skip log analysis

[torpid lance]

there we go

[prime frost]

[rose olive]

here for example

why BS twice

just dance king

[prime frost]

bc I had to rupture no?

[torpid lance]

he probably wanted to finish before dance

[prime frost]

Rupture out of dance

And maybe I already had 1-2 cp

[rose olive]

I would flat out bs > dance

[prime frost]

hm ok

[torpid lance]

hmm

[rose olive]

why er there

[prime frost]

whats wrong with that

[torpid lance]

you basically could er-finish-dance there

er-finish would mean you get a high duration rupture

towards er, you don't want to use it in dance

[prime frost]

o I didnt know that

I always just sent ER on cd

[torpid lance]

but he did play it here correctly

in terms of backstab-finish-dance

(i only used numbers to see if you hit all gcds)

[rose olive]

in regards to this, why did you er there isntead of when it was off cd before dance

you had just finished

so weren't high cp

since it's off cd at 42s

[prime frost]

maybe to hit one last anima charged?

is that ever worth?

[torpid lance]

you lost a global here
log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BhAca9JnHytjGNmb#fight=22&source=1&type=casts&view=timeline

er should have been before dance here

er-finish-dance

[prime frost]

I always tried to ER with dance or like with the symbols

cus I assumed

since we did it on pull

it was better to ER with symbols

[rose olive]

no

on cd

[prime frost]

i see

[rose olive]

if it lines up with sod cool

[torpid lance]

but this is a repeating thing

just to explain it

you basically lose 2 globals in dance if you dance-er-finish

so better to use it before

[prime frost]

So would I want to avoid backstab before the dance? to ER at 0 cp and dance finisher

[torpid lance]

if you have er up, just use it unless you would waste the cp

[prime frost]

Ok

[torpid lance]

there is not a lot more to it

just not in dance

[prime frost]

how much cp does ER give like 3?

[torpid lance]

2

[prime frost]

alr

so if I know I can hit a anima charged combo point before I er aka finish ER dance

is it better to just send ER there or to get the anima charged thats gonna get wasted

[torpid lance]

probably better to use your anima charged before using er again

[rose olive]

Yeah always try to hit them before if you can

[torpid lance]

but you rarely have that overlap

[prime frost]

you know the outlaw bug that ER buff isnt displayed

but its still active

like after it fades your 4th anima cp will still be charged

does it work on sub?

[rose olive]

it falls off after 45s

[prime frost]

Yea I know that

it does on outlaw too

but there is a bug that after the 45seconds

the combo point is still charged

its just not displayed

[rose olive]

I don't think so

at least I've never seen that reported for sub

[prime frost]

weird I would think it was for all the specs

hm

need to check

do u know anything abt this? @torpid lance

im going rn to some training dummies

gonna log it ig

[torpid lance]

there was a bug with anima charged cp on kyrian outlaw

but i think that one is fixed if you use a non snd finisher or so

[prime frost]

no no not that one

1 sec

logging it

gonna try it on both outlaw and sub bc I know for a fact its a thing on outlaw

yea it works

so after the buff fades after 45 seconds the combo points are still charged

lasts forever

thats basically how I always abused the SND bug on outlaw

1 sec uploading

[rose olive]

[prime frost]

idk why my log isnt uploading

stuck at 0%

[rose olive]

so you can finish in 2cp after 45s

and still get as if 7cp

[prime frost]

yes

[rose olive]

and gives the cdr

[prime frost]

yes

nah but ffs

[rose olive]

would probably take a lot to work out the loss/gain

depending on how long you're holding er

and if the sims can even recognise that it's still charged

when it's not

if you get what I mean

[prime frost]

yea

[rose olive]

but tbf the sims usually always hit all 4 cp

way before the 42s

[prime frost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f6ADa4NcjBybvrXw/#fight=last

@torpid lance

I have no clue where you check the damage of each tick and shit

but it should show that its hitting for more + the cdr

did that even work?

why is 5seconds

im gonna lose it

[torpid lance]

sry, atm cooking ^^

[prime frost]

np

trying to run logs

shits so aids

[rose olive]

live log

[prime frost]

does it stop logging after combat is dropped?

