🦑│lore-zone

[nova flame]

But he’s not really like sparrow

He was a wealthy landowner who got bored one day and ran away from his wife and kids and life of comfort to become a pirate

But he wasn’t really good at piracy

Interestingly tho this background meant he was the only pirate captain to pay his men an actual salary

[light wolf]

Yeah most pirates back then were more of a "thrill of the crimes"

And thrill of someone else rum storage also

[nova flame]

Funnily enough he met the real Blackbeard and joined him since his solo pirate career was not going well

[light wolf]

Mentioning about the guy, we should really have blackbeard interactions at some point, probably in 1-2 years

The game has so many potentials

I would love to see flying dutch man too

[nova flame]

Make him like the Disney Blackbeard where he got a magical sword lol

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-on-stranger-tides-jack-sparrow-blackbeard-gif-19618734

[light wolf]

He's ummmmm, cursed

[nova flame]

Ha loser

Imagine getting cursed

Couldn’t be our player with that amulet thingy

[light wolf]

I prefer not having a crew that're about to lose lost their minds like his

Too bad, we never get to see his ship in battle too

[nova flame]

Probably a future boss fight

[light wolf]

Could be, considering we could have ship boss fight too

The reward could be the ship blueprint, paints and flags etc

[nova flame]

I’d honestly prefer to have a ship boss fight cuz I suck at land combat lol

Naval fights r more fun

[light wolf]

Yeah I want more diverse naval skirmish too

Sick of sticking my head into crocodile mouth

[nova flame]

Fighting the same 1000+ generic ships lol

[light wolf]

Yeah we dont even have navy enemies

No royal navy, no spanish navy

[elder dirge]

I've been hunting plenty of crocs for their hide, but it's the quagmire powder I really need now.

[errant arch]

Right now it's just Blackbeard vs Smugglers/Brethern/Buccaneers/You

I bet when they release the galleon we do finally see the royal navy

Just in sparse numbers being attacked by BB as well

[nova flame]

Let’s hope to see the RN

Rule Britannia

https://tenor.com/view/navy-gif-23823168

[elder dirge]

And all I hear is hyacinth bucket singing it! 🤣

[errant arch]

Trying to get a perfect Pirate Shanty made for my ship, but the Suno just kinda sucks with call and response

[light wolf]

Yeah it's literally blackbeard vs everyone in the game

[frosty anchor]

let me side with blackbeard lol

screw the others

[vernal minnow]

to be honest i dont think blackbeard had that many ships under his command either but whatever game 🙂

There's soo many other interesting pirates other than blackbeard as well all well established accounts.

[sturdy geyser]

This is alternate 1700's earth with magic and quite possibly the mythological being real with Charon, Davy Jones and spirits being around. Blackbeard with his new magical thingy is using it to force other ship captians to work for him and explain his fleet

[cobalt moon]

Well they used a lot of real names already, and some are just mentioned in item details: Benjamin Hornigold, Samuel Bellamy, Stede Bonnet, etc.

[elder dirge]

That's how historical fiction tends to go...

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

Scammah

[nimble egret]

Done

[pine saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-eyebrow-raise-pirates-gif-9227372

[runic bramble]

I gave the frog boss my first try... Holy mama 😄

I was in for a rough ride

[elder dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-based-mazzerati-cigar-freak-gif-730125316377455817

Frog boss?

[nova flame]

I love how you don’t know what a frog boss is yet there’s somehow a gif to go with it 😭

[soft surge]

Floppy cigar

[soft surge]

Can my name be a cool color

[nimble egret]

1000 vbucks

[nova flame]

Shoulda asked for 20 million robux instead

[pine saffron]

Would've been better if it wasn't ai-generated.

[nova flame]

Eh this isn’t a malicious use of a clanker

There’s worse things ai can be used for

[soft surge]

would you take 1000 fiber instead

[silent atlas]

But, an unnecessary one, it wasn't hard to find an image of pepe in a suit made with human hands

Also I like how the arm is clipping into the armrest

[light ridge]

The creature's cigar is also lit on both ends, floppy, and he's starting to try and put the fire in his mouth.
As with all AI art, the longer you stare at it, the worse it gets.

[elder dirge]

Tell that to whatever the gif search provider in discord is. I just grabbed the first thing that looked appropriately silly.

[warped kraken]

Another hint in game Order (templars?) Blackbeard brig and frigate galions with C'thulhu figure

[silent atlas]

Fair enough, I don't blame you personally in any way, I just really dislike GenAI stuff on principle. No offence meant, and I do apologize if it was taken as such!

[elder dirge]

I have a particular disdain for artificial idiocy in general, so I get that. Just wasn't anything else even remotely like that in the gif list.

[silent atlas]

Fair fair, aye

[elder dirge]

It's slowly invading everything.

[silent atlas]

That it is, unfortunately

For my tailoring projects, it's becoming nightmarishly hard to find inspiration & reference pictures for specific sewing techniques and ebroideries nowadays...

[elder dirge]

I can only imagine...

You might have better luck with physical books, either purchased or from a library.

[silent atlas]

Oh yes, yes indeed, that is what I have had to resort to lol

I've been collecting old army "soldier books" from the 18-1900's for references of coats, formal dress, and older mens' clothing

[elder dirge]

It's really a shame. The internet had so much potential, some of which was realized. Then it was derailed with social media and now it's being utterly destroyed by generated garbage displacing actual good information.

