Ascēnsiō v.0.1.1

[opal plank]

let me like

do that

[summer valve]

Photo would probably just be ^2 instead of X2 but not sure about chad

[opal plank]

uh, no

no

WHAT, THIS IS AGREED ON?
The first played face card gives ^2 Mult. If all cards played are face cards, instead give ^3 Mult.

[summer valve]

Ok my bad

[opal plank]

no what that is insane

good lord

idk how mario feels about it, i wonder what his opinion on it is if he did actually agree on the idea

[steep flame]

i dont think its bad

[opal plank]

i mean

i don't think it's horrible but like

[steep flame]

i think its better than the exotic hanging chad idea

[opal plank]

come on, are we really gonna have ^2 (or ^3 for crying out loud) mult on score when we have this
^2 Mult if played hand contains a Pair.

and this one is in-game

[steep flame]

also, has anyone started art on the exotic for "like antennas to heaven" yet?

[safe sapphire]

Looking through the post history, having trouble finding where I agreed to that.

[safe sapphire]

I dont think so?

[opal plank]

wait, i may have misunderstood
it says "in-development," which is aboved "agreed," making it look like if it's in-dev, it's agreed

the only reason it's in development is because of the fact that it has art

[safe sapphire]

Thats it

[steep flame]

i think itd be really cool if the art for the exotic version for it utilized the album cover for the namesake of the original card, "Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven"

[opal plank]

that would be quite cool

[steep flame]

honestly would be a missed opportunity if it wasn't

[opal plank]

also, this is a bit nitpicky, but can i move "agreed" above "in-development" on the picker thing in this case? i don't believe it will affect how anything displays, just how it'll look when clicking on the dropdown box
might make for less confusion regarding this
-# reply ping intentional

[safe sapphire]

Sure. We may infact want a seperate category for "has art"

[opal plank]

maybe "has code," "has art," "ready"?

[safe sapphire]

That works

Just throwing this out there as a potential idea. What if demicolon's exotic was the omnicolon? I think its a natural fit.

[steep flame]

perhaps, would be much harder to draw though but maybe i could try

i already had signifigant trouble drawing the regular one lmao

[opal plank]

omnicolon 🔥

[safe sapphire]

No worries either way

[opal plank]

btw can i just delete the "We aren't doing blinds" tab

there's functionally nothing there other than this idea for violet vessel
"Comically large blind" Additional ^n size (n = ante x 2)

[safe sapphire]

Yes

[opal plank]

all that and i still haven't done anything for exotic hanging chad

oh i put a line break

well

it's something

(okay let me actually lock in rq)

-# (this is not hard 😭)

made taurus's localization actually pop up and made the dollar amount actually mutable/functional because why not

oops it should be dark_edition not chips

well in any case yea

actually idk if this should be a thing

it's funny but

@safe sapphire what do you think? should the amount of money needed be mutable?

one sec

[steep flame]

id keep money immutable tbh but thats just ne

[worn loom]

round the dollar amount down when you do it so math.floor(G.GAME.dollars/factor) * chipsperfactor

[opal plank]

i’m just doing (dollars / dollars_needed) * chip_thing if that makes sense

[worn loom]

yeah same thing but with a floor added so that its consistent with vanilla jokers

[opal plank]

(i’m away from my computer for a sec so this is pseudocode at its finest)

[worn loom]

if thats wanted

[opal plank]

why would it need a floor?

[worn loom]

because 5 chips for every 2 dollars you have implies that you need atleast 2 dollars for it to work which is how it works with vanilla

and it only increases every 2 more dollars you get

[opal plank]

it's ^0.01 chips for every $

[safe sapphire]

The original bull has its money immutable, so that was my reason for keeping it at $1

[opal plank]

fair; though, a lot of vanilla jokers have random things immutable (shoot the moon, fortune teller, etc)

i'll make it immutable though

[safe sapphire]

I was also debating the ^0.01, could probably be nerfed to ^0.001

[opal plank]

honestly no

i think ^0.01 is good

[steep flame]

agree

[opal plank]

oh yeah forgot to mention that hanging chad's exotic is coded

(i mean it was the easiest thing ever lol)

gonna push the fix for taurus's loc, then pr hanging chad with placeholder art

[steep flame]

i could do demicolon pretty easily i think but i wont do that unless it becomes agreed

[opal plank]

for some reason vs code really doesn't want to push the loc fix

so time to do it manually

[safe sapphire]

@agile flint I know you mentioned you wanted to work on hanging Chad. Would you be fine with someone else doing temp art until you restore your setup?

[opal plank]

i mean temp art that anybody wants to create is fine too

i just mean i'm gonna pr it with the standard "placeholder" card art

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha, I just would prefer if we replaced it sooner vs later and that later may be awhile depending on how fast tatteredlurker is recovering.

[opal plank]

yea

me when my code is somehow so bad that i immediately crash upon obtaining it

[errant gust]

proud of this one

[agile flint]

Oh I wonder where the reply ping and what it is, sure! and be my guest, I mean its community effort anyways. Its prolly quite a while before I can go back too :)

[indigo helm]

^1.5 for the first and last played face cards, if all played cards are face cards, gains ^0.5?

[errant gust]

https://i.imgur.com/5ziwMX6.png this one too

[outer inlet]

hi guys

[opal plank]

it is surprisingly difficult to code a hanging chad that just has 20 retriggers

it keeps crashing because i cannot for the life of me find a context or anything for the first scored card

[opal plank]

@safe sapphire the four fingers exotic really doesn't seem very powerful for an exotic
"All Flushes and Straights can be played with 2 cards"

(btw, hanging chad's exotic has been pr'd and is now waiting for artt)

[wintry owl]

make it give ascension power if a flush/straight has more than 2 cards

[worn loom]

that would already happen

[wintry owl]

but even then it kinds still seems underwhelming?

[worn loom]

regular four fingers can already give ascension power

if you play a 5 card flush/straight

[opal plank]

yeah

[outer inlet]

Four Fingers Exotic
All Flushes and Straights can be made with 2 cards
All cards in Flushes and Straights give +4 Ascension Power

how about this

[worn loom]

still not really that strong

[opal plank]

btw, only reason this was hard was because i didn't know the contexts required to make it work
hanging chad's code was weird

[outer inlet]

we could make it XAsc

[opal plank]

this is okay

[outer inlet]

but then thats like entropic

from entropy

[worn loom]

its just like anything that revolves around making flushes and straights easier as its main mechanic will not be powerful enough for exotic, that should be a side point to the main ability that synnergises with it

[wintry owl]

dude

you gave me a idea

[outer inlet]

phew i thought that dude was dissapointment

[wintry owl]

no but like the idea sucks LOL

[outer inlet]

okay now im dissapointed 🗣️

[wintry owl]

flipsided ascend or whatever its called

ascensio but entropic 😭

[worn loom]

idk what youd do for that other than a form of beyond that converts exotics to their entropic based counterparts if they exist

like crustulum -> ieros

[steep flame]

oh god

[outer inlet]

ascensio but cursed

[wintry owl]

maaaaybe?

[outer inlet]

that exists in this forum btw

some mod

[worn loom]

crossmod compat is something i wanna do at some point anyway

[wintry owl]

how can i make this about entropy 😈

[outer inlet]

mortal entropics

[worn loom]

it sucks because i had an idea for zodiac based jokers which might be encroaching on this mods zodiacs a little but the ideas are really cool so im really torn on whether to add them or not

[outer inlet]

would actually go kinda hard

[worn loom]

i dont know how the creator will feel about that

[ebon minnow]

We need an = exotic
Actually nvm it's worse than + which is on only 1

[wintry owl]

just make fake ones

[worn loom]

nuh uh

[wintry owl]

people made yor, you can make those too

[worn loom]

i mean not like anyone owns zodiacs but i dont wanna add the exact same thing

[wintry owl]

fair

[ebon minnow]

Change your username to "Mmmmm Mmmmm'm mm mmmmmmm mmm"

[outer inlet]

yep

mhm

i condone this

[wintry owl]

mm

[outer inlet]

bros username is speaking like hes eating something

[wintry owl]

mmmm mm

[outer inlet]

what

[wintry owl]

mmm'mm mmmmm mmm mm

[outer inlet]

what

[opal plank]

m

[outer inlet]

true

[steep flame]

my microwave be like

[agile flint]

I got bored waiting for my setup to be fixed so I just redownload aseprite on my laptop and just draw this with my mouse, I can say it is far from greatest experience than using my drawing tablet, but anyways, rendition for exotic hanging chad, cant really do weird experiment like usual so this will do for now

[errant gust]

am i submitting good ideas

[safe sapphire]

I don't think you should have to sell the exotic to get the effect.

