Ascēnsiō v.0.1.1

[steep flame]

yeahh

[grizzled tiger]

so to format it as a description

Creates a Negative copy of 1 random held consumable when Blind selected and at round end
For each unique consumable type held, creates a Negative copy of its Ultra-Rare Spectral card(s) at the end of shop
(Ultra-Rares do not count as actual Spectral cards)

[steep flame]

i really love it

also this is great

[safe sapphire]

Also, I have seen multiple people say Jimbo's exotic Balatro is too weak. Even when we change it, I would like to keep it plus mult somehow even if it does scale. Anyone have any possible ideas?

[indigo helm]

the +4 Mult gimmick?

[steep flame]

I don't think it's too weak, it's still pretty much an instant win

but

maybe the amout of digits themselves could scale?

[tribal moth]

still??? just bump it up by, uhhh, 2 magnitudes

should be good enough at that point :V

[safe sapphire]

I think people just see plus mult and instantly write it off

[tribal moth]

then punish them by adding a secret effect alongside the +m

[steep flame]

for example, it could add a digit for every unique joker bought, or something similar (doesnt have to be that, just an idea)

so it could go from 444 to 4,444

[safe sapphire]

This is honestly a good idea

Another option is that it gives a bonus for each plus mult or plus chip joker in some form

OOOO

Combine the idea

For each joker that features either +mult or +chips, gain an extra digit

Though, in that form it might mean death in wormhole

[steep flame]

just have it start with +444 or something

or perhaps

its current value

it was 44,444 right?

[safe sapphire]

yes

[steep flame]

yeahh

that way

it already starts at a very strong form

[safe sapphire]

I think the idea is even fitting for the point of the mod itself as the goal is to make lower rariety jokers useful and Balatro literally relies on them. In that way I wouldnt mind if because of this Balatro secretly become the most powerful exotic in the mod

At least in the early game

[steep flame]

yeahh

if you want it to be more powerful, you could have the digits increase exponentially, rather than linearly

it might also be cool to have this scaling be a sort of hidden effect

though maybe not

[safe sapphire]

I think we would need testing to determine if that would be a step too far or not

[steep flame]

yeah, prob

[tribal moth]

something that might help with implementation: 4*(10^n - 1)/9gives the repdigit 444... where n is the number of digits

[Source]

[safe sapphire]

My first thought was to handle this with a recursive formula by just multiplying the current number by 10 then adding 4, but a closed formula is probably way better in this instance

[steep flame]

yeahh

[opal hazel]

oh right the squiggly that's because it's upside down I guess, I can fix it if there's a chance of spontanious detonations fgdsf

then again this is way funnier

[opal hazel]

Waluigi on a stick? (teaser for Momus face sprite)

[opal hazel]

@safe sapphire sorry for the repeat ping, but I wanted to ask if you approve of my Reworked Momus effect?

[worn kindle]

woke up early to attempt to make more peam

[worn kindle]

also very good idea

[worn kindle]

going to reword this to make my tism brain understand:
all jokers score Xn/^n mult, where n is the number of jokers times 0.5/0.05, excluding negatives. when a negative joker is obtained, 1 in 2 chance to downgrade edition to foil and give this joker +1 joker slot.
seems complex but a good idea. maybe could make negatives more common?

that would make it more complex fuck

[opal hazel]

(it could probably do that in the background (ie without telling you) if it has to) but also the main reason why it downgrades negatives to foil is because it's a 'satire' of sorts of how alot of the pitched and existing exotics tend to produce lots of negative cards

[worn kindle]

thats fucking awesome

[opal hazel]

also thinking about it Momus is by far the best name i could ever have come up with for waluigi (and if i'm being a bit prideful proobably the best name that exotic walugi could ever have) for like alot of reasons: 1. greek god --> fits with the other legendary exotic 2. Momus is god of satire & mockery --> joker/jester connection 3. Waluigi is an inverted version (or a satire if you will) of Luigi --> satire/mockery connection 4. negative waluigi's colours are very similar to the aspect of Momus from Hades 2 5. both are considered "obscure" within their respective franchise/pantheons

[worn kindle]

yeah, peak and a half. be proud of this

[opal hazel]

thank you!!1

[worn kindle]

thumb up!

[opal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-middle-finger-gif-27148811

[old drum]

erm

I tried to brainstorm the cup from morefluff and this happened

[old drum]

ok so its not just the cup

seems like triggering an item while having a negative brainstorm causes it?

ok I have no idea what the fuck is causing this

[nocturne ridge]

It's because when it checks it's position, it doesn't set it to 0 by default.

So if it can't find itself in the joker slots the game will crash.

[old drum]

is that something ascensio is doing?

[nocturne ridge]

Yes.

[old drum]

cuz ascensio seems to override brainstorm?

[opal hazel]

silly idea for when all the legendary exotics are done: Deity Cards - a series of 8 (possibly 9 if membership card is included) very rare (but not super rare) cards that can appear in any of the 5 types of packs (yes including standard packs) that give an effect mimicking their respective Deity - e.g: Dionysus creates a superrare spectral for each card type you have, Thanatos ^'s all hands mult by the numeber of face cards in deck/10, etc. (also these would only be unlocked when you find their respective deity) (ok I know achilles isn't a deity but shh)

[safe sapphire]

The reworked effect is straying a bit far from the original. Definitely should revolve around the number of jokers and not slots.

[grizzled tiger]

You're not gonna believe this

https://discord.com/channels/1264429948970733782/1360777379735408863

[opal hazel]

sorry for the late reply, how about: Jokers give +^0.05 Mult per joker, negative jokers instead give +0.5x mult per joker

[opal hazel]

also in the mean time here's th waluige stick (+ a really badly drawn hand with a placeholder┌ ) (😭 )

[rocky osprey]

TS Do Kinda Be Intresting Doe..

[opal hazel]

I still wanted to keep the theme of 'satirizing' negative jokers, but decided to do it with a less confusing effect and one that still keeps the theming of waluigi's original legendary intact based on mariofan's feedback I guess (<-- what in the chatgpt-sounding-ass is my reply here)

[rocky osprey]

boy why you so AI

[opal hazel]

"boy what you say about @Grak ☠️ " * excessively loud balatro phonk or smthn*

[rocky osprey]

what if it was +0.5x for any joker with an edition

[opal hazel]

I think that would honestly be a nerf (excluding early antes) tbh

[rocky osprey]

it practically is

hold on im stupid

[opal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-death-arcana-arcana-pack-gif-8727888635855026252

[rocky osprey]

wait thats fire

wait why am i brainless right now

[tribal moth]

i have no idea how tf aseprite jsons work, i cant find any documentation on it

sobs

[opal hazel]

acutally I do have one idea for exoJimbo since Ointe made all the animateoins less laggy or something: the sqaures could be animated like the ones jimbo has behind him (more workload yay i'm sure ppl love me for suggest stuff like this)

[tribal moth]

I'm thinking on not working on the Aseprite module for now; I'm not well-accustomed to the software (I don't even have it) and I'm not sure what to look out for in terms of nuances. I will, however, document the standard that modules need to meet to be deployable in the animation system, so hopefully other coders could maybe develop an Aseprite module

[south monolith]

Hi

[thorn prawn]

LOL

[safe sapphire]

Hello!

[safe sapphire]

I would be fine with this. I hope there is a way to do both at once

[safe sapphire]

Finally got my computer back! FINALLY real work can continue

[celest wraith]

perkeo after he became a botanist

[celest wraith]

so does this mean that steel joker or glass Joker will gain exponential mult for every steel card in deck or glass card broken?

[south monolith]

any ideas still blank currently?

[coarse blade]

check pins

for the brainstorm doc

[celest wraith]

i wanna add my own ideas too but I don't know where to put them without them getting lost

[coarse blade]

elaborate?

[fervent sierra]

"Mortal" (Empyrean -> Exotic) Radąlingr idea

At end of round, Joker's XMult is multiplied by itself.
(Currently X2 Mult)

[celest wraith]

I want to make exotic joker ideas too but idk where to put them just in case too many people chat here and my message disappears

[coarse blade]

try commenting on the ideas

[safe sapphire]

For insanity mode, it seems to be working at least on cryptid's 0.5.6dev. Will see if there is an issue with the more recent versions

Also, I can't seem to find that mentioned error with regular brainstorm. It seems to be acting like it should. I don't know why it would be affected anyway.

Wait, nevermind

Spotted the issue with brainstorm

I don't know why the exotic would be overriding the behavior

I might need help figuring out why regular brainstorm is now causing retriggers

[safe sapphire]

I think I figured out the supposed "brainstorm" error. I think the issue is that I forgot to define it as a local variable. It somehow worked despite that? The issue I thought I saw was a result of the Joker in question not having the blueprint context.

[nocturne ridge]

?

[safe sapphire]

ah

fixed

[safe sapphire]

If you think a suggestion needs a rework or have an alternative one, please don't replace the current suggestion and instead leave a comment on it. Repeated replacement or alterations of other people's suggestions will result in a ban from the doc.

