Ascēnsiō v.0.1.1

[south monolith]

”Sample large size for everyone today! Come get it right now!”

Exotic Walugi:
All jokers, and when a joker is triggered, gives ^2.5 Mult

”WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!”

-Walugi evolving

@safe sapphire oh yeah, I’d be happy to give lore for these exotics as well, to add more depth

Normal Universum:
-# Epic
Poker hands level up an additional 2 times when leveled up

(Astro rip off? Maybe)

[opal plank]

guys do jokers in a mod for a poker game really have to have lore

[south monolith]

*aster

[south monolith]

DEPTH

this is the literal exotic mod for everything

if this exists, so can lore

[opal plank]

also, i already made a mortal universum that does a very similar thing

Planet Cards are retriggered 1 time upon use

[opal plank]

that is almanac

almanac's story sucks

it literally tries to be edgy

[south monolith]

I’m just offering….

[worn kindle]

blimbky house :)))

[opal plank]

certainly blinky

[worn kindle]

im just watching it like a 3 year old does a fire

inside of it

[opal plank]

bro what is this mortal tenebris idea

"+1 Joker slots. Earn $1 at end of round"

who tried to cook but burned the house down

[worn kindle]

Bro wtff

They cooked the child ig

[opal plank]

29 dead

[worn kindle]

2 found

[opal plank]

239 injured

[worn kindle]

44444 mult

[agile flint]

Its basically philosopical joker with consolation prize

[opal plank]

yeah

[worn kindle]

Yes.

[agile flint]

28 stab wounds

[worn kindle]

30 bees

[opal plank]

@safe sapphire can i suggest an effect to replace this (mortal tenebris) because wtf were they smoking

"+1 Joker slots. Earn $1 at end of round"

[south monolith]

Clockwork Exotic:
Turn all cards played into Steel
All Steels give ^1.5 Mult when held in hand

I would do this:

Mortal Tenebris:
-# Legendary
+5 Joker Slots
+$10 every round

[worn kindle]

What what would it be bamed

[opal plank]

negative joker:

here give me a bit

i can cook

[worn kindle]

It's negative joker but better and moner

[south monolith]

Better negative jonkler:

[opal plank]

yeah

okay one sec

Room of Infinity Joker
+($/25) Joker Slots, where $ is your current money
Epic

meh

new idea

Fake Infinity Joker
+10 Joker slots
-1 Joker slot for every $
Rare(?)

similar playstyle to vagabond

would go crazy with credit card

[worn kindle]

Just looking thru the doc, I wanna make a new superposition. Also why is the name other realm, when superposition is based on quantum particles? I don't see correlation.

[opal plank]

Acceleration Joker
X$((j/10)+1) at end of round, where j is equal to your total joker slots
+($/100) Joker slots at end of round, where $ is your current money
Epic

i like this

actually this is quite powerful

like really powerful

[south monolith]

Huh

[worn kindle]

What would it be mortal of

[worn loom]

isnt this self scaling

[opal plank]

well, in any case, can you guys tell me what the best idea for mortal tenebris here is? i'll list them again:

Room of Infinity Joker
+($/25) Joker Slots, where $ is your current money
Epic Mortal Tenebris

Fake Infinity Joker
+10 Joker slots
-1 Joker slot for every $
Rare Mortal Tenebris

Acceleration Joker
+$j at end of round, where j is equal to your total joker slots
+($/100) Joker slots at end of round, where $ is your current money
Epic Mortal Tenebris

[opal plank]

yes, that's the point

[worn loom]

no way they got situla for joker slots

[opal plank]

it's called acceleration for a reason

[worn loom]

also x$ is incredibly powerful yes

[opal plank]

yeah

[worn kindle]

Yeah

It's exptic

[opal plank]

slightly changed acceleration; what's the best idea here?

i can do some value changes as well

[worn kindle]

Should it round down?

The money

[opal plank]

no

why would it?

decimal joker slots and decimal money is very easily a thing

[worn kindle]

Fair enough

[worn loom]

the joker slots should prob round down cause decimal slots is jank and also the econ is good enough by itself when you first get it

[south monolith]

Can I do maximized and copy/paste?

[opal plank]

sure

[south monolith]

Ty

[opal plank]

i mean it's alr

[worn loom]

idk

its prob not that bad

but if it turns out to be too good of a joker then it could prob round down

[opal plank]

likely

brb

[south monolith]

Maximized Exotic:
All cards count as all ranks, and all editions, without their consequences

”Anything is everything.”

[worn kindle]

I got a toothpick stuck in my sim card eject slot

[opal plank]

uh, no

at least not the edition part

[worn kindle]

Also that is just the 10 of spades seed but broken

[south monolith]

?

[worn kindle]

Yeah the abstract cards

[south monolith]

That’s the most fitting thing

[worn kindle]

And echo

[south monolith]

Uhhh

[opal plank]

the seed where every card is the 10 of spades on erratic deck

[south monolith]

What do I do

Hmmm

Just the first part alone seems really weak for an exotic

[opal plank]

it is

but the second part is incredibly busted

[south monolith]

How do I balance it

[opal plank]

especially given that kaleidoscope's effect exists

[south monolith]

Wait a minute what if it’s just all vanilla editions

Ooh I got one

[opal plank]

maybe?

[south monolith]

All card count as all ranks and suits and are immune to debuffs

[opal plank]

that's alright

[south monolith]

Okay what better idea do you have then

[opal plank]

give me some time

[south monolith]

What if all cards count as all ranks and suits and trigger all card trigger abilities twice?

So rough gem would trigger twice for one card

It sounds much better

[opal plank]

that could work

[worn kindle]

Echo cards and vanilla

That's just adding guaranteed echo, but makes sense

[south monolith]

Honestly it seems like maybe it won’t fit

Yeah I’ll go with that

[opal plank]

i think this is likely best

[south monolith]

Maximized Exotic:
All cards count as all ranks and suits, all cards trigger abilities trigger twice per card

[opal plank]

i can put in the sheet

oh, there's already an effect there

...

it's by the same guy who made mortal tenebris

"All cards are considered Aces"

i think it's unanimous to replace this with your idea lmao

[south monolith]

Aces doesn’t sound great

Kings would be better

[opal plank]

depends

lemme cook up a name

i got a few

• Optimus - best
• Summum - highest
• Omnimaximus - all-maximum
• Praecellens - excelling
• Eximius - exceptional
• Totalis - total
• Supremus - supreme
• Panoptimus - ~ all best
• Absolutus - complete
• Omniperfectus - perfect in all things

what looks the best to you?

[south monolith]

Copy/Paste Exotic:
When code cards are used, create 3 negative copies of it
1 in 3 chance create a pointer when used

[worn kindle]

Optimus is too close to Primus to me

[opal plank]

yeah

[south monolith]

Could you relate it to this sentence:

[opal plank]

i kinda knew that off the bat

[south monolith]

“Anything can be everything.”

Which name would look best for that

[opal plank]

i got a few

[south monolith]

How’s this

[worn kindle]

That would just be better Dionysus after you get seed (which you almost guaranteed will)

[south monolith]

I can tweak it to 2 or 1 in 2 as well

[south monolith]

Well best thing we have right

What if all code cards count as pointers as well as its effect

[worn kindle]

It could be make 2 copies of a code card when used and then a random one.

[south monolith]

Wait that actually fits well

[south monolith]

It feels a little weak for the level of exotic

[south monolith]

Code card also = pointer?

[worn kindle]

Spectral

[south monolith]

Pointer is the code card spectral

[worn kindle]

Same reasoning as black hole and soul

Yes

[south monolith]

It counts in my eyes

Idk that sounds at the level of an exotic

Am I making it go too far?