[silent atlas]

The worst is sadly not even close to how I feel; Imagine all the illustrators, animators, and 2D & 3D modellers who work so hard to learn their hobby, and then some pillock with a half-assed prompt using a corpo program unjustly trained on their art goes and generates thousands of bastardized images in an amalgamated mockery of the style they spent years learning and personalizing

Also I'm realizing that this is vastly off-topic here lol, so I reckon we might wish to conclude here, or take it elsewhere

[elder dirge]

Things always get off-topic when there's organic conversation occuring.

[silent atlas]

Fair enough

And, well, seems we're in agreement and there is no flame-war in sight, so I fail to see any issues I suppose?

Alas, lore-wise, to bring this all full-circle

Frog boss?

I take it this is something I'll have to find out about the hard way as a newbie unless I want spoilers

[elder dirge]

I have no idea. Just finished getting my frigate's gear to level 15 last night. Been exploring the swamps, but I'm not to the boss yet.

[silent atlas]

I see I see

I'm imagining some frog-like Davy Jones-inspired monster pirate

That being said, It would be absolutely hilarious if it turns out to literally just be an absurdly giant toad

Just

Normal frog, but big

[keen elbow]

https://youtu.be/4r9TWqsTvLM?is=6k1i-gfGchvVB1qu

Fun channel this!

[clear orchid]

who do y'all think john doe really is

cause no way he's just some dude lol

[light ridge]

Some weird immortal by the name of Keanu Reeves

[worldly crow]

Davy Jhon Doe aka Davy Jones

[whole loom]

Doey Johns

[rugged sandal]

the fish in the water are cursed and the water itself is cursed.
how come i die when i swim for a little bit in shallow water?
think about it

[heavy musk]

Because the devs want us to suffer?

[west pine]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-mfw-data-tGQFAuLzsabkI

It really makes ya think....

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

[heavy musk]

I don’t understand why the mods are being called…

[swift cliff]

Scammah

[light ridge]

Usually it's because it's a bot or an infected person promoting a gambling site using four pictures to try and bait you to their website. And it's the same scam. Four to ten times a day on this site.
And since it's been sent to the Shadow Realm, you can't see why we called out. 🙂

[north pike]

i would assume cause back in pirate age there really wasn't much swimmers

[brisk patio]

anyone else wondering why there are just 2 ocean fields for the undead one for tortuga and one for just a little island with nothing on it ? why even make it the undead seas arround that nonsense island ?

[swift cliff]

A!

[brisk patio]

reported

[cursive galleon]

Zones for future planned content since Windrose isn't finished being developed yet.

[brisk patio]

not finished is one thing but putting sth in thats visible but useless and brings just up questions is not the plan of the devs i guess. and no i can say with pretty confidence that these 2 areas wont be ashland area bcause its undead area lvl 5 - 10 NOT 15 or higher

[cursive galleon]

It's a pretty common practice if you're familiar with early access games.

[brisk patio]

do u want to start an argue ? stop commenting if u just here to flame. thx

[cursive galleon]

I was answering a question you asked.

[brisk patio]

your second sentence is not an answer. its obviously that u try to say that im stupid xD no i never heard of early access and no never played any other game ea. Pls use your brain before u talk .. and no its NOT common that u dont have any explanations to things ingame. usually its hidden or explained. But i know its a bit smaller company so it can be that u are right but maybe its sth that offers informations or sth like many other games do 😉

[elder dirge]

It's an unfinished game. There's bound to be things that don't yet make sense.

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

ANOTHER ONE?!

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

Man again?

[nimble lagoon]

Bots are infinite. Just gotta keep bapping them when they appear

[wild portal]

ironic that the post under this ended up being that mrbeast twitter scam

[nimble lagoon]

That’s… exactly what I deleted before posting that yes

[wild portal]

you'd think they would try to change it up a little at this point instead of posting the exact same scam

[light ridge]

They aren't trying to catch smart people with a Mr. Beast scam. They're trying to throw the scam out far and wide to catch people that actually watch Mr. Beast.

The mods are going to have to invest in a honeypot, or sneak a button in the channels and roles that "only smelly bots click this button". Or a channel that instantly shadow bans you if you post in it. Because a bot will click every button in the channels and roles so they can broadcast on all channels.

[fringe marsh]

Tbh i havnt really seen a good way to keep this stuff out and have yet to see a bot that auto boots that

Was a big issue in a fivem server i use to be staff on and it was always just delete and ban as soon as you see it type sh1t

[light ridge]

I... just showed two options from two different servers that do just that though?
The honeypot app works by having an open channel that bots can post their botty ways in. And anyone who posts in that channel is just instantly kicked. No appeal, no tee-hee, gone.
The Valheim server does it differently by having two options on their channels and roles that say they are a bot. Since the bots automatically click all the options to get the maximum amount of channels to bot in without reading or comprehension because they are bots, they get stuck with roles that don't allow them to post anywhere. And neither place gets swamped with the same mass posting dumb bots.

[fringe marsh]

Oop sorry sorry didnt see the pic there hadnt loaded yet, ugh i hate discord mobile

[solar bloom]

Does anyone know if they plan on adding Dutch East Indiaman style ships in the future?

[heady onyx]

Who ever decided to have the crew sing is amazing!!

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

[clear orchid]

gangatron got hacked 😭

[swift cliff]

Bruh why it keep happening?

[clear orchid]

pretty sure its from false links

people keep clicking stuff they shouldnt be lol

LMAO

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

Another one!

[clear orchid]

twice in 5 minutes is CRAZY

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

WHY

[swift cliff]

guess what?

