Ascēnsiō v.0.1.1

[coarse blade]

if you want

i can dm the link to you

[agile flint]

Imo, having server is nice, but if majority of attention can be achieved in cryptid server forum it'll alr kinda serve the purpose of "it", since having diff server could also meant dividing contribution attention to the mod itself and could hurt progress of it a bit, but can ignore me since probably just me overthinking abt it

[coarse blade]

how about we close down the thread when the server's ready

with the last message being an invite to the server

idk

[agile flint]

am not sure, its not up to me anyways, since I am not a head of this mod, it just mere personal concern

[coarse blade]

kay

[river fjord]

yea good idea

[safe sapphire]

I wasn't too concerned about having a separate Discord server. ATM, things have been running well as they have been. That being said, separate places for art and the like would be beneficial. If this does go through, I don't think we should close the thread. Many people (rightly in my opinion) don't want to join another server just for another mod, and so just cutting off communication here means cutting off communication to those people entirely. At the very least, notable updates and the like should still be prominently posted here.

[coarse blade]

kay

will dm you the invite jic

y'all fw the public worship hall chat

[opal hazel]

yes (the contents of these worship halls should only be their respective emojis (, 🌞 , [Bulgoe], [Gros michel], etc)

[coarse blade]

wait hold on

[river fjord]

im ascending it so good

[river fjord]

holy PEAK...

[river fjord]

celestial globe

[fervent sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/furina-peak-it's-peak-its-peak-its-gif-12345932120890255341

[agile flint]

TIL that even that if I manage to rebuild my pc, I still probably have to do spritework on my laptop since recent aseprite build didnt like my win 10 system, some feature just bugs out, its not much but will probably irks me in the lobg run

[opal plank]

bulgoe

[winter bear]

I'm adding some name ideas, is that okay?

[safe sapphire]

Sure!

[peak escarp]

Gula's already taken by Gluttonous Joker!

[winter bear]

ah, fair enough. I didn't check all the tabs

I suggested the name "Tournesol" for the Exotic Solar Dagger based off an FF sword of the same name

it's literally a sun sword, so yeah XD

the art could be based on it as well

[steep flame]

oh shit ffxii?

thats like my childhood game

[winter bear]

my first FF game and one I still love today!

[steep flame]

yess

its so underrated

ive 100%ed it multiple times

[winter bear]

it's very underrated

so, naturally, an upgrade to a 'sun dagger' would be a sun-themed sword, and Tournesol is the first one that comes to mind

[steep flame]

true

[winter bear]

even if it breaks the Latin naming convention

[steep flame]

i think it can be vaguely translated from latin still

specifically "sunflower"

[winter bear]

yeah, but then it loses the reference XD

[steep flame]

it's one of those things that google translate doesn't like much

you can translate it from latin to english, but not from english to latin

[tribal moth]

I did some etymology backtracking on wiktionary; maybe something that's a bit more latin but still stays similar to the name would be "Tornasol"?

Tournesol (French) <- Tornasole (Italian) = torna (Italian) + Sole (Italian)

• torna/tornare (Italian) <- tornāre/torno (Latin)
• Sole (Italian) <- sōlem/sol (Latin)

Then torno + sol = Tornasol (not Tornosol, since the last "o" in "torno" is often replaced with an "ā" (or "a") in conjugations, i.e. change the word a bit)

[winter bear]

sounds good! want to split credit for that one?

[tribal moth]

nah it's fine, dw

[winter bear]

I updated it and added a note about the origin of it for anyone who hasn't read this chat

[safe sapphire]

Throwing this out there, for the beyond ascension equivalent, Ruby and a couple of others mention transcend as the name. I think this would work fine! The only thing is that other mods are going to have their own equivalent of that card as well. My thought for this: What if we save transcendence for a future "all-in-one" togglable 2nd upgrade card that can be set to favor a certain mod over others if there is a conflict? As a replacement, what if we called the card apotheosis instead? Spit balling ideas at the moment.

[winter bear]

That's good! I like it. I just proposed "Apotheosis" as the Exotic name for "Metamorphosis", but I like your idea better

or maybe swap it around?

[coarse blade]

try exultation?

[winter bear]

again, just thoughts

[safe sapphire]

Ah, I didn't see that. Not sure if it was taken by another card, but what about deificatio as a replacement?

[winter bear]

or something similar. I'm not super attached to that one, so you can remove it off the sheet if you want to use the term elsewhere

I'm quite fond of my Caviar Exotic name, though. I was thinking about what might be the Latin/Roman equivalent to ambrosia when wikipedia shone a light on that little nugget

[coarse blade]

vote now on your phones

[peak escarp]

Chose apotheosis for reasons only evident to hssr

[coarse blade]

smiles brightly

so trueeeeee

[opal plank]

hey, @safe sapphire, i have a question
are there any plans for some way to be able to see what jokers evolve from what in terms of ascension? currently, some jokers like sine fine venari and magnum opus are a little hard to tell what they're an ascension from, expecially from newer players. some kind of indicator to show that "hey, this exotic joker is an ascension of this joker" would be really cool to see

[grizzled tiger]

you could add it like this

[safe sapphire]

I greatly appreciate your offer Hexa. That's definitely a route we could take.

[opal plank]

or like this

[grizzled tiger]

either route works

[safe sapphire]

While I really appreciate the tool tip system Hexa allowed us to use, I wonder if there would be a subtler way to communicate that info. You know how for chocolate dice, a system was created to only show text when the number it is hovered over? I wonder if we could do something similar with a symbol added to the end of the name or description of a joker to give that information.

[opal plank]

chocolate die's mechanic for that doesn't even work anymore to be fair

[tribal moth]

might be a pain in the ass b/c ui, but what about a subtitle under the joker name?

[steep flame]

actually, that would be extremely easy

you can just

turn the name into a table and use multiple lines

like you would with a description

[tribal moth]

wait

you can do that???????????

[steep flame]

mhm!!!

[tribal moth]

holy hell, til i guess lol

[steep flame]

you used to have to do some generate_ui jank but smods added this feature recently

[peak escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-more-know-gif-4483207

[tribal moth]

ah, okay makes sense

[steep flame]

this is what you had to do before

[tribal moth]

I see

[safe sapphire]

While that is neat, I fear what happens if you have two or more transformations on a Joker. Let's imagine a Joker not from entropy has both an exotic and an entropic version of itself (I know we were talking about showing its pre-evo, but bear with me). That you mean its name would be like:
Joker
-# Ascends Into Balatro
-# Apoths Into Balala
Plus any other mod that adds a version of it. I feel that, in combination with other mods that add similar labels, it will become overly clunky.

[fervent sierra]

YOU CAN DO THAT?

[safe sapphire]

Would there be a way to only have that info show up in the atlas like stickers can?

Or, maybe we can have that info show up only when the joker is clicked/selected?

It could act similarly to how the double sidded button is handled

[tribal moth]

something something "if in collection slots" (<--- pseudocode)?

[steep flame]

yep!!

[weak sleet]

is there any restrictions on me taking a shot at making a joker for this?
I dont think my art skills are up to the task, but it seems fun
(other than the obvious of trying to pick a joker that dosen't already have art lol-)

[opal plank]

not necessarily

[fervent sierra]

go nuts pal

[weak sleet]

cooleo

[safe sapphire]

This is just a mock-up, but what if this extra window appeared under the Joker description when it is selected? In this state, it would scroll through all viable transformations. For ascensions, it would have a plus in the middle instead with the original joker(s). I know this would require ui work, which would be difficult, but I think this could be a neat way to convey the info.

[opal plank]

you could definitely steal from aikoyori's stuff for this kind of ui

[agile flint]

Guess, who got to touch their pen tablet back , god I miss the feel of free moving the cursor to draw without making my hand feel like it'll snap anytime , anyways, this is my rendition for Marble Joker X, I made the composite layer have "simulated" shadow as to how I feel it'll look in the game because I can't do the "in game" vis, so I have to do some redneck engineering for it

[outer inlet]

transformationS?? PLURAL??

[agile flint]

well, considering crossmod potential, might as well

[fervent sierra]

you can ascend certain crossmod jokers that are already exotic

i could probably word that better

but theres probably a example out there

like sunny joker --> solis --> chamogelastoulios (thats probably not its name)

[agile flint]

8 ball wip

[opal hazel]

This is really good art but I can't tell what the jimbo in the middle is supposed to be other than a distorted long cat

[agile flint]

I intend it to looks like that distorted to make it looks primitive-ish, like ancient ivory carvings , though I can always tune it later if desired

Its like ancient idol statue or smth, ok, now I did that idrk what am gonna do with actual Idol X

[opal hazel]

Grahkon, Making Gifs in this economy? [teaser for Exotic M() ]

-# also how do you add empty pixels theres a dead pixel in the first frame I put to make it the right size for the atlas pls help

[coarse blade]

what's the blank space in the bottom for

[fervent sierra]

oh its peam.....

i kinda forgot M() was a thing

[opal hazel]

all the purple is a placholder (oh and here's the actual sprite without the purple stuff)

[fervent sierra]

big fan of how it switches through variations of m (Dekatria, M and m)

[coarse blade]

oh yeah uhhh what's normal m()

can't find it anywhere

[fervent sierra]

entropy joker i think

[coarse blade]

ohhh

yeah now i see it my bad

[agile flint]

Now add tredecim's M and the one with small cap cursive m ( forgot the name)

[opal hazel]

can't talk for 1 hour now brb

[agile flint]

Rendition for 8ball X (this is a repost because I noticed error on some frames), I make it alternate between the number and eye to reference the name agreed upon for this one

[coarse blade]

maybe make the eye blink?

