simi log analysis | Ravenholdt | Page 1

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 3:56 PM

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oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:01 PM

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Hi

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:03 PM

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hi, the log you linked does not open for me. But i am also unsure what you want people/me to look at

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you talk about raid or m+?

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:04 PM

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m+ is what ive been doing and following the guide of Wow head but no matter what i do cant really pull more that 3.8 - 3.7k dps

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not really a raider mainly do only m+

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try this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/simirogues?zone=25&new=true#boss=12284

vagrant cliff Apr 3, 2022, 4:05 PM

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those are all leaderboard logs, won't work

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:05 PM

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^

vagrant cliff Apr 3, 2022, 4:05 PM

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here's a link to a LFR log

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nnka7BJWL3pmwYV6#fight=37&type=damage-done&source=1502

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it's on their character already fuu

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:06 PM

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ah, makes sense

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well then lets look at the lfr log

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there are a lot of issues in the opener

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#1 you did not apply slice and dice

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#2 you did backstab after dance

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#3 you did use 3 times strike

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#4 you did play flag incorrectly

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#5 you did delay cooldowns for a lot

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:10 PM

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ok ty for that will work on those

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my main issue though is more in m+ than raids so would it be ok with u guys if i came back to u with a log of that as well for u to check?

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:15 PM

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dance has 7 gcds

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symbols is delayed here

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this is played completely wrong

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the symbols cast in this sequence is at 79

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this is the next symbols cast after

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thats 58 secs after

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symbols is 30 sec cooldown

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so you basically delayed it by close to the cooldown

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slice and dice uptime is atrocious

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it should be close to 100%

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rupture uptime is even worse

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so i guess ill just write down how gameplay works

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symbols is a "on cd" use more or less, yu use it when it comes up

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:21 PM

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please any advice is welcome

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:21 PM

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shadow dance always aligned to that

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you will have more charges that 1 every smybols, so if you are close to capping you can use your 2nd charge as a rule of thumbs

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flagallation is your major cooldown

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you play around it

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and, this is the ONLY exception, you can delay symbols for up to 10 secs to line it up

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:23 PM

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ok

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:23 PM

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the normal sequence should be flag-finish-cooldowns

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the opener is in #subtlety-faq , it is marginal diffrent

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for single target and any target count thats not super high, you always keep slice and dice up

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only once you get into mass aoe you can not care about it

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rupture is used on single target and up to 3 target situation

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:24 PM

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can i ask a question?

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:25 PM

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yes

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:25 PM

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Slice and dice needs combo points do just start qith a backstab then use it and do the reset of the opener?

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:26 PM

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you open with strike

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strike-snd

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then go into cooldowns

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:26 PM

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willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:26 PM

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rupture, you can refresh in advanced for symbols of death

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so e.g. if symbols comes up in 3 sec and you only have 8 sec of rupture left, you can refresh it

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because you would need to refresh it in symbols else

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for combo point builder

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you want to use backstab only on single target
storm on 2+ targets outside of dance
during dance strike on 2 targets, 3 with set 2p
storm on 4+

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because you play mythic plus

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you will play shuriken tornado

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you always use tornado with your cooldowns

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and you align it with flag as following

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flag-finish-tornado-cooldowns

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:29 PM

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ok

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:29 PM

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but for your log

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you did not use shadow dance for a long time there

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that almost def. did cap you on charges

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what should never happen

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:30 PM

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i tend to use on cd but i also tend to be energy starved at times playing deeper inplance of vigot

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vigor*

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:31 PM

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its not a on cd

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use

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you plan around it

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in m+ with a lot of aoe you will spam it a lot

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but for lower target counts it is as stated above startegic use

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alignment for symbols is important

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and if you use flag

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you want to build stacks

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:32 PM

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ok i get it now

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:32 PM

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and you do that efficiently by aligning dance

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because dance allows you to use shadow strike

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and thats a strong combo builder, it is also the reason you always start dance with low combo points

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if you plan decently well,y ou can dance 2 times in a row every flag

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and playing flag correctly is very important for venthyr

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:34 PM

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so i delay dance when flag is nearly up ?

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:34 PM

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huh

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okay

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you play flag-finish-cooldowns

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your cooldowns are symbols to witch you align dance/etc

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so you wouldn't use dance on cooldown

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but align it

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:35 PM

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ohhkkk

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now i get it

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thanks for the explanation now i get it what i was doing wrong will work on it just 1 jas t question

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for m+ u use shuriken tornedo and dont mainly use black powder to finish

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do i need to add anything into that ?

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:38 PM

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you use black powder with 3 or more targets

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and you will use storm as stated above

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:38 PM

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ok

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:38 PM

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on 4 targets you will finish on 4+ cp

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the rest is similar to single target

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:38 PM

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ok

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:39 PM

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during tornado you will use bp a lot given the ticks of it

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so possible that you bp-bp-bp-..

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also tornado can be use don single target

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and should be if there is no need to delay it

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:39 PM

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yeah thats what i do and when it ends i use dance with storm and bp

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ok

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thanks sooo much for taking the time to expling this to me

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:41 PM

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have fun, also just fyi you can get a lot of gear upgrades from doing m+ or even the zm zone

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a lot of 252 loot can drop in the zone, and if you are 242 you likely have some things to upgrade

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:42 PM

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yeah

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ill work on what u have said

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would it be ok to come speak to u if i have any more questions?

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:43 PM

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sure

oblique trellis Apr 3, 2022, 4:43 PM

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thanks a ton u ROCK!!!!

willow wagon Apr 3, 2022, 4:45 PM

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good luck, the spec is a bit punishing

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so it takes a bit to get used to it, just take one step after the other and it will end up stronger

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