Cause tenebris is stupidly insane

[worn kindle]

What do you have rn?

[south monolith]

Exponentia is stupidly insane

[opal plank]

• Omnipotens - all-powerful or "capable of everything"
• Totum Ex Quolibet - literally means "everything from anything”
  • Totumex - all together
• Panomnia - totality
• Omnitudo - “the state of everything” or “everything-ness”
• Plenaris - full-complete or entire
• Omnitudo - literally just "everything"

[south monolith]

This

[opal plank]

seed:

[south monolith]

Totem ex quolibet will work beautifully

[opal plank]

okay peak

[south monolith]

What if 33%

[worn kindle]

Like I said it's just slightly delayed, better Dionysus

[south monolith]

Oh

Sooooo what if all codes also give the effect of a pointer?

[worn kindle]

Still the same tbh

[south monolith]

Making 2 copies and a random code sounds a bit weak

[opal plank]

how about a fixed 25% chance

[worn kindle]

Well idk how else

[south monolith]

Sure

[opal plank]

wait

[worn kindle]

yes.

[opal plank]

mmm

[south monolith]

Idk, I’m going off just the actual effect alone

[opal plank]

this is infinite

[south monolith]

And code cards relate to pointers

[south monolith]

Infinity?

[opal plank]

ctrl+v

[worn kindle]

Yeah, it's infinite

[south monolith]

What if we just screw the copy part

And leave it to its og effect for that

[worn kindle]

Immutable on both chances or just pointer?

[south monolith]

That stops the infinite..? Wait

[worn kindle]

If base chance isn't immutable it's infinite

[opal plank]

how about this

[south monolith]

Yes immutable

[worn kindle]

KK

[south monolith]

I think I meant it like that

So just leave it as is but immutable

Make nerf the co-y part tot 2 negatives

Am I just bad at making ideas

[opal plank]

??? Joker
When a non-Negative Code card is used, create 3 Negative copies of it
Fixed 25% chance to also create a Pointer when a non-Negative Code card is used
Exotic Copy/Paste

[worn kindle]

In constructive criticism, you need work.

[opal plank]

my idea?

[south monolith]

Okay the non negative part fixes it well

[worn kindle]

Not you glitch

[opal plank]

let me come up with a name

[south monolith]

So what is the power level of these exotics meant to be?

Oh wait

[opal plank]

...the same power level as cryptid exotics

[south monolith]

”The command isn’t just a computer. It’s a worldwide database.”

[south monolith]

I’m going off the fact they’re supposed to be stupidly insane

Like exponentia

[opal plank]

exponentia isn't really that good in normal gameplay btw

[worn kindle]

Name idea

[opal plank]

xmult triggers are rare, and it doesn't work on things that make cards give xmult (ex: iterum)

[south monolith]

Oh

[opal plank]

and it only goes up by ^0.03 per xmult trigger

[south monolith]

Okay I got it

[worn kindle]

"creare alium" to create another

[opal plank]

which is tiny compared to something like stella mortis, which is a lot easier to scale, especially early-game

[opal plank]

i have some names

[south monolith]

Hmmm give me a joker without an effect yet

[worn kindle]

Ikik just getting ideas out

[south monolith]

Error?

As a joker

Is it done yet

[worn kindle]

Labyrinth and panopticon

And or

[opal plank]

i literally made exotic error

(still writing names btw)

[south monolith]

Hmmm

[worn kindle]

Maybe combine them?

[south monolith]

All first hand/discard trigger 2 times more?

And vice Verda?

*versa

[opal plank]

• Effingo - i shape or "copy exactly"
• Replico - i repeat
• Similitudo - resemblance
• Index Omnium - pointer/index of all things
• Effigies Mutabilis - changeable copy
• Imitatio Absoluta - perfect imitation or perfect copy
• Scriptum Apertum - open script

yea

[south monolith]

Scriptum aperturm

[opal plank]

peak

[worn kindle]

For the labyrinth I'ma make some names

[south monolith]

YES I GOT PEAK

[worn kindle]

Assuming they are combined tho

[opal plank]

-# ... i literally made the names

[south monolith]

I thought you were talking about my effect

[south monolith]

About this

Is that peak

Give me another joker that hasn’t been done

[opal plank]

lucky joker

[south monolith]

Oooh

[opal plank]

chili pepper

[south monolith]

All lucky cards are rigged, gain $2-10 per lucky card trigger?

[worn kindle]

Damn I can't make any names for labyrinth/panopticon

Urhhh

[south monolith]

How’s that effect

The range is like what number you think works best

[opal plank]

HEY!
who changed my hack effect?!

[south monolith]

OH NO

AHHHH

[opal plank]

changing it back now

[worn kindle]

What was it?

[south monolith]

uh?

[opal plank]

guys don't edit suggestions that aren't yours

[worn kindle]

Okei

I'm gonna refine superposition bc why not

[opal plank]

my effect was
Played cards with rank 2, 3, 4, or 5 are retriggered n? times, where n is the played cards' rank
"new" effect is
Played cards with rank 2, 3, 4, or 5 are retriggered 10 times

[south monolith]

Your effect is actually great

Imagine my maximized with hack exotic

It would count as 11 triggers

For any card

[opal plank]

by the way, "?" is the same as "!" (factorial), but instead of multiplying, it's adding

so 5s would retrigger 5+4+3+2+1 times

[south monolith]

Okay that’s stupidly insane

High five!

[agile flint]

5? yes its five

[opal plank]

high five reference

[worn kindle]

What do y'all think of the current superposition name.

[south monolith]

And for chilli

[opal plank]

it's good

feels quantum-like

[worn kindle]

Hm.

[opal plank]

while it may not be completely accurate, it feels ominous enough

[south monolith]

What if we go with gains +^0.5 per round, in 8 rounds increase bonus increase by +^0.1 for chilli pepper

[opal plank]

additionally, quantum states can be described as basically entering another realm

[south monolith]

Currently ^1

[worn kindle]

Uterque simul is what name I came up with before I asked btw

[opal plank]

for chili pepper?

maybe

[south monolith]

And also lucky jimbo

What do ya think of those two

[opal plank]

it's aight

[south monolith]

And also the first and last hand/discard jimbos exotics

[opal plank]

okay hold

^0.5 per round is INCREDIBLY fast

[south monolith]

^0.1?

Nah ^0.15

Sounds good?

[opal plank]

^0.1 is good tbh

[south monolith]

Alright we go with that

[opal plank]

since it scales the scaling

(but it's not self-scaling)

[south monolith]

^0.1 per round, gains ^0.1 after 8 rounds

[opal plank]

yea

let me format this

and give it a name

[worn kindle]

Can I name itm

[opal plank]

This Joker gains ^0.1 Mult at end of round
Increase the amount this Joker scales by by ^0.1 after 8 rounds
(Currently ^1 Mult)

mmm

[worn kindle]

"Fructus ardens"

[opal plank]

i really don't like the "by by"

[worn kindle]

Burning fruit

[opal plank]

that works

[south monolith]

Not by by

[opal plank]

wdym

[south monolith]

Yeah that works

The typo isn’t intended

“I don’t like by by”

[opal plank]

typo?

