#Early access is a business model

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drifting pivot
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not at all what I'm referencing, but ok

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and also, theres basically no excuse why they cannot release the EA

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basically them saying "We just wanna polish some things up)

hazy wolf
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Ok dude I don't know how to explain this to you but you are way out of your depth

drifting pivot
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do I need to explain why you are dramatising your stance here?

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do I need to explain and even fight over fact?

hazy wolf
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I'm not overdramatising anything. I'm a programmer and devops engineer. I have years of experience working with programmers to develop software.

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Do you have any experience writing or developing software in any capacity?

drifting pivot
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okay, and I don't need to be anything to know whats fact and basic logic

hazy wolf
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You need something called perspective

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And you lack it

drifting pivot
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sure

hazy wolf
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Everything you're saying is based on massive amounts of assumptions

drifting pivot
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sure

hazy wolf
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When you have no idea how software is developed

drifting pivot
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nothing with software has to do with what I'm saying

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like

hazy wolf
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It has everything to do with what you're saying, which is just what you don't realize

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They don't have things to polish up

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They have literal functionality and content and things to build and test and get into the game that isn't even remotely ready or in the game yet

drifting pivot
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if only that were true

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and AGAIN, thats the point of an EA

hazy wolf
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But it is true, which is WHY they chose to do early access

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Because they knew their product was not going to be ready

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Like do you think they just don't know wtf they're doing?

drifting pivot
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No no no, my stance is that they are not releasing EA early because of them polishing up

hazy wolf
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Do you think they're all just dumb and making stupid decisions/

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This isn't polishing up dude

drifting pivot
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We are working hard to polish it at least to the same level of quality you have seen in the demo PLUS we still hope to squeeze in some QoL requests we have heard in the last few weeks. \

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hazy wolf
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Polishing up would mean they had a ton of the game functionality built as well as content

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Yeah the level of quality IN THE DEMO

drifting pivot
hazy wolf
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And you think this DEMO is stable and functional when a huge percentage of players can't even seem to get multiplayer functionality working/

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ANd the game crashes for tons of people

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And it hangs for 30 seconds when you click on the bonfire

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Are you INSANE

drifting pivot
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EA does not have to specifically have to be the full release

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it dosen't

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its the unfinished projetc

hazy wolf
drifting pivot
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its the unfinished result bro

hazy wolf
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The game has to work and at least be functional and stable for it to be EA or it will get review bombed into oblivion.

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You legit have no clue what you're talking about dude, I'm sorry

drifting pivot
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ITS AN EA

hazy wolf
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Yeah and?

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EA doesn't mean alpha quality unstable garbage.

drifting pivot
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you're calling windrose garbage?

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is that what youre saying?

drifting pivot
hazy wolf
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No dude, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the current state of the game, yes, unstable, not ready.

violet crater
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Keep it cool guys or I’ll have to close this

drifting pivot
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there is so many ways to approach EA with this

drifting pivot
hazy wolf
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Sorry Visitrix didn't know others could see it.

violet crater
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Thanks guys appreciate it

hazy wolf
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I'm starting to lose my cool trying to explain someone a very complicated topic who's just being incredibly presumptive

drifting pivot
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its not hard, to provide fuctional content, then slowly and easily update the game

hazy wolf
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Yes, it is.

drifting pivot
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by adding other stuff

hazy wolf
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If it's not hard, go do it yourself.

drifting pivot
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steel raven has lol

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they're working on ravenfield all by themselves and look at where they have gotten lol

violet crater
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The game changed direction since the last closed test, so I can understand why they would do EA first before shipping a finished product.

drifting pivot
hazy wolf
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You're agreeing with him but he's legitimately proving most of what you've said so far wrong

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There is a massive amount of techincal debt that comes with that kind of a pivot

drifting pivot
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he just said that they could do an EA which meaning an unfinished project, before finalising the game

hazy wolf
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No, he didn't...

drifting pivot
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or he atleasts understands it

violet crater
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Also games as judged differently when in EA and more room for improvement/annoyed with bugs is more lenient compared to a ‘polished product’. Both are judged differently

drifting pivot
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exactly

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room for improvement/fixing

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meaning that despite the mess it might be in, the more it can improve

violet crater
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Right what’s the actually disagreement as we all seem to be in agreement?

hazy wolf
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Yup, and who knows when best that their product is actually ready for early access?

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And when

drifting pivot
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"and then continue updating/fixing it

hazy wolf
violet crater
drifting pivot
hazy wolf
drifting pivot
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but I'm sayng that an EA or even an announcement is not too far from being here

hazy wolf
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That's been your whole entire thing

violet crater
drifting pivot
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thast the point of an EA as well

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its again not the finished project, its the early stages of an finished project

violet crater
drifting pivot
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I'm saying: "release the EA (not instantly) but keep updating it and fixing and stuff, over the course of time, so you can recieve support and feedback, etc."

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meaning any "unfinished content you don't wanna add now, can be added in later"

hazy wolf
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You just have to trust that the developers will release to early access when they've received enough feedback and completed the development required for the game to be in an acceptable state for early access.

violet crater
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Anyway looks like we are all in agreement that we do not know the state of Windrose outside of the demo, we can’t wait for EA and would like it sooner than later. We all understand the process of EA and its pros/cons. Currently it’s roundabouts so I’m going to close this thread.