[errant gust]

shrug. its a candy, it's still on theme for it to have a on-sell effect

[safe sapphire]

Most on sell joker effects instead will have the effect trigger when another joker is sold.

[agile flint]

I just have random thought, is it possible to trigger certain joker animation or sprite changes on trigger condition? Because I have an idea for say : exotic demicolon to do "swirling anim" when it "force-triggers" and stop when it idle, might be interesting, but prolly its needing too much thing to execute 🤔 (I mean not like I prolly do it soon with my condition rn, but anyways )

[safe sapphire]

Yes, it is! I believe I should be able to get that to work. I would speak to Riley about demicolon art, though, as they have been working on a rendition of it.

[steep flame]

really cool idea yeah

would be kinda hard for me to implement though

also

probably beyond my artistic capabilities

i might just let someone else do demicolon art

[agile flint]

Dw abt it, I just mention it as example (though I might need to be more clear of that mb) I just remember of one experimenting sprite change with primus back then (idk if its alr implemented or not) but that give me an idea, for now I can only think of demicolon since it simple looking, I prolly do smth else for others if that option is possible, though idk if we need to make separate sprite for idle or triggered state 🤔

[agile flint]

Exotic photograph rendition so I can say the Photochad exotic combo is done

[wintry owl]

exotic hanging chad and exotic photograph yaoi

[fervent sierra]

ascended bluestorm when

[agile flint]

I had an idea to make it looks like CAD interface for blueprint just because I studied architecture as my major back then, and for brainstorm, I worked on it a bit until my disk drive failed and rob it from me

[steep flame]

for exotic chicot, i think i could code it pretty easily, but it depends on how it replaces the blinds, does it replace them when you enter the blinds, or when you enter the ante?

because if it replaces them when you enter the ante, that might be hard

i also still think the effect for exotic perkeo isn't great, i would actually consider it weaker than regular perkeo

[river sluice]

whats the effect now, I'm not at my computer

[steep flame]

creates a negative pointer at the end of the shop

[safe sapphire]

Chicot is "All Blinds are small Blinds. √ Blind Size."

[steep flame]

yeah chicot is what i meant for the first one

does it replace the blinds with small blind when you enter the blinds or when you enter the ante

[river sluice]

Well considering pointer is kinda bad yeah

well in this state

[steep flame]

yeah

i would literally never take that as an exotic

id rather have base perkeo

[river sluice]

Maybe the actual effect should be "creates negative versions of all non-Negative consumables at the end of each shop and after every booster pack"

[steep flame]

especially since pointer printing itself is not a fun mechanic or gameplay strategy

[river sluice]

isn't pointer also like mega nerfed now too

[safe sapphire]

First I heard of this nerf. Whats been changed about it?

[river sluice]

Idk I just personally felt like it doesn't give as many consumables anymore

Like I tried to summon gateway but it blocked that consumable

when it previously was ok with it

Don't take my word for it though just consider the all-consumable duplication

[steep flame]

yeah

[steep flame]

i like this a lot better

[safe sapphire]

I guess that would also stay truer to the original effect.

[coarse blade]

sorry for taking so long

but good shit

[agile flint]

Dw abt that, you can add to it further since I'm not really satisfied with it yet and I cant really do much considering my condition rn, and beside, I use the camera part that you've render as image anyways, so I still need to mention your effort there :)

[coarse blade]

yeah thanks

uh

really regret having the camera be so fucking bright lol

[agile flint]

Ngl I brighten it even more in mine just because it'll improve the contrast with the whole photo film

[opal plank]

no, anything you may have seen about nerfs in-game rn are all bugs

for some reason, aliases are completely borked rn and so you are unable to create a ton of stuff

this is unintentional; pointer is NOT getting nerfed in madness/mainline(?) afaik

[opal plank]

what

pointer can literally create anything what are you on about

[steep flame]

i just find the effect underwhelming and kinda boring

[opal plank]

“underwhelming” okay, but how is it worse than perkeo’s effect

like it’s just better in nearly every way, no?

[steep flame]

perkeo can do the same thing if you already have a pointer

literally the only thing this changes is that it gives you a free pointer

at least functionally

[river sluice]

Even still I think sticking with the perkeo theme is better of creating all negative versions of consumables

[steep flame]

i think there's much better ways to utilize perkeo without printing pointers anyways and the exotic kinda forces you into that strategy

[opal plank]

maybe? i do think there’s a better way to go about it, but i’m saying that this effect is literally not worse than perkeo at all

and i have no idea why riley said that

[steep flame]

i didn't say it was worse

[river sluice]

creating pointer cards isn't really a fun strategy

[opal plank]

i’d rather have base perkeo
why else

[steep flame]

just that it wasn't much better, and that i would personally rather have perkeo

I'm speaking subjectively, not objectively

[steep flame]

yeah

[opal plank]

and tbh i feel like this is quite boring as well

[steep flame]

though i would really not want to argue about this

[opal plank]

arguing is fine tbh

[steep flame]

i just don't want things to escalate

[opal plank]

lemme see if i can’t come up with a good effect

[steep flame]

this would be much easier to come up with if speculo didn't already exist lmao

[opal plank]

yeah fair

i do think it should still relate to consumables though tbh

[agile flint]

Idk chat, I might be hating myself so much by making this entirely with mouse . Anyways, rendition for exotic golden ticket, officialfem had an idea taking the direction from wonka golden ticket, so I go with it, ngl kinda difficult for me to separate this into three different layers with sufficient readibility, so I just add the frame to the left and right of the ticket just for flair and let only the text "golden ticket" separate

[river sluice]

holy CHRIST that's insane

fuck you mean you did this all with a mouse

[agile flint]

yes, I am not kidding on that part, I prolly speedrun carpal tunnel problem with this one

[wintry owl]

how

[agile flint]

It is quite simple animation so it only take me 3 hrs fighting my mouse against the software

[worn loom]

pixel art with a mouse is not that much more different than without a mouse cause you usually need to be super precise anyway

not to downplay it, its cool but like

i do everything with a mouse too

[tribal moth]

wdym you're speedrunning carpal tunnel how are you working 😭 ???

[agile flint]

This is very true, I just feel it easier to do with tablet since it let me have my ideas transferred faster, which is quite handy oftentimes :)

[agile flint]

I dont have my pc setup rn (since yknow), and believe me my laptop setup is so jank I'm kinda surprised my arm is not twisted by now

Anyways, thats 5hrs gone, Imma out for today

[velvet widget]

LWTS GOOOOOO

[safe sapphire]

Simply insane! Amazing work as always!

[safe sapphire]

Finally finished my last final, so work on the project can now be resumed! First task I want to do is do some cleanup of the code. I think it would be best to itemize each joker/consumable so it will be easy to work on and edit. Given how we will have like 300+ jokers, I think it would be best to avoid scrolling through the code. After that, I'll do my best to catch up on the jokers for all the amazing art that has been submitted. I also need to figure out how events fully work so we can finally reimplement to the moon's exotic.

[hollow idol]

now thats a golden ticket if ive ever seen one

[fervent sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-dancing-monkey-vibing-monkey-jumping-monkey-vibe-check-gif-27025323

yaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!

[limpid jewel]

hey if im using poltorworx would ascension still delete jokers if i have the saint

just curious

[safe sapphire]

I believe it shouldn't.

[opal plank]

my finals will likely be done in ~ a week, so i can also work on coding for ascensio a little as well again
additionally, i would like to ask: how should we sort the lua files? obviously there’s vanilla and cryptid, but how else could we sort them; 150 jokers in one lua file seems like a lot

[safe sapphire]

I was gonna just have one joker per file

[opal plank]

oh good heavens that’s worse imo

tbh i feel like it’s better to not do that

maybe like

hm

we could do something like this:
items/vanilla/[10.lua, 20.lua, 30.lua (to separate them by 10s maybe?)]
items/cryptid/[10.lua, 20.lua, 30.lua]

maybe

idk i just feel like putting everything as its own lua file is kinda annoying and a general nuisance for coding

[safe sapphire]

I don't think it's that different then sorting it by 10s. Is the annoyance just from trying to find what you want to edit? My thought was just naming each file after each joker would make it easy to find.

[opal plank]

possibly; though, it would be a lot of individual files in the mod for absolutely no reason, and having to create an entirely new file for every joker just seems redundant to me

i’ve personally never tried coding a mod for it though, so maybe it could work out

[safe sapphire]

Paperback uses this system and I dont think they have had any issues with it

[opal plank]

morefluff does as well; i just find it to be kinda annoying
again, i’ve never necessarily tried it though, so it might not be that bad to work around

[safe sapphire]

I might make it a seperate branch then for the time being so we can judge how it feels.