[agile flint]

I could, but originally thought because it is an eye "ball" it gonna looks weird, I could try to iterate it tomorrow

[opal hazel]

here's the background and border for Exotic M()

(and here's the full joker but probably done wrong)

(yeah I kinda got lazy with not adding tredecim or cursive m, first time doing an animated joker :p)

also all frames aside from the M's are at 10fps (0.1 sec delay) while the non-glitching M's have a delay of 1.6 sec (or 1.5 if that's easier)

[agile flint]

Ok, I made it blink, it looks a bit weird, but its better than what I think of it in my mind

[opal hazel]

Alternate atlas if the first one doesn't work

-# I love it

[agile flint]

Looks 🔥 ngl

[wintry owl]

dekatria reference :D

[glad fable]

Gaudium Litterae (Scrabble Tile): When card is scored, 1/4 chance to create a random negative uncommon or better joker. Jokers created from this card are considered Jolly. (cannot create Exotics)

[grizzled tiger]

I'm kind of surprised that exotic Red Bloon isn't a BAD

or hell, a BFB to keep its red theming

[safe sapphire]

I agree with that assessment. I also think it should be a BAD.

[opal hazel]

what do we think of this (kinda bloated) Exotic M() idea: "When a Non-Jolly Card is used, Create a Jolly Code Card and a Double M tag. Jolly Cards give +1 Consumable slot each."

idk it producing 3 things at once might be a bit- wait this idea produces 3 things, like the amount of M's it shuffles through oh I'm such a genius -much for one exotic, but what do you guys think?

[opal plank]

remove the a before bad and this is funny for no reason

[coarse blade]

it's giving 'i also think exo red bloon should SUCK ASS'

[opal plank]

I agree with that assessment. I also think it should be BAD.

ASS, even.

[coarse blade]

fuck red bloon

all my homies hate red bloon

[opal plank]

it’s good early game when you have open joker slots

but after like ante 3 it’s useless

[coarse blade]

trueing

[opal hazel]

Drew like a dark, fucked up version of the Exotic M() haha. Just a glimpse into my dark . A full stare into my twisted would make most simply go Imao

-# this is just for fun

[steep flame]

my idea was a moab

this is better though

[opal hazel]

maybe there could be multiple moab class balloons on the joker and a BAD is center stage

[steep flame]

i really wanted to keep the bloons theming for the exotic

so I kinda rushed to take the spot

[peak escarp]

Command W (01010111)

[coarse blade]

woah twisted pack entropy reference

[safe sapphire]

So many Jokers, so little time

[opal plank]

real...

[sinful pivot]

w for wumbo tbh

[coarse blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHTt69_uBps

fortunae risus spotted

[weak sleet]

welp, I've taken my shot at a exotic Chaos the Clown.
imo it dosent exactly feel "exotic" but I'm still happy with it
t'was ultimately just for fun anyway :p

[safe sapphire]

I like it! It gives me Beetlejuice vibes! Apologies if this is asking too much, but would it be possible to double the frames on that animation?

[weak sleet]

oh, wow, really?
I mean yeah I can absolutely do that, I would just like to clarify that you mean it having 8 frames so it looks 'smoother', before I do something I shouldin't

[safe sapphire]

Yes, that is what I meant. In my mind, it fits the idea of an exotic as chaos weilding some other-worldly power totally fits with the mystical feel exotics are suppose to have,

[weak sleet]

sick, thanks. I will work on adding those extra frames!

[agile flint]

Rendition for Dusk X (Crepusculum a.k.a. Twilight) I have an idea coming from the name to make a rendition of "twilight zone" from an eclipse event viewed from space, else is just a sci-fi flair etc etc

[opal hazel]

I think this might also be the first 3-layer animation for the mod so props to you tatteredlurker!

[agile flint]

My first one probably demicolon x iirc, but I'm kinda forgot

[steep flame]

~~thank god, i needed a reference for how 3 layer animation was implemented for my mod 😭 ~~

anyways this is peak

i love the idea

[agile flint]

Rendition for Blackboard X which refers ancient stone tablet, the stone texture have been really fun to do with bunch of custom brushes I made

[opal hazel]

this is pretty peak but the center joker blends in with the BG a lot (same with the runes), maybe you could make them a bit brighter for some visual clarity?

[celest wraith]

vro might be pregnant
because damn tattered is delivering every single time

[agile flint]

my actual concern actually, I, to start want to color it gold or ivory referencing the carving to stone usually colored bright, but I thought, "its kinda weird to have engraving floating" so I have to scrap bright color, but the color is so blended in, so I had to put sheen animation on the bg to separate it, in my head in game render would suffice to differ it just from layering depth alignment, but I'll try make another variation to see if it gonna looks more discernable

Second variation (using futhark might just be slight astronomica reference)

[gleaming herald]

please tell me there will be a steammodded version

[opal hazel]

there probably will be at some point but idk when, maybe ask Mariofan when he's on?

[safe sapphire]

Sorry, I think I am a bit confused. I believe we are already using steam modded. Are you talking about a standalone version?

[gleaming herald]

ye

wait

there already is a steam modded version?

[opal plank]

what are you talking about exactly?

ascensio (and a whole lot of other mods) already use steamodded

there is no dedicated "steamodded" version as far as i'm aware

[gleaming herald]

oh

[zinc lodge]

tried actually doing something with this

(if i ever release the mod i put this in it will not contain this btw)

[agile flint]

Yoo, someone actually went on reviving it , wish I could put more effort to the sprite, I was abt to ask why it looks so blue until I saw the foil

[zinc lodge]

lmao

[agile flint]

We're have been on talk once on resurrecting it here in ascensio but, it such an old talk, can say it also went cold along the way

[zinc lodge]

:(
i think non verisimile is a really cool idea
coding it is gonna be a pain since i have to account for things like editions and enhancements, the banana sticker, gamba tag, a bunch of boss blinds, etc.

also doesn't have any animation code currently

[agile flint]

Yeah, I have no speck of an idea how to code, but I can see that'll be hell to do too

I once did Pascal at midschooler, but not even that have any trace left in my head

[zinc lodge]

also the foil is there because i tested with a wheel of fortune

definitely need to decrease the scaling a bit though

[karmic bough]

me killing my cavendish for +^200 mult

[opal hazel]

wait don't value modifiers affect probabilities this could get way funnier

[weak sleet]

gave it a shot
how's this?

[river fjord]

im in the kitchen rn

[ebon minnow]

Hey that's me

[opal hazel]

are you wing gaster the royal scientist? (real?)

[river fjord]

big version just so yall can see it a bit better

[ebon minnow]

No I'm evil superb

M ❌
W :correct_symbol:

[opal plank]

woah peak dropped

[safe sapphire]

This is wonderful!

[weak sleet]

Cooleo!

[fervent sierra]

Sum (body once told me)

was considering against posting this because i thought it looked lazy but eh i already made it so might as well

almost forgot to post the layers

[safe sapphire]

Thanks for this!

[fervent sierra]

np

[agile flint]

WIP for Constellation X

[blissful finch]

Ima do the delayed gratifitaion one

Looks like dna

[tribal moth]

i should have clarified this sooner, but i did trace over the original logo to draw the staff; i still had to take some liberties with a couple of details considering the smaller scale of the sprite

[opal plank]

yea yea

[river fjord]

solar flare??

[river sluice]

I love how ascensio has literally ascended past cryptid in terms of exotic art

we got the most beautiful cards ever

[agile flint]

I need to learn to not do smth way too extra when it gonna get covered later on , anyways, rendition for Constellation X, inspired and derived from unexian's design of Gemini since the name constellation remind me of zodiacs, and some ascension's gonna have zodiac theming, so might as well create one of them, though this one is not specific one but trying to have all the symbol in one art (which is hard to fit in with limited space)

[tribal moth]

Gonna submit the Ace of Game sprites before I get taken away into a dense forest never to be seen again go on vacation

OH YEAH I also had an idea for TEFD XMult Joker X sprite; basically you know the game intro animation where all the cards get sucked into the middle of the screen

[coarse blade]

hey gang

bit of a problem

how the hell are we gonna handle 2 rubys lol

[karmic bough]

Rubies

[coarse blade]

true

[agile flint]

Wip for Throwback X

[river fjord]

goat

[river fjord]

call the 2nd one evil ruby

[worn loom]

heres my suggestion

instead of making them be based on my characters just make them based on the second part of the title

so the first one can just be based on homestucks hope aspect and the second one uhh

i can come up with an effect eventually

alternative idea

make them descend into the same joker

when that joker ascends pick one randomly

the only issue is that there might be other zenith jokers that arent myself/my characters in the future

[peak escarp]

:)

[coarse blade]

hey if you're in

where's cass

[peak escarp]

Oh, I'm not in.

I would like to see Cass in the mod, though!

[worn loom]

i can probably add both of them

i dont want to go too crazy with it though

i dont want to set a precedent for submissions in the mod

but id like to recognise a few people

[coarse blade]

obv not

lest you resseruct polterworx-like nepotism and self insert overload

[worn loom]

i actually might remove the dreamweaver one and make the lord of hope one have that effect instead tbh

1 billion mult is interesting but it fits with the lore less

i made up my mind i think i will do this

the descension now probably needs a new effect

but thats fine

heres my idea

Ruby - Legendary
This joker gains X0.25 Mult whenever a spectral or code card is used
Whenever a blind/boss blind is defeated generated a random spectral/code pack

simple enough

[peak escarp]

SLIPSTREAM, HEIR(?) OF TIME - [Zenith] - Maybe makes a negative rare consumable every round, and makes consumables in your possession give ^^2 mult. Will also silently judge your inner character as you play.

[worn loom]

peak

[peak escarp]

aaaoogaoag.