[south monolith]

Oh wait

I get it now

Oops

[worn kindle]

Switch it to "increase scaling number by ^0.1"

[south monolith]

Anyways I’ll do as many new ideas as I can

[opal plank]

that feels even more jank tbh

[south monolith]

So like give e]a big fat list

*a

Of jimbos that need new effects

I will do

[worn kindle]

Lemme see if there's something else that is like that we can use

[south monolith]

[opal plank]

i'm just gonna put it as is for now

[south monolith]

So yeah go shout jimbos I should do at me

[worn kindle]

I just looked at the idea for supercell exotic, I am so confused at this and looking at it again that is insanely busted etf

It has ^^^ chips

And ^^1.1 chips/mult

[south monolith]

Okay that’s too much

[worn kindle]

Yeah

[opal plank]

yeah no

...and it was made by the same guy who made the aforementioned bad ideas

like mortal tenebris and the like

[south monolith]

What if we go with like ^2 chips and mult, X100 mult, and $20 at the end of each round

In spirit

[worn kindle]

X100 chips and mult to be even more in spirit

[south monolith]

That’s be a bit weak for an epic exotic

[opal plank]

this works

wait

meh

how about this

+1500 chips, +1500 mult, x20 chips, x20 mult, earn $15 at end of round

i know this doesn't sound good, but this would be incredibly broken in normal gameplay

[worn kindle]

Yeah.

[south monolith]

That works

I said no because these are meant to be good for late game as well

[opal plank]

might need to nerf the money because of tenebris

[worn kindle]

I'ma make names for the other type xmult jokers

[south monolith]

“To be considered for late game”

[opal plank]

i think this works

[south monolith]

I would sell it on like ante 15

But it works

The actual art should be

We have evolved from supercell to fool

[opal plank]

holy fuck

look at chocolate die's exotic

[south monolith]

I don’t understand

Trick or treat exotic:
Creates 3 candies each round. These candies are Overpowered.

Overpowered Candies: special candies from the trick or treat exotic, tripled values

And for ones with no values, they can be changed

WAIT I GOT AN IDEA

Trick Or Treat Exotic:
Create 2 Candy Exotics each round.

[opal plank]

formidulosis:

[south monolith]

Candy exotics tho…

[worn kindle]

Excluding ones I'm stumped on (I hate you the duos)
The nuts: Sum Potens (I am powerful)
The unity: Sum Unitus (I am united)
The swarm: Sum omnino (I am all)

[south monolith]

That’s better

[south monolith]

Okay then

What should I do

[worn kindle]

Make it turn into formidulosus

[opal plank]

no idea

all i'm saying is that this is literally just worse formidulosis

also what the fuck is this for exotic exposed
Retrigger all scored non-face cards n^2 additional times, where n is the played cards' rank

10s get retriggered 100 TIMES

[dense escarp]

Aces get 121 retriggers, too!

[opal plank]

and, if we're following what other jokers have done, aces get retriggered 196 times 😭

(j = 11, q = 12, k = 13, a = 14)

oh fun this is is even worse
Retrigger all scored face cards (n-7)^3 additional times, where n is the played cards' rank
kings get retriggered 216 TIMES

seriously what is this dude on

[dense escarp]

Better Idea for Exotic Exposed
All non-face cards are retriggered 2 times per chip on them, all face cards are debuffed
Better Idea for Exotic Mask
All face cards are retriggered 3 times per chip on them, all non-face cards are debuffed

[opal plank]

i don't think any of these ideas are good

[worn kindle]

Now for the special hands:
The stronghold: Sum Tutus (I am safe)
The fuck!?/cluster: Sum Chaos (I am chaotic (really I am chaos but whatever it's cooler the other way)
The clash: Sum Divisus

[opal plank]

using chip values is kinda unintuitive

also all face cards would give the same

[opal plank]

clusterfuck already has a name iirc

[worn kindle]

Oh oops

[opal plank]

yeah
Sum Plumentum - I am a mess

[dense escarp]

Hiker, though...

[worn kindle]

Still tho I got the other names

[opal plank]

you're telling me you want a joker to synergize with a SINGLE joker

[livid dove]

I still think "The Fuck!?" Should be a latin Curse word, but Sum Chaos would be a great family friendly name.

[worn kindle]

Yeah, but there is still the name that was already made before me

[south monolith]

Okay can we just do n*2

[worn kindle]

The uncensored version should be the swear tho if that's allowed

[south monolith]

What about F’ing Nonsense

I’ll look on the spreadsheet for stuff

And for trick or treat

Idk

Every shop has 2 candies, +2 shop slots?

So 2 normal jokers and 2 candies

The candy isle

Oops

I meant candy basket

Sorry

Yeah for candy basket

[worn kindle]

Uncensored version could be Sum Stultus (I am stupid)

[south monolith]

2 candies in shop per reroll, +2 shop slots?

How would that go

For candy basket

[south monolith]

Uhhhhhh

Huh

[worn kindle]

Idk I'm just spitballing

[south monolith]

Eh

[agile flint]

My rendition for "Singularis Pretiosum" (og. Trading Card). Got inspiration from article of "the most expensive pokemon trading card" so the design layout reference that one card (and change the color) while also inspired by 3d card visual fx I learn in after effects in the past, and well exotic joker alr have parallax sorted out, so I just have to draw the layers (I also add "initial shader" just to make the card more fancy because I cant think to add more to it), also the name is not a typo

[opal plank]

balalatro 🔥

also i really like the “shader” but feel like it’s so incredibly hard to notice that people light thing it’s just the laminated shader

[steep flame]

i absolutely love it

[safe sapphire]

Very nice work! I find the misspelling a cool reference to how production errors can significantly increase an item's value.

[velvet widget]

What if the only part of it that gets editioned is the image part

Like pokemon cards

[safe sapphire]

With the way the card is laid out, the background will indeed be the only part with the edition.

[velvet widget]

YAYYYYY

[agile flint]

Yeah, I intend it to be very subtle since I thought it could be very distracting if I bump up the effect opacity, just treat it as extra eye candy for anyone noticed it :)

[safe sapphire]

Got Requiacity's permission to use their old Gemini as a base for the mortal version. Thoughts on this attempt at it?

[opal plank]

that 100% works

[agile flint]

Old gemini looks like it meant to be a mortal joker, like it just fits

[opal plank]

yeah

[steep flame]

is insanity mode not fully implemented yet?

it seems to not work for me

[safe sapphire]

Odd, I have it working on my end. I might have forgotten to upload something that's a part of it. What's the main issue atm?

[steep flame]

Jokers still get destroyed when using gateway, for me

[safe sapphire]

What about ascension?

[steep flame]

i'm on the latest commit btw

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha

[steep flame]

Ascension seems to work

[safe sapphire]

I think the issue is the version of Cryptid, then. I made it for a version that still had jen support built in. I imagine the patch isnt working if it was modified on the relase you are playing on.

May I ask what cryptid version you are on?

[steep flame]

Latest demicolon branch commit

[safe sapphire]

That might explain it. Might have to code two versions for before and after the jen removal.

Gotta get to bed, but will take a look soon to try and fix the issue.

[steep flame]

ah, i see

alrighty

[safe sapphire]

It should work on the latest main relase

[agile flint]

Fortis Vitri stained glass displacement shader test, idk if I should tone down the opacity or not (its maybe fine because I plan to make the glass translucent so the effect is gonna be less pronounced that way but idk still) 🤔

[indigo helm]

GOD DAMN

[agile flint]

Jeebus Cwist . Rendition for "Fortis Vitri" (og. Glass Joker) taking from my first sketch of stained glass design and choosing more into "abstract" route of "Strong Glass" (which I'm also leaning to since it lets me experiment using displacement map based shader in AE), as expected the shader fx end up less pronounced because transparent layer setting which is good 🤔

[karmic bough]

Praise the lord

Jimbo Crust

[river sluice]

JC stands for "Jimbo Cards"

[worn kindle]

also i just notice the japanese text says "bararaturoo" which would be the closest translation of balalatro. nice detail!