[safe sapphire]

Added Tatteredlurker's Charta Electionis art to the GitHub! I also created a seperate branch for the itemized jokers for those who have helped with the code to get a feel for it!

[coarse blade]

entirely by hand
me when i fucking lie in the court of law

anyway holy shit that's good

[tribal moth]

I don't see a problem with it; it might even be better since it reduces the amount of scrolling within a file (i.e. improved navigability) and keeps things separated with higher certainty

[agile flint]

I prolly not gonna touch the art for jolly to crafty joker also the legendaries because I feel it'll be better to do them thematically like the "sum ..." jokers and I am very bad at doing consistent theming for series of joker

[celest wraith]

Michelus Magnus: x15 Mult. Have a 1 in 60 chance to go extinct at the end of round. Once it extincts, it ascends, and become Cavendisius.
Cavendisius: ^3 Mult. Never goes extinct.

Videre Quadplex: ^2 mult if hand contains a Club and a scoring card of any kind, ^8 Mult if hand contains all 4 suits. Retrigger each card correspondent to the amount of suits. (For example, 2 suits means two retriggers.)

Floripotens: If your hand contains all suits, the first card gets retriggered once, the second cars gets retriggered twice, so on and so forth, capped at 5 retriggers. Retriggered cards gain x5 Mult.

Chaos Imperium: All rerolls contribute to Chaos Power of this joker. Each reroll gives +5 points, when reaching 100 points, Chaos Ensures activates, and all Jokers have x100 chance in that shop to become Blurry, Astral or Negative. Resets after each bind.

Some idea i have

I don't know if it is even half good

[agile flint]

My rendition for exotic castle "Arcis"/"Citadel", I suppose I haven't seen much of Half-Life references here, so the moment I see proposed name for castle means citadel, I just remember Half-Life 2 Combine's Citadel in City 17 and rest is story

[blissful finch]

what is that?

[velvet widget]

THAT LOOKS AWESOME

OMG I WAS THINKING LIKE A CASTLE IN THE SKY BUT THIS IS EVEN BETTER

LORD

for the love of god keep making art

[agile flint]

This tall building in that game I referenced :)

[indigo helm]

that border looks so fucking sick oh my goddd

[blissful finch]

huh

[opal plank]

Holy shit you have me speaking in capitalization

holy fucking shit this is so good

genuinely what the hell

save some talent for the rest of us

(or don’t because then you won’t be as peak)

[wintry owl]

My jaw fucking dropped

How .

[ebon minnow]

Peak

Unbelievable

[outer inlet]

PEAKK

[agile flint]

Wip for "JokerCAD" exotic Blueprint (Hyacintho Progressus), it's only the UI wip for now since I am very sleepy to continue

[opal plank]

woah this might be peak

[worn kindle]

one stray grey bixel

[worn kindle]

im gonna explode bc of this

[worn kindle]

also gotta recognize peak. the uneven dithering at the bottom compared to the taro like dithering at the top. so yummy, so good, cant wayt to crash my game with it.

[void tapir]

its peam…

tattered i think that that this will be one of the best mods ever in terms of art

because of you :3

[steep flame]

that reminds me

i am dropping the demicolon art

i dont think my art skills are good enough for this mod lmao

if anyone wants to play around with my ideas heres the aesprite file but i dont mind if yall start from scratch either!

[worn kindle]

i dont have aesprite (or whatever thing that is uses this file) what is the main concept for the art?

[river sluice]

just gonna screenshot the spritesheet

[steep flame]

heres an export

[river sluice]

also better

[steep flame]

the idea was to have these vines wrapping around the whole card

with the stake icon in the middle, and the large demicolon as the soul (the purple corners are placeholders)

someone mentioned potentially using an omnicolon for the soul sprite instead of a demicolon but thats beyond my capabilities

[void tapir]

what if the commas spun around the middle when triggered…

[steep flame]

i love that idea but again, beyond my abilities

which is why im dropping it and letting someone else take over

i can't do it justice

i can 100% help code it though

but i wont code it until it gets approved

[karmic bough]

absolute peak

[safe sapphire]

From what I can see, the effect is fine. Just to clarify, though, you are saying it force triggers everything, then goes onto normal scoring?

[steep flame]

Same way demicolon works, but it goes through every visible (compatible) card instead of just the joker to the right

at once

or

sequentially i guess

[safe sapphire]

So essentially, if you have it as the rightmost joker, it runs through the entire hand again?

[steep flame]

Yeah

at least that's the plan

[safe sapphire]

I think that's fine. I will give it my approval! Definitely worthy of exotic status, especially when combined with jokers like blueprint. If you want to work on the code, please do so in the itemized format. I have it seperated for the time being so people can get a feel a note if anything feels off with it, but if there isnt any problems this will be the format moving forward.

[steep flame]

alrighty, thank you!!

[safe sapphire]

Greatly apperciate any and all help with this project!

[steep flame]

im glad to help!

[safe sapphire]

Quick question, what is the easiest way I can get Ascensio to load in after cryptid without changing the name?

[steep flame]

I'd assume changing the load order

iirc cryptid's load order is 114

so anything after that should work

[safe sapphire]

Coolio

[safe sapphire]

Edited the cry credits to instead display Ascensio. Also updated the mod description! For the moment, all changes will be made to the itemized branch, so while its still up check there to get the latest version!

[agile flint]

I could take this and forward with your idea and ofc with your agreement, I prolly wont change the middle part into omnicolon either since it is quite noisy and a bit too much it might be just a sun in my head (which also considering drawing space and pixel size), but I have an idea to make the tangled vines some make opening for eyes (well similar to abstract card design) which could make it more terrifying and trigger inducing (haha get it?) I prolly change the stake icon into a flower since it is vines afterall, I will animate the demicolon icon and turn it into some kind of creature since it is kinda what ppl are looking for, prolly also let the vines hold into poker related stuff, but thats all the idea I have for now, and this prolly gonna have lower priority for me since it is not mainline balatro lineup, but anyways this is alr pretty decent as the art for the exotic demicolon :)

[steep flame]

of course! that would be absolutely amazing, thank you!

[agile flint]

You're welcome, I much rather refine ppl's alr established idea than starting one myself since I can let some of my braincell stay active (/j), but ngl it let the idea for joker art direction much more "colorful" imo :)

[steep flame]

Yeahh definitely

You're an absolutely amazing artist

[agile flint]

Thanks, but I am not one, I just have some flashing thought I want to draw, and that surely won't work everytime :)

[brisk violet]

Brainstorm -> Thinktank
Thinktank
(Exotic)

Copies the effects of all jokers to the left of it and retriggers itself 2 times

[agile flint]

Oh I forgot to ask, @safe sapphire , for some of my joker art that animated and implemented, are you following the gif composites or just stack all the existing sprite frame, since for aseprite it won't let me to output duplicate frames that can work as animation delay which I'm afraid will change how the animation looks, I'm not so sure since I havent been playing the mod for much beside the earlier one :)

[safe sapphire]

I have been going just frame by frame at the moment. I might be able to find a way to stay on a single frame longer

[agile flint]

I see, I hope I dont feed you too much burden with some of my animated joker art, and I hope I'll discover better way to output the sprite soon (though I havent found any lead yet), I thought of exporting the frame by frame per layer element but I thought it will take forever to stitch it together again

Ok I found the solution, I need to export it either by row / by column since packed setting force the duplicate frame to be merged but doing so will make the sprite sheet either very long or very tall (I mean it make sense, but I wish I can toggle it off,) I'll prolly do it for my future animated joker, I could do it if for the golden ticket and castle exotic if you need it, just hit me up, but for the past one I cant really touch it since it is on my dead drive disk and I havent done restoring my old setup

[agile flint]

Ok this sprite sheet looks so borked but atleast it is better than reading the composite gif frame by frame because some duplicate frame getting merged

[velvet widget]

Unrelated

But how about get a cyberpunk reference in one of these?

