracy +3.

This good enough?

[pulsar agate]

The subs for mods are very minuscule. The realized gains from mods are barely noticeable… what’s important is that the mod is exotic and matches perk

[noble cliff]

the only one i can think that matters is mag size % for gwynns shotgun

[pulsar agate]

^ I’ve never seen one of those on my account either

[slate pagoda]

Understood

[tame lintel]

What's the consensus for Gwynn's best artifacts at t1? I'm running resolute/binging/courageous/bellicose

[wise tide]

rampaging planet would be better for 4th slot and ring of abundance first slot

[mellow sequoia]

sub stat mods can give you like 25% increased damage (dont know if thats additive or multiplicative) its just not relevant ever because of how hard it is to not only get the correct perk + sub stat + type + slot

[wise tide]

is there any confirmed additive or multiplicative damage bonuses? how would we know?

[wise tide]

another gwynn buff lets goo

[tame lintel]

Does rampaging actually work? I tried testing in the practice range but I can't seem to get any buffs to my abilities. It should buff her tp, spin and ult right?

[wise tide]

correct that is what it should buff, prior to the patch i did a damage test (because i was using valiant veil) and it buffs all of her abilities

[tame lintel]

There's no icon to track the rampaging stacks is there? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong

[wise tide]

i’m on mobile and no, there is no icon on my hotbar when i stack up any artifact perks

[tame lintel]

Never mind I'm dumb, it works. My spin does 19k at base and then 25k at full stacks

[pulsar agate]

It works lol

I tested rampage a lot

[tame lintel]

Yeah it definitely works, I was just tripping momentarily

[slate pagoda]

Woot. Finally got the Line+Karmic

[deft monolith]

I have one artifact with super, signature, weapon,solar and other one with signature, weapon,void, vulnerability...which one is better?

[slate pagoda]

Whats the best way to farm Mods?

[dull tundra]

yaaaaassss

[wise tide]

front line events and masters/grandmasters

[slate pagoda]

Thanks.

[vale nexus]

Anyone got a decent artifact build which is really useful for Gwynn just got her fresh

[thorn jungle]

100% if you use concerto for the primary

[wise tide]

guys i finally got T2!!!

[noble cliff]

for??? 😮

oh this is a gwynn chat

[wise tide]

yea lol

[crystal zinc]

Hell yes!

I wish it was mag capacity, but it’s a start

[vernal jasper]

ty for reminding me that not only is it a grind to get exotic mods of the type you need, and to hope if lands a perk for your weapon, but there is ideal substats as well.

[crystal zinc]

Yeah, it’s a bit much

[honest loom]

What did y’all replace conversion with

[wise tide]

i replaced mine with unrelenting evolution

[honest loom]

Thank you

[slate pagoda]

Are mod refinement shared among those with the same name, like artifacts?

Finally got a Karmic Perk on the Clam Grenade, but not sure the sub stats are ideal, dont wanna waste the resources refining a subpar mod

[crystal zinc]

Yes

[vernal jasper]

Whats the ideal setup on gwynn now for relics?

[crystal zinc]

IMHO

Resolute Conjunction, Binging, Courageous, and Rampaging Planetisimal

[mellow sequoia]

How many talents you got determines whats good

[vernal jasper]

T0

[noble cliff]

this is what im running, but rank 1 gwynn na uses bellicose veil third, but that requires t2

i have a perfect rolled courage so i use courage instead, gives good consistent dps

[warm ridge]

No super boost so not perfect

[noble cliff]

gwynn doesnt run super boost

cause cancelling super is best for dps

[warm ridge]

Never heard before

[noble cliff]

yes, for best damage you cancel ult and use shotgun again

[warm ridge]

But where you need that

I mean calamity especially if you Cancel super u need so much heavy and have to be lucky with ammo drops

For raidboss it might be worth but thats it

[noble cliff]

void boost and weapon mastery is really important as well, because it makes your shotgun deal much more damage, especially with weapon mastery 5

so overall you do more damage this way

in calamity

more weapon damage = bigger boost from penetrating shot

[warm ridge]

Maybe i should give this a try

[wise tide]

idk if you’re T1 but one full super is over 1 million damage in 5 seconds giving you more than enough time to mag dump your 4 cadenza stacks and then some. With how long isaki’s current boss phase is you’re missing out on total DPS because you’ll be out of heavy by the time DPS phase is over (unless there is an estela on which they’re doing double your damage)

and at a full phase you’ll actually be doing less DPS than if you had used ult because of reload times. In calamity ops if you’re ulting a champ you might as well continue slashing away at it because again, if you have T1 it’s a million damage, and if you don’t have T1, why are you ulting in the first place if you plan to cancel?