[celest wraith]

I hope somebody sees this and read it I guess

what does balatro looks like to an old man who has played poker for 50 years

[opal hazel]

@safe sapphire i've made a page for MoreMarioJokers I guess (though the dropdown box is a bit funky looking)

[indigo helm]

https://youtu.be/DFY5BdS27BY?si=HrtFe-MRy6D7uc7q

[agile flint]

I think I watched one from them that showcasing the blueprint exotic

[tribal moth]

been thinking abt this a lot recently

i should really be working on cardanim documentation but i wanna try to draft something for this

[river sluice]

I think the angel/devil wings work well considering it'd be a good separation between type mult and type chips jokers

other than hat colors

[agile flint]

You should prolly drafting those hand type jokers since so far card anim doesnt really have impactful performance hit yet, but its up to the mood too if you wish to finish card anim rework

[tribal moth]

yeah, makes sense

[tribal moth]

that's what i was thinking

i think im gonna do angel for chips and demon for mult, bc colors (and just the colors :V)

[tribal moth]

ooh wait

what if even steven X and odd todd X were related to these guys

rn Odd X (chips) is "Sinistro" and Even X (mult) is "Ius", but idk abt re-assigning lefthandedness to badness (or demons), like how it was historically (hence why "sinister" is derived from the latin term for "lefthandedness")

maybe there could be a subversion?

[safe sapphire]

I'm gonna put all my effort into getting the hunting exotic in tonight. Even if its not ^chips and instead xchips its gonna get in

[river sluice]

Maybe they could be like a full on evolved version of their design

like with 8 wings for even and 7 wings for odd

[celest wraith]

Biblically accurate Steven and Todd

[safe sapphire]

Ok, I got the hunting season exotic working, but as an XChip version of itself. Right now, remaining cards just gain the rank of the destroyed cards as xchips. Should I release this as is, or should I wait to try and get the original ^Chip version working?

Also, I don't know how it would work for non-number ranks. Something to potentially fix.

[grizzled tiger]

10

[safe sapphire]

Sure

I will make specific exceptions when they come to my attention

Ok, this is annoying. Despite XChips now being supported by SMODS, I don't think playing card XChips are functioning.

Here is what I think I'm gonna do. I gonna make it Xmult since that is whats currently working at the moment. I am also gonna add it to the github but commented out so people can check it out if they want

Will spend some time in the near future trying to implement the ^chips version

Actually, it's probably fine to release as is. It is, in my mind, still powerful enough for an exotic. It will just be updated to reflect the original idea later.

Added Hunting Season's exotic: Sine Fine Venari to the Github! Of course, it doesn't add ^Chips like the original idea, but functions identically in every other aspect. Will try to add that sooner vs later. As well, right now it can't handle non-numeric ranks, as there was a weird error that came up when I tried to check for them. On the Github now!

Also, this is the mod's first extra layer animation!

[velvet widget]

Fire

[nocturne ridge]

?

[safe sapphire]

I thought I fixed that

There. Now we shouldnt have to talk about gluttenous joker again.

[tribal moth]

you should probably put a comment there saying "sic"

[safe sapphire]

Sorry, I don't understand. What do you mean?

[grizzled tiger]

[sic] is used by official sources to denote typos made not by the user, but the creator of the work

[safe sapphire]

I see

[tribal moth]

it basically says "no i didn't make a typo, this is how it literally is in the original"

[safe sapphire]

I see. The first time I heard the term. I added that to a few misspellings.

[tribal moth]

actually ykw im gonna set up a poll for this

idea is: hand chip/mult jokers (jolly, sly, etc.) are themed to be angelic/demonic jokers (idea by CapitalChirp), but im not 100% sure which theme goes to chip/mult, because I could make it work in both ways (i.e. pink heavenly clouds, blue hellfire)

additionally, even steven X ("Ius") would go with the mult guys, and odd todd X ("Sinistro") would go with the chips guys; Steven X and Todd X would be like more higher-powered versions of the Chip/Mult X-Jokers

[agile flint]

Without vote, with color theme assuming color pairings used aside of like standard blue for chips and red for mult I think the heavenly theme gonna go for chips and the others gonna be hell 🤔

Could make it the other way, but the root feel like it goes that way too

[silent forge]

yeah chips-heaven and mult-hell makes the most sense based on colors

[agile flint]

Mhm, I mean like pairings of monotone blue bright cyan can represent hell with the design element and pairing red with pinkish white can represent heavenly feel but I feel it less "direct" with the color the theme portrayed in most of media depictions, but this is just my opinion, don't let it down your direction if you feel it gonna looks great :)

[opal hazel]

Exo Hunting Season does NOT like destroying Stone cards:

[karmic bough]

the blue spy

[karmic bough]

Im gonna try it with an abstract card

funny, it doesnt make it go into the negatives

[opal plank]

get two of these and suddenly you have x518398560001 mult

[opal hazel]

Or maybe not

[opal hazel]

oh wait kinda misread that but no the negative mult does not give you one jatrillion score my multiplying it negatively again

wierdly though, the amount of negative mult stone cards are giving seems random

[nocturne ridge]

It's because if a card has no rank it returns a negative number completely randomly between 100 and 1000000 as it's rank.

[opal hazel]

did not know that! Was there any reason for this or was it just a quirk in the game's code?

[karmic bough]

now to use it with tandem with a 161 of clubs from UnStable

[worn loom]

this isnt concrete but i imagine the reason is because stone cards were added late into the game and instead of messing with poker hand calculations thunk just made them return a random id instead

this also means though that stone cards can technically still form poker hands

if it happens to roll the exact same number twice or more

[opal hazel]

seems reasonable enough, tbh I really hope stone cards get a buff in the eventual gameplay update, they have like 1 joker synergy and nothing else

[grizzled tiger]

wrong

poker hand calcs forbid this

[worn loom]

is this in vanilla or because of smods

[grizzled tiger]

vanilla

rank based hands only check positive values

[worn loom]

damn i was wrong

now i cant even add negative ranks

[old drum]

the useful decimals:

0.1 is a positive value :)

[tribal moth]

Finished writing cardanim documentation, I think the anim fork's all good now

[karmic bough]

The hit song "Jimbo's Inferno" from the album "The Chips goes to heaven, the Mult goes to hell"

[worn kindle]

the peam is underway

[opal hazel]

uuuuuggh I haven't made much progress on Momus why did I force myself to try draw a face at least the snake looks gud

somethingcom515 try not to 🤔 challenge (IMPOSERBLE!) (/j)

[safe sapphire]

It looks good so far! nice work!

[agile flint]

Ngl would be funny if this sprite goes live with the placeholder sign still intact

[opal hazel]

epic reference to waligui being snubbed by nintendo everywhere

[celest wraith]

I love how some of the exotified jokers have ridiculous effects, whereas jokers like hanging chad just becomes retriggers the first card 20 times lmfao

[safe sapphire]

That's fair. I thought of making all retriggers affect the first played card if possible. What other ideas do you have for it?

[velvet widget]

what if one of the retrigger jokers made retriggering effects trigger an additional time

[tribal moth]

well dammit, i bit off more than i could chew and i'm suddenly stuck in a really important technical undertaking over at the mods wiki; I won't be able to do X-hand chip/mult Joker template right now

[safe sapphire]

Its all good! Thanks for the help you provided thus far!

[tribal moth]

just realized i should be making a pull request

this git stuff is a handful man

[tribal moth]

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/13 ok here we go

should probably test first with a mod installation, it works on my device but im not sure on anyone else's

[safe sapphire]

I will try to test it out tonight

[opal plank]

this is infinitum lol

[velvet widget]

what is infinitum

[opal plank]

just ctrl+f it on the spreadsheet

here

Retriggers all Jokers one time
This Joker can retrigger Jokers that apply retriggers
Unrepeatable

[coarse blade]

@safe sapphire uh hey did you ever figure out the converting cards held in hand for the sum jokers or

[opal plank]

i don't think so

[coarse blade]

damn

[opal plank]

i believe a broken version been commented out, actually

[coarse blade]

would've made them a lot more usable imo

[opal plank]

    --[[if context.scoring_name == "Pair" and context.cardarea == G.jokers and not context.blueprint_card and not context.retrigger_joker then
    --if context.cardarea == G.jokers and context.before and not context.blueprint_card and not context.retrigger_joker then
        --if get_poker_hand_info(G.hand.highlighted) == "Pair" then
            card_list = {}
            for i = 1, #context.scoring_hand do
                   table.insert(card_list, context.scoring_hand[i])
               end
            local rank = average_rank(card_list) or 0
            -----------
            local _card = G.hand.cards[i]
            converted = true
            for i = 1, #G.hand.cards do
            local _card = G.hand.cards[i]
                if _card:get_id() ~= rank and not SMODS.has_no_rank(_card) then
                    G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({
                        func = function()
                            assert(SMODS.change_base(_card, _, rank))
                            _card:juice_up()
                            return true
                        end,
                        }))
                end
            end
        if converted then
        return { message = rank, colour = G.C.PURPLE }
        end
end
]]

[coarse blade]

hm

didn't take up lua

only game design my bad

[opal plank]

yeah i don't believe this works

but

i ain't good at coding enough to do it either

[safe sapphire]

No, didn't figure it out yet. Definitely something I want to do. While the average would be best, we could just refer to the first played card for that info.

[coarse blade]

wait how the hell would exotic tribe work with wild cards

just take the first card's base suit?

[nocturne ridge]

Yes, because the only way to get a cards suit is to get its base suit.

[peak escarp]

UMBRA ALBA - Invisible Joker
After having this joker for 5 rounds, sell it to duplicate half (rounded up, chosen randomly) of your jokers as negatives. Will not be sold if ability is active.