[agile flint]

Ngl I sort of planned similar things, not really tied to the "Cyberpunk" IP but the aspect of it for exotic four fingers which I plan to be cyberpunk-ish hand prosthetic (considering the proposed name), but idk maybe theres other joker I can fit it into :)

[velvet widget]

I just love playing a game and suddenly AH AH THERE IT IS THE THE CHARACTER FROM THE GAME

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[agile flint]

I love it too, but I also need to consider the actual joker before and the proposed name to make it make sense, also I dont really consume digital media that much so I could be missing out on making interesting reference, just fill me in if smth have a nice tie in (or you could just write a comment to the artist tab in google sheet :) )

[fervent sierra]

are ascended cursed jokers planned to still have negative effects or will they become positive

[velvet widget]

Ahhh yesss

The cataclysmic jokers

[velvet widget]

ofc broski i will 100% tell you, and imo yeah, the cards should be faithful to the theme more than refs

Imo a good amount of refs, at max, is 10%

[agile flint]

I wonder if we'll just skip it because some have started the cursed joker project which is kinda antithesis of ascensio but it just my personal take 🤔 , it is kinda feel wrong imo to make cursed joker lost their charm (at being cursed)

[velvet widget]

I would LOVE cataclysmic jokers

What if after having made the mod, this mod partners with thw cursed joker one so that the cursed versions of the exptics are cataclysmic jokers too

im getting ahead of myself

[agile flint]

Imagine if exotifying cursed joker make it just a normal joker since well, its a tier better than cursed I guess (/j)

[velvet widget]

Well

[steep flame]

I would like to know too so i can rewrite exotic chocodie

[velvet widget]

That would make sense

Ask mario

@safe sapphire

Uhhh

Is it this one

[steep flame]

because rn my draft for exotic chocodie has all the effects being better than the original

[velvet widget]

That would make sense

[steep flame]

but if we're doing calamitous jokers i wanna rewrite it so the lower sides are, well, calamitous

[velvet widget]

CALAMITY

that was the word

forgor

[fervent sierra]

Vectigalia ("Taxes", Cataclysmic Monopoly Money)
Lose between $1 and $10 when spending money, and 1 in 2 chance to destroy purchased items
After 2 rounds, sets money to $0 and self destructs.

[velvet widget]

That would also make sense, but I feel like since it's exotic, wouldn't thwre be less down aides?

Sides

Fuck

[steep flame]

it'll be a d20 instead of a d10 but

the good effects are better

and the bad effects are worse (if we're doing calamitous that is)

[fervent sierra]

cataclysmic ghost would be like a zombie apocalypse or something

[agile flint]

That prolly could work by making every joker in the slot become perishable, kinda in theme for it ngl

[steep flame]

also i tried making a draft for my idea of the art for exotic like antennas to heaven but the album cover doesn't really translate well to pixel art, at least in my attempt i also lost the draft but it's whatever

[steep flame]

ohh true

[velvet widget]

entropy has the king in yellow as a cursed joker but like when we eventually get to it can we make its calamitous version themed on griffith

[tribal moth]

Do we have an idea for a common template for the hand chip/+mult Jokers? I.e. Jolly etc - or will each of those Joker have completely unique artwork

[agile flint]

Ngl I personally prefer them to have consistent theme like "Sum etc. etc." Jokers for the sake of readability, I dont have any template idea for them yet since I am very bad at setting a template though

[tribal moth]

I was thinking that if we could get an idea going for the general template of those Jokers, I can do the elbow grease and storm through all of them just to get them out of the way and all that

(Might not be a good idea for me to solo this actually that's like 26 Jokers or smth)

[agile flint]

Yeah that'll gonna work great, I do expect it to be tedious soloing all 26 of them, but ngl if that gonna make all of them thematically consistent it prolly will be better imo, but dont force yourself though :)

[safe sapphire]

To be honest, I don't have that many ideas on what we can do for the type mult and chip jokers. The best thing I got atm is to add the type xmult background to each and then just make exotic versions of the regular and +chip joker to color.

[river sluice]

Could be like, they're all ascended versions of themselves with more patterened designs for their clothes and like, having angel or devil wings

[safe sapphire]

A devil and angel motif definitely could work! Especially when comparing red to blue.

[agile flint]

I thought of using their hand type they representing as the background, but that'll be problem for the one with similar card like 3ok to 5ok, so I graveyarded that thought

[limpid jewel]

what does defectus do

[velvet widget]

defy gravity

idk its random

[tribal moth]

ooh wait, and then they can hold out those little card icons that represents hands, like they're offering you a gift or smth

[velvet widget]

For the ascended egg, I suggest this

[fervent sierra]

randomly applies +/X/^ 1-200 chips/mult when triggered

theres probably a better way to describe it

[karmic bough]

i love how if it unfortunately lands on 1, the only beneficial operator is +

[worn kindle]

^1 mults you

[karmic bough]

[worn kindle]

[agile flint]

Ngl for egg I alr did one in way back that is series of egg formed in Newton Cradle (why? Because the proposed name means cradle and Newton cradle sounds like a good nod)

I could prolly tune it up a bit with some dithering effect now I learn abt it because it is a bit plain because I kinda want to signify contrast there, but anyways

[velvet widget]

That sounds awesomer

[river sluice]

I mean maybe they are holding the hand type in one of their hands or it floats around them

[opal plank]

hey, @safe sapphire, could we have it so that ideas vetoed by you are removed from the sheet entirely? this would open things up to new ideas because, currently, photograph has art, i’m willing to code, but the idea hasn’t really been approved or rejected by you, so i can’t really do anything

if so, it would be greatly helpful if you went through the doc and removed vetoed ideas because i would really like to know what to work on in the first place

[safe sapphire]

That's fair. I do think we should have the old idea in one form or another though to see what needs to be changed

[agile flint]

Gotta love big timelines (my head hurts )

Also that so many layers now I realize

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, I will be busy the rest of today and tomorrow. Will be back on task after that.

[opal plank]

alr

[agile flint]

Take your time, no need to apologize to do things thats more important :)

Also, just finished my rendition for "Hyacintho Progressus" a.k.a. Exotic Blueprint, this one kinda wrecks my brain a bit for what I want to do with it, but to sum up I just illustrate and animate a bit from what I remember of using AutoCAD back then

[opal plank]

fucking lord it's so peak

not sure if the ideas has been agreed upon yet though

[agile flint]

The ideas havent agreed upon yet, thats true, but the name is still intact and I reference much from it than what the card do though for this one, but also, stray art that waiting to be used will prolly better than not having any when you need it (/j)

[thin heron]

holy peak

[opal plank]

yea, the only reason i am mentioning such is because i am then unable to code anything for it

[velvet widget]

DEVOURED

[agile flint]

My architecture degree finally matters (/j)

[velvet widget]

😭

[safe sapphire]

Simply amazing! This project is so lucky to have you on board!

[agile flint]

You're welcome, I'm just really interested for this mod especially because the premise is simple yet captivating for me, so I would be glad if what I'm making can also help this project moving forward :)

[safe sapphire]

I will try my best to get the code side finished asap.

[opal plank]

i was actually kinda thinking of doing it; though, i just wanted to check if the current ability on the sheet is agreed upon

[safe sapphire]

I think we need a new effect. I agree with the thought of the coments that it is just canvas. Whats your thoughts on it?

Wait, you called it canvas 2

So we agree

[steep flame]

i agree with adding a new effect

[safe sapphire]

Idea: What if exotic blueprint just made a copy of the Joker to the right at the start of the blind?

Not sure if it should be just doesn't care about room or it be negative, though the former would better differentiate it from speculo.

[hollow idol]

ascensio just being carried by peak art what is this

very nice

[worn herald]

i love this mod sm, looking forward to seeing what you have cooked up for the other vanilla/cryptid jokers

[fervent sierra]

lowkey you are carrying the art for this mod and i love it keep it up

[opal plank]

how about this

Retrigger Joker to the right 3 times
Duplicate the Joker to the right at end of shop
(Must have room)
-# reply ping intentional

-# (i think i forgot to reply ping)

[safe sapphire]

I feel like this isn't as powerful as Canvas.
What about this:

Retrigger Joker to the right for the number of copies you have of it
Duplicate the Joker to the right at end of shop
(Must have room)

[opal plank]

that 100% works

also brb

[steep flame]

would this be the same for brainstorm too?

except it'd be leftmost instead

[velvet widget]

what if one of them retriggered the card it targets for the number of cards there are between them or to the left of it

[steep flame]

yeah

[safe sapphire]

Actually, thats a great idea!

