reece log review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 4:47 PM

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who of the 2 are you?

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 4:47 PM

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Sassyshinobi ^^

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The bad one 🤣

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 4:52 PM

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everyone starts out low, so no worry

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slice uptime looks fine, rupture okay

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shadow dance uptime looks low-ish for 4p

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 4:54 PM

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Ahh, I see, so be more aggressive with it?

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 4:56 PM

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well lets see, lets go over the timeline

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you should have went directly into dance here

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so symbols-er-rupture-dance
or symbols-er-dance-rupture

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i assume you did snd pre pull

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with snd up you would only use strike 2 times

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max

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 4:58 PM

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Yeah, I use DS before pull

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 4:58 PM

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because you get 1 sht proc during that timeframe

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so reach 5+ cp

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 4:59 PM

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Yeah I think that's just me being an idiot dodging the swirlies and not being as focused as I could be

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:00 PM

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rupture should have been used after dance here

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:00 PM

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Ahh, so we don't rupture doing dance at all i take it?

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:01 PM

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in single target yes

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:01 PM

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Okay thank you that's huge info

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:02 PM

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not rupturing in dance will def help your dance optimization seems a bit off? Im mostly seeing a large gap in number of shadowstrikes cast vs backstabs cast between the two of you. he had more Evis, shadowstrikes and substantially more shadowblades uptime (set rng is a factor here)

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he had 2 more dances then you and 10 more evis casts, 15 more shadowstrike casts and like 18 less backstabs

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:03 PM

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not rupturing in dance is a small optimitation

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backstab as first gcd in dance is not great

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:04 PM

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another minor optimization, he is casting shuriken toss to generate CPs for when he gets back to boss during downtime

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i dont see any casts of it in ur log

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:04 PM

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i mean yes, his shb uptime is rly low for 4p

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so rng is a big impact factor

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:05 PM

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yup, he had the same amount of sblade casts

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and only like 10 less shadowstrikes

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so def rng was a substantial factor here

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:05 PM

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I see, I think it's me trying to juggle PV but if dance is up I should probably prioritize it less

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:06 PM

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you only backstab in dance with shadowblades up, 6 stacks and 3 seconds (or more) left on dance

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well on dance+blades+symbols

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but dance is usually the limiting timer there

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:06 PM

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you usually use PV stacks before going into dance

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:06 PM

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^

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:06 PM

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the backstab in dance condition is fairly optional

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it isn't even worth that much dps due to the frequency

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:07 PM

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So in general, if I just focus more on my dance windows and say for example, ignore PV inside of dance for the most part I would see an overall dps increase?

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:07 PM

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i mean this is rly bad

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sending dance into downtime basically costs you an entire cast

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:08 PM

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Yeah, that is pretty tragic

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:08 PM

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i would also say, you could have here waited for symbols to use dance

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:09 PM

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it gets really easy to yolo dances as kyrian because it feels like you always have it up, but dance is a very flexible timer

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always be tracking when symbols will be coming up to try avoiding sending a dance shortly before it like that

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:10 PM

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you basically want to yolo it most of the time

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ofc considering combo points and pv

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:10 PM

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So if it's like >10 seconds until sod just wait?

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:10 PM

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the only thing you care is symbols

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:10 PM

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^ between each dance I dump PV, check timers to refresh SnD/rupture, check timer on symbols

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then decide whether to send another or not

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:10 PM

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if symbols comes up soon and your dance charges arn't high you just wait

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if your dance charges are high

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nothing bad at dance-symbols-dance (with backstab and probably finisher between)

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(or symbols mid first dance if it comes up)

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:11 PM

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^ if you are at like 1.5 dance charges and you have some animacharged combo points (even without) you can just send it

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the big thing is you dont want downtime of no dance charges with time left on symbols after

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and dancing into nothing is just double punishing because you gave up a dance charge and all the additional dance cdr you get from the generation inside dance

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thats really just about the worst thing that can happen to sub

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:12 PM

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it happened a lot that you ended up using symbols and had a lot of backstabs after, this is when you want to focus on lining it up

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:12 PM

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I see that makes a ton of sense,. It's just wasted potential

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Thank you for this it's giga helpful

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:14 PM

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twist is also entire correct, a lot of the things i mention are minor optimizations

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but focus should also be on "what can i do better"

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the general thing i saw was:

backstab as first gcd in dance happend a few times, this lowers your strike cast and directly impacts the amount of 2p procs you can get
you did lose 1 gcd some times in dance due to likely mechanics, also lowers strike casts
dance was aligned poorrly with symbols, what is probably easy to correct
as discussed, it might be worth to be more agressive even tho your shb uptime was fairly low for 4p what means you potentially also didn't get a lot of procs

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rupture in dance, you usually refresh it between dances or in preperation for symbols

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:17 PM

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def lowrolled your set rng but still plenty to fix

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:17 PM

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I'll definitely think on that, I knew I was making some big mistakes for my damage to be much lower than I would like. I just have to think a bit more in the moment when sending things quite brainlessly.

Thank you Fuu & Twist for your insights, have a great day!! ❤️

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:18 PM

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the mentioning of shuriken throw is also very good

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:18 PM

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oh ya i forgot that, skollex has forced downtime, rather then sit on ur hands throw some ninja stars at him

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:18 PM

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if you have downtime don't hessitate to throw a shuriken at the target to not energy cap

void nebula Apr 7, 2022, 5:18 PM

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on short downtime it lets you get back to the boss with cps to spend on a rupture/evis

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on long downtime you can refresh SnD etc

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continue getting dance cdr for when you reconnect

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:19 PM

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Sweet, I'll make sure I do that, it's something I don't do, it's a lot of wasted downtime and Combo points

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:19 PM

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its a minimal optimization, but we are sub rogues so we take all we can get ^^

void pier Apr 7, 2022, 5:19 PM

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Hell yeah, thanks both of you ^_^

deep crest Apr 7, 2022, 5:26 PM

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also one thing i noticed

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your weapon cache use was 32 sec in the fight

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given that it rotates every 12 secs, you usually use it within ~25 secs

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could be in this case because of earthbreakers, with causes a cooldown on it

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but double check your sim with cache in both trinket slots equipped and see what is better to be used first

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