[agile flint]

Yeah, I've learned a bit of japanese so I feel like doing it just cause (I also did similar thing for proposed Mystic Summit back then :))

[river sluice]

You prolly could take the "ー" off there though cuz balatro's katakana name doesn't have it

バラトロ I think is what most ppl use at least on my side of the internet

[outer inlet]

this reminds me of Balala Joker Poker fsr

[agile flint]

Supposedly yeah, but foreign word with vowel ends typically end with that just to accentuate the word if its actually spoken iirc, I mean also, its not "Balatro" but "Balalatro"

But yeah its on me, I prolly change it later if it really needed

[river sluice]

yeah it's just to extend the vowel but with balalatro you can just write it as バラﾗトロ (smaller "ra" character to give it that sort of misprinted feel

[agile flint]

Thats interesting, I dont really know what purpose of half width kana honestly, and tbh I also dont really intend it to look misprinted, but I prolly should considering how pricey some misprinted card because of the error

[river sluice]

half width kana usually in speaking is for sort of more quiet speaking and I've seen plenty of vocaloid that use the smaller kana to indicate what the background singers are saying sometimes

[agile flint]

I see

[safe sapphire]

I really love this art! Quick question, would it be possible to have the shader just ripple out as opposed to the pulsing it is doing now?

[agile flint]

I could probably, but I have to do some digging in after effects probably to make it works since most of what I do there is bunch of "accidents", idk if gonna take long or not or it gonna break my displacement effect stack but I'll try to make it happen

[safe sapphire]

No worries either way.

[agile flint]

Its done, have to dig up how to do time remapping for a while because when I change it into ripple move from the previous one it looks harsh initially :)

[steep flame]

this is quite cool, i really like it

also, could we add demicolon to the concepting sheet? i have a few ideas for it I'd like to get down

[safe sapphire]

I guess I could add a section for jokers that are planned to be added. The main focus should be for jokers that are in a main relase though

[steep flame]

ah, i see

ive been trying to balance the ideas ive had lately

still not touching chocodie though, i need to set aside a few hours to completely redo that one

[old drum]

force-trigger all compatible jokers?

[safe sapphire]

That's understandable

[steep flame]

my idea specifically was to force trigger all compatible cards, and retrigger non compatible cards

how does this look for cat tag? tried to fix the issue where its too similar to throwback by incorporating leveled up cat tags too

[old drum]

convert cat tags to something else, maybe?

[steep flame]

maybe

i also redid clicked cookie based on MarioFan's idea, might still need additional balancing though

[old drum]

good lord please dont give googol play card an exotic i beg you

[steep flame]

someone made it

[old drum]

melts

[steep flame]

also edited exotic flesh panopticon too so its not an infinite source of exotics

might need further buffing though tbh

[opal plank]

if it’s not force-trigger compatible, it’s probably not retrigger compatible

[steep flame]

are you sure

maybe i misunderstood exactly how force triggering works

[safe sapphire]

Idea: What if we change it from giving a gateway to ascending a viable joker, and instead of after we do it, before? That way you might have a chance to live if you get it from a gateway.

[steep flame]

i see, i like that idea, what if there's no viable jokers present though?

[safe sapphire]

I guess we can default to a gateway in that instance

[opal plank]

force triggers are able to happen on pretty much anything, and the things it can’t force-trigger, retriggers can’t usually trigger either
for example, you can’t retrigger something like golden joker, but you can force-trigger it, where it’ll give $4
then, you can’t force-trigger four fingers, but you also can’t retrigger it (how would that work)

[steep flame]

but what about thinks like the default joker, where you can't force trigger it because it would be the same thing as retriggering it

iirc things that fall under that category aren't forcetrigger compat

[safe sapphire]

I'll add that mentioned pending cryptid joker section. Isn't it just sock and sock and demicolon currently that have been added to the GitHub, but not in a full version?

[opal plank]

then they both can
i’m not saying that anything that’s force-triggerable can be retriggered; i’m saying that anything that’s retriggerable can be force-triggered

[steep flame]

i think i understand, thanks

[steep flame]

i'm not entirely sure, i think so

[worn loom]

pretty sure everything retriggerable is forcetriggerable even things that would work when retriggered normally

so joker counts as forcetriggerable even though its identical to retriggering cause it doesnt have a condition

[steep flame]

i see

[worn loom]

demicolon doesnt really need the arbitrary nerf of not working on unconditional jokers anyway so it makes sense

atleast not for madness

[steep flame]

yeah

[velvet widget]

Golden joker exptic does not want anything to do with me

[safe sapphire]

That's odd. Can you give more context on what happened?

[thin heron]

mmmyes a flat x1e100 mult

[velvet widget]

Not really. It first crashed my game during a normal run and thought it had an issue with oil lamp, but then I started a new run, gave it to myself, and it crashed at the end of the round

As for other mods interfering, I'm thinking one of my mods, I think nopeus, may be messing with it by removing the money count from the blind reward screen

Maybe it has a dependency to that specific screen?

I do not know anything code related beyond html, so idk

[safe sapphire]

I could see that being an issue. I will see what I can do about Nopeus when I get some free time. In the mean time, can you test your hypothesis and see if it crashes even when nopus is deactivated?

[velvet widget]

I will tomorrow, the bed beckons

[safe sapphire]

Coolio

[livid dove]

Sorry for being so quiet in this thread. I guess I sorta frontloaded it with all those ideas.
I'll think of something in due time!

[opal plank]

chat you gotta contribute to cryptposting more now

[nimble sundial]

cryptid posting:

[worn kindle]

posting:

[safe sapphire]

Thinking about mime. Currently, the way I can see implementing it would just be to mimic the edition jokers, where it just checks the enhancement and applies the appropriate effect. The only issue is that this would need to have a result for each enhancement. Any idea how it could be made universal?

[worn kindle]

what does mime do again?

[safe sapphire]

"The editions of Playing Cards become held in hand effects
Retrigger all held in hand effects 1 additional time
Retrigger editioned Playing Cards 1 additional time"

[worn kindle]

hm.

i dont really see what you mean.

[safe sapphire]

Apparently it was editions, not enhancments. Still the same concern applies.

[worn kindle]

that feels like a typo. editioned cards are harder to get, and if we are staying true to mime, wouldnt it be enhancements?

or we could make it modifications (minus retrigger ones like echo/redseal, or maybe not)

not doing retriggers aside from natural triggers would prevent looping, but we could retrigger the retriggers but only once.

[safe sapphire]

The original suggestion from UTNerd mentioned editions.

[worn kindle]

but why would it not include enhancements if its based on mime? mime worked with enhancements, why not silentium

[safe sapphire]

I'm fine with making that switch, as I agree with your point.

As for the universal aspect, maybe if I figure out how jen made that planet editition mod that could work.

[worn kindle]

idk anything about coding jokers, so im just as confused. lemme check the code for mime and paste it here rq

[safe sapphire]

Feel free, but this issue isnt something the original mime could help us with

[worn kindle]

okay. couldnt find where mime is, but could you explain the problem to me?

[safe sapphire]

Essentially, how do we get the values and properties of enhancements automatically so that the Joker can apply them as a held in hand effect.

I may just have to manually input them and then just add other mods' enhancements when we get to compat for them.