[clear orchid]

LOL

[nova flame]

Remember guys there are NO hot singles in your area

[clear orchid]

[fringe marsh]

Hopdfully Ik they have a East India Trading Company flag you can have but wish it had matching hull colors to go with

[heavy musk]

I want that

[lusty dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/no-quarter-gif-24082251

[nova flame]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-21841403

I want them to add his signature hat and cape so I can aura farm like him

[cyan vault]

close

[still comet]

Exxept for the white eyebrows

[cyan vault]

unfortunately, eyebrows count as hair 🤦‍♀️

[still comet]

Dang ..

Tried to make this one

It dont allow 2 tone hair

[fringe marsh]

Powdered wigs or even worn down powdered wigs would be one heck of a tough clothing item to wear

[shell pulsar]

cringe ai

[glacial dove]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-art-ai-bores-me-ai-boring-ai-content-ai-generated-gif-14126843253933570447

[strong owl]

Too bad this is AI generated and what does it have to do with lore?

[inland timber]

gooner

[glacial dove]

Bro stop. You not helping your cause

[neon condor]

what questline is this apart of

[swift cliff]

Am surprised its not against the rules

[nova flame]

https://tenor.com/view/clanker-kylo-ren-star-wars-star-wars-meme-roger-roger-gif-5903216794408442685

[strong owl]

<@&1354821664998817822> Posting AI created videos that have no relevancy to the purpose of this channel.

<@&1354821664998817822> another non relevant posting.

[nova flame]

Their pfp is clanker made lol

[inland timber]

<@&1354821664998817822> i wasnt finished with that video

[nimble lagoon]

You are now

[quaint vigil]

And with the tagging

[nova flame]

I feel like that hat is more close to Barbossa

https://tenor.com/view/apple-bite-fruit-eat-barbossa-gif-9227323

[nimble egret]

Thank you for pinging us.

[neon condor]

@nimble egret sorry for disturbing your hell let loose session

[nimble lagoon]

Next person to ping us without a valid reason gets a mute

[swift cliff]

I assume the first one was a valid reason to ping?

[nimble lagoon]

the first two yes. Subsequent pings no

[swift cliff]

(Made sure not to ping ya with the reply there)

Makes sense.

[neon condor]

@nimble lagoon

sorry mb

[swift cliff]

...you really wanna test the mods don't ya?

[nimble lagoon]

actual goober

[nimble egret]

No problem, I don't mind being tagged nor DMd. That's my job.

[worldly crow]

¿are you ok ?

[still comet]

I guess i have nothing of anny value to add annywhere on this server ...i might as well leave

[elder dirge]

If that was the bar to participating, they could just shut down all social media. Most of us have nothing if value to add most of the time. I know I don't! 🤣

[strong owl]

They would of been fine if they actually posted non AI videos with game lore instead of AI generated gooner material.

[elder dirge]

I didn't see any posts. Guess they all got deleted.

[nova flame]

It was ai generated videos of “pirate women”

[strong owl]

Yup, all of which had zero lore in them.

[buoyant ore]

I would concur that only posting AI slop definitely counts as nothing of value to add.

[thorny acorn]

Windrose fights in a nutshell…

[elder dirge]

Love that scene and the story behind it.

[simple dew]

AG_Uwu

[oblique needle]

Would love to see ships from the other Factions in the future .

[elder dirge]

I just want green sails and paints. Easy enough to make them smugglers faction stuff.

[nova flame]

I want there to be more ship types in general

[scenic mural]

Yeah we need a sloop

[swift cliff]

What do ya mean by sloop?

[light ridge]

It was a ship size between the starter boat and the ketch. But it had a lot of steering issues, and wanted to capsize, so it was left out of Windrose.

[swift cliff]

Well I mean like - the SOT sloop?

Or another sloop?

[light ridge]

I wasn't in the alpha when the sloop existed, and I can't find a picture of it. But probably.
And it could be named Sloop Dogg, or Sloop, There it Is.

I wanna say those level 2 blackbeard gunboats are the sloops, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm terrible with ship terminology.

[scenic mural]

I mean a sloop. It’s a type of single-masted sailing vessel.

They were very popular with pirates

Still very popular actually

[swift cliff]

...yeah but there are different kinds of sloops

[wintry zealot]

<@&1354821664998817822>

[nova flame]

The gun boats have 2 masts I think which means they’re not sloops

Sloop only has one mast

Buuuuuut those Blackbeard gunboats would be a perfect starter ship something you can use after the Kerch and before the brig

Would be nice to have

[nova flame]

We need those motorized fishing boats for the Somali pirate experience 🏴‍☠️

[elder dirge]

I believe they may be the cutter model.

[nova flame]

Potentially

They’d actually be perfect for early game tho

[glossy oar]

Wish the cutter wasn’t cut

[elder dirge]

Maybe it could make a comeback if they shifted the ships from bigger is better to balanced.

[scenic mural]

I mean sloops are still popular sailboats

[nova flame]

Well they’re a very practical ship type for most civilian small time use

[scenic mural]

Cutter has two foresails but only one mast
Maybe more of a schooner

[nova flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[elder dirge]

I'm taking about the in-game ship model, not a proper real world cutter. Haven't had a chance to compare the gunboats running around to the model of the cutter you can build as a decoration.

[elder dirge]

<@&1354821664998817822>

That must get tiring...

[compact chasm]

Found an interesting article about historical Caribbean witchdoctors who peddled curses and cures to pirates back in the 17th century: https://www.piratologist.com/carribean-witchdoctors-from-the-golden-age-of-piracy/

The association between pirates and magic was historical, not made up after the fact

[elder dirge]

A fool and his money are soon parted...