[noble cliff]

yeah but with weapon enhance + void boost, your shotgun damage gives you overall more damage

the scaling is crazy per shot

[wise tide]

you’re running rampaging planet, gwynn’s ability damage is where a majority of her damage comes from

similar to estela

[noble cliff]

thats what i used to think,

i was maxing out at like 5.5 mil to 6mil dps in 20 secs

with the weapon build, its like 7 mil in 20 seconds

[wise tide]

in an isolated setting?

[noble cliff]

rank 1 na is hitting 7.8 mil in 20 secs

[wise tide]

zoro?

[noble cliff]

thats almost the same as estela’s damage

[noble cliff]

azaelea

BDO gwynn player

[wise tide]

ahhh, i was thinking abt the power rankings, you’re talking abt eclipse

[noble cliff]

ahh yeah diff ldrboards

i still have the video

ill try and find it,

[wise tide]

you can DM it to me

i just havent seen a single gwynn say anything about weapon enhancement and from building ability myself i didnt think differently

i will admit when i’m wrong and would like to learn more about this game and more specifically this champ

[noble cliff]

yeah i was building full ability dmg as well, until i saw the dps with weapon enhance build 🙁 started rebuilding my artifs

the vid is sending

here @wise tide, he messes up the first combo but the second combo was 7.3m

[wise tide]

much appreciated, i am interested in comparing damage numbers to see how much i’ve been missing

[noble cliff]

this is the heavy dps area, the 15k per shot spam

[wise tide]

thats insane

[noble cliff]

yeahhhh fr

[wise tide]

i’ve been humbled, super boost is not a necessary stat, and weapon enhancement is better than i thought

[noble cliff]

yeah i was also converted hahaha, im rebuilding my artifs now

he actually runs bellicose, but im running courage cause of the godroll

i still cant decide which is better, or more consistent

both seem to be good

[wise tide]

i just tested out belicose veil because i didnt know it offered such a high buff and i think i’m fs converted

[noble cliff]

pretty good right

[wise tide]

yeah

i can imagine it being pretty useful in taking care of shinkas in higher level content

as opposed to an 18% buff

[warm ridge]

Holy moly i tested it and did 7.1mil

Before i did 5.4

[warm ridge]

Strange...tested it more and now i cant go over 6.3-6.4 switched back to old artis and did the same amount

[kindred tiger]

Can you Tell me what the DPS Rotation is, i cant watch the Video
I cant get over 4.4m dps in the practice Range with my 70k power gwynn, T6, Stats are 200+ Weapon enhance
200+ ability and Signature
Running courageous in 3rd and Can Switch rampage and bellicose in 4th and keep the Stats +|- 100 in void or super

I was also Prepping the cadenza stracks before i started my Rotation
As of now my Rotation is
Ult - Spin - ult attacks until done - swapping to Shotty shooting about 12 shots (line Formation + karmic reward) - Spin - swap to concerto - swap to shotty to Refill mag - 12 shots With shotty - Spin - end

I mean 4.4-4.7mtotal dmg
And 275k-300k DPS

[warm ridge]

Blink spin ult spin blink cancel ult shoot spin switch weapons blink shoot spin

[kindred tiger]

Weird… Not Sure what i am doing wrong
Still cant get over 5m total dmg or 300k dps

[warm ridge]

U need your blink for the penetrating shots

[mellow sequoia]

weapon just gets so many multipliers its crazy, Concerto, perks, mods, void boost, wep enhance, wep mastery like damn

[pulsar agate]

I thought this was known that weapon boost was good on gywnn

Wasn't it clear that for specifically our ShotGun that it had contributed alot to our damage pie?