Exotic Brainstorm:
Copies the abilities of the leftmost Joker for the number of Jokers between it and this Joker
At the end of shop, create a random Joker of the same rariety as the leftmost
(exotics and higher excluded, must have room)

The difference now between exotic blueprint and exotic brainstorm is that while the former locks you into using a certain joker, the later is a bit more free form in exchange for a little less power

[opal plank]

i did not forget guys trust me

[agile flint]

Time to whip out a simple one after blueprint, surely it'll be simple

[steep flame]

gonna be hard making a joker literally called "magnum opus" 😭

[opal plank]

literally gonna have 500 frames of perfection

[agile flint]

Nah I wouldn't do that, I prolly would die first before I can do that lol

But yes this is for "Magnum Opus"

[opal plank]

yea

[agile flint]

Ngl idk if I want to make the center artpiece literally a famous painting or just a joke art

I kinda have an idea to try to mimic Monalisa but with Jimbo's head before, but I think it'll be cursed

[outer inlet]

you're gonna make bibically accurate fucking green joker after this istg 😭

peak dude

absolutely peak

[agile flint]

The closest I will do that prolly for demicolon and that deriving from riley's idea, and I prolly will bash my head against the wall when doing it /j

[steep flame]

LOL

my bad

[agile flint]

That's for future me to worry about and I alr subject myself for some of these joker art, one more wouldn't make much dent to my current sanity

[steep flame]

fair

[agile flint]

Ngl I'll prolly try it after I'm done with bluestorm combo since I dont want to forgot abt it

[steep flame]

that's hype

I'm excited to see what you do with it

I'm quite excited to code it too

hopefully it's as easy as i hope it is, rather than being as hard as it probably is

[worn kindle]

i got aseprite so now i can art but GOODERER

and also my FINALS ARE DONE after i finish some things up but SOO

SOON

[worn kindle]

why is 100% size making the pixels 2x2

[agile flint]

Prolly the pixel aspect ratio thing when you boot up new project but am not so sure, because I havent got that problem yet 🤔

[velvet widget]

I don't remember if someone asked already, but will there bw a toggle that will allow players to decide whether the ascension pool is mixed with the exotic pool or not?

I've seen most complaints about the addon being that it makes finding the better exotics too difficult

[worn kindle]

yeah i think that should be implemented

maybe have the rarity be asc_exotic instead of cry_exotic

or howver the code formats the dumnb

[safe sapphire]

You mean for gateway?

[worn kindle]

i mean i would assume for gateway (maybe also wprmhole deck)

[velvet widget]

Yeah

And wormhole

[safe sapphire]

Let me first get in that ascension deck I mentioned. That should solve the problem of finding the exotic you want.

[worn kindle]

should i try to make art of stone heart (exotic bloodstone)

im bored

[worn kindle]

is there a stabilizer?

[worn kindle]

i shouldnt cook smh (spoiler because it uses stuff that kinda resembles blood)
just the foreground rn

also i found the stabilizer

any thoughts/critiques

[safe sapphire]

It doesn't really look like a rock to me. Also, shading could be better on the blood.

[worn kindle]

yeah im using mouse so fair enough

[safe sapphire]

It is mostly the contrast between the light and dark tones. Either lessen the difference between them or add another in-between shade boardering them

[worn kindle]

fixed that and added some cracking lines. sending in a bit

[steep flame]

what's mortal gemini's art?

[worn kindle]

the old art for gemini

[steep flame]

ohh thats peak

[worn kindle]

new version

forgot to spoiler

personally, i love it

gonna finish shading blood

[steep flame]

w

[opal plank]

used to be the actual art for gemini iirc

then it got changed to 3 layers and a little different

then of course the gemini we know now

[steep flame]

yess i remember

i started playing cryptid like a week or two before it was changed to current gemini

[opal plank]

wow

i joined this server when there were 5,200 people in it

[worn kindle]

wow

made the center heart be the light source for the blood, should probably make the dithering on the stone match maybe

[worn kindle]

good news there is now loss in the joker poker

i will let you find it

(updated stone dithering)

[worn kindle]

aight now time to figure out how to draw a bat

i made rudimentary bg and mg so uhh i made the art

1x layers, 2x layers, 2x final

fuck its offcenter

bg kinda meh tbh but whatever im proud of the rest

[safe sapphire]

If nothing else, I like the border design you made.

[worn kindle]

thanks! feel free to copy it.

[safe sapphire]

Let me see if I can get blueprint in tonight

[tribal moth]

ooh, this is pretty cool

[safe sapphire]

Trying to put this art in, but the spacing on the spritesheet is wrong. I think it's 46*62 instead of the default 71 by 95 (That's including a one blank pixel border). I think the same thing happened with your exotic square joker. If possible, can you take another look at how you output the sheet?

[opal plank]

looks fine to me

(transparent squares are 71x95)

[safe sapphire]

The dimensions are 694 by 619.

[opal plank]

of the entire spritesheet?

[safe sapphire]

Yes

[opal plank]

the dimensions, in 1x, are 1065 x 950 for me

something may have imported wrong

[safe sapphire]

I think I figured out what happened

My stupid internet loaded a lower resolution version for me at first, and decide to save THAT instead of the actual image

Thats on me

Makes sense that is what happened with square then given how both images were the same size for some reason

[opal plank]

yea 😭

[safe sapphire]

Got it displaying properly now. Will finish it tommorow.

[opal plank]

peak

[dawn nova]

Does ascensio have a discord or is it just here?

[wintry owl]

I think it's just here for now

Maybe if it gets a bigger audience of sorts, it might get a seperate discord server? Don't take my word for granted though, I'm not a part of the creators of this add-on

[dawn nova]

Thanks crab man

[agile flint]

The one with square joker and previous animated one, It's when I still output the sprite using Packed automated setting in aseprite so it might look a bit off and incase of square might coincidentally look similar to another one :),

[agile flint]

Wow, this looks kinda cursed as I imagined

[karmic bough]

is that the Joka Lisa

[agile flint]

It is indeed Joka Lisa

[opal hazel]

I had a perfect ⁽ᶜᶦᵗᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿ ⁿᵉᵉᵈᵉᵈ⁾ idea for the madness joker but I can't sprite on the level of the rest of you guys so I made an overdesigned AF vector drawing instead, I call it EXPURGATUS (rhymes with Grahkon)

less transparannt 'hair' alt

(and here's a backgground and frame)

[humble sky]

i imagine exotic madness would be a ^mult that destroys all of your jokers but gives one of them eternal, encouraging you to do a slow build instead of buying everything in the first shop

[agile flint]

My rendition for "Magnum Opus" a.k.a. Exotic Brainstorm, I got a solution to do animation tweening and animated perlin noise natively within aseprite, now this will mitigate some jank when I have to do animation via after effects first (not all, but this is quite a breakthrough for now) also, now the Bluestorm combo is done

[blissful finch]

I didn't have candy as:

1. I'm from England
2. It says candy in Latin

[worn herald]

i’m not only interested to see what other exotics you guys are cooking, but also what you have cooked up for the mortal versions of existing exotics (specifically tenebris, that could be an interesting mortal joker)

[blissful finch]

golden joker + negative joker

but probably +3

had an idea, then i forgot it

[river sluice]

maybe for steel joker exotic

[opal hazel]

Speaking of which here's my pitch for exotic negative joker:

Oppositum Scurra: X4 joker slots (recalculated when slots increase/decrease), Connsumables can naturally spawn with negative.

[blissful finch]

ill try cook smh

[agile flint]

Ngl could pivot this for hollow joker since I mean, it only a frame to start :)

[blissful finch]

yeah, ill again cook smh up

[opal hazel]

and idk one more pitch, for exotic marble joker this time

[agile flint]

You prolly want also comment on the google sheet since it prolly the better way to alter or give an idea because I afraid some ideas can be drowned from the other chat :)

[opal hazel]

Marmor Mons: Stone cards retain their rank and suit, and gain a random unique effect*. create 3 negative stone cards at the start of each round. (also where is this google sheet?)

[agile flint]

You can check the pin :)

[opal hazel]

got it thanks 👍

[agile flint]

Np :)

[blissful finch]

Imagine this as a bottomless pit:

[opal hazel]

also uh is it possible to create ideas that already exist on the table (both marble and negative have effects already)

[opal hazel]

(both are still pending)

[agile flint]

You can via rightclicking the cell of the idea written then select comment, the cell with written idea is just to mark smth have an idea, we usually screen it in consideration of the cell comments before agreeing to implement it

[blissful finch]

Joker stencil exotic:

And the 2x scale

I could animate the second layer

what do you think?

this is my take as i did this before i realised it had art

[tribal moth]

That's pretty clever for the theme

[blissful finch]

thx

I dont want to replace someones art so i hope thism fits another joker

[wintry owl]

I thought we had a stencil exotic?