[worn kindle]

probably would just have to do it manually

yeah

this also means that we could make the values better but thats just a thought

anyways im gonna make ideas/names for some things im bored

[safe sapphire]

Sure

[worn kindle]

im gonna make something for nostalgic invis bc that seems silly and challenging

immaculata peractorum
(immaculate nostalgia (based on invisible joker exotic meaning immaculate), orig: nostalgic invis joker.)
when a non-negative joker is sold, create a negative copy of a random joker.
specified non negative so you can get rid of jokers you dont want.

im pretty proud of this

for making it in like a minute or two, im happy

also i just realised this is busted speculo FUCK

maybe make it every 2 jokers

[safe sapphire]

If it was limited to 2 negatives created per round, it might work

[worn kindle]

yeah.

immaculata peractorum
(immaculate nostalgia (based on invisible joker exotic meaning immaculate), orig: nostalgic invis joker.)
when a non-negative joker is sold, create a negative copy of a random joker. max 2 jokers copied per round.
specified non negative so you can get rid of jokers you dont want.

i also feel like it should have some scoring to it. nvm

[safe sapphire]

It seems Aurinko is under a GNU v3.0 licnese, so I would be free to modify it for mime

It would just be the non-stat enhancments that would be the issue then

[worn kindle]

non-stat?

[safe sapphire]

You know, something the line of echo cards

[worn kindle]

it could just add the chips of the card that would be gained with retriggers but that feels like exotic splash

[worn kindle]

just looked at exotic universe and uhh

wtf

[river sluice]

maybe astral cards should make 2 negative planet cards and a black hole every time they're triggered with that actually

[opal plank]

this… well, it’s not horrible

definitely broken

like really broken

but not the worst thing i’ve seen

maybe it could be something like ^^1.01, or a completely different effect as capitalchirp said

[worn kindle]

what is insanity mode.

why is there insanity mode in the config

calling it now its gonna be all jokers are their ascended forms if possible

[safe sapphire]

That would be a funny idea, but I think it would be better as a deck/deck sleve

Isanity mode allows using ascension/gateway without destroying Jokers. Some alternative cost will be made for it in the future.

[opal plank]

wait we should actually have this as a deck with some kind of massive downside

like -4 joker slots or something

[worn kindle]

accedental w :cool_emoji:

[agile flint]

-4 joker slot sounds like restarting until you get tenebris

[opal plank]

well no

you don't start with a joker

and tenebris wouldn't be able to appear anyway

[thin heron]

how possible would that deck even be actually

[opal plank]

as in: how hard would it be to beat?

because honestly

i think it would be kinda easy

i mean, wormhole deck is already easy

i think most can admit

[thin heron]

i mean

[opal plank]

and this deck, while only having 1 joker slot, allows you to choose what path you want to go on

[thin heron]

im not concerned on the fact that you have 1 joker slot its just that if the deck just replaces all jokers with their ascended forms in the shop instead of after buying them then how would you even save up for one of them before the scaling gets to you

[opal plank]

we're assuming that they're their original prices

so joker would still be 2 dollars

dunno about sell value though

[thin heron]

i see

[opal plank]

also, what you said it "wouldn't be" here is exactly what i imagined it to be

you buy a joker; boom, it's exotic

wow

[thin heron]

lmao

[safe sapphire]

That would make a cool deck. I think it would be worth adding to the to-do list

[wintry owl]

are we allowed to suggest non-ascended versions of already existing exotics?

[safe sapphire]

Yes! Feel free!

[wintry owl]

oh nvm theres a document for it
gonna check a few ideas and maybe ask for a few tweaking here and there

[safe sapphire]

Coolio

[wintry owl]

Solemn could use a buff, as of right now it's just a free dollar at the end of round without a cost on the slot

I think 2 joker slots and maybe 3 dollars or so would be nice, as to not comply with negative joker and golden joker

[safe sapphire]

That's fair. My only issue is that we dont have many common mortals at the moment and I think the current description could fit well for a common.

[wintry owl]

ah, i understand that philosophy then

[opal plank]

i had a few suggestions for mortal tenebris yesterday (or was it two days ago)

here

Room of Infinity Joker
+($/25) Joker Slots, where $ is your current money
Epic Mortal Tenebris

Fake Infinity Joker
+10 Joker slots
-1 Joker slot for every $
Epic Mortal Tenebris

Acceleration Joker
+$j at end of round, where j is equal to your total joker slots
+($/100) Joker slots at end of round, where $ is your current money
Epic Mortal Tenebris

these were all three

room of infinity - bootstraps but joker slots and increased conditions. what else is there to say
fake infinity - you're broke but my god you have so many joker slots. also, credit card moment
acceleration - self-scaling bullshit that sounds so fun to play with

[wintry owl]

Okay, there were a few free spots, so I'll give two of them a shot

Multitudo Iconio
Exotic version of Mult Joker
Played Mult Cards create a Negative Cryptid card
(Retriggers like Hanging Chad won't work)
Played Mult cards get retriggered an additional time for each Cryptid card you have
Scored Mult Cards gain ^1.01 Mult
(Retriggers will work here)

Fotia Tis Aioniotitas
Exotic version of Eternal Flame
This Joker gains ^0.01 Mult and ^0.01 Chips when a card is sold
Sold Jokers have a 1 in 3 chance to regurgiate and come back as a Negative
Selling a Negative editioned Joker does not trigger this event
(I wasn't sure if "card" in Eternal Flame's desc. meant a playing card or a Joker)

Numbers could use tweaking for sure since I'm not really sure how to balance things out on Exotic tier

[wintry owl]

I unironically like these ideas

[opal plank]

these are interesting except for a few things

1. mult joker should allow you to retrigger cards for more cryptids; rigging regular mult joker allows you to do this, so why not here
2. scaling ^mult and chips. at ^0.1 per scale. on an easy condition. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274103559113150629/1336183109145596055/no.gif make it like ^0.01 maybe?

[wintry owl]

ure right lol

let me edit this

[safe sapphire]

Of these three ideas, I am personally in favor of Fake Infinity. I feel it has to be an Epic, though as I imagine most people who pick it up would happily play into it.

[opal plank]

yeah, epic would likely be good with a small buff

actually

nah

because negative joker

so it really just needs to be an unchanged epic

also can we veto a ton of ideas rq

[safe sapphire]

Sure, which ones?

[opal plank]

googol play card
X1e100 Mult, 1 in 8 chance for ^1.0e100 Mult

[safe sapphire]

Vetoed for sure.

[opal plank]

circus
Rare Jokers each give X11 Mult. Epic Jokers each give ^2 Mult. Legendary Jokers each give ^^1.1 Mult. Exotic Jokers each give ^^^1.01 Mult

[safe sapphire]

Way too busted

[opal plank]

(are you serious? pentation??)

[wintry owl]

id make exotics do ^^1.1 and not ^^^1.01 imo

[safe sapphire]

No pentation. We may dip our feet into tetration in the way rare and epics do ^ mult

[wintry owl]

pentation is off the menu

[opal plank]

supercell:
"+101 Chips, +101 Mult, X11 Chips, X11 Mult, ^2 Chips, ^2 Mult, ^^1.1 Chips and ^^1.1 Mult, [More than $1e100: ^^^1.01 Chips, ^^^1.01 Mult]. Earn $11, X$2, [More than $1e10: ^$1.1] at end of round.

my interpretation that i would like to replace it with:
+1500 chips, +1500 mult, x20 chips, x20 mult, earn $15 at end of round

[wintry owl]

who made supercell 😭

[safe sapphire]

I think your interpretation would work, Glitchkat. I'm sure its a high enough number.