[nova flame]

Well this was back when modern medicine wasn’t developed yet so magic and snake oil cures was everywhere

[analog estuary]

<@&1354821664998817822>

[nimble egret]

Ty

[topaz quail]

<@&1354821664998817822>

[hushed forum]

Do we know when they plan on making the Cutter a useable ship? they were commonly used by pirates due to the fore and aft rigging compared to the square rigging on most larger ships? i figured that would've been the first ship over the ketch

[cobalt moon]

I think someone said the Cutter has been removed from game files. Not sure what the plan is for it, considering it was in the demo, but not in EA now

[hushed forum]

granted im also surprised that the Cutter is the one they decided to use rather than the Schooner. maybe they are changing it to a Schooner. Since the Cutter wasn't invented until the 1740s or so.. and Since Blackbeard was mainly active between 1716 to 1718. maybe thats why

it would make more sense for it to be a Schooner. Granted. i'm sure the devs know that. and they just chose to do a single masted ship which would be the cutter vs a 2 masted ship. to make the progress feel more apparent

[elder dirge]

Seeing as the available ships are just s straight upgrade over the ones before and we have one more biome to go, I doubt we're going to be seeing a smaller ship. I'm expecting a larger one that I won't really want, but will likely be necessary to deal with larger enemy ships. I think it'd be much better if there was more of a sense of balance between them.

[hushed forum]

If I’m correct the next ship will most likely be a galleon. But I could be wrong. And I do hope they have more ships than just the four. I want a wide variety. I know that’s asking for a lot though

I was hoping we would be able to have at least like 2 ships per zone. Ketch & Schooner, Brig & Brigantine, Frigate & Galleon but I understand that is asking a lot

[elder dirge]

Given current mechanics, that thing would be a crit magnet with the giant back end.

[lunar iron]

Gawd damn that is boootiful

[hushed forum]

I agree but they devs could just make the Crit box a little smaller or something for it.

[hushed forum]

Right!!! My dream ship. If I was rich! I would genuinely hire people to rebuild a model replica of a Galleon and I would just live on the ocean.

[lunar iron]

Former Navy here, if I had a Galleon I would keep that baby tied to the pier, and if I had to sail it I would stick really close to the coastline. The ocean is rough, and that's an understatement.

[brisk patio]

i hope we will be able to have at least the option to make potions and bandages on board

[fringe marsh]

ooo like a onboard ship minimal tool bench or like a workship in a lower deck would be cool

[brisk patio]

exactly what i think about ^^

[gentle basin]

https://www.fundacionnaovictoria.org/el-galeon-andalucia/

[hushed forum]

Oh i would most definitely keep to the coastlines. but it would be Gorgeous

[winged depot]

hello

iam searching for someone play with him

[hushed forum]

I know! I follow on Insta. Shes such a beautiful ship.

[hushed forum]

go to the Looking for Party Chat

[winged depot]

thanks

[hushed forum]

we have hammocks on the Ships. let us use them as a revival point even if it's only like 3 lives worth so it isnt busted

[swift cliff]

Brig from different game.

It's got more complex sailing physics, much more. But still nice model, it's not trying to be super realistic though

[hushed forum]

what game???

[swift cliff]

Sailwind

[hushed forum]

Steam?

[swift cliff]

Like model wise it doesn't look super realistic.

[swift cliff]

Ye

It also has 3 other large ships, and 3 smaller boats.

If u wish I can dm pics of those to ya.

[hushed forum]

i agree. not the most realistic but I think the sailing part of sailing. is super important. i wish Windrose has some more sailing Physics. i dont want hyper real. just something like faster with wind and slower against wind. and make smaller ships better against wind than larger ships

[swift cliff]

Ye. This one is probably more realistic than you'd like though, based on that.

[hushed forum]

oh i also want something a little more realistic but i mean for windrose i know realism is a bit much for a lot of people

[swift cliff]

(Like you gotta manually angle sails and make sure its with the wind, you gotta navigate manually, map doesn't tell you where you are, etc)

[swift cliff]

Dms?

This is getting a bit away from lore talk for windrose lol

[hushed forum]

true haha. and i'm not home im at work the only reason i can talk is i have a second. but lets get back on topic of windrose haha

[swift cliff]

We can go into dms.

[hushed forum]

Im sure the devs could figure something out with the big stern being a crit magnet. I’m imagining we are going to be getting an update with the mechanics at some point that make things change a little. But I got the photo from this discord

[elder dirge]

I believe one of the shipwrecks is more or less that model.

[hushed forum]

I believe so as well. But that would be like my dream ship.

I think they should make the actual Queen Anne's Revenge a Frigate with some modifications. since that's exactly what it was. a French Slave ship. that he commandeered added more gun ports and whatnot. it would be an awesome final boss or something

[frosty sail]

Would be cool if the only way to get it is to capture one from a Spanish Galeon Gold/Silver fleet or something.

[hushed forum]

I think they should make the actual Queen Anne's Revenge a Frigate with some modifications. since that's exactly what it was. a French Slave ship. that he commandeered added more gun ports and whatnot. it would be an awesome final boss or something

[hushed forum]

I that that is a great idea. I do think they need to add the Spanish and the EIC or the British Navy into the game

[frosty sail]

Btw- there is a yt vid with a bunch of ship types leaked. Everything from a single mast cutter to a Man-o-war. The models supposedly already exist in game. There's mod which allows you to use it. Idk the details though.

Idk if I'll get banned for putting the link to it in chat either lol.