Unless it's getting a resprite

[blissful finch]

I said we did

[blissful finch]

here

[opal hazel]

I've posted some effects and names for exotic Jimball, exotic Hunting Season and an effect for Fissura Duplex (exotic spectrogram), alongside some alternate effects for the likes of negative joker marble joker and madness if anyone wants to take a look

[worn kindle]

nice

[agile flint]

Now we gonna do the demicolon, this gonna be hard isn't it (I just touch up a bit of riley's work yet just to get an idea what I'm subjecting myself into )

[opal hazel]

random prideful thought my favorite idea I posted is Sine Fine Venari (exotic hunting season) tho it might be a bit op since it basically adds ^1.1chips to all cards if you put an ace in the middle maybe it should be dividing by 15 instead of 10

[worn kindle]

that looks good, only nitpick being the background being pure white, but otherwise, awesome work.

also i have idea for exotic arsonist name. "anima ignis" (soul of fire)

[opal plank]

please tell me the mona lisa isn't off-center

[wintry owl]

needs more colons

[grizzled tiger]

name ideas:
Mondrian -> Ars Temperantiae (Art of Restraint)
Bus Driver -> Magister Itinerum (Master of Travels)

and a funny one:

Boredom -> Strenue, Quia Impatiens Sum (Vigorously, Because I'm Impatient)

[worn kindle]

if youre fine with me lying, it isnt.

im suffering too dw-

[opal plank]

tatteredlurker should drink the mysterious liquid in situla (it's pure ^mult)

[grizzled tiger]

Waluigi and Wario could be Purpura Hostis and Hostis Aurei (Purple Enemy, The Enemy of Gold)

put these in

[opal plank]

cool

[agile flint]

It is not gonna be white I can assure you, I just touch a bit before I have to go out

Wait rong reply bruh

[worn kindle]

im gonna sneak in loss into as many things i make art for as possible

[grizzled tiger]

do we like these names

[worn kindle]

yeah is good

[agile flint]

It is offcenter, atleast the "Joka Lisa" since the one reference I use with also offcenter, as for framing I think the dithering shadow make it looks offcenter, though it looks fine in my eyes 🤔

[worn kindle]

also dionysus bg not even done and i feel like im cooking

[grizzled tiger]

new name for clash

[worn kindle]

can yopu find the loss

[opal plank]

i see it

[grizzled tiger]

just did nuts, unity, swarm

[worn kindle]

awesome

[grizzled tiger]

also a new suggestion for the stronghold's name:

Sum Inexpugnabilis (I am impregnable)

[worn kindle]

have i cooked with the bg so far?

[grizzled tiger]

"immobile" doesnt really scream fortress to me

[grizzled tiger]

yesss!!

[worn kindle]

tyty

finished bg i cooked so HARDD

[opal plank]

p good

[worn kindle]

im gonna suffer with the face part of it but im still super proud

added radial likes like in the thanatos one im COOKINGG RAHHH!@OUIY&GYD ESU

so happy with it

and im drawing with a mouse

[grizzled tiger]

hellll yeah

[worn kindle]

im gonna have some trouble with the face so if anyone would want to do that or help we do it that would be appreciated.

anyways i made a sketch for the mg (corners not done yet)

the top vine kinda resembles a halo made of 2 intertwined grapevines, and the other 2 vines are just there for the grapes.

yeah this is the best 20 bucks i couldve bought i cook so hard with this

[worn kindle]

(me buying aseprite)

im gonna color it in now

[agile flint]

I think this is enough strands

[worn kindle]

enough, but also loks sick as hell. maybe add a little color variation or maybe even radial gradient and see where that would go. just a thought

also i decided to make the vine halo be on the joker layer for dionysus. gotta get the thingy saved rq hollup

gotta finish the grapes up a bit but here it is as of now

also made the wood into the bottom corners

can someone send or bump the font used for thanatos?

Also any constructive criticism or nitpicks or whatever would be very appreciated

fixed grape colors

this is actual peak

again, constructive criticism would be great

[agile flint]

This is eldritch af (and yes, imma animate all those eyes)

[agile flint]

I'll prolly add darker outline to entire mg (by edit>fx>outline) and choose color that slightly darker than the darkest you use there so you can signify its presence better (maybe using this setting, ignore the color)

[worn kindle]

Kk just eating some let line pie then I'll do that

Key lime

[agile flint]

wait a sec, did the mg also part of the frame? you might need a trimming a bit after the outline to make sure there 1 pixel space on every side :)

[steep flame]

this is so peak

[worn kindle]

yeah, ill trim it so its good.

yeah, peak, and uhh good luck XD

done. still need the text for dionysus, and also the actual face itself.

rate the peak

[steep flame]

w

[agile flint]

Holy (also wrong reply again lmao)

[steep flame]

love the grapes

[worn kindle]

tyty

accedentally made the grapes on a higher layer but itll make it moar peak trust

[grizzled tiger]

W

[agile flint]

I believe the og legendaries not even have the font consistent so you prolly want to just eyeball it, also afaik jen from polterworx have made usable font template for legendaries though you prolly also want to credit him later if you do :)

[worn kindle]

i will eyeball it

[agile flint]

yeah I prolly would rather do that since it's not a lot of letter anyways (and you have the chance to style it as you want )

[agile flint]

I just have and idea, prolly try to add single pixel hilite to some of the grape using near white bluish color leaning to top left side of some of them (not touching the edge), it'll prolly looks nice :)

[worn kindle]

okay, will do

anyways peak upgrade number m

\

[agile flint]

Peak

[worn kindle]

made the grapes glint towards the center. anyways, the joker part of it can be procrastinated for only so long, i dont trust myself with that kind of peak, can someone else make the joker?

[agile flint]

I purposely skip it since I know I prolly wouldnt be able to make consistent theme across the exotic legendaries, Mario once made the Thanatos, so you prolly want to talk to em' for that

[worn kindle]

ah. they are offline, so i will put the current aseprite file in here so someone else can make their version.

[agile flint]

prolly upload the exported sprite instead since not all of us use aseprite (I do, but I prolly wont touch the legendaries unless no one wants to touch it)

Also, this is prolly all I can do for today for the BG of exotic demicolon since I am dead sleepy

[worn kindle]

here is the current file for dionysus. all i ask is to make the vine halo be layered properly with the head.

[worn kindle]

also peak

[agile flint]

Bruh that namefile lmaoo

[worn kindle]

i mean

am i wrong

[agile flint]

Well, you aren't, but still

[worn kindle]

also a lot of the colors i picked for the bg are straight from perkeo's bg

because continuity

[agile flint]

I love that last line

[worn kindle]

i really think i created peak. should we set the dionysus status on the spreadsheet to in progress orrrr

wait thats not an option fufk

well, im still really proud of it. anyone is allowed to use the file and make their own designs for dio. really proud of what i have made.

anyways, looking thru some of the jokers, i want to fix some of them and make them better (only fixing ones that have issues pointed out on the sheet)

exotic space joker just feels like a direct debuff to its regular self. you can potentially get 4 levels from a space joker if lucky. this removes that and gives you an objectively mid buff.

if its hard to see, the current effect is "Upgrade level of played poker hand by a quarter of poker hand level (round down, min 1)"

[river sluice]

maybe how about every subsequent hand played levels up played hand by the amount of played hand

and obvs the first hand gives you one level up

[opal plank]

wdym you can get 4 levels from space joker if you're lucky

[worn kindle]

if you play 4 hands. sr, bad wording

lemme word that into joker language...

[worn kindle]

reworded:
when a hand is played, level it up by the number of times it has been played.

also maybe it could have 1 in 4 chance to level up every hand.

to keep some of the original joker in it and to make it more on par with other exotics.

[opal plank]

okay but like this is a really good idea imo

technically it's self-scaling, but then again, universum exists

[worn kindle]

OHH i misread it as one fourth of a level lol

[opal plank]

oh yeah no

[worn kindle]

also then why is it set to issue on the spreadsheet?

[opal plank]

i have no idea

is there a comment at all

[worn kindle]

there was mine but i removed it (it was just what i brought up)\

[opal plank]

no

i'm just gonna put it back as pending since mario hasn't vetoed it and there isn't any negative comment

[worn kindle]

same with exo superposition, the only thing i can nitpick is its slightly weak and has minor grammar issues

[opal plank]

there used to be a comment there, but i have no idea where it went

[worn kindle]

anyways, the next ones that have issues are the ones for handsize

hm

[outer inlet]

Yorickius (ascended yorick)
+23 Ascension Power
+23 card selection limit

[worn kindle]

all ideas for exo turtle bean i can quickly make up are just pot of jokes but big

[opal plank]

i added a comment for all those hand size ones from mario

[worn kindle]

explodes you /j anyways though we alr have an exotic version of the legendaries.

[worn kindle]

ikik

[opal hazel]

this is the ascensio thread not the entropy thread

[outer inlet]

Killus

[worn kindle]

shuttus uppus
kills you
ascended sob
/j

[opal plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264415972417077339/1320849214900666429/absolutecinema.gif

[worn kindle]

anyways ima make art for against reason while listening to war without reason.

[opal plank]

evil tony

evil?

evil joker?

[velvet widget]

For dyonisus, could resemble the one from percy jackson?

just a suggestion

[thorn prawn]

SUS can be Sussus Amogus

[velvet widget]

sussus amogus...

https://tenor.com/view/spliced-spliced-cartoon-teletoon-among-us-sus-gif-22550478

[fervent sierra]

Deductio Socialis (Social Deduction, cause among us is a social deduction game)

idk i got nothin

[blazing tendon]

ok so like i drew this but i think it looks like ass. i couldnt think of anything better though

[safe sapphire]

I think its an interesting start. A quick question, why did you do the spiral like that?