[austere flame]

I am here

wat do I draw

[celest wraith]

First played card each hand retrigger 2 times for every scored card? Like the more cards you score the more crazy hanging chad goes

[celest wraith]

they actually made all the ideas and abilities for jokers already (except for some? in Cryptid)
so you just need to draw only

[peak escarp]

Oh alright.

[celest wraith]

Nice art

Oh and I forgot

The exotic Version of invis joker already has art

[peak escarp]

Aw what!!!!

[celest wraith]

Ope my bà

Bad

[peak escarp]

Checking the pinneds....

[celest wraith]

It hasnt been drawn yet mb

I mistook it for exotic stencil joker

Mbmb

Maybe your art could work?

[peak escarp]

Yeah, gonna touch it up a little.

[opal plank]

most jokers that have its mortal form activate on sell activate on other jokers being sold

[austere flame]

satelite

[opal plank]

could this be compiled into a gif for viewing?

it looks peam nonetheless, but i would still like to see as the suggestor

[agile flint]

There's error on 6th frame for the background, I think you accidentally dragged the exotic border 1 pixel once, also since we don't have Oinite's joker animation system fully implemented yet, I suggest exporting the sprite sheet not using "packed setting" if you are using Aseprite, if you not using the setting, uncheck the merge duplicate checkbox to retain some information, since I suspect the sprite sheet have uneven amount of frame because of the setting🤔

[steep flame]

wait, animation system?

tell me more

[agile flint]

nah, it just a rework on current code

[steep flame]

a

[agile flint]

to be able to use a more flexible animation system so we dont have to export large sprite sheet full of duplicate frames

[peak escarp]

Alright I think I'm somewhat satisfied with this???

[steep flame]

i see

I've been severely procrastinating implementing animations for astronomica 😭

[opal plank]

this looks great

[agile flint]

Its fine since animated joker is rare if not because me kinda elevate it presence because I almost do it all the time , tbh I don't really even know if flexible frame timing is part of what oinite's code gonna do, I just thought it's part of it since they talk abt it before

[spring grove]

He doesn't use aseprite

[steep flame]

i was apprehensive about using aseprite when i first got into modding but after i started using it I can't imagine using anything else

[spring grove]

he made the animation manually

[opal plank]

yeah george uses uhhh

i forget

piskel

he has aseprite, but it runs horribly on his chromebook

[agile flint]

oh welp, then idk how they export the sprite sheet, since it feels like the frames doesnt have same number for each layer, so idk if there's duplicate frames and when the loop points, wait I think I know how to make it like that so it loop for each layer individually, but idk if current animation art implementation support for each layer loop differently, it prolly support it, then the problem only for the 6th frame error 🤔

[peak escarp]

I use krita, but now you've made me interested. How does aseprite shandle symmetry and stuff like that? (I commonly use symmetry for exotic stuff.)

[steep flame]

I'm actually not sure, you'd have to ask Tattered, they're the expert lmao

[agile flint]

There's symmetry tool you can access in aseprite through the viewport/ canvas setting, I rarely use it though, since I have habit that I just draw half of my design, duplicate the layer, then flip it horizontally if I need it. I rarely do symmetrical designs to start anyways

[steep flame]

i do that too, but i will definitely take note of this

[agile flint]

What I like abt aseprite, like krita is that you can mod the application itself

[peak escarp]

Yeah, the main problem seems to be workflow and stuff like that cause... The blend mode is hidden in the layer properties!? Auuughhh oh it's open source too that's nice

[agile flint]

Yeah, it takes a while to get used to, but I used it often enough to the point that I barely noticed the jank, also part of it because I havent fix my pc yet, I usually design most of my stuff in Clip Studio Paint, which I dont have on my device rn

[steep flame]

honestly my biggest gripe with aseprite is accidentally clicking ctrl+f and getting stuck in advanced mode all the time

it's like the digital equivalent of losing your glasses

[agile flint]

Lmao, ironically its prolly my fav thing since I usually work with shortcuts, so I dont need the buttons, and it let me have bigger canvas when working

[steep flame]

ah fair

i wish there was a grid system though (unless there actually is one and I'm blind)

like being able to show a 71x95 grid would be really useful

i just use a layer of Jimbos to line up my jokers lmao

[agile flint]

It is a thing, I never touch it for some reason though

[steep flame]

ah

[opal plank]

[peak escarp]

I think I may have made a mistake

Here's the thingy, too. In case you want to add it.

[peak escarp]

Alright I think this is a little better

[celest wraith]

Who is this fella supposed to be

Is this the guy that gives you ascension power?

[peak escarp]

The X4 one yeah

[celest wraith]

your art is sick mate

ngl

Idk even know how to properly draw a stickman

I do know how to draw guns, and thats about it

[opal hazel]

(the effect does need to be buffed since Entropy membership exists tbh)

[ebon minnow]

i tried it out and i already love the art, let alone the gameplay

this is incredible

[austere flame]

Whoops

Not using aseprite 🔥

[austere flame]

?

[opal plank]

this feels very suddenly cut off

[austere flame]

i lost like 3 frames to the void while converting it (?)

it's 15

but it should be 18

also not a huge fan of the light idk

the animation is general is mid

might make it loop

*more cleanly

[ebon minnow]

m

Maybe just
Don't animate

I had the idea of the earth rotating but nvm

[agile flint]

Ok seems like my worst scenario is happening that I most likely won't have my data on my old disk drive back so effort to resprite past animated sprite is most likely just null

Fortunately I'm not doing that much animated sprites that time compared to recent days

[worn kindle]

also another thing the earth water is darker than balatro black... sigh..

[austere flame]

oh shit fr?

well it’s exotic so

it follows no rules

[opal plank]

youareright

[safe sapphire]

I apologize for my concurrent absence. Will get back on this soon!

[velvet widget]

dont apologize big bro

you da boss

[opal plank]

nah man a bunch of updates have been happening recently so it's fine to feel this way

[still stump]

Love the work everyone has done on this, honestly GOATed mod addon tbh

[opal plank]

I agree as. An unbiased person.

[celest wraith]

this addon made broken balatro more broken

[peak escarp]

It feels so good to listen to Will Wood again you would not believe.

[wintry owl]

it's beautiful....

[indigo helm]

Hey, i was just wondering how do you guys animate your joker, since im also looking at Ascensio code right now, using it for a reference for my own mod too

[opal plank]

there's currently an entire fork of ascensio dedicated to making good animated code

here

https://github.com/Oinite12/Ascensio-anim/tree/main

there's a wiki for info on how to do this
https://github.com/Oinite12/Ascensio-anim/wiki

[indigo helm]

oh sick, cheers thank you!

[opal plank]

this seems to be the important stuff

https://github.com/Oinite12/Ascensio-anim/tree/main/lib

[peak escarp]

Holy Joker!
-# "HEY! Don't use the lords name in vain, you heathen!"

[coarse blade]

oh shit hi slipstream

[peak escarp]

HEY YEAH I SAW YOU EARLIER HIIIIII
I was contemplating whether or not to say hi, because I wasn't sure how you'd react. It feels good to see ya again!!

[grizzled tiger]

a reunion,,, beautiful,,

[peak escarp]

Yeah we were in a thread for a fic that combined two of the artsiest fartsiest most beautifully written games I know into one in a glorious fashion.

[grizzled tiger]

legendary

[opal hazel]

yooo

[coarse blade]

all roads pass through balatrome

[peak escarp]

All roads. Even the ones that come after.
I've been making arts for entropy in the background. Mainly the entropic jokers.

[coarse blade]

now a discord actually

[peak escarp]

Yeah I wasn't sure whether to mention that either

[safe sapphire]

Apologies for the delay. Getting back on this! First thing I'm gonna do is test the animation branch and fix and potential issues. From there, I will try to fix the hunting season exotic.

[celest wraith]

turns out this dudes a fucking celebrity! love your art in entropy man, very...entropic, am i rite?

[peak escarp]

https://www.tumblr.com/lil-mr-slipstream/756325527215800320/voices-the-pristine-cut?source=share
I'm kind of a celebrity in the Slay the Princess circle...

[karmic bough]

Sine Fine Veni Vidi Vici thing is broken?

[safe sapphire]

Feel free to scroll back and see, but I only accounted for number cards. Anything else is throwing errors. This includes stone cards.

[peak escarp]

Sacred (balding) bloodline

[tribal moth]

noticed that Chicot X and Triboulet X have been made, where can I see the art for them?

[coarse blade]

@nocturne ridge

[agile flint]

Pretty sure the art for them havent been made yet, but only the code from what I've seen in the sheet last time

[tribal moth]

oh crap

i might have misread

[agile flint]

Rendition for Certificate X, I feel like doing smth simple rn and this one is one catch my eyes because no one take it yet, so yeah

[opal plank]

"something simple" literally the only reason it's simple to you is because it's not animated
this is peam

[agile flint]

That might be true, but honestly, I only spent 45 min on this, so I kinda can call it simple

I might just also take loyalty card art since that might be also pretty simple to execute

[spring grove]

"I only spent 45 min on this, so I kinda can call it simple" this is FIRE

[indigo helm]

this peam

[agile flint]

Rendition for Loyalty Card X, I intend it to have sort of animated sprite which have the mark fill up for every hand played up till 10, then I read the effect only playing up to 6 hand and that wouldn't work with what I've been working on and I am way to undecided whether just to redid the marker or just let the sprite differences up to 6, and I decided to screw both opt and make it just static in the end

Also yeah, I decided to swap it from horizontal layout to vertical because, why not?