[hushed forum]

i've seen it. it's an older video and i think some of them have been taken from the files

i wouldn't just in case

[south shoal]

I have a theory that they'll add the British with the Ashland's update, they've added signal fires which ask where the british were when Tortuga happened, and the Ashlands I theorize will give us explosives, it could make sense.

If rn we can only craft Handmade Gunpowder, then the British of all people would have access to saltpeter which is used in actual gunpowder.

[elder dirge]

Maybe I'll be able to get a spiffy officer's uniform and a royal navy ensign for my frigate...

[south shoal]

It would be nice to have even a tattered redcoat uniform

We have the spanish equivilent with the Conquisidor

[elder dirge]

I want a blue coat. Naval officer.

[hushed forum]

That would be fun! And a cool way implement them while leaving throwables to later areas

[hushed forum]

Yes please!! If only we could change our crews uniform even just like most basic looks

[south shoal]

The other direction I could see them going in is the oriental way with Junkships maybe

but thats too far away from the carribean really

[hushed forum]

I think it would’ve been nice if they just gave us the option for all of our ships! “Yes I know it’s not completely historically accurate but still” having the option to have (Fore and Aft rigging, Square Rigging, or Battened Rigging would be cool) but thats also a lot of work for the devs and I wouldn’t expect anything like that realistically

[pseudo radish]

Man... imagine fighting against a british Man-of-War; those juggernauts of ship could be the ultimate challenge for any sea dog

[south shoal]

Taking one wouldn't be easy, but it would be a lot more space to dodge around on deck

[pseudo radish]

The more terrifying prospect is their amount of cannons; their broadsides will likely be an instant battering ram to our ships

[eternal cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXxazufM0x8

[nova flame]

(Devs please give us customizable stern cabins 🙏 )

[hushed forum]

Full customization! But I trust the devs and know they can deliver the product they have a vision for

[light ridge]

We can be trusted with paint and crochet needles.

[keen elbow]

https://youtu.be/7cnJJpvl67s?is=NZYir1dS5OuNNvG5

[south shoal]

How I feel when my Frigate goes up against a Lv 8 Gunboat at point blank and both rows hit their mark

😈

[torpid linden]

Always a delight when Gold and Gunpowder drops a new video.

[nova flame]

Imagine what it would be like on one of those level 2 gunboats when they see our fully upgraded frigates….

[south shoal]

I just want a man-o-war

not a ship that feels like one

[nova flame]

Who doesn’t

[south shoal]

like rn we got the feeling

we just need the ship

[nova flame]

I want a galleon

[rare kindle]

i hope they release more ships

[nova flame]

They definitely will

[rare kindle]

Santísima Trinidad would be banger

[willow scarab]

we need way more civillians bc right now, we cannot BE a pirate.

[hasty arch]

I want the real pirate flag ship, the Sloop

[nova flame]

Sloop would be nice as a starter but it prob won’t be very useful later

[warm pine]

I'm hoping that if they add Galleons, they also add elite designs or elite ships you can capture of the previous ship sizes that are strong enough to compete with level 15-20 ships. Don't expect them to be able to win sitting still and exchanging broadsides, but strong enough that you can afford a couple of mistakes against bigger ships. All the better if the brig has a ram!

[nova flame]

Just give us rams for our ships

[warm pine]

https://tenor.com/view/ramming-speed-car-wreck-car-crash-truck-crash-wreckage-gif-1902736085312582377

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

Scammah

[cloud wharf]

A sloop that is basically a glass cannon of speed would be great

[quick tiger]

This ship looks more like a carrack to me than a galleon... 🤔

With that deep cutout in the middle and the overall hullshape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GeYQIBrg7A

[autumn hound]

Listen, after taking the Spanish Treasure Fleet, you bet I'm taking home a war galleon or two. How else am I to sack Maricaibo? Oh wait that was Pirates!

[hushed forum]

I agree. It does look more like a Carrack than a Galleon. But I am really hoping that it’s the devs version of a Galleon.

[nova flame]

A lot of things in this game do have a bit of creative license after all

[brittle rampart]

its missing the Forecastle

[round kestrel]

Where does that come from ?

Honestly I’m not against that they add multiple types of ship maybe all with they own special stuff going on, like the small one (smaller than the ketch) would have more speed, deadlier cannons but low health, galleon slow and powerful, maybe like Black Flag with mortar, one with moderate sides cannons but double cannons at the front or something

Also civilians ships roaming around could be nice

And more customisation options

The game is really promising and I’m enjoying so much right now, really curious about what they will bring in the future !

[brittle rampart]

the lack of things like Sloops, Schooners, Corvettes, Snows, Xebecs, Poliacres (Polaccas) and Indiamen is felt.

what's weird to me, is how under armed a lot of the ships are.
Ketchs common of the era had 6 gun a side, plus the 2 bow chasers

could have the ships start with a small weighted guns to, 6lbs to 9 lbs.

[quick tiger]

Hard to see for me from the angle the ship has on that picture.

[quick tiger]

Where does that come from ? - No idea 🤷‍♂️

"UnworthySins" said that the picture comes from this forum.

[brittle rampart]

I can, the bow section would have a small tower/superstructure with swivel guns on top and acts as housing for chase guns. its not really a galleon. carrack is probably the better classification.

[quick tiger]

Like i said. A carrack more than a galleon.

...

Maybe it's a Garak.... 🤣

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-ds9-garak-gif-10685651

ROFLMAO

[brittle rampart]

xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pYqXrFx6S8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nr1AgIfajI

[hushed forum]

That's where i got it from at least

[quick tiger]

From where on this discord did you get that picture and are there more pics of potentially upcoming ships? The one in that pic seems to be a brethren variant of whatever it is.