I at least prioritized it with ability strength as well

Line formation mod dropped, finally done

I will say that ability damage is viable for alot of content, but for something like boss phase then the weap damages beats it

You spam your abilities alot more easily than using Shotgun at least in like general play

[noble cliff]

nice!!

[noble cliff]

btw, im pretty sure this will heavily change the DPS numbers in training range

if you have 40% for elite, it will probably do crazy dps numbers on elites in the firing range, giving you a better number on DPS tracker

like the servitor

i have a feeling rank 1 gwynn has 40% extra damage per shot, which is why they are hitting 15k pellets

i rolled DMG bonus vs boss/powerful unfortuantely, so its only in activities ill feel it vs shinkas or boss, rather than vs the servitor in practice range

@wise tide

[wise tide]

these are the mods right?

[wise tide]

my problem was i over-rated super boost and slept on weapon enhancement. I also didn’t know there was a pie chart

[noble cliff]

yeah dmg bonus vs boss is better for actual gameplay and dpsing shinkas

but for damage testing in the firing range, pretty sure we’re missing out on 40% boost to our numbers

vs the servitor

[wise tide]

is the damage range bugged?

or perhaps the servitor isn’t high enough leveled for it to take effect?

[noble cliff]

as in, if we dont have the modifier on our clam magazine, we dont get it in firing range

i would assume the 40% bonus damage boost would give you a larger dps flex in practice range

[wise tide]

ahhh that makes sense

then for the real numbers all we have to do is multiply it by 40%\15%. Not a big deal

[noble cliff]

yeah smthng like that, but that would be for weapon shots only

which makes it annoying

[wise tide]

yea but it’s better than D2 because then you’d have to manually calculate it all or flat out go into an activity to test it

and sometimes D2 doesn’t offer specific numbers so you can calculate it

[noble cliff]

hahahah fair enough

[mellow sequoia]

Every time you do a DPS test in practice range, if you press the reset button and then the history button you can see damage distribution numbers and peak/average dps. Its not entirely accurate as it sometimes doesn't count certain sources of damage (maybe just a bug with Finnala) but it will show you how much damage came from Super/Abilities/Weapons.

[wise tide]

i was completely unaware of that feature, I appreciate you letting me know of this! thank you!

[mellow sequoia]

most people dont know about it either lol, I only found out myself about a week ago

[pulsar agate]

Crazy attribute rolls, I can’t be bothered man

[noble cliff]

oh these arent my rolls, its just the possible rolls for a mod

[pulsar agate]

Oh oops

I found that out pretty early on, that’s why I was under the impression people knew how much the shotgun contributed

[wise tide]

honestly i expected a majority of her damage to come from her abilities and ult. I’m thoroughly suprised to see it’s almost a even split among ability, ult and weapon

[pulsar agate]

Yep

If you have talents the damage pie changes. I only have T1 so my super does the same as Shotgun (Super does a bit more)

What target do you guys use for DPS check?

It seems to kind of not matter? I cycle between different servitors and my results are generally the same

[wise tide]

i use fallen captain, idk why i just do

[slate pagoda]

grats

[slate pagoda]

That third substat is wasted right?

[noble cliff]

yeah, out of the three, either 1 or 2 is best

[tropic spire]

So far I've been checking top Gwen players build to figure out how to build mine, but I was wondering if maybe I was missing something which would make it less "optimal" for my current situation.
Started late so I only managed to pull one before they retire the banner, still farming for a Concerto so I run Chushingura/Eternal with Resolute Conjunction (Mythical), Binging and Courageous Planetesimal (Exotic) and Rampaging Planetesimal (Mythical)
Should I keep farming these or maybe replace Conjunction with Abundant Planetesimal? Most of the time this does the job, but I feel like in some more difficult content my abilities take too long to refresh and I pretty much only rely on them to sustain damage.

[pulsar agate]

lmao

what I run, I have T1 so I use rampaging still

[wise tide]

what would you run if you had more copies?

[pulsar agate]

Idk tbh

I’m too poor to even think that ahead

[pulsar agate]

How does Bellicose Veil feel for you

The sig hit that much harder?