[rose olive]

no

[prime frost]

ok

ill live log

[rose olive]

you have to stop it

[prime frost]

yea

I did /combatlog

and then did it again

1 sec ujntil ER is back up

[rose olive]

live log will just do it when combat ends

[prime frost]

ok I just did live log

and stayed in combat

Xd

[rose olive]

yeah leave combat

it'll add it to log

[prime frost]

ye I stopped it tho

im dumb

one more try

[rose olive]

fucking hell

[prime frost]

I hate this shit

[rose olive]

I can always just test it myself when I get home

if you're too dumb to log

[prime frost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zVdvJhMQ4CLAFXTm/#fight=last

this should be fine

[prime frost]

IT DIDNT FUCKING WORK

AHJLGFSGKJDFDFG

AHJAHJAHA

IT STOPPED RIGHT BEFORE THE FUCKING BUFF DROPPED

??LOL

Im jnust too special for this

[rose olive]

have you tried

ER > right click buff

instead of waiting

or does it only work if it naturally falls off

[prime frost]

no clue

could test both

[rose olive]

I'll look into it when I get home if logs no work

[prime frost]

but at this point im just so out of it

[rose olive]

I mean it's like 3am for u

go to bed cretin

[prime frost]

it works if you right click buff

its 6:30 am

[rose olive]

okay I'll look when I get home in 5hrs

unless a tc can look into it before then

[prime frost]

this logged properly https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mKHRJF3C1fAbWk94/#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=1&view=events

idk exactly where to check the cdr

But I made sure to use something to show cdr and damage

like have dance on cd

Either way i dont know too much how to verify damage but it should show its still empowered on the finisher and show the reduced cooldown

after the buff falls off

[rose olive]

buff fell off

evis hit 10k

[prime frost]

yea idk how u check at what cp I finished

but I even tried to rehit the same cp

[rose olive]

evis after hit piss

[prime frost]

yea

I think those are same combo points

[rose olive]

finished on 2cp

[prime frost]

yea thats one I already used

im gonna try to relog it but just right clicking the buffs

[rose olive]

best thing to do is test a 2/3cp finisher with buff

then a 2/3 cp finisher when the buff falls off

without any other finishers

can just snd with excess sht cp

since not affected by animacharge

[prime frost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JMaQfyhDgvzTKBct/#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=1&view=events

thats what I just did

with rightclicking buff

towards the end is the non charged combo points

[rose olive]

yeah it's really hard to see in log

cos you're trying to track stuff that doesn't exist right

according to the game

[prime frost]

even does animation in game but obv that doesnt matter

[rose olive]

Would have to test in practice I feel

to really understand if it works

[prime frost]

im sure fuu will know if it actually works

but im 100% sure it works

works same way on outlaw

[rose olive]

does seem to work yeah

cos 5k regular evis

at 3cp

10k charged

[prime frost]

I doubt its actually worth or good but in case ur missing 1 anima charged and ur ER is up and buff fades away

u can just hit it still

[rose olive]

it'll likely come down to

how much time is holding er for worth it

[prime frost]

ye

[rose olive]

but it also means that if you get 2/3/4/5 cp

and it just fell off

you know what we're the big dumb

why don't you just test rupture duration

rather than fucking about with evis dmg

just apply a rupture lmao

[prime frost]

[rose olive]

[prime frost]

31 second rupture

lemme log it now

[rose olive]

na log stinks for rupture timings

[prime frost]

o

[rose olive]

it won't say how long the debuff duration was applied for

only that it was applied

[prime frost]

