#Yobroimnasty Log Review
scenic zenith
There, threads made I’ll do my best to look through it (I’m on mobile and I’m not exactly @tight tangle or @wooden ginkgo smart at sub) and I’m sure others will contribute!
sleek fractal
You'ré Mcnugx ye?
weirdge opening
back to back dancing wiithout procing pv
Your rupture uptime is very very low
slice and dice is SUPER low
you are delaying a lot of your dances
you had a very bad symbols choice
rupture in dance = bad
lost a lot of gcds in this dance
this dance as well
so
keep snd up;
keep rupture high uptime;
you can almost be perma dancing with 4pc+double leggo;
proc your pv stacks!!!!!!!!
weary tree
Should I even be worried about proccing PV if i dont even have the basics down?
And i was told that if i'm in shadow dance not to refresh rupture? Is that true or is that a lie?
And i dont know, but for some reason i am not able to keep track of all of this stuff, even with proper weakauras, all while staying in melee range of the boss and doing all mechanics
sleek fractal
Should I even be worried about proccing PV if i dont even have the basics down?
I mean yeah that's the basics
yes, rupture in dance is bad
avoid it
do it before or after, not during
weary tree
okay so if i can almost be permanently in dance with my 4 pc and double leggo, how am i supposed to keep rupture uptime high?
sleek fractal
you do it in between dances
weary tree
even if it still has a lot of time left on it?
sleek fractal
no
rupture lasts a long long time
but the main thing is not rupture, it's snd
you had 70 something % uptime, that's really bad
weary tree
do i refresh snd during the dance?
crystal grove
refresh snd in dance is fine but you should try avoid doing it
sometimes it just happens though
weary tree
man. I am really bad. Hopefully i can do this. It seems like it's really hard to remember all of these rules
crystal grove
dw, sub seems really complex at the start but it's rather simple once you get used to things
#1 always have slice and dice up
#2 keep rupture up but never cast during dance (overwriting a little bit earlier is okay)
#3 always have at least one dance for your symbols
#4 don't overcap on dance
the core of sub really just revolves around those things
so youre just working around a 30 second cooldown
weary tree
okay
weary tree
I really appreciate the help. The last question i had is what is the proper opener? I'm seeing a lot of conflicting information. I play venth in m+ and kyrian on single target fights
sleek fractal
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sleek fractal
pick any guide and be happy
weary tree
With all due respect, I’ve read all available guides, watched most YouTube videos. A lot of them say different things, so that’s why I’m here asking
wooden ginkgo
Idk what guides you’re using then because wowhead/method guides are all written by ravenholdt people, and most of the big YouTube guides use us as reference or even have us check their guide scripts before uploading
I can’t imaging there’s any crazy differences like “don’t use symbols on cooldown, hold it for when you have a dance charge after spamming it on cooldown” or something fundamentally wrong
They might not mention some min max things like backstabbing in dance since those are very specific
weary tree
I’m specifically referring to openers. One conflicting thing from the wowhead guide for example is that it says that with 4 piece and and double legendary, you can shadow dance on cooldown not worrying about pairing with symbols. I found out from this thread that isn’t true
I feel like that’s a pretty big thing to get wrong in my opinion so it’s hard for me to really trust the other stuff it says
By the way everyone who has responded, I truly truly appreciate you taking the time to help me talk through this it has already helped immensely
wooden ginkgo
I guess it does say that
The wording is a little weird for sure
Opener wise I don’t think it really matters that much btw
You can usually move around a couple of things here and there without much of a difference
But in general slice up first, symbols -> er -> dance and go is a pretty good idea
weary tree
Okay great, thank you. The one thing I do is with venth i flagellate at full combo points then finisher then symbols
weary tree
It’s not like the old days with the elitist jerks forum where you can pretty much read that and be good to go. I feel like there is so much possibility for bad info to be out there since anyone with a decent pc can make a good looking YouTube video and clip themselves parsing on normal.
wooden ginkgo
Yeah
tight tangle
It’s not like the old days with the elitist jerks forum where you can pretty muc...
I think the elitist jerks era probably had lots of bad information we just knew less about the game in general. But i get your point
weary tree
Well the priority lists and kits were much simpler and predictable as well so mathematically it was easier to determine sequencing, and the concept of an opener didn’t exactly exist either.
tight tangle
I think the reason there is conflicting information on openers in particular is because the differences are in the sub 20 dps territory so it often comes down to what you prefer (among those best case openers)
As for kyrian dancing on cd, i am pretty sure wowhead also states that you have to be mindful of your symbols cd
weary tree
For sure. The very last question I have is something that happens on fights to me regularly. It contributes to a feeling of a dead zone per se and makes me want to spam buttons. The scenario is as follows: no cds available, rupture and slice false off. Energy regen is slow. Do I backstab to 5/6 cp and refresh each before the next dance window, even if the cds become available before ive refreshed the abilities? That will be the final piece of this puzzle for me
tight tangle
I mean you have pandemic timers for these abilities, so ideally you plan ahead and dont let them drop
weary tree
I guess doing things properly this scenario probably won’t come up enough to matter
tight tangle
Like if rupture has less than 8 seconds left and symbols is about to be ready then you just refresh
Same goes for snd except its like 12 seconds left
weary tree
Great. Thanks a ton
tight tangle
But you can refresh snd in dance if its going to drop during it
Rupture, you rather not. But you can use the cps you get from the last 2 shadowstrikes in a typical dance to refresh it
And the loss of uptime should be just a few seconds
weary tree
Alright, thank you. The general idea I’ve gathered is this spec requires great patience. I’ll try to keep that word in mind going forward.
weary tree
Sorry not familiar with that acronym
tight tangle
Idk how you hit it, but a super simple way (doesnt work with blades) is to just wait for sht to proc and stab into finisher
Anima cp
The ER stuff
weary tree
Ah ok
weary tree
Hey, just wanted to post that i parsed my first 90 following what you guys helped me with. here is the log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jma6kgn3AfF81XxM/#fight=last&type=casts&source=11&view=timeline I think my opener looks pretty solid here, and im remembering to always have a charge of dance for my symbols. I'm also starting to get good at proccing my perforated veins. Thanks a ton for everyone taking the time to give me advice
weary tree
oh word? that's what's up
yeah i could have been better w/ my rupture uptime i think, 50 some-odd percent seems low. Gonna keep working on this guy. I am starting to enjoy it more and more every day. Can't wait until season 4 for a chance at the sylvanas dagger 🙂
sleek fractal
Love to see that, keep killing it