[wintry owl]

i am quite fond of this

[worn kindle]

the voices are telling me to do stuff for this so im gonna art

blur joker is gonna be arted to the best of my mouse drawing ability

[coarse blade]

any ideas for the mortal form or

[peak escarp]

LO - [Legendary] - creates a non-joker (anything if you have parakmi) drawn by Lil. Mr. Slipstream every round.
In all seriousness, It probably makes omen and spectral cards give X2.5 mult and creates an omen and spectral at the start of every boss blind.

[worn kindle]

i forgot that aseprite is on steam and got scared when i fatfingered f12

uhh anyways bg first bit also looking at some of yalls stuff, why must my art style be so simple, color wise?

also in bottom left is my mandatory hidden loss

PROGRESS

the more vibrant ones are on 2nd layer

[coarse blade]

hell yeah

now you're cooking

[tribal moth]

i was gonna say "to complement that, the None XMult Joker X sprite could have a black hole in place of nothing" but then why is the white hole in TEFD XMult X the one with objects falling into it

[worn kindle]

not sure if i should make the sapphire be more resemblant of a joker or an acutal gemstone

im leaning towards gem

[tribal moth]

Maybe make it an actual gemstone, since Exotics usually lack a Joker caricature

[worn kindle]

yeah, fair

[tribal moth]

actually the none xmult joker has this transparent cracks effect going on, which i think is pretty cool; i put it on the xmult X template and it works pretty well, and i think it's well enough for the X joker

maybe more could be done? If anyone wants to expand on it, here's the sprite for that Joker

[worn kindle]

holy shit this is awesome

gonna add some corners

[tribal moth]

that's looking pretty cool so far

Is it okay if I give a suggestion?

[agile flint]

Animate the lightning fx (/j)

[tribal moth]

tattered pls we dot no animate every joker in thsi mod /j

[worn kindle]

unless its alr fixed, go ahead

[coarse blade]

this is for blue joker yeah

[tribal moth]

I was thinking that for the center subject, you could add some highlights to make the thing like shine a bit more

i.e. close-to-white blue

[worn kindle]

okiee

[worn kindle]

iun same layer or bg

[tribal moth]

i'm taking about something like this (using red as an example of where the highlights might go)

[worn kindle]

ooh. gonna make it a more minty teal for color variety

[agile flint]

easiest way to do it probably duplicate the layer replace the specific color, and erase unnecessary part :)

[worn kindle]

boom its peak

any other suggestions? if not, i wil finalize some of the bg colors, and be a silly gooebir\

[tribal moth]

oh hell yeah

[worn kindle]

and also gotta move my loss because of the sstupid bottom left corner

done. its now on the topleft mg rock. here is sprite sheet n lil thing. thank you voices for tempting me to make peak

uhm

the voices are not calmed

time to code

wait nvm the effects not approved

uhhhh

here is the current effect

suggested by hssr

[coarse blade]

hologram synergy

[coarse blade]

wow that guy fucking sucks

[worn kindle]

i feel like it could take an approach similar to inanis and make it gain at end of round, and the cards increas the per card effect

just a thinkle

[worn kindle]

using the base code from drivers, idk if this will work (which it likely wont but im just fumbling around in vsc because of bordeom)

[worn kindle]

okay for some reason there isnt a global value for xchips modifier so idk whar to do. uuh.... help me

\

[nocturne ridge]

Lua is case sensitive.

You put g instead of G

[worn kindle]

oh

this keeps happening. line 21 is the nested lenient_bignum s

[nocturne ridge]

x_chips_mod doesn't exist.

[worn kindle]

then how do i modify xchips

if i cant im gonna be angery

[nocturne ridge]

card.ability.extra.x_chips_mod?

[worn kindle]

the effect i was going for is when a card is added, make the per card xchips go up by 0.1

ohhhh

[nocturne ridge]

Also you don't have to count manually you can just use #G.deck.cards

[worn kindle]

like card_count = #G.deck.cards?

[nocturne ridge]

No, you would replace where you are using card_count with #G.deck.cards

[worn kindle]

oh

so G.deck.cards = #G.deck.cards or flipped?

[nocturne ridge]

No, I mean #G.deck.cards * card.ability.extra.x_chips_mod instead of card_count * x_chips_mod

[worn kindle]

tyty

it crashes when viewed in not the game

im just gonna ifelse it out

nvm how do i name it not crash

make*

its crashing when brought up in the collection outside of a round

[worn kindle]

that and for some reason in localization when i try to show #2# it returns nil

uhm just compiling issues.

1. crashes when deck isnt loaded (likely easy to fix idk how tho)
2. the x_chips_mod isnt showing up in the desc. only returns as nil.
3. still needs to be coded so that the xchips/card goes up by 0.1 per added card (help me someone)

any help appreciated

here is the lua file as i have it, its mostly done just needs the kinks sorted out.

[nocturne ridge]

You should remove context.blueprint or from if context.blueprint or context.forcetrigger then

[worn kindle]

okie

i didnt test that, i assume thats for clutter's sake?

[nocturne ridge]

No, it's because if a blueprint is used to copy it, the blueprint will trigger in every context.

[worn kindle]

okay. ty. any idea on how to do any of the opther things i listed?

[nocturne ridge]

if G.deck then, What does the description look like?,

if context.playing_card_added then
    card.ability.extra.x_chips = card.ability.extra.x_chips + card.ability.extra.x_chips_mod
end

[worn kindle]

its a placeholder description, here it is

"uuhhmm fuck oh shit uhhhmmmm",
"for each.. each {C:attention}card{} in yr deck rn.. do uhh..",
"{X:chips,C:white}X#2#{} chips i guess,,,",
"yeah... its currently {X:chips,C:white}X#1#{}"

also thanks

[nocturne ridge]

You're asking for #2# but you aren't providing it.

[worn kindle]

and the if G.deck then is in the loc_vars?

but shouldnt #2# be xchipsmod?

[nocturne ridge]

No, you would do * G.deck and #G.deck.cards or 1

[nocturne ridge]

No.

[worn kindle]

im confused

and how do i get #2#

[nocturne ridge]

You would put multiple things in vars

[worn kindle]

do i need the nested lenient bignums?

@nocturne ridge can we just go in vc it feels faster than this

and less cluttered

fair point.

[nocturne ridge]

Yes.

[velvet widget]

i return from my slumber

(i must consume art)

[worn kindle]

and i am making peak (sloppily)

[worn kindle]

bump

blue joker x art

[velvet widget]

i've eated all the arts

great work

[worn kindle]

im doingng to coad

[velvet widget]

you guys are all foated

[worn kindle]

im gonna credit you in the code crediting, i could not do this without you.

nvm

[agile flint]

Ok this take me like 10+ hrs to figure out from the concepting to the finish, good god I dont realize it takes me that long , anyways, rendition for Throwback X, Capitalchirp put a suggestion of art direction of referencing breaking through dimension and time and also Back to The Future movie and I think it's good idea to pitch, so here we go (and yes that is Jimbo riding the hoverboard)

[safe sapphire]

Amazing!

@opal hazel I think I might have misunderstood your revision. Is this what you meant?

[peak escarp]

(Khm.)

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD

[worn kindle]

why

line 20 is the playing card added if statement

[peak escarp]

I was also thinking of having the border spin around like the chip in the finity spectral, but that seems a bit much.

[nocturne ridge]

For the credits I think you can put them like ```lua
code = {
"hasu <3",
"Somethingcom515"
}

But the problem is you're trying to put an if in a table.

The if would go in calculate

[worn kindle]

ohhhh tyty

what is the thing for the upgrade message

@nocturne ridge

[nocturne ridge]

localize("k_upgrade_ex")

[steep flame]

woah

[steep flame]

holy fuck hyperop ascension power

[nocturne ridge]

Is the if in calculate?

[worn kindle]

yes

[nocturne ridge]

Have you tried installing the Lua extension?

[worn kindle]

in vsc?

[nocturne ridge]

Yes.

[worn kindle]

i think?

[nocturne ridge]

Then it should show red lines around the errors.

[coarse blade]

impossibly kino⁉️

[worn kindle]

not showing any

[coarse blade]

one suggestion though

could you reskin jimbo to have the throwback pallette

[nocturne ridge]

Which Lua extension do you have?

[worn kindle]

the first one when searching lua

also it loaded

so i think its just working

[agile flint]

I could, but that have to do later because I havent had sleep yet and its alr 5 am

[worn kindle]

also how do i stop it from crashing when there isnt a deck loaded (menu collection)

[coarse blade]

ahhhh my bad

get some rest

you deserve it

[nocturne ridge]

You would put G.deck and #G.deck.cards or 1 instead of #G.deck.cards in loc_vars

[worn kindle]

so the whole thing would be G.deck and #G.deck.cards or 1 * card.ability.extra.x_chips_mod

[nocturne ridge]

Yes.

[worn kindle]

works! tysm

supposed to be 5.2

this is the value it takes it from

[coarse blade]

just divide by 10

[worn kindle]

lenient_bignum(lenient_bignum(card.ability.extra.x_chips) + (G.deck and #G.deck.cards or 1 * card.ability.extra.x_chips_mod) )

i did

the last value is 0.1

and its still 52

uhm

fixed. it took the or as (or 1 * 0.1) and it chose the better one. parenthases shifting fixed it,

just finishing up some last code fuckery

holy shit its actually done i just gotta make the description not be a pladceholder

how do i pull request

or waity

[nocturne ridge]

You fork the repository, make the changes then click New pull request.

[worn kindle]

kk

[safe sapphire]

Added the Apotheosis omen card and Sunny Joker's Entropic: Iliakos to the Github! Ensure you download the latest entropy build directly from the repository, as it relies on a feature that isn't currently included in a release.