🤔

[unique cape]

hides under the table*** (demo footage!)***

[hushed forum]

I was talking about future ships in the Windrose Chat channel and someone posted it. idk who though

[quick tiger]

I really like the model of the ship. I hope the devs make good progress on it.

The movement was wild. ^^

[hushed forum]

how many cannons does it carry? and that looks crazy

As well and that Man O’ War in the background is huge compared to the Galleon/Carrack

[hushed forum]

Along with the amount of Heeling on that is asinine! It looks so goofy with that size ship

[light ridge]

I just have "Deja Vu" running rent free in my head the entire time that ship is drifting.

[unique cape]

im unsure about the amount of canons. never really fired them much.
it kinda felt like one between brig and frigate. the size was a bit odd but it was and still is a work in progress.
the 1st or whatever-rate in the background even more so. it can sail but the rest was not functional. i think that one was more of a stresstest vessel at that time so it will most likely bee a good while till that one will be in our hands

[unique cape]

i think it was yarmaster in general chat who posted something about this ship in particular a while ago

[nova flame]

Tokyo drift ahh ship

[unique cape]

well...it was called the "USS Driftwood" in the wharf back then... (manually named it so*)

[naive ravine]

what year is the game based on?

[swift cliff]

17XX

(Sometime in the 1700s)

[naive ravine]

is that an announcement from one of the devs or files? we were looking for clarification

[swift cliff]

Isn't it on the main menu or in the beginning cutscene?

Also we know it's when blackbeard was alive.

Who died in 1718 irl.

[hushed forum]

Blackbeard was mainly present during 1716 and 1718. so we are guessing its sometime around that. but then again Blackbeard didnt outfit all of his ships with Chthulu figure heads. sooooo liberties

[swift cliff]

Nore did he get a thing to raise the dead.

[hushed forum]

oh yeah. forgot about that vital piece of info XD

[spare birch]

I agree, using what we know of blackbeard it needs to be while he is alive/after when he should have died since an artifact is allowing people to come back from the dead.

[stoic tapir]

I find it wild that players can't actually take ships, especially since that was basically the only way pirates upgraded their ships/got new ships irl. I don't know of any historical instance where a pirate built their own ship from scratch (I've suggested adding the ability to capture and use ships twice on their suggestion thing but it hasn't appeared on their support page yet).

[round kestrel]

This or salvage parts of the boarded ship to upgrade ours

I like the fact that we get silver and saleable items, but resources could also be nice

[stoic tapir]

Yeah I like that idea too, makes destroying ships Vs capturing the ships a more interesting choice, capture by boarding you keep their ship, but destroy to get useful parts or maybe even blueprints for cannons hulls etc ?

[round kestrel]

It would be even more interesting if you had one slot for each cannon that you would have to build / buy / steal from captured ships, honestly I feel like this would give farming a more interesting purpose, as right now you only need to build and upgrade one single item, within a few hours your ship is already maxed

I’ve played many games where you had to farm for one item per slot, so for instance if your ship has 8 cannons slots then you need to build 8 single cannons

Another variant would be to be able to upgrade both efficiency on one side (like now) and amount on another side

[stoic tapir]

I understand the desire to have a single cannon = all cannons slot, for simplicity and to make getting out on your ship for that first time easier... But I do agree that it would make farming would be interesting, only problem is the game would have to individually calculate range damage and effects for all cannons

[round kestrel]

They should just add the damages of each cannon to a global damage count, and the special effects like perfectly aligned cannons etc as a global cannon mod

[grim compass]

Loooooooorrrreeeeee https://youtu.be/SP7VN2gFbTA?is=NpsfCHO0a3wLt5RL

https://tenor.com/view/law-police-judge-cop-dredd-gif-8606130

[autumn umbra]

THEORY TIME. John doe is blackbeard. 1 because of his name. 2 he is also afflicted by the blue herpes virus given by the relics.. 3 he knows a ton about the lore and history of them. 4 he is a shady dude who is very condescending and well educated..
Edward teach at some point was a school teacher yes?
It would make sense that he would attach himself to the main character to alow (us) the main character to take all the risk and exert all the effort to finding a cure to the blue goast herpes that they say could kill us at any moment.
Black beard/ john doe isnt actually the big bad.. he was messing with some ancient tomb or artifacts and contracted the goast herp..
The main big bad is the death god talked about at the alters in the swamp.. and is manipulating the pirates that think they are working for black beard. 🤷

[light ridge]

The second theory is he's Davy Jones and is a mite bit irate about the whole undead thing.

The third theory is he is Keanu Reeves, and you all are breathtaking.

[hushed forum]

Im sure Blackbeard will be the final boss of the game.

And he’ll probably be undead. So it probably takes place in the 1720s

[light ridge]

I'm hoping instead of him being a skeleboi, he's an undead like a giant bloated Nurgle worshiper. Like the Plague Crusher with ambition. Like the final boss fight is us in our SHIP versus him walking on the ocean floor.

[tribal reef]

Sink his ship only for him to rise out of the water and toss us onto land

[round kestrel]

Seen on Facebook, if this makes it into the game, I have no words, just, wow, hell yeah !

[spare birch]

You are right that historically they did capture ships they wanted to upgrade. But historically the whole "pirate battle" we are seeing was very uncommon. The ships shooting back and forth at each other until one couldn't move anymore and then the whole crew swinging over and battling it out topside was pretty rare. Most merchants that were pirated surrendered upon seeing the flag, or after seeing the first volley or two that would be warning shots.