I see

[rose olive]

so you'd have to log the whole duration

[prime frost]

lmfao

[rose olive]

of rupture

and look at debuffs applied by friendly

you'd have to look at it like this

[prime frost]

this is the best ill do for now

I need to sleep

[rose olive]

cos in events

yerp that's a 7cp rupture

@torpid lance so yeah work out how long holding er is worth to hit animacharge if you don't hit it before er comes off cd

thanks

[prime frost]

[rose olive]

cos the buffs are invisibly still active

until you er next

have fun

🙂

[torpid lance]

haha nice

[prime frost]

also regarding finality

is it better to reapply rupture instantly to main target

with the damage buff

I legit have no clue and im starting anduin prog soon

or do you hold it till the buff is abt to fall off

[rose olive]

well shadow dance is 16s of the 30s buff

you've got 14s between that first application and the 2nd

so likelihood is you'll rupture before finality buff falls off anyway in pandemic range

if playing kyrian, animacharged rupture is 31s

9.2s pandemic approx

9.3 even

so you've got 10s ish leeway with finality buff

to apply another

[prime frost]

kk

[torpid lance]

@rose olive @prime frost so, how to reproduce it, i am atm on ptr testing some bugs

[rose olive]

ER buff runs out

CP stays animacharge forever

Can click off buff and it's still charged even

[torpid lance]

ye i tried to clock off the buff

[rose olive]

Yerp 31s rupture

With 2cp and no buff

[torpid lance]

moment, ill try if it stays anima charged

or if its just one use

[prime frost]

its 1 use

[rose olive]

It's one use

[torpid lance]

okay, fair

[rose olive]

Basically it functions as animacharge until you use the CP

[torpid lance]

ill open a issue for it then

[rose olive]

we never said that

[torpid lance]

haha ^^

[prime frost]

I doubt its any dps increase

ill be honest

[torpid lance]

i already opened 4 issues today

it probably isn't

[rose olive]

More wanted to know how long we could hold ER

To hit invisible animacharge

Without it being a loss

[torpid lance]

probably not for long

[rose olive]

Yeah, I'd wager 5s at most

[torpid lance]

but could be relevant if you calculate casts over a fight

[rose olive]

It's also good to know because for ex. On Lihuvim

Cos the opener has a little downtime

And killing the big add

I sometimes have 2cp & 5cp charged

Buff drops as big mob dies

But I'm at 5cp

Or 2cp

So I can animacharge 2cp into def mob

[prime frost]

I did use it on lihuvim

[rose olive]

It's a very good use case for it tbh

@prime frost you found the same in opener I assume then

[torpid lance]

i mean, it should be fairly easy to keep your cp empowered

by basically coloring them for as long as you didn't finish on the certain cp

[rose olive]

Dance > motes > dance > Big add > buff goes > Kill def add

[prime frost]

ye

I used dance symbols and ER on opener

it was great for outlaw snd infinite cdr bug

always could keep the ER charge

[rose olive]

mote downtime at 18s

big add dies at literally 45s into fight

But yeah, @torpid lance I can see plenty of times where "abusing" the invisible charge would be beneficial

[torpid lance]

It seems like a nice bug ngl

[rose olive]

could probably hit 2cp on purpose just before buff ends

and downtime coming

for instant charge on return

would be a gain

[torpid lance]

could be abusive in pvp

don't think it rly matters for pve

[rose olive]

Yeah, pvp it would be thunder fucked up

PvE it's gonna be good for rupture qol

[torpid lance]

good think pvp players won't know it exists unless we tell them ^^

[rose olive]

or if you get good proc luck

there has been plenty of times where I get good proc luck, can't hit 2cp

then get 2cp after buff falls

[torpid lance]

not sure what i tested on ptr but i found this funny

alright, seems to work on all 3 specs

XD

haha

[rose olive]

yeah

is it a bug with cov lego

or the ability

that's next thought I had

[torpid lance]

probably the ability

given that they had so many bugs with it on ptr

[rose olive]

It was very messy

[prime frost]

its the ability

it worked on outlaw without resounding

about time I sleep