[celest wraith]

wow thats pretty cool

your style is pretty royalty kind of idfk

[agile flint]

it just happen for the two because idrk how to make them feel more "expensive" than the actual existing stuff with them still being readable, and black + gold color combo is just how to make stuff looks expensive sorta

Ngl thats why I change the main color of loyalty card into more pale-white gold than also all gold like the certificate x because that will make it looks samey instantly, this one still looks samey, but atleast not that bad

[ebon minnow]

I can't imagine 150 exotics

[celest wraith]

nobody said them look bad
they look fucking awesome
hell yeah i can finally flex my richness other than having 1e300 money now

[celest wraith]

then think fast chucklenuts

[ebon minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/sh2-silent-hill-2-fog-gif-1321460155140227201

[agile flint]

No, dw, it just my habit to self-deprecate my work just to keep my ego in check /j

[celest wraith]

this style reminded me of the credit card x

[agile flint]

well because its also have the same root idea as these two

just prolly more prominent? because the term "black card" exists

[celest wraith]

does all econ jokers look like this now

[agile flint]

loyalty card isnt econ I believe right?

[celest wraith]

no

but it sounds like a membership card of sorts

yk

[agile flint]

oh yea, thats true

[celest wraith]

"be loyal to us and we let you eat free salmon" that kind of stuff

idfk

but its cool

your design i mean

hmmm

is there any hard to design jokers

i kinda want to do one

[agile flint]

there's some of them, but it just because prolly ppl still undecided how to interpret them, like, I am about to do wee, but I am still undecided and kinda waiting for ppl to do it first

[celest wraith]

just make a tiny pixel that contains a picture of jimbo

[agile flint]

lmao, I kinda want to do a really small guy holding a big exotic frame using perspective foreshortening, but in my head it doesnt looks good yet, so I hold if off for now

[celest wraith]

what about weebonachi

[agile flint]

its probably similar, what I focus first now is completing the vanilla balala, and then I prolly touch more cryptid expansion, iirc I only did one for cryptid in the form of sapling x

[celest wraith]

ykw

im doing chad

ill just make an extremely stylized gigachad with flashing eyes

[celest wraith]

you did sapling too? no wonder

[agile flint]

yea, but pretty sure it haven't been implemented yet

[peak escarp]

Joker family design notes

[safe sapphire]

Merged the animation branch

[river fjord]

has exotic perkeo been made yet

oh wait

checked brainstorm sheet theres stuff for it

anyway i have an idea for exotic phantom shopper from entropy

Spiritus Mercatoris (the spirit of the merchant)

+2 Shop Slots, both of which contain a [rarity] Joker (starts at common)

Increase rarity of Jokers generated by this Joker for every 3 shops visited (caps at Entropic)

[peak escarp]

A bit silly

[celest wraith]

is this half joker

[peak escarp]

Yeah

[celest wraith]

he looks like he is in pain

you should add a questioning mark next to the exclamation marks
itd make it look like: what is happening? why the fuck im i torn in half!!!

[celest wraith]

this overrides ace equilibrium or nah?

[coarse blade]

it's giving pokemon

[celest wraith]

why pokemon

hes jimbo

[coarse blade]

pokemon evolution

[celest wraith]

the only one and only jimbo satorou

he is torn jn half

[river fjord]

ace would probably override in this case tho

[peak escarp]

He's talking about the design notes above.

[river fjord]

i might try and make 7-4 art based off of this image of the earthmover

wait shit

art is done

nvm

[still stump]

+++++

Cat needed the discord to know that

[celest wraith]

oh srry

im high

[river fjord]

superposition 🥰🥰

[grizzled tiger]

mcready*

[river fjord]

wait oops forgot to send the 1x for the layers

here

[opal hazel]

Yeah Amplio Te was just a random filler name I came up with, Askepios is way better (ammending the sheet now!). Oh and for Doctor Development, idk I just put in a goofy name based on Exelixi's translation (like Spindown Sally I guess), but maybe something like Plague Joketer would be more fitting?

[peak escarp]

Agh Asklepios is greek, not latin! I was plannin on drawin' him for the exotic art!
Plague jokester is good, but i feel like theres a catchy name for doctors out there...

[opal hazel]

ehhh i'm sure leaving one greek name in the exotics wont hurt I think Aesculapius works fine as a latin substitute, but just to let you know, greek gods are allowed as names! (hell there's a whole page full of em in the moremariojokers tab :> ) As for the mortal for that yeah there's still workshopping to do on the name

[indigo helm]

the sticker.position,,,,,,,,

[peak escarp]

Ugh yeah I don't know how that works

[opal hazel]

boring fix: flip the joker the other way round

funny fix: make a tiny piece of the joker be left underneath where the sticker is (and maybe add another corner to it ;> )

[peak escarp]

Alrighty

[grizzled tiger]

"BRO WHAT TEH FUCK DID YOU DO TO MA FACE

[peak escarp]

Clearly someone wasn't able to draw a three of a kind and got mad.

[opal hazel]

minor crashout (Live view during the creation process of half half joker: )

https://tenor.com/view/crashout-skeleteon-skeleton-meme-skeleteton-crashout-screaming-gif-2819917983570648755

[agile flint]

Ngl I was doubting my memories abt the name, and well the name turn out to be wrong on my end rn bruh, I'll prolly gonna keep it because it gonna be still a fun joke typo to the ppl who know the name

[broken vortex]

We could totally make the name for normal Primus Orion Pax

[celest wraith]

yeah

makes sense

i watched transformers

[safe sapphire]

Looking at Contra Logos. The current proposed effect is busted. It is: This joker gains ^0.5 chips when a 7 or 4 is played (doesnt need to be scored). I am thinking of reducing it to either ^0.01 or ^0.005. This means either a ^0.5 increase or a ^2.5 increase with a five card hand per hand. I think the latter is more than fair given Stella Mortis's scaling. I think this still might be too powerful, but I would like some thoughts on the matter.

I think working on contra would help get me back into the flow of this. Also gives me a chance to practice using the new anim system.

[opal plank]

this reminds me that i should do verdicts for more jokers

[safe sapphire]

Animation seems to be working smoothly, but the current art has an issue. I assume it isn't intended for the face to get covered like this:

That line should propably be on the extra layer

Or background?

Perhaps the head should be on the soul layer instead?

@tribal moth What do you think?

[tribal moth]

oh yeah, that

dw abt it

test

wanted to make sure that the lance isnt disconnected from the head so i put a few extra pixels on it

actually hm

god this internet is trash

yeah, like the intent is to make sure that the lance doesnt ever "disconnect" from the head, but now I wonder if I put a few too many pixels there

[safe sapphire]

Thanks for your quick response. Like I said, I think it just needs moved to the extra layer

Then it would be fine

[opal plank]

because of how the parallax and floating effects in balatro work, it looks a lot different in-game than it looks when the layers are just combined

[tribal moth]

yeah, i know

the layering (i.e. the lance) was made with the soul sway in mind

i got an idea

Try this?

[safe sapphire]

I think that fixed the issues. The eyes are not being covered now. Thanks for the update!

Also Oinite, a quick question. For your animation update, did you have a way to set a given framerate for a given card, or are they all stuck at just one?

Not needed at the moment, but might be important in the future.

[tribal moth]

You can change the duration of each individual frame to all be the same number to change the framerate, but only with integer values; and the highest framerate is always 10fps (or lowest frame duration is 0.1 spf)

(to be consistent with the vanilla game's default framerate for its own animated assets)

[tribal moth]

I.e. in frames you can have all t= be the same number, and with the skim macro, you can give the parameters timing={n}, is_periodic=true to set a framerate for all frames generated with the skim macro

[agile flint]

I'll probably be away from doing joker art sprite for around 3 weeks, I got to supervise my pc repair progress and prolly gonna spend a lot of time rebuilding my lost data on the new drive disk, might draw one or two if I have the chances, but I can assume I won't really have ample time for the next 2 weeks up to 1 month if its gonna be severe, but a lot of ppl already help working with the sprite anyways so it gonna be fine

[coarse blade]

gl with that

@safe sapphire when you're able to fix the issue
here's clarified sum joker effects

[hollow nymph]

second effect currently do nothing yet.

[coarse blade]

i know

that's why i said when mario is able to implement the converting feature

there's an updated description waiting

[old drum]

were the blueprint problems fixed yet

[old drum]

(the one that causes compatibility issues because ascensio for some reason overrides blueprint)

[peak escarp]

Marked two.

[opal plank]

this is great and now i'm jealous that you're not working on my mod 🤣

[peak escarp]

What's your mod thingy?

[opal plank]

b

b but better

you're not obligated or anything, just thought your art was cool

[peak escarp]

Oh man you're the guy! Yeah I may or may not do something sometime.

[opal plank]

"the guy" whar

actually this reminds me that i should put the wiki in the cryptposting thread and beg a mod to pin it

[peak escarp]

The guy that made the thingy.

[opal plank]

yes i made the thingy

bulgoe

[peak escarp]

-# (Current scary face looks a bit too silly.)