Pushing too much for realism would take away from what makes the combat fun but I do think being able to capture certain unique ships or a system where you can't build a blackbeard ketch unless you previously boarded one might be interesting.

[void bloom]

Crosswind? Is that another pirate game or was that title used for windrose???????

[light ridge]

That was the original title of the game, back when they were thinking MMO, Live Service, and the phrase that is banned on this server.
But they ran into a whole mess of problems. That big ol' ship would make any computer hang for about half a second as it tried to calculate the mess of a broadside. The starting sloop was nearly unpilotable. Then they switched it to Windrose, and scaled back to single player with four person co-op for the demo, and bumped it up to ten, but recommended four people for optimal experience, for the EA we're in now.

A MMO is always troublesome because you have to build the game from the ground up to support more than ten players moving around in a single area. The communications and synchronization between all the players gets more and more complex each body you throw at it.

[copper citrus]

Easy balance: make a boarding action possible from the get-go. That's how John Paul Jones did it:
"Out-cannoned... Ship sinking... SURRENDER?! We've barely begun to fight!"

[eternal pelican]

I wonder what Blackbeard looks like in Windrose…

[nova flame]

He definitely has a black beard

[eternal pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-on-stranger-tides-jack-sparrow-blackbeard-gif-19618677

[cobalt moon]

Imagine he shaves to go incognito for a few weeks

[nova flame]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-potc-pirates-of-the-caribbean-sword-gif-4533655363472845984

[nova flame]

Blackbeard becomes black stache ☠️

[tacit hamlet]

Richard's was 7ft tall and Blackbeard has command of the undead. So I'm expecting him to look like something that crawled out of Davy Jones' locker 😂

[signal forum]

honestly? 6,4-8f large beard with sparklers attached, a 12 inch tall hat with his flag logo on it, partiall skeletal with 5 guns on his chest, he'll have a cutlass with sea coloured magic coming off of it, red coat with big brown boots

and in his 2nd form after you beat the first he'll turn into likely some form of giant dog shaped fish

[cobalt moon]

A dogfish, if you will

[fallow herald]

hi

[spark void]

has anyone noticed what i believe what are clues at brethren of the cost of what could be new content coming? just to name a few laying around that area Sharks, crab and fish traps, a sort of drying rack, and the strange one in the bar and off the cost there is a huge bone like fin or wing.... if these are clues that would be epic!!!

[gleaming timber]

Not sure if this has been thought of but does anyone know if John Doe is Blackbeard? Hands betrayed Blackbeard and want his knowledge so chained him up and tapped him for all the secrets of the idol? Without the wicks in his beard and being theatric he could be walking round Tortuga like a regular Joe and we’d never know.

[autumn hound]

I thought John Doe was Long John Silver

[light ridge]

Nah. Long John Silver had a peg leg and a fast foot chain. John Doe is just Keanu Reeves.

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822> bruhhhh

[crystal willow]

John Doe is charon. Why else does he have so much information regarding the obols?

[gleaming timber]

Ohhh good thinking!!! I just feel there’s so much leg room with the lore and story that this can be amazing untapped potential with actual and fictional pirates I’m eager to see what’s to come.

[crystal willow]

I could be wrong, of course, but no mortal man should have knowledge of the ferryman of the dead /shrug

[tawdry mauve]

I think he's an immortal, but not Charon. My money is on him being Columbus; he has too much knowledge of his associates in particular.

[warm crest]

Agreed !

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

Got a double on em

[swift cliff]

<@&1354821664998817822>

another one

<@&1354821664998817822>

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

[nimble lagoon]

how

MANY

[swift cliff]

Looks like 4 just today

[nimble lagoon]

not great not terrible

[cobalt moon]

<@&1354821664998817822>

[round kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2aKdeXaqj4

Tell me that this is for real and not a fake clickbait video

[elder dirge]

Considering it's not posted in https://discord.com/channels/1260209458924224542/1349723749858934834 or by any of the devs, it's definitely fake.

[round kestrel]

That still looks very accurate to the actual game tho

[elder dirge]

Doesn't matter a lick. If the devs didn't say it, it's pure speculation.

I haven't, and won't, watch the video.

[round kestrel]

Well honestly you should, just to see how similar to the actual game it is, even with AI I don’t think you can get that close to the actual look of the game, or it’s a mod, idk

[elder dirge]

Why would I want to support some jack on youtube putting out garbage claims about development he's not part of?

[round kestrel]

Nevermind bro

[elder dirge]

Don't get mad about a no BS answer to your question.

[signal forum]

captain falcore is well known for his colabs with the sea of theives devs and was even in one of windrose's trailers saying smt like "10/10 one of my new favs" or whatever, i think it's atleast fair to look into how reliable his claims are atm if he's saying them

[round kestrel]

If you don't want to even take a look at it I don't see the point of talking about it with you mate

[elder dirge]

It's not a reputable source with regards to the development progress of the game. There's nothing to discuss. It's some random guy's opinion.

[dire cobalt]

Will there be a new big/huge ship in the next update?

🫠

Hope they add new bigger ship than frigate, and ships can be customised like building decorations inside, cuz ship is the main house/transport of the mc

[dusk berry]

Personally, I kind of hope they don't add a bigger ship than the Frigate, but maybe insert another before it... since a Frigate seems to be kind of the biggest ship that'd make sense for privateers trying to look like a navy?

Unless a bigger ship was to become a really big deal (since it would be), with a full questline, finding more crew (particularly specialists like a sailing master and a Gunner) and maybe getting a fancy title from the Brethren.