[wise tide]

yea it’s better for champ bursts but much worse for boss damage

[wise tide]

T2 makes it spammable twice (with proper orbs) so it would make it spammable on either the same champ or 2 diff champs for speed

[pulsar agate]

Calamity is the meta anyways, whatever helps you clear those shinkas best

[wise tide]

yea, could be a potentially strong pair with the exotic shotgun, allowing to generate max orbs in like no time

[pulsar agate]

I got over zealous and wanted T1 since it’s a fat 60% damage boost and it took me 58 pulls..never again am I pulling copies for a limited

My artifacts aren’t perfect, they’re good enough so I moved on

I’m too lazy to farm lol. Focused on Ability + Weapon

I have some random mix of super void and sig

I would trade Super for Void/Sig but I cba…I’m farming for Ning now

I’ll do a 20 sec damage test like the video and report how weak I am

Yall out here hitting 6M+

[wise tide]

yea… i’m working on boosting my power so i can rank up calamity ops and not look like a complete burger

[pulsar agate]

Canceling your super after the 6 Orb Spin + Debuff is pretty smart, I didn’t think of that. Maxed Eternal Retribution probably does out damage your basic super slashes

[wise tide]

i believe someone here had some sort of testing and yea something along the lines of weapon enhancement is better than super boost

[mellow sequoia]

Valiant Veil

feels pretty good with T2

[mellow sequoia]

It took me 180 pulls to get her T2 when that many pulls got most people to T4

[wise tide]

which is funny because i wanted T2 for that sole reason lol

[mellow sequoia]

I got it to cheese first encounter of the raid, but yea being able to use Valiant Veil has been so nice since the other 4th slot options dont increase all types of damage

[wise tide]

literally

[pulsar agate]

My luck is just so bad, I will not go for copies anymore

[simple quest]

new wishlist

[pulsar agate]

Highly encourage people to do their own damage testing / 20 second DPS test

And use whatever gives you the best results lol. That Gywn doing 7.7M in 20 sec is crazy (He’s T6)

[pulsar agate]

7.3M oops

[cold pine]

so what’s the best artifact set for a T1 Gwynn?

[wise tide]

this is what i’m running and have found a great amount of success with

[cold pine]

T1?

[wise tide]

T1

i’m T2 but i havent farmed out new artifacts so i’m build like i’ T1

[cold pine]

ty
lets see if i can keep improving my build
i’m running double ring but reading y’all looks like there are better options if you are below t2

[cold pine]

and that build has worked better than double ring and some other famous builds ?

[wise tide]

of you’re talking about ring of conversion then 100% unrelenting evolution gives DR every-time you TP (the TP give 50% DR for a few seconds)

and with ring of abundance then you can easily go from 1% HP to almost full overshield

[cold pine]

i’m currently using this build and it totally works
always recovering from 1 hp to full over shield
and of a lot of damage thanks to the reflection ring

but reading again the thread i noticed that some players are suggesting other combinations if using a t1 gwynn or below

so i’m curious about what could i improve or what can be better for a t1 gwynn

[pulsar agate]

Woah bros on a Ring build

[simple quest]

real

[wise tide]

ring of courage genuinely isn’t a bad option as it gives a higher buff than courageous planet and it’s the same general buff so it affects abilities and weapons plus the DR

but ring of reflection may be a little harder to manage because you’ll need full oversheild for the full buff

[cold pine]

and it does work
i deal a lot of damage in calamity, for example
basically because i’m always on over shield
but yeah, i’m looking for suggestions

tbh i’m bad at building or like understanding what’s better in each case (like having t1, t2, etc.)

[simple quest]

this is my updated wishlist, thoughts?

[cold pine]

yeah…

at first i was going like this

this one instead of reflection

i haven’t farmed more that set (ik its bad but i changed my build fast haha)

[wise tide]

Not bad, third slot is amazing for burst damage my only gripe is binging planet it bugged

i cant offer any solutions to it because i use unrelenting evolution in that slot for DR and ring of abundance first slot for more healing

[wise tide]

you don’t need a full “set” just the artifact you want

rampaging planet is her best option for boss damage and as far as i’m aware her best for T1 and T0, i am unaware what would be better than rampaging planet in fourth slot

you could run valient veil if you’re T2 and up i suppose

[cold pine]

what about the other two?

should i change them too?