[agile flint]

Well it partly because there's lore behind it

[peak escarp]

Really?

[agile flint]

Yep, theres one in the other brainstorm doc (there's two of them, well technically the other is google sheet but yknow what I mean) which hasnt really been managed till now

[peak escarp]

Ohhhhh. ._.

[agile flint]

It is little goofy indeed, and I also have interest on reinterpret it, but for now focusing for the one that hasnt been taken prolly better just to speed up the progress of the mod

[fervent sierra]

fucking terrifying face

[coarse blade]

is there a way we can code texture packs for modded balatro yet

[safe sapphire]

I kinda think that's a bit extreme for this mod if I am being honest. That being said, texture pack support would be cool so people could choose what design they want (possibly like how that Pokémon fusion game did it)

To have texture packs, we would need to be able to detect when a new folder is added, switch to using that one at a given point for the assests, and have the option to disable animations from working if there is no difference between the two values as now every card would need the animation function.

[fervent sierra]

is it possible to have textures be toggled with a config or is that too much of a task

[safe sapphire]

If we went with the wholesale approach, possibly? I don't know how I would do it on a card by card basis. I guess I would need to figure out how cryptids game mode configured is done.

[fervent sierra]

also if you made this sprite can you show the assets this is honestly really cool

[river fjord]

i wonder what exotic lebron will look like

[fervent sierra]

something like this maybe

[steep flame]

LOL

[river fjord]

ok that would actually go hard

[steep flame]

what ever happend to that card anim api thing

[fervent sierra]

what if mortal exadversum was similar to luchador in functionality or something

"sell this card to convert the boss blind into a positive variant"

or something

idk

[coarse blade]

luchador stocks going through the floor

[steep flame]

perhaps

could probably be rarer than luchador though

[fervent sierra]

luchador is uncommon so it should be rare or epic

[steep flame]

prob rare

[coarse blade]

oh yeah hi riley how are we gonna do exotic hand type score joker renders

[steep flame]

wdym

[coarse blade]

if chips are angels and mult are devils

[steep flame]

ah

hm

perhaps it could be split halfway

one side angel other side devils

or it could somehow utilize the "angel on one shoulder, devil on the other" trope

[coarse blade]

was thinking of taking ideas from https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AngelsDevilsAndSquid

idk

[velvet widget]

OOOOOO

sprry i love hearing about tropes n shit

[fervent sierra]

^12 asc as a starting value seems a bit busted no?

[coarse blade]

@safe sapphire permission to add potassium crossmod support?

[tribal moth]

Merged into main

[opal hazel]

thing is that the spinny Antireal Joker exists and it's an epic (^1 Ascension power per empty joker slot), while something like Drac Pihsrebmem (basically a legendary) gives like a flat 600X Ascension power. I do think it could go down to ^1.2 ascension power but what do you think

[opal hazel]

also random side tangent (that i won't repsond to since i'm going to bed soon :X ) @safe sapphire do you approve Holy Joker & Sanctus?

[safe sapphire]

Sure, I see no reason not to. Not sure how much focus it will get on my end for the time being, but people are more than free to add ideas for it

[safe sapphire]

If you are referring to the art, I think it looks great! Did you post the full layered images? So far I only saw their compiled versions.

[coarse blade]

@peak escarp

[peak escarp]

I'll try to find it.

Thingies!!

[coarse blade]

can you also drop scary face layers?

[peak escarp]

Alrighty, then. Let's see what happens with this one.

[safe sapphire]

It was merged into main. Long story short, it makes it way easier to select the bounds of an animation.

[steep flame]

I see

yeah I've been really struggling with animation

[safe sapphire]

Here is an example I have currently with Antennas to the Heavens. I would ask Oinite if he would be cool with it, but if you are interested, feel free to grab it from the lib folder of the mod.

[steep flame]

oh this would be a lifesaver

[tribal moth]

I'm cool with it, I developed the thing to anticipate people nabbing the code, with/without heads up

I just need to write documentation for how to actually use the thing

But tl;dr it is recommended that the "cardanim" file is loaded via the SMODS load file

[steep flame]

awesome, ty!

docs would help

[tribal moth]

https://github.com/Oinite12/Ascensio-anim/wiki

-# Thanks discord for failing to send the message

I'll be honest, this is my first time writing documentation for something pretty significant, so if you need clarification on something, don't be afraid to ask me about it

[indigo helm]

I've been using that wiki to animate my own joker, still struggling but I'll get there eventually

[hot plank]

tredecim but not exotic

(larger)

[agile flint]

13

[gusty flower]

🅱️

[ebon minnow]

1️⃣3️⃣

[opal hazel]

this might be a stupid idea for how much work it implies, but what if when using Ascension on nostalgic deck, you could transform consumables (excluding Gateway/Ascension) into Exotic/Ascended Consumables (Ig the nostalgic deck thing would be an unlock condition like unlocking None)

[ebon minnow]

m

[tribal moth]

Ayy nice lol

One suggestion: would it be possible to add a 1px gap between the big 1 and 3?

[grizzled tiger]

c

I might try my hand at designing an Ascension

any ones I could do?

[tribal moth]

The sheet shows which Jokers still need art; also over there is where you claim a Joker for making artwork

[worn kindle]

is this done yet?

[hot plank]

i want to know where the sheet for jokers is

[opal plank]

check pins

[coarse blade]

make sure to comment your ideas

instead of rewriting the idea

[livid dove]

Lore is optional right?

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, will get it soon. It is still on the temp pc I was using and I need to move it over.

[coarse blade]

i would stray away from that

[livid dove]

That's what I was hoping.

[coarse blade]

bringing this back into the economy

i think it fucks

as a potential challenge

[safe sapphire]

I agree. It might be the one boss blind we add

[safe sapphire]

Added Like Antennas to the Heaven's Ascension: "Contra Logos" to the Github!

Also, I will soon go back and add a name section for each Joker. I didn't have it originally because I was using the default Cryptid name tag. Feels wrong to not credit those people who help with latin translations and I want to correct that.

Additionally, logos is fully functional with demicolon so have fun with that!

[hot plank]

can i take exotic riff raff for coding

[coarse blade]

i mean

nobody's stopping you

gl with that

[hot plank]

it's just every vanilla joker

i can look into the files

or just copy off of mods

[coarse blade]

true

[hot plank]

what

[opal plank]

😭

[hot plank]

this is the entire list

[fervent sierra]

Exotic Atomikos should be titled Microscopicus methinks

[still stump]

What happens if you ascend a Cursed Joker?

[safe sapphire]

Good Question! The current plan is to make them even worse versions of themselves called Cataclysms. Why would you ever want to do this? IDK. Current thought is a challenge deck based around them, but perhaps we could tie a worthy award if you survive them.

Maybe it could be tied to unlocking certain cards as well?

Idea: What if completing a run with a catclysm cards unlocks a positive varient of them that then also gets its own ascension?

[steep flame]

Are they called cataclysmic or calamitous?

I've heard both names

[safe sapphire]

We might go with cataclysmic because it sounds closer to exotic

[still stump]

I like this, but if you couldn't start a deck with one I think this would be incredibly difficult to pull off.

[safe sapphire]

Maybe we need something like a reverse temp sticker that activates the card after a certain amount of time so you can prepare?

[fervent sierra]

Delayed
Trigger/Forcetrigger this card after [X] [action/context]s

or something

[safe sapphire]

Also, I realized we need a new theme for these cataclysmic jokers.

Both music and possibly card design wise.

[steep flame]

Heya, @safe sapphire when Cataclysmic rarity is added, may i utilize the rarity in my own mod for some original Cataclysmic jokers?

[celest wraith]

benjamin

[celest wraith]

should there be more cursed joker in base cryptid? i think 3 is too little

[still stump]

I agree, but more are approved and coming soon

[celest wraith]

how do you make a joker that halves your money when sold, a joker that posseses and fucks up your jokers or just offs itself, and a blacklist type joker into good guys.

[safe sapphire]

Of course! Feel free.

[tribal moth]

hot take, from the moment it became a popular name, i think benjamin is a stupid name for earthmover
ultrakill community try not to shoehorn funy name for enemies challenge (impossible 100)

[opal plank]

johnifer

[steep flame]

it sucks being a fan of the actual music referenced by ultrakill names rather than ultrakill itself here 😭 😭 😭

[safe sapphire]

Posting this here in case something happens. TatteredLurker's square joker design but with fixed spacing.

[steep flame]

this is awesome

[agile flint]

I wish I still have the raw file to let you know abt some duplicate frame exist within the animation, but I can't even get single file back from my old drive disk

[safe sapphire]

All good! That's the reason I spent some time on it. More than happy to try and help comb through it to try and resolve any issues.

[agile flint]

its mostly the older animated one pre my pc being broken, since after that I shift my export method for every animated joker

[opal hazel]

Heya I have just realized I drew Sine fine Venari in a 71x95 format instead of 69x93 like a doofus and 2 of the pixels get cut off the edges, here's the fixed background (and the frame but that might take a while given it's part of the animation now)

[agile flint]

Dw abt it, I alr considered abt that and I alr adjust the art before I put an animation to it (unless there's change when it got implemented)

[safe sapphire]

Here is Square Joker in-game. As we feared, it suffers from repeated frames. I am also struggling to increase its framerate. Also included is a revised square joker sheet. I would really hate having to abandone this design because its really cool.