[blazing tendon]

needed to fill in space and also im an imbecile

honestly ths is fucking awful but i got halfway through it and couldn't stop

[safe sapphire]

Don't demene yourself like that! I think it looks neat! While it is vering a bit off from the fibonacci themeing, I think there could be something here.

[blazing tendon]

i only know how to draw humanized poker chips apparently.

[agile flint]

My idea for it is just elven style decorative arches with fibonacci spiral inside as the core subject, the frame alr decently depict it so it could keep the spiral render but keep the o.g spiral shape, bg and mg gonna want to also to follow to that to make it works though 🤔

[blazing tendon]

i dont know. i dont even want to touch this anymore i hate it

[agile flint]

Well you should be proud because you create smth, not many ppl able to achieve even that :)

[coarse blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKYpxAG49GQ&t=884s&ab_channel=Exattox

[coarse blade]

the spiral fucks hard

[velvet widget]

This looks awesome

[coarse blade]

i like it

[velvet widget]

What if for the like floating thing, the two things like swirl?

All the the tips

[opal plank]

i love this

[worn kindle]

i justn realized, the extra spirals are fibbonacci spirals, so it technically on theme,

my rendition of contra logos (like antennas to heaven exotic) dont really like how the earthmover turned out, love the gun and everything else.

[fervent sierra]

you probably don't think the same but thats extremely cool i like it

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, exotic blueprint is taking longer than expected. Having trouble getting the number of copies of the joker being copied

[worn kindle]

yr good

uhh i did this lemme make it 2x

exotic cut i made for funzies. art is bad but i was just messing around and this occured

i am tisming out these ideas so gooh omg

[velvet widget]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-confetti-yipee-gif-26461456

[grizzled tiger]

Dimensio Quattuor rename to Omnia Quarteria to make a nod to the CMC sheet?

[karmic bough]

We got tetration now?

[grizzled tiger]

in Ascensio yes

[opal hazel]

here's my design idea for the border of Sine Fine Venari (my idea for exotic hunting season), and below it is a rough sketch for the design

(bonus: overlaid image)

(Also who is 'in charge' of approving Ascensio jokers?)

[karmic bough]

Localthunk

[opal plank]

mariofan597

[spring grove]

-# ai pfp :(

[opal plank]

also hi person who made the coral rarity joker in cryptposting

[opal plank]

who cares

[opal hazel]

hehe yes that was me Armored core 6 is underrated go play it

[opal hazel]

Also what do you think of sine fine venari (give me an answer in 2 seconds or a second coral joker will hit the cryptposting)

alright it's been 2 seconds time to make another coral joker

it is done

[karmic bough]

My bad bru

[worn kindle]

like 50% of the art community im pretty sure

[outer inlet]

descensio

everything is cursed

[worn kindle]

is anyone willing to make a further rendition of this? i got the main idea out, it just needs refining.

[agile flint]

Prolly you can ask Oinite for that since they alr did 2 ultrakill exotic before :)

I could touch it but I havent tried ultrakill yet so my interpretation might be off by miles if I am to touch it rn

[safe sapphire]

Check out Adversary for that

[outer inlet]

oh yeah that

[opal hazel]

echoing Hasu's question, is anyone willing/wanting to do a proper rendition of Sine Fine Venari? (also @safe sapphire sorry for the ping but I believe you are the person who approves ideas, so would you mind passing judgement on my idea for exotic hunting season?)

[fervent sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[opal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-sure-mark-grayson-maybe-yes-invincible-gif-20907699

[safe sapphire]

As a place holder I think it's a good start. Is it a specific refrence to something?

[opal hazel]

no not specifically though the green recticle and eyes are kinda a reference to Artemis' crit/marked effects from Hades [and hades 2] (also the idea is for the reticle to alternate between flashing green and white, simple 2 frame thingy)

[safe sapphire]

Not by a computer at the moment to check, but assuming it still has the same connection to playing three cards, we may want to include some symbology of three here as well.

[opal hazel]

it's slightly different in that it destroys the centremost card if the hand has 3 5 7 9 etc cards, but one idea i had was to have 2 smaller reticles to the sides with up arrows in them to represent the buff it gives

also the effect is "If Hand contains an odd number of cards above 1, destroy the center card after scoring, and all scored cards gain bonus [^chips] equal to it's rank divided by 10. "

[safe sapphire]

I that case it's fine. The only suggestion I would make then (and this is totally up to your artistic descreation) is to make the shadow monster thing a horde of a creature like wolves

[opal hazel]

oh uhh the shadow thing is supposed to be a hunter holding a gun (the gun text and the small purple circle which was supposed to be the end of the barrel)

hence why the reticle is coming out of the card direction wise

[opal hazel]

also I'm assuming from your words here, but you approve the effect?

[safe sapphire]

I think the effect is fine. I like the idea of "harvesting" the bounty of the hunt like that.

[opal hazel]

also what do you think of my silly jimball idea (it's basically regular jimball with ^mult but all hand count as most&least played, more importantly it would play funkytown on the violin)

[outer inlet]

Conquestum
^2 Chips for each remaining Discard

Fides
This Joker gains ^4 Mult every 6 hands

[safe sapphire]

I personally perfer my original jimball pitch. Apologies for not moving it to the spreadsheet.

[worn kindle]

mario, do you also have any passing judgement for my first rendition of exotic ...LATH? (art at reply.)

[outer inlet]

also guys should i do ascensio-cryptposting cross mod

[worn kindle]

would put use to the misc tab, sure

spog of approval

[safe sapphire]

I havent played ultrakill myself, but this looks fine. Question, is this the same creature that is in the light up the night art?

[opal plank]

yes i could do this

bulgoe ascension

[worn kindle]

yes. it is the same creature, only this time in the ultrakill level you are fighting it

[worn kindle]

the lath original art is inside the earthmover's throat

[worn kindle]

god

[velvet widget]

his name would be bulgoe 2

and gives 3 chips

[safe sapphire]

I would be totaly up for cryptposting to be our first cross-mod addon

[outer inlet]

no im doing bulgoe ascended

[worn kindle]

and personally, in my art, i dont fully like how the earthmover turned out except for the big pokey gun. to me, its just a base thing until it has full art.

[safe sapphire]

I will leave it up to those who played the game, but should this art be for lath then?

[outer inlet]

should ascensioposting be from ascensio's side or cryptposting's side

[worn kindle]

yes, until someone (prefferrably oinite ||@tribal moth sry for ping, just getting yr attention|| who made the GoFP exo art.) makes a version with a better earthmover.

placeholder and base, basically

[outer inlet]

@opal plank what do you think of advena

[opal plank]

it's good but i'm trying to get the formatting on this page down

also it's 11:27 guys

[outer inlet]

whats 11:27

[worn kindle]

12:27 in my timezone

[outer inlet]

no ts 3:28

[worn kindle]

am or pm

[opal plank]

am

for me

anyway it's 11:28 now

[safe sapphire]

I have no real prefrence. I might only suggest ascensio side since glitchkat has access to the ascensio repository which would allow both of us to easily add content.

[opal plank]

yeah

[outer inlet]

also for advena can bulgoe keep his silly gooberness

precious peakness

[worn kindle]

i made a first rendition of angor subsido art because im bored and my tism screams for somwething to do.

[karmic bough]

perpetual motion found

[outer inlet]

tism seems like a good name

idk why i just like the word tism

anyways continue

:3

[safe sapphire]

Imagine exotic PlayerrKiller having so much text it actually fully fills the screen now.

[opal plank]

i mean

[safe sapphire]

Yes, but more

[outer inlet]

the entire bible

[opal hazel]

if you hover over it it randomly generates several hundred library of babel excerpts in absoulutelly minute text (with randomly allocated colours)

[outer inlet]

changed to bulboe

[opal hazel]

also imma add a joker from entropy to the misc tab because why not

[safe sapphire]

Also, gonna change the spreadsheet so each mod has its own page

[opal plank]

okay cool

[outer inlet]

adding a mortalposting area

for mortal exotics, mythics, etc

bulboe implemented?

this

[safe sapphire]

Unless glitchkat somehow already made it, probably an error

[outer inlet]

@opal plank did you already make it

[opal hazel]

is it ok if I add a page for entropy?

[opal plank]

oops

[safe sapphire]

Sorry, I mispoke earlier, I ment LUTH

[steep flame]

oh, there's gonna be crossmod ascensions?

hype

[safe sapphire]

Defiently. While I was originally planning to focus on them after the vanilla and cryptid ones, if people are passionate about working on them who am I to stop them?