[simple quest]

i have a perfect rolled ring i just want a perfect bellicose veil

[simple quest]

70% ability dmg buff 🤤

[wise tide]

i’d change out binging planet because it does not heal the intended amount

or you could keep using it for when they eventually fix it if you’re not struggling too much in content

[cold pine]

not really
the rings are really helpful

[wise tide]

i use ring of abundance because the heal is strong and unrelenting evolution because it’d be a waste to have two healing artifacts on

[cold pine]

but i’ll give it a try

[cold pine]

this is the build right?

[wise tide]

i have some god rolls and i’m scared to swap them out

[wise tide]

correct

[simple quest]

i can speak for myself i got the expanse placement i wanted and as long as your attributes are good the artifact perk itself shouldn’t really hold you back

[cold pine]

just to be sure so i can start farming and give them a try before going all the way into rolling artifacts

[cold pine]

ty!

[wise tide]

thats good to hear, i got unrelenting evolution just because someone in here was asking about it and so i tested it and found it satisfactory

[simple quest]

what is your attribute split? i run
healing/defense/health
void/ability/signature

[wise tide]

ofc! I wish you luck in farming! and come back if you find anything cool

[simple quest]

i used to run super but it seems the consensus is that super is cope cuz ppl are animation cancelling

[simple quest]

i’d probably add recovery and weapon on for exotics in the future

[wise tide]

i’d go healing, defense boost, health boost, and then your choice of either melee or ranged damage resistance

[simple quest]

resist over recovery you think?

[wise tide]

and then for 3/4 i’d do ability, sig, void, and then your choice of weapon enhancement or super enhancement

but i’d go weapon personally

[simple quest]

me too

[wise tide]

100% recovery only effect your natural health regen

[simple quest]

caring this much about artifacts has me feeling like this dork

[wise tide]

i’m telling a trusted adult…

[simple quest]

😭😭😭

[simple quest]

what’s ur in game name you have tons of good info i wanna toss you a like

[wise tide]

SleepGod

i’m NA so you should be able to add me

[pulsar agate]

My build at T1

And it works for me, I need to get rid of Solar but I can’t be bothered

[warm ridge]

And super boost for signature

[simple quest]

super boost is cope i’m afraid…

[warm ridge]

Sorry for asking what means Cope english is not my Main language

[simple quest]

you’re better off going for signature/ ability/ weapon/ void

[warm ridge]

Yeah thats what is said

[simple quest]

oh my b i blundered💔

i understand

[warm ridge]

😂

[simple quest]

[tropic spire]

I gave ring of abundance+unrelenting evolution a try and I really like it, a lot more than conjunction+binging.

[slim flicker]

need the weapon enhancementtt attribute real quickk :<

[simple quest]

that’s 4th behind signature/ability/void

her abilities outclass any shotty

[vale nexus]

MY LUCK HAS PREVEILED

This bad boi gonna hella op with my Godroll eternal shotty

[arctic current]

What are the 2 best perks for her pump?

[wise tide]

line formation, karmic reward

[vale nexus]

I got Dual Loader with Karmic Rewards for the shotty I thought dual loader was the best perk with Karmic if it ain't why is it recommended?

[pulsar agate]

Recommended can be wrong

Dual Loader does nothing for her damage in a DPS window. It’s just QoL (a good one at that)

It terms of maximum DPS its Line Formation + Exotic mod

[vale nexus]

Ok thx for info now I have to roll alot of times for the perfect shotty 😭

[wise tide]

with the third caty on concerto weapons do more damage than super even with super boost

just found this out

but abilities still do more, and that stupid artifact that makes your weapons deal more damage when they’re the same element is still garbage even with weapons out damaging super, your abilities are strongest so it’s a DPS loss and a total damage loss

[tropic spire]

God damn it, rolled arc/ability/signature/weapon on a void rampaging planetesimal

Can that be transferred on an arc one? Or does the element transfer as well?

[warm ridge]

You can roll this on an arc one

[tropic spire]

You mean transfer? Because I know I can roll it on an arc one, but the probability of finding the same exotic on arc is abysmal.

[warm ridge]

Yes i mean transfer

[tropic spire]

Cool, thank you 👌