[agile flint]

is that with the lowest frame speed setting within the animation code? if so I could prolly suggest deleting every even or odd frame number for the moving sprite to sped it to 2x speed

[safe sapphire]

I'll try it

[celest wraith]

why is it so slow

is there too many frames

[agile flint]

thats part of the issue, and beside there's lowest frame count limit (around 100ms per frame I believe) so in the end causes that issue to surface

but am not sure either, since hologram have similar amount of framecount and it doesnt looks like it have the issue, so I also wonder why now

[celest wraith]

the design looks cool

[safe sapphire]

Update

[opal hazel]

looking through the assets, I found the problem I thought might happen: the target thingies are cut off on the end bits (and the think black border is not there but that should be easy to fix), making it look a lil disjointed (image for comparison; left is in-game, right is the render). at the moment I think the squared joker problem is more pressing (got solved? while writing this lol) so this is not a big priority, don't let me slow you down! (also I'm not going to be responding in a few minutes since I'll be getting out of bed n stuff)

[agile flint]

wait, it get cutoff?, I don't even notice it lol, I prolly have cut it all off while I work at it, my bad, I also slightly rerender the frame to make it looks "shinier" but I forgot to inform you

[opal hazel]

the shine thing is good because I can't shade fo sheeet (except if it's leaves for some reason) but yeah don't worry it happens (anyway I won't be responding for a few hours see you later)

[hot plank]

if i make a suggestion on an empty idea do i leave a comment or directly enter the suggestion

[agile flint]

you can directly write it if the space is empty, but if it is filled, just comment it

[opal plank]

yeah

[hot plank]

hear me out

ascended versions of exotics

(ok it's probably a terrible idea since we already have way too many exotics)

[safe sapphire]

It's not something I personally am going to spend much time on until we get the base cryptid and vanilla jokers done. However, if you want to make like an entropic form of an exotic, you are free to do so.

I need to finish the upgrade card but once I do that's a total possibility.

[fervent sierra]

i wanted to do reverse exotics and entropics as like a joke thing and show it in the entropy server but i forgot

[ebon minnow]

2 more messages for 6666

[gaunt crypt]

I Am

Evil

[safe sapphire]

@tribal moth Howdy! For the animation lib, you said that numbers under one would result in a higher frame rate, right? I may have misunderstood, as trying to input numbers like 0.9 and 0.1 completely freezes the animation. Any insight as to what I could be doing wrong?

[river sluice]

yea but I mean, the current entropics are just ascended versions of exotics

which I guess would defeat the point but maybe it'd be interesting if someone did like, a sidegrade to it

[worn loom]

i think my main idea before was to 1. not worry about it for exotics with existing upgrades, 2. if you have a cool idea you can do it but i dont think all exotics need upgrades

the inversed/beyond version of ascend can just turn the corresponding exotics into their entropics

idk how youre going to handle other versions of ascend for crossmod with other mods but i think for entropy specifically it should be the inversed consumable of it

[tribal moth]

I didn't say that; t= only takes positive integers

[safe sapphire]

I see. So when you said, "You can change the duration of each individual frame to all be the same number to change the framerate, but only with integer values; and the highest framerate is always 10fps (or lowest frame duration is 0.1 spf)", 1 is suppose to be the highest frame rate which is 10 OR 0.1 spf.

[tribal moth]

Yeah, t= is a multiplier of the frame duration per frame

I'll clarify that in the documentation

[peak escarp]

Aplistia-ish

[worn kindle]

uhm i got bored and made tghis. i dont wanna draw hands but the idea is to have the hand come in to sign the thingy. (seal the deal exo art 1st draft)

[opal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-mountain-top-mountain-mountain-range-wind-gif-12834632201688728871

[safe sapphire]

That looks good! Please post the full Joker once you are done.

[worn kindle]

also idea for python exo effect because the brainworms are bored: this joker gains ^0.32 mult when a code card is used. every 5 code cards, increase the gain by 0.32 (0.32 could be switched for any number really, i just wanted some number references like primus)

[opal plank]

this is really good

like, gameplay-wise

maybe the scaling starts at ^0.16 and increases by ^0.08 per 5 code cards used

[peak escarp]

Can joker arts be added to the artbook before being added to the mod?

[peak escarp]

Or, being programmed or,,-- uh,--
...
The answer is yes, isn't it.

[peak escarp]

Entropy section added!

[safe sapphire]

Thank you for posting it there. We really need to upgrade the doc

[peak escarp]

Yeah i don't blame you. It feels like a mess!

[coarse blade]

updated

[tribal moth]

need to fight the urge to just have Flesh Panopticon X be Sisyphus (Ultrakill)
but like it makes sense guys hear me out, when you "defeat" Flesh Panopticon you get a thing that gives you an exotic and if sispyhus is in that pool too then things come back around thematically

[safe sapphire]

Added the Square Joker Ascension: Dimensio Quattuor to the Github! Still need to add the name section to the tag, but the info was included. This might be the only Joker with tetration we have, and unless you have a double scale or oil lamp, I think it's pretty balanced all things considered. It also makes for a really good reason to pick up Square Joker if you are going for a high score run, which I consider a win for the goal of the project.

Probably gonna do the sunny joker ascension next as it will lay the framework for Entropy Jokers (With the tag I mean)

[safe sapphire]

Also posting a thought here. We need to do something to indicate which cards can be ascended with ascension. While we of course could do something like juice up viable cards, I think it would be really neat to do something like superfine has done with their transformation card.

[agile flint]

Yeah, knowing which one able to be ascended gonna be quite nice considering we arent slap dash making everything available to be ascended on a single update

[safe sapphire]

Not to mention compatability with other mods

[agile flint]

Oh yeah that too

[river fjord]

im seeing double 🤯

[coarse blade]

aaaaaannnnnddd it's peak

[fervent sierra]

tuff, which joker is this supposed to be?

[river fjord]

seeing double

im straight up seeing it

and by it

lets just say

my double

[twin oasis]

I think the newest release is crashing my game on startup

I'm not sure why, anyone know the reason? I saw square joker ascended was added and so I downloaded the zip and added it in like normal but the game will no longer open

[safe sapphire]

That's unfortunate. Can you send the crash report?

[twin oasis]

I am not sure where those are, my game closes entirely nothing balatro related left opened. And if its in the files somewhere i'm not sure

[safe sapphire]

That's very odd. Is it only with this new version that this is happening?

[twin oasis]

Yeah, I have a bunch of other mods in here too. ie Cryptoposting, Enthropy, Brainstorm, Cryptid, Talisman, and smth else I think. But yeah its only this new version that this started happening

[safe sapphire]

Can you do me a favor and disable any mods aside from cryptid and its essentials along with ascensio and see if it runs?

My guess is that brainstorm might be a potential conflict issue as I didn't test with them

[twin oasis]

yeah one sec

Still crashes. Only left Cryptid, Ascensio, Smods, and Lovely in

I think i got it working now

[safe sapphire]

What did you do?

[opal plank]

"cryptoposting, enthropy" i love these these should be shitposts in cryptposting- oh wait

[hollow nymph]

is users allowed to freely change the effect that require re-proposal?

[opal plank]

i think so? @safe sapphire yes right

[twin oasis]

It was a strange talisman issue apparently

I went into the files and changed it to omeganum

[safe sapphire]

Yes, feel free on those

[river fjord]

wait so would i be allowed to put my name under artist for superposition and seeing double yet or do i do that once its actually in game

[agile flint]

you could put it down there since no one claimed yet and/or did resprite

[grizzled tiger]

are the exotic forms listed in a table (i.e. square joker = dimensio quattuor)

if they are, i have code i can send

[peak escarp]

The brainstorm sheet.

[agile flint]

Rendition for Steel X, this one kinda fry my brain because I want it to have steel sculpture, but my brain denying me to make it just a statue or abstract sculpture so I just take dreamcatcher and metalize it (also the slight animated iridescent background inspired from anodized titanium steel sculpture)

[river fjord]

maybe you dont select and then use but use and then it highlights every ascendable card while darkening everywhere else idk

[river fjord]

absolute cinema

[peak escarp]

First 'animation.' Like, ever.

[grizzled tiger]

lovely patch:

[patches.pattern]
target = "functions/common_events.lua"
pattern = "for _, v in ipairs(info_queue) do"
position = "before"
payload = '''for k, _ in pairs(ascensionable) do
  if _c.key == k then
    info_queue[#info_queue+1] = {key = '{whatever the key for the ascendable tooltip is}', set = 'Other'}
  end
end
'''
match_indent = true```

make sure you have the ascendable tooltip in a localization entry in the other category

oblivion's for example

im thinking something like

Ascendable

• This Joker can ascend into an Exotic form

[safe sapphire]

Thanks, will give this a shot!

[peak escarp]

Iliakos

[opal hazel]

yeah I like this name better (my name was more of a joke anyway 🌞)

[agile flint]

Now animate the face

[celest wraith]

wow peak

[celest wraith]

peak work like always

[agile flint]

Rendition for Banner X, the animation for the flag really killing me to figure out and more putting stripe texture on it is such a hassle

[karmic bough]

Jimbonation

[coarse blade]

add a joker on the flag

or make the colors more jimbo themed

[grizzled tiger]

oh yeah does the code i sent worl

work*

[safe sapphire]

I think what you have now is wonderful! I do think we can strengthen the imagery behind it, though, if it wouldn't be a hassle. To me, Banner and its effect about not using discards communicates to me the idea of charging headfirst with head held high into battle. To combine it with hssr said, would it be possible to pair what you currently have for the banner with a Joker holding it proudly and defiantly? Apologies if this is a bit much. No pressure either way. Once again, love what you have done already!