[steep flame]

fair

[grizzled tiger]

how the fuck would oblivion ascensio work

do you corrupt the fucking ascended exotics

[safe sapphire]

I figured it would be just ascensions of the corrupted jokers themselves since you have ones representing multiple jokers.

[grizzled tiger]

well yeah but i think the same principle can apply no?

[steep flame]

how would jokers above exotic work

would they still have mortal forms?

[grizzled tiger]

their mortal forms become legendary / exotic

[outer inlet]

nah they should just have mortal forms

thats what cryptposting does at least

[steep flame]

id prob find having regular mortal forms more interesting tbh

especially for entropic or empyrean jokers

[safe sapphire]

Depending on how many rarierties are between exotic and the rariety in question is what I use to determine if it needs another card

[opal hazel]

Mario sorry for the interupt but is it ok If I add another page to the doc for the Entropy mod

[safe sapphire]

Actually thinking about it, I need to think about how I will handle the ascension for rarities above exotic. I think it would be easier to have a spectral card for each rarity. Ruby suggested that idea that exotics would turn into entropics.

[velvet widget]

Ahhh yes, an addon on an addon on an addon on an addon

[opal hazel]

simple name idea for the card: Trancend

[worn loom]

i think entropics could have mortal forms, and then follow the regular formula for everything else, and then entropic forms of exotics could be something extra

since entropics themselves usually are based on exotics

and yes transcend is a nice name for the inversion

i can provide info on which entropics are based on exotics but it should mostly be obvious

[safe sapphire]

I think this will be the formula we will use for other mods with rarites above exotics

[worn loom]

i think for things transcending into entropic level it would be nice to do some of them but doing literally all of them is probably overkill

but idk a strict formula for it

since most of the exotics already have entropic counterparts you cant just do it based on non ascensio exotics

[safe sapphire]

Not all of them, definetly not suggesting we make entropic forms of each joker

Just for the ones that already have it

[worn loom]

ascended form of surreal joker will be funny

[steep flame]

for astronomica, prob just gonna have mortal forms of empyreans

@safe sapphire should i add a tab for astronomica?

[worn loom]

btw some jokers are missing from the wiki iirc

but i forget which

libra, scorpio and ridiculus absens are

[safe sapphire]

Sure! Would love if you did so!

[steep flame]

awesome!

[safe sapphire]

Since we are basically gonna have 3 layers of cards, (mortal, exotic, higher) I think the solution would be to have a second ascension esq card to handle the third layer and would mimic the cost of those repective rarietes.

[steep flame]

man idk how to use google sheets at all 😭

[worn loom]

btw, you should add a mortal form of the secret zenith joker

it would be kinda funny

[steep flame]

how do you have one cell take up two cells

[safe sapphire]

Merge them

[steep flame]

like this

ah

ty

[worn loom]

btw what are your actual thoughts on this, i would love to do that but do you want me to add it to the sheet

[safe sapphire]

I think it would be fun.

[worn loom]

nice

just add it under mortal forms right

[safe sapphire]

Yes

[worn loom]

Dr Sunshine ->, Inesse, Afflicto, Inconstantia (Anatta, Dukkha, Anicca)
??? (i had no ideas for the effect)

[worn loom]

why is it marked as issue on the sheet?

i can remove it if thats wanted

[safe sapphire]

That wasnt me. Feel free to keep it on there if you want

Also, to keep things simple, if you are making a mortal form for a joker with a rariety higher than exotic, please list both an exotic and a lower rariety version of it on the spread sheet together.

[worn loom]

for the exotic and mortal versions im gonna have to remember the lore for this oc

but its possible

[safe sapphire]

I will try to make a guide section

[worn loom]

Dr Sunshine -> Inesse, Afflicto, Inconstantia (Anatta, Dukkha, Anicca)
Discarded Cards are given a temporary sticker, Gains +0.5X Ascension Power when a card is destroyed Currently 1X (let me know how good this effect is)
(as a note that might be obvious ascension power is extremely strong even without sol/nemesis since its basically x(1.25^(2*Ascension Power)) score)

[safe sapphire]

I think to handle conflicts, we will have a config to either have it be a random chance or from a specific mod when possible.

[opal hazel]

oh uhh sorry I went ahead and added my own take on mortal Ruby, if you want i'll move it into a comment and you can put yours in

[worn loom]

i have no idea what the actual trigger condition for this is

does it mean every joker with credits on it from entropy

cause the only self insert right now is myself

[outer inlet]

poker self insert in cryptposting

(tommorow)

[worn loom]

btw whats the ? under annata dukkha anicca for because i can explain

[opal hazel]

uhh every other joker in the entropy sheet aside from the mortals

[opal hazel]

yeah wasn't sure if that was a direct translation

[worn loom]

yes

the latin name is a translation of the 3 marks of buddhism which are Anatta, Dukkha, and Anicca. its relevant because like Dr Sunshine, the three marks of buddhism are referenced in a will wood song

specifically cotards solution if thats relevant

it also fits pretty nicely with the effect

[opal hazel]

ahh right got it

[outer inlet]

ionized joker +4 iron

[worn loom]

this is not cryptposting lil bro

[outer inlet]

oh wait yeah this isnt suggestion-discussion

[worn loom]

i genuinely have no idea how to ascend tesseract

my first idea was to make mult & chips become quaternions but i dont want to make a useless exotic

quaternions have 4 components btw instead of complex numbers 2

so now your mult and chips would look like
(1 + 6i + 8j - 7k) * (2.4 + 3i - 10j + 6.7k)

[outer inlet]

what

[outer inlet]

this would be funny as a cursed joker

for like another mod

[worn loom]

does ieros even need an exotic counterpart

ieros is based on crustulum

[opal hazel]

idk I just thought up a random idea on the spot

[safe sapphire]

No, just mention its exotic counterpart is crustulum

[opal hazel]

and maybe i thought exotics could be a bridge into ascending to entropic

[steep flame]

how do you add multiple lines to a cell

[opal hazel]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh maybe click tab? idk

[worn loom]

parakmis mortal form would also technically be chaos from entropy unless you want to make something else

i dont really mind

[wintry owl]

what would be the entropic version of ascend

[worn loom]

Transcend

[opal hazel]

maybe an exotic that itself has a mortal form which is chaos

[worn loom]

or i could come up with something else

if thats too similar

[opal hazel]

I think trancend is good enough tbh

[wintry owl]

ooo

[worn loom]

Exalt maybe could work too but it doesnt sound too good

[wintry owl]

would transcend ugrade normal to entropic or exotic to entropic

[worn loom]

transcend is fine its just really similar

[worn loom]

it could work for both idk it depends

[opal hazel]

maybe it could do both?

[wintry owl]

actually fair point

[steep flame]

plz

[worn loom]

katarraktis is technically based on canvas iirc but idk if it needs canvas as its mortal form or not

[worn loom]

i turned on text wrapping but idk if thats what you were asking for

[opal hazel]

then again a mortal form of kata that isn't just canvas 3 or exotic bluprint/brainstorm seems like a difficult thing to make unique

[worn loom]

just make it turn to exotic canvas

[steep flame]

thats exactly what i was asking for ty

[opal hazel]

oh yeah guess there is an exotic canvas

also I made mortal forms for the 'mortal exotics' from the Entropics

[river sluice]

I decided to do a few entropy ascensions

Also decided to swing by and offer up possible edits to the hand size issue jokers

got some astronomica ascensions too which might be fun

[safe sapphire]

Thanks!

[river sluice]

Also did people decide to go anon for the Cryptid Ascension names because it looked like half the names were uncredited

[worn kindle]

no, this is art intended for ... like antennas to heaven's exotic.

[tribal moth]

hmmm

I could take a look at it later after I finish some wiki technical stuff

I have some ideas for how to go about it that could tie well with that rendition

It does also involve featuring the Earthmover in LATH instead of LUTN

[steep flame]

theyre pretty nice tyty

i like mortal tetratia a lot

[river sluice]

honestly I liked that idea too even if it might not be 100% exotic material

[steep flame]

well its the mortal form

so its great as a non exotic

though what exatly does "for the start of the blind" mean?

[river sluice]

prolly should've made it more clear, I meant like, it stores the score when anything happens ofc but at the start of every blind it applies whatever score is stored and doesn't reset

it's meant to be also a scaling joker I just didn't word it properly

[steep flame]

ah

[fervent sierra]

Reincarnatio (Reincarnation, Ascended Chocolate Egg)
Create a random Epic joker when a lower-rarity joker is sold
Create a random Legendary joker when a joker is destroyed
Create a random Exotic joker when a joker is banished

[fervent sierra]

Putrescens (Rotting, Mortal(?) Riduculus Absens)
1 in 3 chance for a card to become glitched when scored
If a card is already glitched, multiply the values again
Randomize probabilities when this effect triggers