[opal plank]

all of these bad suggestions were made by the same guy

all of them

[wintry owl]

ohh

[opal plank]

including this next one

"Astral cards each give ^^1.2 Mult"

for universe

😭

[safe sapphire]

Nope

Gone

[wintry owl]

[opal plank]

these for exposed and mask (>100 retriggers)
Retrigger all scored non-face cards n^2 additional times, where n is the played cards' rank
Retrigger all scored face cards (n-7)^3 additional times, where n is the played cards' rank

he followed in the horrible footsteps of old ascended hack

[wintry owl]

imo exotic universe should allow you to apply astral to playing cards under a condition too

[wintry owl]

christ

[safe sapphire]

Definetly should go.

[wintry owl]

on the chopping block

[opal plank]

i think that's the ludicrous ones by this guy

[safe sapphire]

If we use exotic hanging chad as a base, unmask should probably be like 5 retriggers and mask 10

[opal plank]

yeah

[wintry owl]

shameful thing to ask but can ascended universe be a spore reference?

[opal plank]

oh god how did i miss this for fridge magnet
Earh [sic] X$(Joker cards) at end of round. This earns ^$2 if there are 4 or fewer Joker cards.

^$ 😭

[wintry owl]

^$

let that sink in

[safe sapphire]

Defiently not happening. I already saw complaints on the polterworx discord over the golden joker exotic

^$ would be ludicrous

[opal plank]

the rest seem to be at least

mid at best

any of these stand out as completely vetoed to you?
^6.9 and X420 Chips if played hand contains a 6 and a 9
All Jokers give ^2.5 Mult
All Jokers give X$1.3 when triggered
Gain ^0.1 Mult if played hand contains a High Card. Gain ^1 Mult instead if played hand contain only one card.

[safe sapphire]

The waluigi is definetly getting a veto

[opal plank]

yeah true

you know, at first i thought this was really interesting: Xhand size
"X1 hand size, increases by X0.2 every round"

...then i realized
effarcire
vetoed?

[safe sapphire]

Thats for turtle bean, right?

[opal plank]

pot of jokes

wait turtle bean is just 5 hand size, +2 every round

anything relating to hand size is just worse than effarcire

always

so... probably vetoed

[safe sapphire]

That one is. I was thinking about the effect UTNerd came up with for turtle bean:
"Increase Hand Size by +3 Per round. If Entire Deck is drawn, generate cards until hand is full."

[opal plank]

wow there's a ton of ideas related to hand size that are just worse than effarcire

[opal plank]

okay somebody cooked

but you know who didn't?

troubadour:
Multiplies hand size by Hands remaining.
turtle bean:
"+5 hand size, gains 2 per round."
juggler:
Gives hand size equal to blinds defeated

all completely worse than effarcire

[safe sapphire]

Agreed. They defiently are gonna need a second effect to stand out

[opal plank]

maybe we keep troubadour

but yeah

[wintry owl]

noticing a pattern where all of these lack any significant standout

[opal plank]

yeah

these are by different people btw

[wintry owl]

turtle bean is literally a better pot of jokes

these need secondary effects!

[opal plank]

-# i mean... it's an exotic after all

-# (also, gluttonous joker < onyx agate)

[safe sapphire]

I'm changing the stones now to just adding the resource to the card.

I already mentioned it serval times, might as well make it offical

[opal plank]

yea

wait actually i'm gonna be honest

these kinda suck at the numbers they are currently at

[safe sapphire]

What numbers would you suggest?

[opal plank]

literally x10

also, xchips is usually seen as better than xmult

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha

[opal plank]

we'll see how other think about these values i guess?

oops should be ^0.01

[safe sapphire]

We will experiment with them. Thats what betas are for after all.

[opal plank]

yeah

last iteration was just WAY too low

vetoed for compound interest?
"Earn X2! of total money at end of round, increases by X1! per consecutive payout"

i feel like factorials (if implemented at all) could be cool for compound interest, but NOT like this

[safe sapphire]

Yeah, not like this

[opal plank]

cool

[thin heron]

what if it was just (n/2)! or something

or actually nah what if it was something like hack where its n? instead of n!

[agile flint]

Just now thinking after looking at brainstorm's exotic name, I prolly just take the second sketch for exotic glass joker back then and just remove the bullet and add more deco to it 🤔

[agile flint]

Ok I'll prolly away for now since my disk drive decide to give up on me when I'm still working on it

[karmic bough]

For clockwork joker's exotic, i was thinking for it to be Father Time, the effects would be focused on steel cards but would it be better if the effects trigger like 2 hands/ 3 hands/ 5 hands, or hands/rounds/ antes

[livid dove]

Clockwork Joker is crazy enough lol

An alternate effect for Exotic Clicked Cookie:
X1 Chips per times clicked in this run prior to this Joker appearing

[outer inlet]

two fingers

flushes and straights can be made with two cards

[steep flame]

honestly not bad, would always be an instant reset on wormhole deck though

[worn loom]

0 fingers
none counts as all hands

also this is not cryptposting

oops

[outer inlet]

i think this might actually be the exotic for four fingers

i cant remember

[worn loom]

it might not want to be something that incentivises you to spam click randomly throughout the run just incase it shows up

that seems a little silly

clicked cookie does it in an okay way since it doesnt depend on clicks to go upwards so you dont want to waste time in the menus scaling it

but this also seems like it might be worse than a few exotics unless you get it extremely late or randomly click extra for no reason i havent run the numbers yet though

x34 each ante if you play flushes and never sell jokers and get to exactly 5

[steep flame]

i think the current idea is good enough

[worn loom]

hm

i guess thats not as bad as i imagined

[steep flame]

it still implements the clicking thing

but not in a way that makes you spam click whenever for infinite chips

[worn loom]

i just think you should be cautious of putting it in a state where you feel like you need to click more just incase it could show up compared to something better

[steep flame]

the one in the doc i mean

[worn loom]

oh

lemme check

yeah that ones pretty nice

although i wonder how it will work on higher game speeds

it should probably be 10 seconds no matter what

[steep flame]

yeah

[worn loom]

but that means on faster speeds it will leak into the menus which is probably fine

[steep flame]

I don't want people to go into options and turn game speed down constantly

[worn loom]

thats why i dont like the clock even if the way it deals with game speeds is better now than the rework was originally

youre incentivised to play on slower speeds because you gain a lot more time to think since you think in real time and not scaled up with the game speed

[steep flame]

i just deal with the clock without changing game speed

[worn loom]

i mean its not that bad for the clock specifically but it can be annoying

to have mechanics that favor people who play on lower speeds

originally the rework for the clock was much worse where the rate at which it ticked up scaled 1:1 with gamespeed so speed past like 4 made it basically impossible

[steep flame]

pretty sure my inverted clock works the same way in my mod which would let you just turn the game speed super high to bring the score down to 0 and idk if i like that tbh

[worn loom]

you should do what new clock does where the rate modifier is clamped

so that past 4 gamespeed is the same as 4 gamespeed

[steep flame]

i think the code is literally copied from new clock

it just uses decimal multiplication so it goes down

also

does lavender loop work the same way

i didn't check

[worn loom]

i think so

[safe sapphire]

Finally got uneѯian's permission to use their Gemini exotic as a base for other constellation-based exotics. Here is what I have for Tarus (Bull's exotic) at the moment. I think it would be cool to have a full set of constellations across our exotics. I also want them to have a shared leitmotif of a red ribbon between them. Current potential candidates to be constellations include: Splash -> Aquarius, Virgo (Renamed to astrogogy m) -> Virgo, Kitty Printer -> Leo, Sync Catalyst -> Libra (Idea by Adrianinoninja). Still have far too many Jokers on backup to implement from all the wonderful art submissions, but this is just a passing thought for now.