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, havent implemented it yet, will defintly look at it tommorow at the latest.

[safe sapphire]

Also, the primus sprite has been offically changed so we are free to make primus with the old sprite now

[opal plank]

this is what happens when you pair cryptposting and ascensio 😭

[agile flint]

Its fine, it is actually my first idea before I settle it to that one since I'm kinda worried it'll look a bit cluttered , here's the re-rendition of it based on what my first idea is

[opal plank]

peakkk

[steep flame]

i love this

[safe sapphire]

Thanks a thousand for your help! I think I got it working!

[grizzled tiger]

hellll yeah love to see it

[agile flint]

Ascension Canadite, is that implying the mod is canadian /j

[tribal moth]

idea for ace ae mortal

not final product but this has been on my mind for a while

[steep flame]

oh this is great

[safe sapphire]

@nocturne ridge Saw you took up the code for sunny joker's exotic. Is it finished? If so, can I see it?

[modern marsh]

so that's why on github isn't any releases?

[safe sapphire]

I want to save a release till we have about 1 in 5 vanilla and cryptid jokers having an exotic counterpart so you actually have a good chance of using the feature in a run.

[opal plank]

please for the love of GOD close your tabs

[modern marsh]

ohh

[modern marsh]

NEVER

[opal plank]

watch later on youtube exists for a reason 😭

[modern marsh]

nah i dont like that, better open another

[opal plank]

see this is my "a lot of [media]"

243 videos of "i'll watch it later"

[safe sapphire]

For some reason, next(SMODS.find_mod('Entropy')) isnt returning true even with entropy installed.

[opal plank]

odd

[safe sapphire]

I think I figured it out. It's looking for the ID instead of the name. I guess I was just lucky with astronomica.

[safe sapphire]

Added the first Entropy Ascension: Solis to the GitHub! I also added a name feature to the mod tags. Still need to go back and add the names, but it is now set up to do so. Will add them when the idea and name sections list two different people. Otherwise it will fall under idea.

Will add the entropic version next when the art is ready, so I have an excuse to make the transformation card. Before that, I will grab that triboula ascension art I was working on and finish it so it can be added.

[iron cipher]

Cool but in entropy drac pihsrebmem is like x600 ascension power now and it's just a inverted legendary Joker which is intended to be made less stronger than exotics
Maybe make it a scaling one like how membershipcard - duplicare works?

[safe sapphire]

I don't think that is the best benchmark to measure power. Even in base cryptid, the loyalty cards have always been majorly overpowered compared to their rarites. That being said, it is significantly lower. Do you think it should be around ×200?

[iron cipher]

fair (i just thought of googol play vs membership card moment)
i think making it scaling would be cooler since entropy doesn't really have many scaling ascension power jokers
you decide tho that was just my opinion

[river fjord]

this would be like an epic at best in entropy

hell solar dagger could easily get more than this and its a rare

so i think x222 asc would be better

[opal hazel]

what about ^22 (or ^12) Ascension power, since Antireal joker exists while only being an epic and it can get up a significant amount of ^ascension power while being 2 rarities below Solis

[river fjord]

yea i think ^12

but again antireal is pretty op for an epic imo

[river fjord]

eh changed my mind about an animated card i just realised how shit i am at animating

[worn loom]

honestly contemplating nerfing antireal

but the main reasoning is that without a shit ton of joker slots you cant get that much

its like starfruit being epic or happy house being uncommon but quirkier

[peak escarp]

Hopefully this atlas works. The animation is 10 frames per second, with the face switching every second.

@safe sapphire ?

[opal hazel]

tbh I think the problem is that Antireal giving ^Ascpower is that it's just too strong for an epic, like maybe it could like give XAscpower or ^ the base factor instead of regular power* (and i'm honestly suprised there aren't any legendary+ jokers with ^Ascpower)

*this might be a bit drastic of a change for one joker

[worn loom]

helios is ^^asc with extra steps

but yea

i do need to add more exotics to entropy itself so therell maybe be some scaling ^asc or Xasc

^asc is more powerful than ^mult or chips but less powerful than ^^mult or chips

[steep flame]

isnt ^asc roughly equivalent to double exponentiation

[worn loom]

basically

[safe sapphire]

I will give it a shot. It maybe possible to have multiple framerates. If not, I will just modify it to accomadte the higher framerate.

[safe sapphire]

Gonna fix Solis now. I think scaling mult Asc would be the better option rather than a plain ^2 Asc. The question is what should it scale on?

[opal plank]

like, conditions?

[safe sapphire]

Right. Like end or beginning of each round, etc.

[opal plank]

okay hear me out

it gains xasc power for every scored card above 5 (4 if four fingers is owned)
so if i play a flush (+1) without four fingers, it gains [number] mult once

[safe sapphire]

That's interesting!

[opal plank]

slightly difficult to code for this mod's standards, but definitely not impossible

also, it's specifically scored cards, so you can't just play a bunch of junk and unscoring cards to increase it's xasc power

now what to scale by...

i'm thinking something like x0.75 to match about the same power as duplicare

though, it may be really powerful

actually yeah hmm

scaling factor can be decided later based on playtesting possible

[safe sapphire]

This is just grabbing the extra card selection number that appears with ascended hands

Compared to antireal and inverted loyaty card, this might still be too underpowered

[peak escarp]

Antireal was changed to be ×Asc in case you didn't know.
Make it gain ×1 Asc for every added card? Maybe more??

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, I guess that change happened very recently. Lets make it 1 and nerf it if needed.

Actually, never mind. With a +asc card, it already does numbers. We will buff it later if needed.

Pushed it to GitHub. Feedback would be appreciated!

[worn loom]

i think this is pretty good rn

btw theres been a few new jokers how does the sheet go in terms of adding those, i might be able to add some of them but idk

new to entropy i mean

[peak escarp]

I think you might just be able to add them if you want.

[worn loom]

alr

after i finish what im doing i will unless i forget

[zinc lodge]

kinda tempted to make ascended forms of my own jokers i've made but idk how to ascend a joker that makes played cards glass and makes glass cards unbreakable

[fervent sierra]

i wonder what inverse ascension would be called

i thought of transcension but that might be lazy

[peak escarp]

Trancend/trancendence is already taken by an omen.

[fervent sierra]

OH

[peak escarp]

Supervene is fancy, but the definition itself is kinda dull.

[fervent sierra]

reincarnation sounds pretty cool but i'm not sure if its already taken

[safe sapphire]

@peak escarp Now that the effect changed for the exotic, do you have any thoughts on what the entropic should now be?

For sunny joker/solis I mean

[peak escarp]

Having it be like the first ^^asc joker sounds maybe a bit excessive..
It definitely would up your card selection limit, and have a stronger version of its previous effect..
Maybe the increasing operator thats on the brainstorming doc has a say in this..?

[safe sapphire]

I did see that. I didnt know if you wanted to update it based on this recent change to the exotic.

Oh

I misread

@opal hazel Any ideas on how we can change the effect on the doc to better pair with the new exotic sunny joker?

[peak escarp]

Having the operator increase based on how many extra cards you play for the hand is interesting... is it possible to have a decimal {_}?

[worn loom]

btw i had a funnier idea for reverse membership entropic

^^2e-8/2e-7 Ascension Power for every year the sun has left in its lifespan

which works out to either ^^5 or ^^50

[zinc lodge]

ok this is funny as fuck

[worn loom]

flat ^^ entropic is kinda unprecedented but tbf

its really funny

so i think its fine

[peak escarp]

(For reference, The Sun has about 5 billion years left, and i dont suppose time passing has any influence on the effect)

[worn loom]

you can code it to actually be accurate to whatever year computers let you go to

which is funnier

but yea

in your entire lifespan you wont see the number meaningfully change

[tribal moth]

oh wait did someone else already claim ace ae mortal artwork?

[agile flint]

Pretty sure no one showed up to claim it yet nor it alr showcased here if I remember correctly, so you can still bring up your idea, I could check but that have to do later this day since I have flight to catch

[opal plank]

i did

but yours is a lot better, so

[tribal moth]

shit, my apologies, i didn't spot it

[opal plank]

yeah let me find it

it’s mid so yeah yours is much better

[tribal moth]

huh

[peak escarp]

lolololol
I like the implications of this joker.

[agile flint]

Oh, this is old

[opal plank]

yeah

it was originally meant for the trading card exotic iirc, but was scrapped because it generally just wasn’t great

so it instead turned into the ace aequilibrium mortal

and now uhhh it’s nothing lol

[outer inlet]

is it just me or does this highly strive from the original joker

[fervent sierra]

i don't really know if every ascended joker's ability has to always be a direct parallel of its mortal form

[safe sapphire]

While it is leaning a hint away, I don't think it is too far off. The base Joker was just a simple + asc, and it still has that aspect of giving you unconditional asc once it has been built up. The only difference is the gaining aspect of it, which has been done for other ascensions in a similar way to the mystic summit exotic. There was an idea to make it like ^2 asc but that felt a bit lack luster in my opinion

[agile flint]

Too add imo ascended joker doesnt have to be one to one, but having it reminisce to the og is enough to make the ascended version not too confusing and for you to be able to make intuitive choice on what to expect when you want to ascend joker on your roster

[safe sapphire]

How about this: We keep the effect as it is for the moment and use it to base the entropic version. If entropy in the future adds a Joker which does something similar to this, we will port Solis's current effect over to that Joker and move to a ^asc effect for the sunny exotic.