Also, this is why I was taking about GUIs earlier

[peak escarp]

AAHHHHHHH CHECKING IT OUT

[worn kindle]

i dont know how to move files KASJYDHGSDFJG

[safe sapphire]

Are you on github.dev?

[worn kindle]

oh

[safe sapphire]

I see the pull request. I can take it now and add the missing elements if you are fine with that

[iron cipher]

holy peak

[worn kindle]

the branch is ready gamers

[peak escarp]

Thank you!! :'>

[safe sapphire]

A typical Joker addition in Ascensio usually changes / adds 6 files:
New or updated atlas in 1x
New or updated atlas in 2x
Joker file in items
Updated localization file
Include Joker in the loader
Include joker in ascensioable list in main lua

[worn kindle]

oh damn i forgot some things

[safe sapphire]

I'll fix it, no worries

[worn kindle]

tyty

im happie my peak is in the game

as soon as the branch updated with the things i (forgor) i am gonna download that so fast

also, fixed sumn that was bugging me in this. there were some missing pixels. fixed them here.

[safe sapphire]

It seems your localization file only added an extra copy of the midas description. Do you have the actual description by chance?

[worn kindle]

oh shi

j_asc_blue = {
name = "Magnus Sapphirus",
text = {
"{X:chips, C:white}x#2#{} Chips for each remaining {C:attention}card{} in deck.",
"Gains {X:chips, C:white}x#3#{} Chips when a card is",
"added to deck.",
"{C:inactive}(Currently: {}{X:chips, C:white}X#1#{C:inactive} chips)"
}
},

[safe sapphire]

Thanks

[safe sapphire]

Thank you, Hasu, for both your art and code for the Blue Joker exotic! Feel free to check it out on the GitHub now!

[blazing tendon]

this shit is so ass...

[worn kindle]

i have set blue joker as implemented in the doc. lets go, gamers

[peak escarp]

Stake satellite

[coarse blade]

hi magia faba

[worn kindle]

alos the square joker exo doesnt have localization

wait i think thats just my version nvm

[worn kindle]

lies

[peak escarp]

Fixed some holes in the anim

[coarse blade]

wait actually

i feel like the middle bit of the sapphire could be shinier

[agile flint]

Revised throwback x, while I change the color, I decided to also give him his neat google, and he looks cooler now

[coarse blade]

matyr regina tomorrow

and model credit https://free3d.com/3d-model/chess-table-18114.html

[opal hazel]

my revision was to make the operator scaling mutable because I want people's PCs to crash and burn muehehehe but yeah it wasn't a serious revision (especially since decimal operators might happen and that's a big no-no)

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha

[opal hazel]

and besides, the current effect is more in line with Dekatria

[safe sapphire]

One thing I want to add is a card that temporarily turns a card you have to its exotic form for like 3 rounds. What card type should it be?

[opal hazel]

I'd say either a code card or (another) spectral card, tho I do have a third (bad) idea that would then imply the creation of several hundred more consumables in the form of ascended consumables (perhaps this could be ascended //Multiply if this idea takes form for soome reason)

[safe sapphire]

Wait, ascended consumables? You mean basically perishable exotics that can be gotten from packs or the store?

[opal hazel]

my idea was more so that consumables can have ascension trigger on them to create exotic-tier versions of themselves, a bit like PWX's Omega consumables but with slightly more varied effects, like for example, an ascended version of empress would be "Convert 4 selected cards into Red Seal Mult cards, and they gain ^^1.04 Bonus Mult"

after using ascension to create one, they could be found in the store very rarely

(or from booster packs n stuff, maybe they also get generated by some tags or actual exotics?)

[safe sapphire]

I see. That definitely seems super ambitious, especially with the cross mod stuff we are doing. Definetly something that would need to come after most jokers have been implemented.

[opal hazel]

I agree, the main focus of this mod should always be primarily on the exotic≥ jokers. I think if a tab on the table does gets opened for ascended consumables though, it should be limited to only vanilla consumables so the scale doesn't become impossible to manage. it's still 42 cards but at least the workload won't be incredibly large when that point is reached.

[opal hazel]

also @safe sapphire I think this message should be unpinned now seeing as almanac is gone 4ever

-# the msg isn't invalid but no point in having it pinned after the fact

[worn kindle]

hey, blue joker blueprint compat doesnt work

it doesnt triger

[worn kindle]

and also some other issues with my shitcode

[safe sapphire]

I think I spotted the blueprint issue. Will upload a fix soon

[velvet widget]

Polterworx is gone forever?

[worn kindle]

another issue, scalae doesnt work on it\

so thats sucks because it would be busted

wait..

yeah its not scaling

[tribal moth]

P much

[velvet widget]

i've been away for too long then i've heard no wind of it 😔

[opal hazel]

yeah first Jen melted down then his PC melted down and then we all melted down (no but on a serious note Jen is actually through with Polterworx and nuked everything, all the Polterworx channels and downloads are gone besides a single channel for talking about Balatro (and by extension Polterworx), and asking for distributing a copy of PWX on the server is banned. All the server's being used for now officially is Jen's Gmod projects.)

[spring grove]

I unpinned it

mariofan cant

[opal hazel]

ty lexicon

[spring grove]

don't call me that

[opal hazel]

apologies for association with the Br*'ish people

-# i'm bri'ish so I also deserve obliteration tbh

[velvet widget]

interesting

[river fjord]

whats this thing in the assets meant to be

[agile flint]

Supposedly sprite for the 4 finger x, though idk why it alr there, afaik the joker isnt even implemented yet 🤔

[dense escarp]

Idea: Priora Tromocratias (Prior Terrorisms) (Exotic version of "bobm" from Myst's Jokers)
The art could be a Toyota Prius mixed with a Toyota Terrorist Truck
Effect: Increase every operator by 1 after 300 seconds

[mental veldt]

All of them, or just the visible ones?

[peak escarp]

I can't stop with the weird horror references, can I?

[tribal moth]

house of leaves mentioned ‼️‼️‼️‼️ what
_ _
_ _

[zinc lodge]

i still have a hold on it at the library and have been waiting for eons

[river fjord]

heres Bestia Tenebrarum (nyctophobia exotic)

[outer inlet]

are we still doing ascensioposting

[river fjord]

heres the big version too

[river fjord]

i feel like making an entropic now ngl

[river fjord]

entropic abstract alert! entropic abstract alert!

[peak escarp]

Oh that's actually pretty nice.

[river fjord]

tried my best to make it seem like its made up of different parts of jokers/cards pretty much

(the face on the left from jimbo, theres an m there too, bits of jester hats sorta fused in with it, card sticking out of its face too)

[silent mirage]

photograph [pictum hominis]
this joker gains ^^0.01 Mult for every score face card

cavendish [ariera deorum]
gives ^1.25 mult. fixed 1 in 4 chance to create a negative copy of itself at the end of the round.

ancient joker [Ioculator Antiquus]
Each played card with [suit] gives ^1.5 Mult when scored, suit changes at end of round

[opal hazel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CzgAkELf1Jv1bqPsgVdEh_bjD4VXXSh03VPYKUxAJ0E/edit make sure to add these as comments to the currently proposed joker effects so these effects aren't lost! (if they're not already agreed upon)

[silent mirage]

ceremonial joker [Pugio Sacrificii]
when blind is selected, create a duplicate of the joker/card on the left, then destroy the joker (not the duplicated one), then gains 1/50 of it's sell value as ^^x

[silent mirage]

thanks g

oh good can i submit a duplicate?

i see that some joker already has idea

[opal hazel]

also @safe sapphire this isn't something to focus on right now, but currently Iliakos's hand count is immutable, meaning you can only scale at 1 operator at a time. I was thinking that maybe it could function like Dekatria where reducing the hand count below 1 allows you to scale the operator multiple times in one go (but the number of ascended hands increases to compensate), I kinda thought this was the case until I tested it idk. (but again, this is not a priority, just something to think about. I won't be responding since I'm going to sleep, gn)

[silent mirage]

gah, how do i propose a name change?

[coarse blade]

just comment on it

[silent mirage]

thx

[safe sapphire]

Its a neat idea. Like you said, not a priority at the moment

[blazing tendon]

hello mario

[plucky elbow]

where can i find a download to this mod? it looks amazing

[silent mirage]

github

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio

press the green code button and then press download zip

[plucky elbow]

thx

[mental veldt]

Are Exotics in Greek or Latin?

Or both?

[safe sapphire]

Exotics are latin. Entropics are greek

[mental veldt]

Ah.

[silent mirage]

air fryer

[fervent sierra]

is optimus gonna use the old primus sprite like accomplice 🤔

[safe sapphire]

Yes

[agile flint]

Gotta be kinda hard to rewire your brain the old primus sprite is not exotic anymore because how long its there alr /j

[silent mirage]

Dimensio Quattuor status isn't updated

[river fjord]

new sprite for Aynchonefsi, nothing much rlly changed, just fixed up the borders a bit and added a few details here and there

[gleaming herald]

will his mod be on the mod manager?

[safe sapphire]

Eventually, I think that would be a good idea. When we get to the point where we have at least 1/5th of the Jokers with an ascended form, I would be fine with releasing it in a more official capacity.

[karmic bough]

strange, rex midas isnt giving the exponential mult

[safe sapphire]

Odd, will look into it

[nocturne ridge]

The problem is still that it is Emult instead of emult

[opal plank]

seeing that this hasn't been fixed yet, i'll just do it now

[safe sapphire]

Apologize for the abscence. Been working on an important paper and have had difficulty balancing it and everything else. Will be back on Friday.