[worn loom]

you gotta let me help for the constellations you gotta its the law

[safe sapphire]

Sure! Art wise or idea wise? Or something else?

[worn loom]

idea wise prob im really bad at art thats not super simple

i mean i say that but thats probably overly harsh

will you guys do something with scorpio cause i really dont know which joker would become that

[safe sapphire]

That is a concern of mine. I agree there really isnt an easy fit for it at the moment, let alone the mythological creatures

[worn loom]

i could look for referential inspiration by that i mean look at other media that uses scorpio and see if you can tie that in somehow

cause itd make it easier to do a complete set

but idk if thats wanted

compared to something like splash which is not direct but a lot more easy to see why its connect

it might just feel weird not having all the constellations

which ones are even missing

holdon i know them by heart gimme a second

Aries - Cloud 9
Taurus - Bull
Gemini - Cryptic Exotic
Cancer - Nice
Leo - Kitty Printer
Virgo - Astrology M
Libra - Sync Catalyst
Scorpio - Necromancer
Sagittarius - Sagittarius
Capricorn
Aquarius - Splash
Pisces

Ophiuchus - Python

i was gonna suggest error for capricorn but i remembered error already has an ascension

i forget actual astrology tbh

does rnjoker have an ascension already?? let me check but that might be a good for for capricorn tbh

lternatively iirc capricorn has goat theming so just go with the evilest joker

[worn loom]

it does

ill keep looking

damn every idea i have is already ascended

i was gonna also suggest mystic summit for capricorn

to the moon

[safe sapphire]

Wait a sec, nice could be cancer

Its perfect

[worn loom]

oh yea

sob -> pisces

im really bad with astrology otherwise id probablyhave more ideas

[safe sapphire]

All good. Thanks with the help you provided so far!

[worn loom]

you wanna know what

this would be really dumb but

sacrifice could probably fit for capricorn for a few reasons

unless all the jolly based stuff is gonna have consistent names

wait lol python would definitely fit for ophiuchus if you guys wanted to do the 13th secret zodiac

idk how i forgot about that joker

[safe sapphire]

That defiently could work!

More than happy to include ophiuchus

[worn loom]

thats my zodiac if you use the 13 symbol system anyway

[safe sapphire]

Thats neat! I'm a Pisces myself.

[worn loom]

capricorn could definitely be based on something that kills other jokers or has a lot of randomness though, thats one of the few zodiacs i remember the symbolism behind

but idk what specifically that isnt already concepted atleast a little

[blissful finch]

What the fuck is a Pisces

I am serious

[worn loom]

actually wait i have a really bad idea

nooo its already concepted

i was gonna make the absolutely ludicrous suggestion of 8ball for scorpio

those who know

[safe sapphire]

Throw it out anyway, always better to have more ideas then less

[worn loom]

well i didnt have an actual idea im just trying to find stuff to base it on so i can try and come up with an actual effect

im really bad at coming up with an effect first and then the theming

[safe sapphire]

For the constellations, I wasn't gonna force any of them to be close to their sign in effect. It's more so just a visual thing than anything else.

[worn loom]

that could probably work

i mean some of the suggestions ive given are pretty ludicrous so yknow

sacrifice for capricorn wouldve been really funny though

actually labyrinth could work for one of them i forget mythology behind the labyrinth though

nvm thats a bull

im washed

btw the misc tab is for crossmod or???

rn its just the word ortalab without much else

[safe sapphire]

Sagittarius is connected to centaurs would be perfect for labryith

[worn loom]

true

[safe sapphire]

Yes, I do have plans for cross mod eventually, but right now we are just focusing on base cryptid and balatro jokers.

[worn loom]

i can probably conceptualise some entropy crossmod if you would ever wanna do anything with that

[safe sapphire]

I would absolutely love that!

[worn loom]

idk what youd do about higher rarities though cause i am absolutely not concepting entropic versions of every mortal and ascended joker

it would be fun to push some of them even further though

[safe sapphire]

That's fair. I was thinking about this the other day, and I agree that there should not be another entropic form for each Joker. They are close enough in rarity that they can still be used in the endgame. The only time I think I would add another layer would be if we ever do Jens compatibility with the Transcendent rariety.

[worn loom]

i think it would be cool to do even higher forms of some jokers just because some ideas would be interesting but its 100% not needed for all of them

but the problem is entropics themselves are already based on existing exotics so idk how youd decide which ones would be cool enough or not

well for the most part there will be some unique ones but yknow what i mean

you cant just do a process of making pre-existing exotics into a higher form

[safe sapphire]

That could work. We just make a consumable to transform exotics to their already existing entropic counterpart. I think that would be fine.

[worn loom]

makes sense

exotic sunny joker will be very funny

anyway i try to think of more zodiacs soon

i dont mean to just turn this into pure crossmod talk

but itll be interesting

[safe sapphire]

Thanks, you gave a lot of interesting ideas to think about! Greatly apperciate your help!

[worn loom]

aries could be something space/planet based since aries in greek mythology involves the god of clouds

but idk how much of a stretch that is

[safe sapphire]

Cloud 9 exotic?

[worn loom]

cloud 9 would work

idk what the effect would even be thoughh

necromancer for scorpio

[safe sapphire]

I would be down for that. Probably better than the pop culture refrence I was originally thinking

[worn loom]

what were you thinking?

[worn loom]

oh i thought you meant for scorpio lol

so now just sagittarius capricorn and pisces

orr wait

labyrinth was sagittarius already

[opal plank]

9s give $n9 when scored, where n is the number of 9s in full deck

hm

a bit underpowered?

[worn loom]

hm

[opal plank]

what’s the one in the doc right now

oh it sucks

[tribal moth]

current progress on contra ipsum, just need to figure out visual balancing (i.e. something feels off to my eyes; if anyone has any suggestions on how to tweak things, please ping me about it thx)

tangent: Here's the screenshot I used as a reference for the sprite - this level already hits different for me but this particular screenshot just hits even harder for me

[south monolith]

space jimbo exotic:
1 in 4 chance to multiply all hands by 1.1X, and level up all hands

oh yeah let me get a formatting for this

Superposition Ascended
-# (Common) Exotic
Create 5 Negative Cryptid Cards if hand contains an Ace-high Straight
"I'mma go insane over this apple falling from up till sideways spinning around in triangles in 11 times of me'a."

Crimson Heart
-# Exotic Blind
Permanently disable and add Absolute to all held jokers when hand played
"The heart has went to the dark side. Is anyone going to bring the love needed? Or will it just be more war?"

[wintry owl]

feels kinda underwhelming to me for some reason

[hollow nymph]

{687}$

[south monolith]

its an uncommon exotic

[south monolith]

i'd like to represent tropical smoothie for capricorn

(maybe a dumb idea)

sorry guys, we have to replace happy house

i would represent happy house for pisces if you decided to keep happy house's exotic

[south monolith]

nvm

imagine clicked cookie exotic was +^1.01 chips for every 2 clicks

click click click

[wintry owl]

oh that's gore

thats gore of happy house 💔

[coarse blade]

this fucks hard

good shit

[opal plank]

as said before, we are not doing blinds due to hyper blinds

[fervent sierra]

Sum Multis (I am many)
Sum Infrangibilis (I am unbreakable)

exotic names for swarm (flush five) and stronghold (bulwark) since i don't think they have them yet

[velvet widget]

Just like diamond

Diamond is unbreakable

[safe sapphire]

I think it looks good, but the perspective is off. I would recomend making the leaves more circular because right now it just looks like a rectangle of leaves atm.

