ilthia log review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 5:45 AM

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pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 6:52 AM

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You prefere me to go over a kyrian or venthyr log?

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To answer your question about Kyrian/Venthyr on halondrus

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it depeneds

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a lot of factors contribute to kyrian getting ahead

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basically you can think of it as a gap that gets wider then more you add to it

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venthyr/kyrian only have a small % gap dps wise

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then you add 2p bonus, kyrian has more chances of proccing the 2 piece bonus due to higher dance uptime

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then you add 4p bonus, kyrian has a higher chance of proccing the 4p bonus due to the covenant ability and more combo point income

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then you add akaaris and PV, more dance uptime means more akaari procs and more PV stacks

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Then you add Sylvanas dagger

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The higher dance uptime and cp generation gives it a lot more value

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and all can in best case add up to have a around 800 dps gap on the fight

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or in general a around 1k gap

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but context matters, and this is why people need to sim for their gear

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now, i just need you to tell me what covenant i should look at for halondrus given that you have a log on both of them

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:09 AM

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I want to play what's best. I plan to go kyrian in mythic it's just that my guild gets kinda impatient during heroic so I am locked into whatever I start with. Cuz of that I have logs for all bosses (I think) on both kyrian and venth

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:11 AM

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looking at halondrus with kyrian.
your rupture uptime is rly bad

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should be 90-98%

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slice and dice should be close to 100% uptime, was 90

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you did not use a er combo point here

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in the opener you want to er before using dance

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usually

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:14 AM

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I want to always er outside of dance generally right? I feel like I often use it inside as it comes up but I feel like that's wrong

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:14 AM

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the backstab here is to late for a backstab during dance

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yes, you basically never want to use it in dance

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you rly need to not do backstab in dance

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it is only better if you have at least 3 secs of dance left

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if you only have 2 or 1 just use bs after

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also you always need shb to be up to use it during dance

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this use could have been correct, lets see if you have shb up

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nope

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in general, the optimization of pv is only worth it if executed corretc

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*correct

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even top end player don't do it

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so no need to be forced to do backstab in dance

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:18 AM

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Oh okay didn't realize that. I was under the impression I was wasting akaaris without doing it

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:18 AM

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you will use backstab between dances to get rid of stacks tho

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it basically is just a matter of getting enough value out of it to be worth using

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and a lot of things need to align to do that

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just using backstab in dance always on high stacks is rly bad

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:19 AM

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I see. So that also means that I am doing a other bad thing by immediately chaining dances? I should try and backstab first in between chains?

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:20 AM

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yes

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you don't dance back to back if you have high PV stacks

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you would use your stacks with a backstab

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then continue to dance

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(assuming you are not on high cp, in that case finish and dance after)

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er could have been used a lot earlier here

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e.g. at 47

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er should have been before or after dance here

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there is nothing wrong with doing

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symbols-er-finish-dance

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rupture in dance is not great on st, you should either refresh it before or after, but as mentioned above you did kind of just ignored it often it seems what is also not great

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:23 AM

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I feel like I always use dance -> symbols, is this bad or is that okay to do?

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:24 AM

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this is also bad, just use step/sprint/etc more agressive

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basically how it is

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you have a lot of dance charges, so you can often just fire dance

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:24 AM

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It also feels like I am often flooded with energy and waste a lot of energy with symbols

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Yah

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:24 AM

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(ofc considering combo point values and pv stacks)

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but if you are close to symbols and barely have 1 stack of dance

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you would align it with symbols

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so in general, its fine to dance-symbols-dance (bs to consume pv between)

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but its not good if you end up with dance- symbols---------- dance after symbols or late during symbols

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also one thing, as i am unsure you did this

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you play chanins

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halondrus hitbox is rly easy to do this

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but you need to break chains of the trinket to get the max out of it

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just the mentioned above happened in your log too for example:

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you ended up backstabbing through symbols

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you also ended up not on the boss for quite a while during one dance

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:30 AM

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Yah I have low ilvl chains and earthbreakers, been using the latter but I am pretty bad at optimizing both. It felt weird to find a time to run out for the chain break. With earthbreakers I find it hard to see the things to step on.

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:31 AM

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you can just move around, the circle isn't to big

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with circle i mean area the fissues spawn

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so kyrian is basically as you probably realised fairly straight forward

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but still a lot of small things to consider that can make a diffrence

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(also getting 4p is a big damage boost, so logs will go up naturally when you can fill the set)

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:34 AM

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Oh did I not have 4 piece in that one?

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:34 AM

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no

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probably got it after that ^^

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:35 AM

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Ahh that's quite an old log then. But that's okay because I know that a lot of those mistakes I still make lol

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:35 AM

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30th march, so around a week old

bold blade Apr 8, 2022, 7:37 AM

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Well thank you so much for your time. I think that should help out a lot

pliant ferry Apr 8, 2022, 7:37 AM

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good luck in your next fight 🙂

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