[opal hazel]

Reposting an important note for the animated jokers in Ascensio ^^

[worn loom]

why isnt xekanos here

weird

it wouldnt even let me add it

[worn kindle]

wait guys im cooking

[opal hazel]

fixed it, I think the problem was it had a png of the same name due formerly not being animated

[tribal moth]

Huh, you should be able to upload PNGs and GIFs with the same file name (excluding file extension)

[worn kindle]

how the hell do i draw flowers

i hate art block

yeah art block sucks so here is what i have

[safe sapphire]

An update on things. I have a deck made that acts like the wormhole deck but gives you an ascernsion card instead of a random exotic. The current issue is that there are not enough jokers to easily chose one at the start of the run to ascend. Should I add it to the github in this state or should I wait to we have more ascensions made?

I am also considering an alternative deck idea to instead act like the glowing deck, where after x amount of boss blind completions a random viable joker is ascended.

[opal hazel]

Pathfinder deck - Start with a random ascenndable joker, ascend a jokerr evvery 3 boss (idk juss a quick sketch)

[worn kindle]

this would get less and less of an issue as we get more jokers in the game. maybe you can add it to the thing, and have a little bit of inactive text saying that it will get better as we make more progress or sumn

also, i got code done for mortal circulus! all it needs now is the art (i fixed that typo btw dont worry)

[peak escarp]

TOWER DECK (once again only a reference Hssr will get) - Ascends a viable joker every 3 antes.
A doodle based on this idea! Kinda gone a bit weird with the deck art.
(Ask for it and i'll send you the sprite.)

[worn kindle]

the art is just the blue joker art, currently placeholder. here is the file with the code, mostly stolen from the exotic version

[grizzled tiger]

missed opportunity to call it Blueberri Pi

[worn kindle]

hollup

shit someone else can do that im gonna continue making stuff

[grizzled tiger]

also maybe make it xchips to better fit the blue

its a blueberry pie in the exotic because exponential mult/chips uses dark_edition which is a shade of blue

[peak escarp]

A react works, too.

[safe sapphire]

Thanks, I was gonna ask what is the refrence?

[peak escarp]

Slay the Princess. Theres a character named The Tower. And considering there's also a character named The Apotheosis, I thought I'd continue this weird naming scheme.

[safe sapphire]

That makes sense. Havent fully played the full game yet but was a fan of the demo. Very cool!

[peak escarp]

Oh cool! It's fully fledged now, if you were wondering! (On sale, too.)

[worn kindle]

also, i just saw that there was another gemstone (green joker exotic's name is great emerald) and i just had to make another gem. my brain is too silly

some colors need to be changed but it is made

[coarse blade]

try ethereal deck as a name?

[peak escarp]

Sounds a bit too much like spectral.
Resplendent is a word that comes to mind.

[grizzled tiger]

Divine Deck?

[river fjord]

i wanna make a sprite but no motivation

[safe sapphire]

No, no. I think you were onto something

(I may have spent more time then I should have on this)

[hearty adder]

I don't believe it, you guys are implementing pluey

[safe sapphire]

I would need to figure out how, but it would be fun to have basically "shiny" versions of cards the have different text and designs on them that rarely appear in place of their normal versions.

[void tapir]

this is beautiful

[silent mirage]

can you add ascensio to cryptid mod whitelist so we can go crazy

[honest stirrup]

STP MENTION?

[silent mirage]

Ascended Fibonacci:
Gains it's previous ^Mult value at the end of turn
Starts at ^1 Mult.

[grizzled tiger]

Okay that's actually really creative

it itself is making the fibonacci sequence

[fervent sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-spongebob-plankton-true-truth-gif-5372815280279127843

[safe sapphire]

I think we need to clarify something. When you say end of turn, do you mean after each hand played, or after each blind cleared? If its the former, that could work balance wise if it rests after each round. If the latter, we would need to limit it to each boss blind clear I feel. Also, this effect would probably work best for webonacci given the shared gaining nature. Maybe we do it per hand and it increases per fibonnaci value played?

[silent mirage]

Hmmm make sense

[silent mirage]

I pretty much implemented it as +mult for my own mod

[silent mirage]

Yeah let's go with the latter and only increases every ante cleared

[safe sapphire]

If this is based on a joker from your own mod, shouldnt be the exotic for that Joker then?

[silent mirage]

Eh, just make it for the original Fibonacci

My mod's pretty unfunny anyway

(if it isn't straight up bad)

Stay tuned for more idiotic idea from yours truly

[tribal moth]

It should be noted (especially since the idea involves expMult) that the fibonacci sequence increases with exponential growth

[silent mirage]

Hmmm what about Xmult and scales at the end of blind

[safe sapphire]

Ideally, the fibonacci Joker exotic would still be related to card scoring. I personally think an Xmult fibonacci that increases the value based on the sequence per fibonacci card played each hand would be best approach to the Joker.

[grizzled tiger]

Gains previous XMult when fibonacci numbers scored

[silent mirage]

I agree
Sequentia could do as a name

In Latin it means sequence

This is a subtle nod to the fact that it produces a sequence

Jk it's bad

[safe sapphire]

I like this concept! I think I might get on this right now

[silent mirage]

SMODS.Joker({
    key = "fibbonacci_joker",
    loc_txt = {
        name = "Fibonacci Joker",
        text = {
            "At the {C:attention}end of round{},",
            "Gains it's previous {C:mult,E:1}+Mult{} value.",
            "{C:inactive}(Currently {C:mult}+#1#{} {C:inactive}Mult){}",
            "{C:inactive}(Previously {C:mult}+#2#{} {C:inactive}Mult){}",
        },
    },
    atlas = "jkr",

    pos = { x = 1, y = 0 },
    config = {
        extra = {
            cur = 1,
            prev = 0,
        },
    },

    loc_vars = function(_, _, card) return { vars = { card.ability.extra.cur, card.ability.extra.prev } } end,
    cost = 16,
    rarity = "cry_epic",

    blueprint_compat = true,
    eternal_compat = true,
    perishable_compat = true,

    calculate = function(_, card, context)
        if context.end_of_round and context.main_eval then
            local cur = card.ability.extra.cur
            card.ability.extra.cur = card.ability.extra.cur + card.ability.extra.prev
            card.ability.extra.prev = cur
        end

        if context.joker_main then return { mult = card.ability.extra.cur, message = "+" .. tostring(card.ability.extra.cur) } end
    end,
})

Use my slop

I suppose a little modification would be good to go

[safe sapphire]

Thanks! Also, please dont degrade yourself like that. We all start somewhere. It is better to try and fail then never try at all as they say.

[grizzled tiger]

what about this,,

[silent mirage]

Yeah I'm currently working on my first mod which borrows some ideas from the former polterworx mod but I'm still a bit afraid of lovely patching, due to the fact that I'm a beginner

[silent mirage]

This gets out of hand quite quickly tho

[brisk violet]

Quick question: what jokers do not have ideas yet

[opal plank]

see pins

[brisk violet]

A

[coarse blade]

make sure not to vandalize

use comments when suggesting ideas

[coarse blade]

it's an exotic joker honey
they're meant to be busted

[wooden mulch]

This mod is so peak

Especially art

[safe sapphire]

Working on fib exotic, right now I got it so it follows the fib sequence as mentioned. This means, however, that with 5 scored cards of fib ranks, each card gives X1, X2, X3, X5, X8 mult respectively. This results, for example, in a hand with a base mult of 4 multiplying up to a total of 960. I think it is fine the way it is, as it gets way more powerful as soon as you get retrigger jokers or more card selection to really increase it. What are your thoughts?

[opal hazel]

While I don't think all exotics need to have the same power level, this card does get (almost) powercrept by Iterum in my opinion, since it Gets to X1024 from the get-go and procs retrigger bonuses. the only thing I think needs changing about Sequentia is it resetting every round instead of every hand (or every 2 hands if that's too powerful) ...though then again I suck ass at balancing (Sine Fine Venari can give like a total of X40+ Mult to all[-1] scored cards in one turn 😭 ) .

Also, as always, the art is peak 🔥

[safe sapphire]

Art by missingnumber

[river fjord]

might make a new sprite soon, just dunno what joker to do it for

[safe sapphire]

That's fair, by default Sequntia produces a total of 240 mult. At just 7 card triggers, however, sequentia will out perform it mult-wise as Sequentia would be at 65,520 mult while iterum would be at 16,384.

Should we start at 2 then? That way 5 cards would produce X2. X3, X5, X8, X13 which would be 3,120?

I think a X3 advantage on iterum would be a little much

Given how it doesnt give any benefit to other jokers unlike iterum, I think it would be fair?

[safe sapphire]

I think I am going to do this: I am having a bit of trouble finding a way to easily express the concept of starting at 2 in the sequence, as I want this joker to remain mutable. As a result, I think I will keep it in the first form mentioned and increase it after people mess with it a bit.

[silent mirage]

Personally I still prefer scaling

But I honestly don't understand balanced design anymore

[safe sapphire]

The main reason I am avoiding it is that not only do we already have alot of scaling exotics, but the weebonaci probably have scaling anyway so I am doing my best at the moment to differentiate it.

[silent mirage]

Average Cryptid player syndrome I'm afraid

Another idea but what if we can ascend consumables

Hmmm I should try this in my mod

Toodles!

[fervent sierra]

i think omegalife's fibonacci exotic idea would be cool for like an entropic version

[silent mirage]

Allilouchia

Same meaning

Ascended Baseball Card:
All jokers give +mult, Xmult, and ^mult based on their rarity.

[brisk violet]

Insatiable Dagger --> Fames Insatiabilis

Meaning: Insatiable Hunger

Effect: Banish all jokers to the right of this joker, 5% of their sell value in ^Value to all joker to the left of this one.