[opal plank]

hmm honestly i’m conflicted at this point
i did not know the effect of the original joker whatsoever, and therefore didn’t really know the theme of the joker. now that i know that the joker’s effect is just a very simple +asc power, i’m considering the fact of graveyarding my own idea due to it being too dissimilar to the original. something like “^1 Ascension Power, gains ^0.05 Ascension Power when an ascended hand is played” may fit the theming of the original joker better, but also has the side-effect of making the ability much less interesting for the player. so… yeah i have no idea what to do here to be honest

[safe sapphire]

Let's just go with that. It may not be as interesting, but it's more faithful. We can bank the current Solis idea for later.

If no one has any objections for this, we will make this the final change

[opal plank]

i feel like you’re getting really good at coding btw

you whipped up the first iteration in like record time lol

[safe sapphire]

TBF, the idea wasn't hard. The difficult part was just finding the variable that stores it. In all honesty, I have to thank you, Glitch, as I realised one of your jokers from your stuff mod used that variable, so it was easy to grab and utilize.

[opal plank]

oh yeah i… i think i stole that from something but like i don’t remember

-# but also who doesn’t steal code

[safe sapphire]

Uploaded the new Solis to the Github

For the Entropic sunny, what if it had like ^^2 asc, but it also acted like 9999999 sunny jokers for jokers that look for them?

Maybe the exotic should also count as like 10 sunnys?

It seems like sunny jokers are like the jolly jokers of the mod which would be similar with what I was thinking for jolly

[peak escarp]

You're talking about things like these two that look for sunnys, right?

[safe sapphire]

Right

Thought the later is specificly about the edition

[opal hazel]

well here's a more balanced take on Entropic sun based on how solis works: {1}4 Ascension power, increase operator every 4 Ascended Hands played (keeping in line with the likes of Atomikos and Dekatria)

-# then again it could also be 'increase operator by 1' but that would probably make it too busted with value manip jokers

[opal plank]

…no

[opal plank]

do you have any semblance of balancing like legitimately

i know i’m sounding like ruby/cass when they’re mad but like seriously this is like common sense

sob

in any case uhh yeah no lol

[opal hazel]

well then you're gonna hate the effect that's on the doc originally, also entropy has scaling opoerator jokers your comment makes it sound like you don't know about them

[opal plank]

okay but scaling operators on an exotic is buffoonery

[opal hazel]

I JUIST SAID THIS WAS THE ENTROPIC

[opal plank]

oh, when?

[opal hazel]

...the first line of that reproposal

[opal plank]

in that case, that’s fine

[opal hazel]

well here's a more balanced take on *Entropic *sun

sorry for crashing out

[opal plank]

mmm i see

again, in that case, this effect is likely fine

imo entropic jokers are like 22exomythic4mecipe and above rarity jokers in cryptposting lol

they don’t just go “oh a smidge up from exotic” no they annihilate every sense of balancing possible

which is fun and this fits imo

[opal hazel]

i'd say moreso 2exomythic4me for most of the entropics like Parakmi and Xekanos, but yeah ones like Dekatria and atomikos can get up to 22exomythic4mecipe rarity I agree on you with that

[steep flame]

my god

[worn loom]

dekatria is basically the best joker rn in like any mod since every other operator scaler is capped or removed

its like the only joker that actually lets you get to {1e7} and {1e8} ingame right now

basically any better joker will only be useful for getting dekatria and its setup faster

[steep flame]

asgard is roughly equivalent and a bit easier to scale

operator can also be upgraded directly with demicolon so the strat is to just retrigger demicolon a bunch of times

[worn loom]

well yeah but how fast

[steep flame]

well with the right setup potentially hundreds of operators per hand

[worn loom]

not fast enough

you can get to {1e7} in one hand

[steep flame]

also triggers per card instead of during joker scoring

[worn loom]

i actually did it before

[steep flame]

mhm!

with a pretty difficult setup 😭

[worn loom]

this is kinda irrelevant i just wanted to mention that

operator scaling thats fast is the best type of joker you can do

anything thats better is probably just better because it lets you get there easier

[steep flame]

ive still never been able to get the right dekatria setup

getting the perfect glitched dekatria is really hard

[steep flame]

clearly you havent seen this unused joker in my mod /s

okay fr though this is all very off topic

[opal hazel]

does Atomikos not do a similar thing or does it have a cap?

[steep flame]

atomikos caps at how many poker hands you have

so you cant really go higher than pentation usually

[worn loom]

not really

this is false when the requirements reach 0

it's specifically hardcoded to always scale then

[steep flame]

also dont high operators not even work anyways

[worn loom]

I really really love a super small oil lamp being the way to get stronger so I did it twice

[worn loom]

they should

[steep flame]

when i was playing around with the modified version i used in my mod that you helped me with it was calculating hexation as the same result as {250}

[worn loom]

cause it caches the result once per hand unless you clear the cache

[steep flame]

so i just assumed you hardcoded it to not work above pentation

[worn loom]

otherwise it gets way too laggy cause it constantly recalculates the chipmult score

[steep flame]

that vaguely makes sense

[worn loom]

you can just empty out the table to clear it it's not super fancy

playing a different hand works too since the cache is based on the current mult and chips

[neon hill]

me and a few other people had an idea for a riff-raff ascended variant where it makes 1 random negative rare+ joker when blind selected

[river fjord]

a bit of stuff for exotic code joker
timings for frames:
normal state lasts 2.5 seconds
each frame of it glitching out lasts for 25 ms each
the frame where it is completely gone lasts for 1 second
and it glitching back in is also 25 ms per frame

mb if this is too complicated

forgot the 1x

[opal hazel]

heya uhh I wanna try my own take at the border, anything you'd like me to add? (this won't replace your border submission unless you want it to)

[river fjord]

eh nothing in specific just make it look more tech-themed

obviously still keep the colour scheme

[zinc lodge]

is it possible for a mod to add its own ascensions

[opal hazel]

yep, just add a tab for the mod to the https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CzgAkELf1Jv1bqPsgVdEh_bjD4VXXSh03VPYKUxAJ0E/edit?usp=sharing sheet, and the names/effects of it's jokers.

[opal hazel]

-# (and work will be done eventually if it gets approved & stuff (probably) )

[zinc lodge]

oh, i was doing it for a currently unreleased mod that i just have for personal use

[opal hazel]

ah, right well in terms of actual code for ascended jokers I am not knowledgeable enough so I'd ping Ruby or MarioFan, they'd probably be more knowledgeable on this than me

[zinc lodge]

ah

[worn loom]

i dont know anything since i didnt do any of it on my end

but also

i update the entropy part of the sheet

and atomikos is properly updated too

with universum marked as its descension

which is accurate

[zinc lodge]

the joker i was making was an ascended left and right blueprint
i decided to make it so when the ascension copies a scoring joker that scores {a}n chips/mult, the joker will instead give {a+1}(1+(n-1)/10) chips/mult
that's probably too strong even for an exotic though

[safe sapphire]

If you want to add an ascension from an external mod, you will need to add your the joker that is being ascended and the ascension itself to the ascensionable dictionary. I imagine you would be able to do that through a lovely patch.

[zinc lodge]

ah

[nocturne ridge]

No, a hook is sufficient.

Also I'm pretty sure that not even a hook is required if the mod has a higher priority.

[opal hazel]

here's a over-the-top border (the pixels are transparent so they should fit over the black to create a nice effect)

here's a less stuffed alt if the bar effect is obtrusive:

-# And just for fun, this thing

[opal hazel]

and I redid the bg cause why not

[safe sapphire]

Just posting this so I can grab it on a different system

[river fjord]

YOOOO

also keep the bar effect

yea so your bg and border can replace mine ig

[safe sapphire]

Quick question: did that face have any greator meaning other than being a Joker face?

[peak escarp]

Canvas rendition (missing the animatedness of its blueprint and brainstorm cousins)

[safe sapphire]

Not everything needs to have an animation. I think this looks wonderful if you are good with it!

[peak escarp]

If you wanna add it, then go ahead.

[agile flint]

I agree not every exotic need to have animation since to start, the precedent in cryptid not even have any exo animated, it just a flair if you want to do smth extra and in my case for both blueprint and brainstorm it just because it feels too little when you dont animated them because they are both static things and beside adding more details gonna make the design unreadable for my standard, so I have to move it to animation

[agile flint]

I wonder if I can animate the the center "sheen" with parallax so for it to have that classic old monitor interlacing effect, also code typing will probably not hard to do for me to make some flair to it, idk, I probably need to finish Cryptposting's Infinitum first before trying diff things , oh also since every layer cast shadow to the one below it, I wonder if it is possible for all code joker not having one, but that'll make it looks kinda weirdfor negative edition isn't it hmm

[river fjord]

nah i just want it to be a glitchy joker face

[outer inlet]

ascensio should get its own server at some point

[coarse blade]

@safe sapphire

i mean

i'm already working on it

so