[steep flame]

brainstorming art ideas for exotic demicolon

[opal plank]

oh i like that

[safe sapphire]

I do think this is an improvement! The only other potential thing is to add some shading so you can tell what the underside is.

[worn kindle]

sob

it was so happy why did they break it

[tribal moth]

hmmm

(thinking, 1 sec)

[worn kindle]

i have name for exotic circus: "theatrum" theater

also im gonna make some quick art for exotic showman because im bored and recently watched the greatest showman so why not

[safe sapphire]

That would be awsome!

[stray hearth]

In vanilla niche jokers tend to be common or rare while generalist jokers tend to be common, uncommon or legendary

How about 17% chance (11/64 internally) like Almanac does?

[tribal moth]

im not sure about adding a shadow to the underside of the canopy; the canopy is a glowing object (i.e. a light source) and it wouldnt make sense to add a shadow there. additionally the tree is more at a side view than an "amongst-view" so the underside of the canopy is too small of a detail to regard

but I'll give it a try

[worn kindle]

Here it is and idk how to make it 2x

Very just brainstorming but still a concept

Also this takes heavy inspiration from this one ad poster for the greatest showman

this

The corner

[indigo helm]

how about soul pos for the leaves?

[tribal moth]

That's what I'm doing for the falling leaves

[steep flame]

extremely rough concept for exotic demicolon, pretty mid rough draft but i have a vision in mind

not good at art but im sure itll work out if i put enough effort into it

[safe sapphire]

Very interested to see where you take this! Not particularly important, but the borders to me look like an entropic joker's at the moment.

[steep flame]

i just used purple because its easy on my eyes, itll be reshapen and recolored later

my first idea was to have them coil around the whole card

but idk if ill do that

[safe sapphire]

I don't care if its purple to be clear, just a note

[steep flame]

i know !

just setting down my ideas

[tribal moth]

👀 that's a cool idea so far

I know this is still the brainstorming period but I was thinking, small detail, maybe the showman could be looking a bit upwards (i.e. "keeping their chin up" or smth) to really increase their triumphantness?

[tribal moth]

speaking of which: more tweaksssss

[steep flame]

this is so awesome

the shading is extremely impressive

[tribal moth]

thank you!

on a side note can i just say shoutout to this convo lol

[steep flame]

LMAO

[opal plank]

i love how, even at the end, they still don't specify if it's mult or chips 😭

[tribal moth]

actual peak comedy

[honest stirrup]

nah it just gives you ^1.5

[safe sapphire]

I have no experience with balatro ui, but it would be funny if there were a Joker that spawned a clickable and dragable ^1.5 that you can drag over any value on screen to increase it by that much. It would definitely be too powerful for an exotic, though.

[honest stirrup]

no no it doesn't add anything it's just sort of there

[karmic bough]

Ah yes, the blind going from 100.000 to e10#10#10 in a matter of seconds

[opal plank]

🔥

[tribal moth]

mfw upgrade the operator from {1} to {1.5}

[tribal moth]

balatro shader 💔 fml

:D it looks p sick

[agile flint]

This looks so sick

[tribal moth]

ill leave it at that, here files, back etc

and scaled composite for viewing purposes

im gonna sleep fo r a billion years now *doesnt*

[indigo helm]

there's SystemClock

and there's Balatro Mobile from Betmma's

[fiery peak]

since we have Minotaur for GOFP could we get Earthmover for LATH

[indigo helm]

that would be cool honestly

but he's a fuckinf behemoth

[fiery peak]

yeah

[south monolith]

Oh i didn’t know the update meant that

[safe sapphire]

When the next full version of cryptid releases, I'm currently planning to rewrite all the to_big functions to instead use linent big num and update the dependency to that version. Also, I'm almost past final season. Development will begin in earnest again sometime next week.

[tribal moth]

Good luck on your finals!

[livid dove]

Not to be that guy, but isint it a bit early for an Exotic Demicolon? I know its been around for a while, but maybe when it gets included in a release.
Also you’re all doing amazing work!
Hopefully ill be able to come up with some ideas myself again soon!

[steep flame]

it is! but that doesn't mean i can't make stuff for it ahead of time

[coarse blade]

gl

[north imp]

I'm getting a crash anytime I play a hand because of the defects joker

Anyone know if that happens to them as well

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, I know the reason. Right now it is using the lenient big num which is only in the dev version at the moment. Here is a quick fix that I believe should work in the mean time. Replace the main lua with this:

[north imp]

Sick, thanks

[worn kindle]

uhm

why

[opal plank]

erm

update?

[worn kindle]

okie

still there. also im using the file that was posted yesterday

[opal plank]

weird

i'll look into it

[worn kindle]

looking at the file, its supposed to be exotic bull (atleast the id says so)

[opal plank]

oh

[worn kindle]

ima try to use it wish me luck lol

attempted to compare number with nil

figures

[opal plank]

ohhh

why are you using the file above 😭

that is likely mario's testing file where he just forgot to remove bull

use the github link instead
https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio

[safe sapphire]

So sorry about that. I forgot that it was added. Either remove the temp bull or play on the cryptid dev version until I get a fix out.

[south monolith]

balatro. " "

10/10, i think it meant win the game

[worn kindle]

yeh

[steep flame]

since everything is on main now, i believe insanity mode is completely nonfunctional now

on main cryptid and latest ascensio, does not work

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, you are correct. Will get a fix out soon!

[steep flame]

awesome, ty!

[safe sapphire]

Still need some time for the full-on rework I mentioned, but here is something for now. Added Bull's Ascension: Taurus. I also fixed the insanity mode issues.

[opal plank]

peak

i should work a bit more on this mod tbh

[safe sapphire]

No pressure. More than happy to see cryptposting getting development.

[opal plank]

i feel like hanging chad's exotic should be agreed upon at this point, since you've used it to gauge the balancing of other jokers that apply retriggers. for reference, this is its effect
Retriggers the first scored card 20 times.

[safe sapphire]

I agree, will finalize it

[opal plank]

peak

code for that is supremely simple

so

[safe sapphire]

If you want to take a shot at it feel free,

[opal plank]

question: what were these? they are currently commented out at the top of acensio.lua

SMODS.Atlas {
    key = "gluttony",
    path = "gluttony.png",
    px = 71,
    py = 95
}


-----Defining Sounds------
SMODS.Sound{
    key = "mani",
    path = "mani.ogg"
}

[safe sapphire]

The first one is a test atlas that I change when I want to see what a joker looks like before I add it to the main atlas. The second is when I was making Golden's Exotic and was considering adding mani mani statue sounds on pick up. Might still do that, but haven't implemented it yet.

[opal plank]

i see

also

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/9

[safe sapphire]

Thanks

[opal plank]

actually, question: could i get commit perms for ascensio? actual content that gets added to the mod (ex: new jokers and the like) would still be pr'd due to possibly unfinished content and bugs, but quick fixes like this happen more than often. also, it would be nice to be able to merge things when they are actually completely done rather than have to bicker you about merging

[safe sapphire]

Sure, I definetly trust you. Let me figure out how to do that.

[opal plank]

it's in like the settings of your repository iirc

in any case, let me get back to hanging chad's exotic

[steep flame]

cant wait for exotic photochad

that reminds me i have demicolon to work on

[safe sapphire]

As a thought, it would be funny if the art for Charta Electionis was an election ballet, but all the choices are for Julius Ceaser

[steep flame]

that would be cool

[steep flame]

ive been experimenting with these vine looking things coil around the card, likely to be scrapped though idk

trying to put a lot of care into my design choices here

[opal plank]

that would be funny

and reminds me that i haven't written a single character for the code yet 😭