[safe sapphire]

@blazing tendon Looking at your Fibonacci art, the back layer isn't used that much. Would it be fine if I used this modification to help it pop?

[blazing tendon]

you can do whatever

[safe sapphire]

Thanks. I dont want to mess with another artist's work if they have a problem with it.

[safe sapphire]

Added Fibonacci's Exotic: Proportio Aurea to the Github! Also fixed an issue with Blue Joker's exotic. Please test Proportio out and let me know what you think. While it is a bit difficult early on with no supporting Jokers, it really does numbers once you have a few retrigger or stat increasing Jokers.

[safe sapphire]

Example of it's use in optimal conditions

[silent mirage]

Update cryptid bro

Iirc it's aleph now

[safe sapphire]

I'm on the latest release. As well, I don't want to test things with additions that aren't finalized.

[blazing tendon]

aleph is from entropy isnt it

[safe sapphire]

I believe. It did show up when I had it enabled

[blazing tendon]

oh mario did you get my (low quality and honestly pretty much contrived) magia faba thingy

[silent mirage]

Hmmm

Didn't know

Sorry

:c

[safe sapphire]

I did see it. Looks neat!

[blazing tendon]

aight

[silent mirage]

Stuntman Ascended - Corpus Duplex / Body Double

+2 hand size
At the end of the shop, gains xchips chased on hand size.
At the end of round, gains +1 hand size

I'm on phone rn so I don't wanna go to the gdoc

Burnt Joker ascended - cineres ardentes / blazing cinder

X2 level of every hand played.

[errant gust]

as the one who made the ascended effect, this is very cool and i dont care that you overwrote my original name for this lol

[peak escarp]

Oh thanks. (Sorry for not asking! (And sorry, which one?))

[errant gust]

i think i did both of them actually

do you like my effects

[peak escarp]

I mean like, which name do you recognize, if any?

[errant gust]

oh the house of leaves reference was cute

dunno abt the other one

[peak escarp]

Yeah the other one's a Magnus Archives reference, where a panopticon's an important location / ritual artifact.

[errant gust]

ah

[silent mirage]

@safe sapphire apparently he forgot that the starlight deck thing still needs to have the atlas 😭

[safe sapphire]

I thought I disabled it. Apologies for that.

If you want to fix the version before I can tommorow, just comment out where the deck atlas is defined in the main file.

[safe sapphire]

I believe I fixed the issue

[safe sapphire]

Trying to implement exotic throwback. The version on the doc has factorial mult, which is very cool. It easily becomes overwhelming, though, after a few skips. I know it might seem lame, but what if we kept the factorial but changed it to plus mult?

Actually, nevermind I think it is on par with other exotics. I might be fair since it limits other scaling Joker's growth?

At the moment, it completely outclasses duplicare

Idea, what if we have it also lose mult when a blind is played?

[thin heron]

wouldnt that just make it have only x6 mult

unless you mean like -1 mult from the x(blinds skipped)! formula which in that case yeah thatd probably work

[silent mirage]

X! ~ X^^2

So uhh yeah

[worn loom]

approximations for factorials have the same growth rate as x^x so yeah x^^2

[worn kindle]

idea for eternal flame exo:

flamma perpetua
this joker gains x1 mult when a card is sold, increasing by x0.25 each increase

[coarse blade]

exotic campfire:

[worn kindle]

fuck

[river fjord]

i already put this as a comment on the sheet but
nyctophobia exotic:
Bestia Tenebrarum (beast of darkness)
Add 3 random Dark cards to deck when using a consumable
Dark cards still scale and give xChips even when not held in hand

[worn kindle]

yeah thaus just faster scaling campfire

[safe sapphire]

What if we change the gain to 0.25 like its mortal form, but start at x2 mult?

[safe sapphire]

Another idea: What if the ante increases alongside the mult with each skip? In that case it would be like you are going back to the future

[worn kindle]

oooh

[indigo helm]

i remember you guys were talking about trigger animation for exotic demicolon

is it animated on trigger?

[agile flint]

Uhh, to start the joker isnt implemented yet, so I cant really talk abt how it gonna be executed, but for design standpoint in animation for me personally because I sort of the one who ideates it, it should have an animation from idle to start spinning as the scores begin a.k.a. wind-up animation which should be triggered when the scores proceed (including the first one if it wasnt demicolon x) and same as when the score ends, the animation stops when the final joker score is printed to the screen via a wind-down animation, I scrapped that because I also think the inclusion of talisman's/nopeus animation skip/ speed increase gonna make the animation looks jagged if I include the wind-up animation or just transitioning from idle to spin, and now I make it constantly spinning and just have extra flair when the the score proceed, well, atleast that's what the last iteration of the art is

[tribal moth]

I've considered making cardanim a library mod and then I remembered that the modding ecosystem pretty much has a dependency hell situation, so uh

[indigo helm]

ohhh i see

well, i was about to suggest that it triggers only when outputting the effect, since i also have this

https://gyazo.com/c3009eb84fd89007f4ce4b9b08d76b7a

credit to bepisfever

[agile flint]

it probably would be easy if the anim frame would directly stop or running depending on condition yeah, which current demicolon x art alr have (though its up to Mario on what the trigger condition for both idle and running animation when it gonna implemented),
||the one I have originally envisioned melting my mind quite a bit since, there's quite a scenario if I want to use transitionary animation, like if you spam hand fast the wind-down animation need to instantly transition to wind-up animation again which gonna be jank to animate, moreso to code in my head just by thinking the logic hoops, it could probably easy to do, but am not a coder myself that I can project that in my mind ||

[safe sapphire]

Added Throwback's Exotic: Desiderium to the GitHub! I messed with potential formulas for a bit and settled on this summation one. Once we get acheivments, defiently gonna add one where if you each 88 skips it sets your ante to like -8 or something.

[opal plank]

oh i like this

similar to identity crisis in terms of usig exponential scaling

actually wait identity crisis is 2^n nevermind

tbh i should probably nerf it 😭

[safe sapphire]

That defiently is fast scaling

[opal plank]

i think the most reasonable thing to do with it is have it start at a low value like 0.25

though, it wouldn't decrease your score <x1

[karmic bough]

me when my hand size is the whole deck that identity crisis has no effect:

[safe sapphire]

You thought that was it for tonight? ||WRONG W̵͑͠R̵̐̀Ơ̶̆Ṅ̵͘G̸̍̈ W̴̑̅R̸͛͗O̴NG||. Added Blackboard's Ascension: Tabula Lapidea. I thought about boosting the extra gain to X3 to match its mortal counterpart, but I believe it is currently at Duplicare's level. Might buff later if needed.

[safe sapphire]

Heading to bed, but I will throw this out for people to brainstorm. The current canvas exotic effect is "Retrigger all Jokers once for every Joker to the right of this Joker". This is fine, but I think it needs something extra to distinguish itself from its mortal counterpart. I think duplicating a random-held Joker would be a good way to keep it in line with its blueprint and brainstorm brother. Is there a more effective or updated version of this? Let me know what you think.

[peak escarp]

Retrigger all Jokers once for every Joker to the right of this Joker, Duplicate randomly picked jokers for every rarity above common you have (must have room) ??

[silent mirage]

Constellation Ascended - corpora caelestia

Gains ^0.05 mult for every planet card used. At the end of the shop, creates a negative duplicate of every planet card you have.

[celest night]

thanatos is currently not working for me

[silent mirage]

mario what the heck is this indentation

[silent mirage]

players without overflow/incantation

[nocturne ridge]

It seems to only upgrade when a blueprint is copying it.

[silent mirage]

should i make a pr for ascensio just formatting the entire codebase

[coarse blade]

shorter desc: Gains x1 Mult for all Spades & Clubs held in hand; instead gains x2 Mult per card if all cards are Spades or Clubs.

for clarity

hope this helps

[silent mirage]

I take that Mario has read it

[brisk violet]

Insatiable Dagger-->Avaritia Insatiabilis

Banish all jokers to the right, 1% of sell value in ^Values to all jokers to the left

[silent mirage]

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/15
🙂

request for comments

[silent mirage]

Supernova Ascended - Destructio Stellaris ("Stellar Destruction")
Whenever a hand is played, this Joker gains ^0.1 Mult for each times that hand has been played.

[safe sapphire]

Merged the pull request

[silent mirage]

thanks 🙂

[silent mirage]

oh yeah i used stylua to format this, you'd need luau style and lua52 style

now i can call myself the ascensio janitor guy

[safe sapphire]

For canvas, how about instead of trying to force duplication, we just double retriggers on boss blinds?

[karmic bough]

making a blueprint copy the fibonacci exotic makes it scale twice as fast

why? i dont know

[opal plank]

somebody forgot an ... and not context.blueprint lol

[safe sapphire]

I noticed that. I'm debating if it is an actual issue, though. I think it might be fine as it's not permanently gaining that mult. I think it's similar to any other xmult copying in that it is copying that value listed. I think the main issue is the description on the Joker to communicate that.

It might still be a good idea to make a seperate context for blueprint though

[opal plank]

no no, the issue is that scaling jokers shouldn't be able to be copied like this

think of constellation. if you copy constellation with blueprint, it doesn't scale faster, it only gives the end amount of the card

[zinc lodge]

i fixed a bug like this with zooble a while ago

[silent mirage]

Y'all better remember to use git

Oh yeah apparently git had a rce

https://github.com/git/git/security/advisories/GHSA-vwqx-4fm8-6qc9

[safe sapphire]

Gonna try to fix the fib issue soon. Also, thoughts on this canvas idea?

[tribal moth]

canvas X is a canadite?

