#rekoning log review
placid nest
Hello 😄
so this is my recent jailer kill on heroic and i want to know what i can do better since i have decent/good gear but i feel like im missing something 😄
wind elk
haste isn't rly that good on kyrian
the kyrian "bis" profile uses ~4% haste
well lets look at gameplay
your rupture uptime seems fairly low, should be 90%+
your shadow dance uptime seems fairly low
placid nest
so always have shadow dance on CD ??
wind elk
you seemingly did not play the anima charges at all?
it is important to consume the anima charges during the 45 secs, simply ignoring it will not make you peform well
placid nest
so when im using echoing reprimant i want to make sure to cap combo point and spend them immidietly ?
wind elk
you basically want to use them if you hit the cp number
just for comparison, this is one of the top logs
if you compare it, your uptime on the buffs almost seems like permanent
you shouldn't force a use, you usually hit them naturally
ofc esp. the 2/3 one is a bit harder to hit
so you need to keep a bit track of your sht procs
you will very likely use the lower combo point finishers outside of dance
placid nest
so when you say i have to hit them you mean that when i see one glowing at 3 cp i use it at 3 cp and not cap on 6 cp ?
wind elk
slice and dice should be 100% uptime too
what i mean with "you need to hit them" means that it shouldn't happen that you never consume a certain value for multiple minutes
in the highlighted case 5 minutes even
if you have a hard time seeing the anima charged combo point, i would suggest using a weakaura
placid nest
so when one of these are glowing i should try and align my cp with the ones that are glowing to use an anima charge ?
wind elk
basically how it works is
you get a buff for 2, 3, 4 and 5
and if you hit a finisher on that value, it consumes the buff and the finisher acts as if it was used with 7 combo points
placid nest
ohhhhh
wind elk
the goal is to hit all 4 of them during the 45 sec the buff is up
placid nest
yeah that makes way more sence
wind elk
to dig a bit deeper into gameplay
you shouldn't use er in dance
it makes more sense to use it before dance, that is also what is suggested in the #subtlety-faq as opener
after the first dance, there is no reason to do more than one backstab and then go into dance again
you play PV, this means you need to consider your PV stacks
pv
so, instead of dance-dance
you would use a backstab to consume pv stacks
not doing so makes the trait a lot worse
placid nest
ahhh
wind elk
also, you shouldn't use rupture during dance, either refresh it before or between dances
placid nest
what i timing make it so it runs out during dance ?
wind elk
you lost 3 globals in this dance, usually try to keep high boss uptime
if rupture drops during dance, refresh it after
placid nest
okay
wind elk
this is bad for multiple reasons
#1 you would symbols-dance
#2 you would not use your cooldowns when you need to run
but in general, you have way to high downtime in the fight
you can use cloak of shadows against pmuch every boss mechanic, and you should do so
there is sprint, feint, shadow step and vanish shadow strike
so you should be able to stay up for a long time without extended downtimes
placid nest
sry if im not follow quite well, but you said i missed out on 3 globals ? what are the globals im missing ?
wind elk
just to give you a perspecitve
you basically don't use an ability for 3 seconds in your shadow dance
what means you lose casts you can do
placid nest
ahhh
wind elk
those casts are refered as globals, as they cause a global cooldown
wind elk
back to perspective, just to give you sth to compare on
this is the only downtime one of the players in the top logs has
ill post all downtime you have in the same time frame
this is all time you did not spend on the boss, you potentially could have if you optimized for it
placid nest
and this takes the LoS and chains inot consideration aswell ??
wind elk
the boss is scripted, so everyone needs to play the same mechanics
the main diffrence would come from how many bombs you get
placid nest
oh okay
wind elk
if you have downtime due to inefficient tanking, its good to talk to your tanks about it
but in general, using your tools you can usually play the fight with low downtime
placid nest
Any specific tool to use ? like vanish more often or ?
placid nest
so i wanna use my cloack of shadow to cheese most mechanics to have more uptime ?
wind elk
if you play your rotation correct, and have 20% downtime, and somone plays the rotation worse but only has 5% downtime, he will still outperform you by quite a bit
yes
placid nest
oh okay
wind elk
back to gameplay
er should not be used in dance
dance should be used in this case after symbols
so best would be to er-finish-symbols+dance
but one other big thing is, this is 64 secs in the fight
your first er use was 3 secs in the fight
er has a cooldown of 45 sec
placid nest
so i hold it way to long obv.
wind elk
so you did delay er by 16 sec for no reason
it is a "on cd" use more or less, ofc. there could be a delay given that you don't use it during shadow dance
but the delay wouldn't be this long if there was one
wind elk
you also keep using rupture during shadow dance
placid nest
thats a no-go
wind elk
it isn't as big of a deal damage wise, but still should not be done
you usually also refresh it in advanced for symbols if needed
towards your shadow dance use, you need to be a lot more agressive
shadow dance on kyrian is basically a "fire if possible", with the exception to look at your symbols of death cooldown and delay it for symbols if it comes up soon
wind elk
delay in this sense just means
don't fire your last charge if you wouldn't have a charge for your next symbols
you can wait on it if symbols comes up in ~8 secs
and you are only slightly above 1 charge
playing your cooldowns efficient is also very important
e.g. you generate more charges by playing the anima charged combo points hence dance gets more cdr from the 7 cp finisher
you get more dance charges by using er outside of dance as you will have more shadow strike casts
what leads to higher combo point generation and more potential 2p procs
so in summery:
- use shadow dance more aggressively (still only start dance with low cp)
- play around PV (what means use backstab between dance charges)
- optimize for uptime using your mobility and defensive cooldowns or good positioning
- use your cooldowns if possible, symbols on cd, align shadow dance to it, shb on cd, er on cd ourside of dance, ...
- use your anima charged combo points
- keep your maintainance buffs up!!!
-- snd should be close to 100% uptime
-- rupture should have a high uptime 90%+
to quick go over what you can or can't do with cloak
you can cloak for domination (the "line of sight" mechanic in p1) as well as chains
you CAN NOT cloak the MC in p2
to quickly talk about bombs, you can usually position yourself close to a hole to jump into if you get a bomb
so try to do so to maintain doing damage on the boss
placid nest
ty so much for taking the time to look at my logs and give me so much info on how to improve my gameplay, i will try my best to follow all the suggestions and hopefully become a better player 😄
wind elk
have fun, and if you have questions just come back and ask
placid nest
sure i will 😄
will you leave this thread open so i can go look at it if i need to ??
wind elk
i think it re-opens if you post in it again, but iirc it only times out after 3 days or so, so you have plenty of time
placid nest
okay 😄
placid nest
one last quiestion
if i can get the sylvanas dagger on normal, at what ilvl is it worth changing for 272 wep ?
wind elk
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wind elk
in offhand or mainhand
placid nest
ofhand
wind elk
sylvanas normal is quite strong in offhand, so you would probably only switch on aoe fights or in m+ away from it