[round kestrel]

I saw that one posted on this same channel a couple of weeks ago

It also matches with some of the shipwrecks you can find here and there, I see this as a transition from the Brig to the Frigate

I think what could be nice is having some specialised classes like :

Cutter : fastest but squeeshiest ship, made for travel and small combats, only broadside cannons but slightly more powerful than the Ketch

Ketch : all round light traveller, like we have now

Brig : stronger than the Ketch, less cargo, faster than the Ketch but less than the Cutter

Carrack (apparently that’s how the one on the screenshot is called) : between Brig and Frigate, the most cargo space, slightly more cannons than the Brig, slower

Frigate : as we have now

Galleon / Man o War : Heavy duty ship, but slow, highest cool-down for the cannons since it has the most

What could be nice too is having some sort of missions with each, like exploration, deliver a cargo, naval combat etc

Also having some special missions with the factions, like protect a convoy, target an enemy convoy, hunt, maybe they also need to add more factions, the British Navy, the Spanish Armada etc, could be sick

[dire topaz]

pirates didnt really use galleons though so i dont feel like it would be a realistic addition to a pirate game.
Galleons/man-o-wars were generally militairy vessels since they needed a huge crew and were slow and cumbersome next to a sleuth of other "issues" that would be detrimental to pirate life.

[dusk berry]

What do people tend to refer to with Man-o-War anyway? Ships of the Line? (Which would still be a broad category)

[dire topaz]

generally galleon sized and higher.
Though this is a common misconception. Man-O-War is any heavily armed ship specifically built for warfare.
Its actually a nickname instead of a specific class/category.

even sloops and frigates can be Man-o-Wars but arent generally used to depict one.

Theoretically warships were rated 1st to 6th rate and overall rank 5 and 6 ships were considered frigates and 1st to 4th tier would be considered man-o-wars

[round kestrel]

This

[round kestrel]

I get your point, I would yet still enjoy sailing on one of these tho, just for the sake of it, of course either it’s really difficult to obtain, or, you would hijack it (sorry for the potential typo if there is)

[dire topaz]

quote:

"man-of-war. "A phrase applied to a line of battle ship, contrary to the usual rule in the English language by which all ships are feminine. It probably arose in the following manner: 'Men of war' were heavily armed soldiers. A ship full of them would be called a 'man-of-war ship.' In process of time the word 'ship' was discarded as unnecessary and there remained the phrase 'a man-of-war.'" – Talbot."

[dusk berry]

considering the current Frigate seems to already be a 5th rate heavy frigate(?), a man-of-war / ship of the line / 4th rate or higher seems like the only significant step up. Also seems pretty big (and crew intensitive) to operate outside the support structures of an organized navy.

[dire topaz]

It is, and the fact that bigger ships are less maneuverable and slower sailing speeds make it a hard pick to chase & evade when needed.

Not to mention the draught such a ship would bring which would in turn cause for a need with ports with enough clearance.

A ship that size just can't go much places unless it's deep open water.

That's why frigates/galleons were still viable for solo travel and combat.
The slowest ships primarily sailed in a fleet to be able to support each other.

A single ship would be out maneuvered by a lot of smaller types of ship.

[dusk berry]

Maybe as a sort of "grand prize" a big or exotic ship could be interesting, but it'd need to be presented as super special, and not just a regular progression path.

Otherwise, another smaller ship might be more in line with privateer use. The Frigate already fits more into "we (Blackbeard and the Brethren, respectively) aren't just independent Captains, we're a paramilitary organization and we try to look it by having serious warships, for war, not just raiding."

[dire topaz]

Maybe, maybe some customizable ship.

There is one single instance of a galleon being pirated and the ship was modified to fit pirating standards.

They added guns and removed stuff like slave barriers to make it less top heavy.

The ship was named Whydah Gally

[dusk berry]

customizable would indeed be nice... wasn't there a comment somewhere that that's being looked into as an option, too, or some long-term goal?

[dire topaz]

Not sure , but I think I'd like to see some of the options regarding weight, speed, firepower and armor.

Turn the dials more than the guns/plating er have now

[dusk berry]

Granted, with my kind of aim, level of the guns matters probably more than number anyway... whether I hit with 3 out of 6, or 3 out of 12 - unless it's point blank range, I guess.

[dire topaz]

being a cannoneer is one of the hardest jobs on a ship like that.
So much to account for before taking a shot

[dusk berry]

on that note, something I also noticed when looking into historical ships... our guns are pretty heavy

[dire topaz]

yep, most standardized versions were the 9 to 12 pounder culverins on the higher decks and the 16-32 pounder ones at the bottom for stability reasons.

I would assume we're sailing a heavy frigate in the game which would historically run up to 24 pounders.
A 32 pounder would often be a carronade (Basically a cannon with a short barrel to save weight)

Our frigate is also mighty fast in sailing speed.
In general the "faster type frigates" travel up to 14 knots in exceptional circumstances.
My blackbeard frigate bobs on waves at 20 knots

[dusk berry]

if we had carronades instead of cannons, the weights would seem to match pretty well

[dusk berry]

for cannons, apparently even the USS constitution only had 24 pounders, and supposedly that ship was a scary beast at the time

[dusk berry]

180-300m range sounds pretty viable for what we're working with in game

[dire topaz]

for these, yeah.
In game we are actually cut short on range.
A typical cannon from that era could fire potentially up to 2000 meters in an elevated aim.
Effective firing range somewhere between 600-1000 meters max.

We are firing under 300

[light ridge]

Poor German cannon. Getting shamed like that. It's cold outside. There's going to be a little shrinkage.

[tight pelican]

A fast frigate with 54 pieces? Hell yeah?