[safe sapphire]

No. To avoid confusion on what I ment by "Joker" since I was refering to the default joker, I thought it would be best to include its description in the info queue. As a result, it brought along the fact regular Joker can be ascended

[tribal moth]

Ah

[frail totem]

is it not spelt candidate

[safe sapphire]

Gosh darnit, I thought I made sure to double check that.

[frail totem]

😭

[agile flint]

I honestly still quite surprised its not changed into candidate yet since the first I mention it as a joke, well, I guess I make it as a joke which probably gonna make it sounds vague

[safe sapphire]

I thought you were just poking fun at the fact this game was made by a canadian

[agile flint]

yeah, well I mean, I also don't really know that time, who knows we play a wordplay so to make it sounds different than just a "candidate", thats why I'm kinda hesitant pointing that out directly

Ngl, might keep it as canadite and count how many ppl gonna mention it lol /j

[frail totem]

^n mult where n is the amount of times the misspelling of candidate has been mentioned

[tribal moth]

old membership X fx

[safe sapphire]

This might be a bit much. I think the core idea is fine. I think the only thing is to activate it only after a boss blind or so many antes.

[safe sapphire]

Also, the way the mod is handling caching is seemingly causing problems with other mods. We need to figure out why this is happening.

[peak escarp]

Well, that's a little fammiliar...
(https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Bunco/Running_Joke)

[safe sapphire]

Kind of, but I would say the effects are noticeably different in how you interact with them. I also don't think this exotic effect would get in the way if we were to make one for that Joker.

[nocturne ridge]

What does "Seal cards effects can be triggered during scoring at any time" mean for Seal the Deals exotic?

[grizzled tiger]

sounds like it force-triggers the seals

so purple seal gives a tarot

could be wrong tho

[hollow nymph]

cubic scale?

[silent mirage]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CzgAkELf1Jv1bqPsgVdEh_bjD4VXXSh03VPYKUxAJ0E

oh yeah when are y'all updating this

[silent mirage]

blazing fire

[old drum]

is an ascensio balance check planned next to cryptid's

[agile flint]

It probably gonna happen at some point, but ascensio's focus probably finishing all the vanilla joker ascension first before branching into other stuff (well balancing will happen alongside it if there's a joker that have power that's really gamebreaking), though idk if ascensio have plan to differ every ascended joker power dependent on every cryptid's gameset since we havent talk abt that yet 🤔

[safe sapphire]

Like Tattered said. Right now our current balancing is around madness, which I believe will stay the same. (Correct me if I am wrong). We will, at some point, create moderate and mainline versions, but we need something first to base those off of.

[blazing tendon]

you know it would be great if google docs worked on my ipad without having a stroke

[tribal moth]

maybe try the google sheets app?

google office suite doesn't really work well on mobile browser

[zinc lodge]

madness is very likely being forked off of cryptid and mainline is becoming the default

[safe sapphire]

I see. In that case, we may have to prioritize balancing. I need to see how exotics have changed in mainline and modest

[safe sapphire]

I don't know why madness would be "forked off". That just seems needlessly disruptive to me. I don't understand why it wouldn't just be an option especially because it is in essence the original version of the mod.

[thin heron]

what why

[old drum]

tbh I feel like it kinda taints the goal of the mod with mainline

Though I did like the idea of madness being an easter egg unlock similar to None

[winter bear]

Canadians unite?

[worn loom]

the only tangible difference from mainline and madness other than unlocks is that madness keeps around worse designed things just because they are stronger

i dont see the point of facilitating people playing a worse designed gameset in the main mod just because they really really really like big numbers or something

people who like it just because its old or because it was always like that simply like it for the wrong reason and i dont see any other redeeming qualities that arent kept around in mainline anyway

keeping around bad changes just because theyve been around for a long time and no one thought to change them yet to me just seems like needlessly clinging onto the past

people who are new to the mod dont really need or deserve to experience a worse designed version of the mod just because some people have nostalgia for it

who actually benefits from peoples first impressions of the mod being the current version of equilibrium deck

it definitely doesnt help anyone in the wider modding community or the actual player that much

youll have fun once or maybe youll do the exact same thing for 5 runs and then give it up because if all you want is to get bignumbers its extremely easy to get there and not care about it anymore

i dont really like the reason that what boils down to basically nostalgia is a good enough reason to not do something by itself

its pretty baseless if there arent other arguments supporting it to me

cause you can just be nostalgic about the state of anything before any change and stop anything

if they went through with making madness not auto unlock all which i wanted them to there would be even less distinction between madness and mainline other than a gameset specifically designed to get 0 changes which isnt even true because it already got changes

so its not even the same as it once was

[iron cipher]

I think it'd be way better to just add madness back rather than arguing on the exact same thing again

[worn loom]

whats the point of changing anything if people can give 100 dumb arguments and prevent it

thats dumb

its not better just because you dont want to think about whether its actually better or not

ill argue for 100 years about the same thing over and over if it means a better final product

[old drum]

I have to agree with ruby here tbh

madness feels like its just keeping things strong for the sake of being strong, not for the sake of being fun

[safe sapphire]

I would like to move on and get back to talking about Ascensio in this channel, but I find the line no one thought to change them yet to be disingenuous. People did think about changing them, that's why we have multiple gamemodes to choose from.
I understand the points you made on why you would focus on the mainline. I think you have done a lot of great stuff for the mod thus far. But I think you need to consider Chesterton’s Fence in this scenario. Consider why madness is the way it is, why people play it, and what the mod would lose if it were removed.

[old drum]

yeah I do agree it should stay in some form

I think the whole "adding a triple warning" or "making it an easter egg" thing would work fine for what youre trying to do

like, forking it off is not a bad idea (as it still exists that way) but it might be a little misleading if its not indicated that its a fork ingame?

[peak escarp]

Yeah. While I get un-OPing stuff if it's just op, i feel like we're losing out on a lot of funny business. I like the funny business! (The harder to acquire, the better, maybe? Legendary jokers are already quite difficult to obtain in vanilla.)

[old drum]

I feel like the funny business is still there

plus im mainly working on buffing/reworking a couple of boring things

(brittle candy)

ruby was mainly working on nerfs (deserved ones) and a couple of needed reworks

[worn loom]

legendary jokers i mostly didnt touch tbh waluigi isnt even a nerf its actually probably stronger if you do it right

but yes this is offtopic

i tried to leave in a lot of funny business with the exception of stuff that is like ridiculously easy to pull off aka mostly just pointer duping

most other weird shenanigans are still there

i generally think it should be somewhat difficult to break the game no matter what gameset youre on

i also think it is a little deceptive to say that mainline is replacing madness since the specfic purpose behind mainline has shifted from what it was before

being able to get 4 es in one hand on round one is not something you should be able to do ever on any gameset regardless of how much further the balance changes extend beyond that this isnt really about making the mod not unbalanced so knowing why madness was kept around is irrelevant i know why madness is kept around its kept around so people can play something thats as extreme as possible, which i think is a bad reason to keep it around since its not as extreme as possible and already got changed, its really funny actually because a statistically significant amount of new ideas for jokers were came up with by math directly

i just didnt say that because i didnt think its relevant but people keep questioning if its straying too far from whatever vision there actually is right now so i keep remembering it

the number gets even higher when you add in things inspired by what math and other people said in the very early days of the mod in its forum post

which i went out of my way to look into for this reason

acting like i dont know why madness was kept around is wrong i know why its kept around and its just a bad reasoning

and it weighs everything else down

if gamesets never existed this wouldnt be a problem

[safe sapphire]

Added Canvas's Exotic: Oluem Pictura to the Github! Also, fixed the mentioned issues with Proportio. As well, it now starts at 2x when scoring so it should be more useable early game.

Proportio may be one of the rare times redprint is better than blueprint

[safe sapphire]

Added Banner's Ascension: Conquestum. It was a very simple Joker to implement. From what I can tell from my testing, it is about the same level as Duplicare. The X2 chip bonus on scoring for each discard is really powerful, as with 5 discards, for example, the Joker's xchips get multiplied by 10 for that hand.

[river fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

[safe sapphire]

I think the next thing I'm gonna do is either get the type mult and type chips base designs done, or try and work on the tower deck.

[peak escarp]

Oh, you went with tower? Thought it was a little too on the nose.

[safe sapphire]

You mean with the refrence? It might be, but I don't have a better name ATM for it.

[peak escarp]

I see.

[safe sapphire]

Thinking about it, it might make sense to call it the Pantheon deck.

[peak escarp]

Ooh, sweet.

[safe sapphire]

Actually, we need more mortals, gonna add the Primus mortal now that the new art is in. The current effect is quick and easy, but a bit too similar to fibonacci. Gonna focus on the all cards aspect to help differentiate it.

[safe sapphire]

Does a rare main scoring X3 mult if all played cards are prime numbers sound fair?

[blazing tendon]

would this in theory stack with triplet rhythm

[safe sapphire]

I see. That would be overlap.

But it's not like balatro doesn't already have something similar with scholar and fibonacci. I will just balance around that. Thanks for mentioning it!

[worn kindle]

runner exo name reproposal because im bored: ieiunium (fast)

[safe sapphire]

Added Primus's Mortal Form: Orion Pax to the Github. A very straightforward vanilla esq joker that fills a slightly different niche than fibonacci and webonacci.

Apparently, the Primus is only coded to look out for vanilla ranks that are not primes. This means you can play an abstract card and level up Primus. For consistency's sake, Orion Pax has the same behavior until it gets resolved.

[coarse blade]

x3 mult for a rare is severely underpowered imo

[safe sapphire]

Really? I kinda think it's on the same level as Drivers License, but possibly better at the start. Driver's License requires time to gather enough enhancements to get that X3, but to be fair, from that point onwards it's unconditional. Orion doesn't limit the way you play as much as something like ramen. The only issue it provides is limiting yourself to about half your standard deck. With a bit of deck fixing, this basically becomes a non-issue. I do want to hear your side of this and why you feel its lacking.

[coarse blade]

wait are we balancing this with vanilla

I just feel like x3 mult falls off fast

maybe that's just my endless mode addiction lol

[safe sapphire]

I think I get what you're saying. We should have a madness variant that's like X5 or X7 mult.

I did say we are currently balanced around madness

[coarse blade]

kay cool

[safe sapphire]

Whats the average xmult for a rare cryptid card?

[coarse blade]

hm

somebody should run the numbers

[safe sapphire]

Pizza is x3

Eternal flame doesent really have a cap, but is realistic to get to around x3 by the end of a vanilla esq game

"The" series cards are probably the outlier here

[silent mirage]

Hit the Road Ascension - via vitae (road of life)
thi joker gains ^0.1 mult for every face cards discarded this round
and gains ^0.1 chips for every face cards played this round

smeared joker - nebulosus (blurry)
all cards are wild cards.
Wild cards gives +8, X1.5, and ^1.2 Mult when played.

underwhelming

im going back to bazinga'ing myself

[weak sleet]

I took a shot at a "mortal" Formidiulosus a while ago, I just never posted the sprite. It's... very simple, and I felt like it needed something more, but couldin't come up with anything

[iron cipher]

It's fine, in fact pretty good
sure it's nowhere close to high-end rares strength but it's much better than the low-end ones

[silent mirage]

^^^3 mult would be more befitting for a rare

/j

[iron cipher]

real

[brisk violet]

Jen's Almanac be like /j

[silent mirage]

Sorry but I don't listen from pulchra enjoyers, waai fu supremacy raah

[blazing tendon]

what

[silent mirage]

Big numbers

Hologram Ascended - Imago (Mirage)

Gains ^0.1 mult every time a card is added to the deck. At the end of blind, add a Red Seal Astral Steel King of heart to the deck.

[opal hazel]

~~no that's wrong it should also give you infinite hands ~~

[silent mirage]

infinite hands are weak bro

Blueprint Ascended - Hyacintho Progressus (Progress in Blue)

i sure hope this joker is original

[opal hazel]

mb it should provide infinite hhands thhen increase the scoring operrator for each hand

[silent mirage]

no it should increase the operator of the scoring operator

[opal hazel]

yeaah that's what I meanntt shhhhh shute up oh no wait it should do both

[silent mirage]

what about making it scales deez nuts

[opal hazel]

what if it does not require room but may overflow

[silent mirage]

hm, indeed

[silent mirage]

Arrowhead Ascended - Felicitas Dolorosa (Painful Happiness)
Scored Spades gives ^^1.2 chips.

ok that was crap

[honest stirrup]

good heavens

[steep flame]

welcome back polterworx

[blazing tendon]

a head

[silent mirage]

lets just {20000}25

[coarse blade]

we need to study your brain

absolutely fascinating how it works

[river fjord]

bro

youve basically just revived polterworx atp

[thin heron]

ngl if we ignore the fact that its literally just polterworx ^^1.2 chips is. a bit too strong

like if you play a flush with spades shits just gonna hit the e's

[silent mirage]

What the fuck

😭😭😭

[silent mirage]

Bro I was literally just shitposting

[coarse blade]

ah ok my bad

[silent mirage]

Like I didn't even know pwx had it

I just copied the Omega cards for my mod and that's it

[river fjord]

cant decide what sprite to do
do we desperately need any exotic art

i might try and do exotic jolly

[safe sapphire]

We still need to get the format done for type mult and type chip jokers. Type mults are suppose to be demonic while type chips are angelic

[river fjord]

oh

[opal hazel]

fun fact here's everything exotic riff-riff is gonna have to do written out

oh and of course

[thin heron]

so is exotic riff raff literally just every common joker in one

[safe sapphire]

We will have to see how good it is. I think it will be but we will need to see. I also need to figure out how we will achieve multiple scoring types like + and X mult in the same context.

[opal plank]

i know how to do this, but riff-raff's exotic will probably take time

[safe sapphire]

I took what people did for Code Joker, and I think I put the best parts together.

I imagine they would sound like Pizzahead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SppC8G_p6tU

I might make the HA!s appear in a similar way to the Code Joker itself

[coarse blade]

matyr regina today

just the border to do now

[safe sapphire]

Update on Code Joker, got it mostly working, just need to solve the showman problem.

[grizzled tiger]

it says doesnt need room but thats implied by negative

[wintry owl]

maybe a player has overflowing non negative cards

idk

[opal plank]

i think it’s fine; wheel of prospect from cryptposting makes negative rare/epic jokers and says the same thing

[worn loom]

okay but cryptposting is also inconsistent with the base game

perkeo creates negative consumables and doesnt say it needs room

[opal plank]

fair, but i’m just giving an example from my own mod; and, i think the clarification is nice

[worn loom]

i misread

either way

unless ascensio is your first experience with the game

i think the clarification is unnecessary

[river fjord]

i might revamp one of my sprites
probably gonna do it for exotic superposition

[celest wraith]

acrobat x is just night in cryptid

but not self destruct

gurh

campfire x is just eternal flame but slightly better

ok its way better by a margin

[hollow nymph]

eternal flame in what?

[hollow nymph]

is Exotic Fibonacci cost 55?

[safe sapphire]

Yes, to match it costing 8 regularly. It is part of the fib sequence.

[opal plank]

cryptid

also also i kinda want to work a little bit more on ascensio over the next few days before i go back to 😱 😱 😱 😱 school

[safe sapphire]

@nocturne ridge Looking at the doc, it says that you programmed exotic ceremonial dagger. Is it finished? Apologies if you already posted it and I missed it.

[nocturne ridge]

Yes.

[river fjord]

wait shit

gotta fix it up AGAIN

noticed something else is up

this should hopefully be the last time i repost this

[worn kindle]

campfire needs a reproposal, so here is an idea:
this joker gains ^0.1 mult when a card is sold. increases gain by 0.1 when a boss blind is defeated
idea is alr in a comment on the sheet.

[safe sapphire]

Idea: What if the gain after the boss battle was based on the current mult? It would still reset to 0, but the more you feed it, the easier it is to grow. It would be akin to prestige in idle games.

[worn kindle]

ooh, that seems fucken awesome

then again that would be a double exponential (exponential scaling on an exponential value)

[safe sapphire]

Maybe instead of mult, it would just be on items sold? 1 item sold gives you ^0.01 permanent mult gain after the boss?

[worn kindle]

and it would still scale at 0.1, but after the boss blind it would add to the scale? i.e. sold 25 things in an ante, increase goes from 0.1 to 0.35?

[safe sapphire]

Yes

[worn kindle]

that seems good, not self scaling, reasonably balanced for an exotic when you get your money sorted out, i like it. lemme word it into a jonkler desc gimmie a sec

this joker gains ^0.1 mult per card sold. when a boss blind is defeated, the number of cards sold that ante / 100 is added to the gain.
(currently ^x mult and y cards sold.)

the last bit before the parentheses could be reworded

rewording last sentence:

this joker gains ^0.1 mult per card sold. increases gain by the number of cards sold this ante / 100 when a boss blind is defeated
(currently ^x mult and y cards sold.)

also, one last bit, the current name for the campfire exo just feels like a misspelling of air fryer.

[safe sapphire]

It probably can just be simplified to:
This Joker gains ^0.1 mult per card sold Resets mult and increases gain by ^0.01 mult for each item sold this ante when a boss blind is defeated (currently ^x mult and y cards sold.)

wait

[worn kindle]

thats perfect.

[safe sapphire]

I agree with the name thing. Might go with the commented Silva Ardens.

I think I will start on this joker immediately. Will give me some time to figure out Code Joker, so that's an additional plus.

We do need art for it. Given the name, it probably should be a forest fire.

[worn kindle]

i was actually starting on drawing that before you said that lol. gonna claim the art and start drawing

[safe sapphire]

Wonderful! Can't wait to see what you come up with!

[worn kindle]

spray tool my beloved

[dense sedge]

Excuse you

[worn kindle]

holy fuck how do i draw a tree

[safe sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n4f-VDjOBE

[worn kindle]

omfg im gonna kill you /j

[safe sapphire]

Some honest advice:
Trees are, by their nature, just sticks attached to each other. Sometimes they twist and curve, but at their core, a tree can be easily represented by a fractal. Start by just having sticks connected to larger sticks, then go back to give it the desired shape and curve you desire. Doing this allows you to take it one piece at a time and see how each element connects to every other.

[worn kindle]

omg im no longer gonna kill you

[safe sapphire]

Blueberry Pi Joker art. I did it like a Food Joker, but our Blueberry Pi acts like a normal Joker. My question: Should it act like one? My thought: We change it so that a piece is "eaten" when exactly 3 hands remain with x total pieces, and it has an unconditional x3.14 chips outside of that. If we do that, how many pieces should it have?

[worn kindle]

14 to continue 3.14. kinda joking but whatever

[safe sapphire]

Idea, what if we make it an epic with x14 chips with 3 slices?

[worn kindle]

sure. also, just thinking about the ascending of it, you would need to get this and within 3 shops (including the one you get it) to find an ascencion card

then again theres popcorn but still

[safe sapphire]

You have a point

[worn kindle]

another view point: even very small hands can get millions of points with circulus

[safe sapphire]

It probably would be better to make it a rare version of Ramen with x3.14 and 6 slices.

Maybe we could get away with 3 since you would never were it down if you had enough hands.

[worn kindle]

yeah fair, you would need to get vouchers and an already solid build

which is honestly fair for an epic joker