sapphire log analysis

[digital oracle]

8.7k sim

[cosmic sedge]

straight up, snd should be 100% uptime

for the opener, you want to strike-snd-.... not snd later

hence you are running pv, you want to use bs between dance

you want to line up dance to symbols, not the other way around

[digital oracle]

@cosmic sedge can we have a quick voice chat

if you have a sec

[cosmic sedge]

i can't because i am in a room with multiple ppl atm ^^

but letme continue

flag was used incorrectly here

it should be flag-finish-cooldowns

[digital oracle]

i should be using flag ONLY when i have CDs?

[cosmic sedge]

you basically

use flag always with symbols

[digital oracle]

ok

[cosmic sedge]

so you flag-finish-symbols + dance

[digital oracle]

by finish you mean my finishing move?

[cosmic sedge]

you naturally due to basics of gameplay will align dance to symbols

yes

[digital oracle]

ok

[cosmic sedge]

snd/rupture/evi

or in aoe bp

[digital oracle]

so go into SD SoD with 0 points

[cosmic sedge]

yes

[digital oracle]

ok

not what i read. Thank you

[cosmic sedge]

smybols can be used like you wish

there isn't rly that much wrong with using it diffrently

[digital oracle]

will kyrian legendary make it THAT different

[cosmic sedge]

like symbols-flag is fine
flag-symbols too
flag-finish-symbols is best practice

kyrian plays a lot diffrent

because venthyr basically plays around flag

while kyrian just sends er on cd

and cooldowns mostly

[digital oracle]

so its "easier"

[cosmic sedge]

not nessecery

you have the minigame of ER

[digital oracle]

im sorry i dont know a lot of the short forms

[cosmic sedge]

so you still need to focus on something else

[digital oracle]

i switched from ele

[cosmic sedge]

er = the covenant ability

[digital oracle]

kk

[cosmic sedge]

basically empowers certain combo points

and you need to finish on that value to "consume" them

and they act as if they got used on higher value

you basically have 45 seconds to consume all 4 you get

so there is no stress

[digital oracle]

ok

[cosmic sedge]

but you still should do it during that timeframe

venthyr basically plays all around flag

you need to get high satcks on flag to perform well

and this is why you start with a finisher

after flag

[digital oracle]

right to trigger more stacks

[cosmic sedge]

to get higher stacks straight up

[digital oracle]

right

[cosmic sedge]

and then you follow up with dance

because during dance you use strike, that also gives more combo points

compared to backstab

its all very logical on the spec, what is kind of the nice thing about it

[digital oracle]

venthyr you mea

mean

[cosmic sedge]

na, in general

everything makes sense once you understood it

[digital oracle]

yeah

[cosmic sedge]

if something does not make sense, it can be that there is room for optimizations

[digital oracle]

if you were to pick the best all around covenant right now

would it still be kyrian?

[cosmic sedge]

venthyr is best all around

because it is quite a bit stronger in m+

and the covenant ability works better for multiple targets

while kyrian one... doesen't

[digital oracle]

as a %

how far back would i be on st

vs a kyrian

[cosmic sedge]

rly depends on your gear

!fuu does this work here?

[radiant yarrow]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[cosmic sedge]

it does

[digital oracle]

5%

[cosmic sedge]

5-6% behind with possibly bis gear

(cant send image for some reason, likely my internet)

[digital oracle]

i got the pic

am i really losing out a ton because of lack of WF

[cosmic sedge]

oh, was just my internet then^^

[digital oracle]

hold the phone

so as of next week even if im venthyr

i want finality ?

sorry akaari

[cosmic sedge]

in 2 weeks

next week flying unlocks

the week after you get double lego

[digital oracle]

thought it was the other way around

[cosmic sedge]

but yes, you want akaaris for your 2nd raid legendary
and finality as your 2nd for m+

and unity or the covenant specific as 1st

[digital oracle]

now do all covenant legendaries get called unity

or is the the kyrian one

[cosmic sedge]

unity is basically a joker legendary

it changes depending on your covenant to the covenant specific one

[digital oracle]

right ok

[cosmic sedge]

so it is obedience on venthyr, or rc on kyrian

back to gameplay

so basically

you always use symbols on cd, align dance to it (use dance when on low cp after it, so in this case symbols-finish-dance)

only time you delay symbols would be if flag comes up very soon

(within next 10 secs)

[digital oracle]

do i dance twice? because dance doesnt run the full duration of symbols

[cosmic sedge]

you basically use 1 dance charge always with symbols

the rest is dynamic

[digital oracle]

what do you mean dynamic

[cosmic sedge]

you def. want to use it when close to capping

[digital oracle]

ok

[cosmic sedge]

but outside of that the timing is not super impactful

this is why people tent to use 2x dance with flag

[digital oracle]

ok

[cosmic sedge]

and usually not on the symbols window before that

[digital oracle]

do i want to align symbols with flag

or it doesnt matter

it isnt worth waiting

[cosmic sedge]

but its important to use dance, capping on charges is rly bad

[digital oracle]

so always have 1 dance available

basically

[cosmic sedge]

yes, so you basically always want 1 charge for symbols

[digital oracle]

ok

[cosmic sedge]

kyirian with 2p is a bit easier

because it would mean you can just fire it on cd kind of

[digital oracle]

i tied my quantum trinket to backstab and shadow strike

should i unbint it

unbind

[cosmic sedge]

esp. iqd

i would use on a seperate bind

[digital oracle]

ok

[cosmic sedge]

and use the weakaura for it i linked in #subtlety-faq

[digital oracle]

i have the wa for it

[cosmic sedge]

to not use it when getting bad effects

ah nice

well prepeared

[digital oracle]

i am learning, its just a big change for me

going from an 85+ shaman

to a fucking sub 30 rogue

lol

[cosmic sedge]

i mean

you won't be high fast

just because of your gear deficit

[digital oracle]

i want to start to parse well for my ilvl

[cosmic sedge]

not having sylvanas mythic daggers compared to what you have

[digital oracle]

#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadowstrike

is this the correct opener

[cosmic sedge]

is basically a 30%tile drop in logs

[digital oracle]

oh syl daggers are still that good?

[cosmic sedge]

worth around 1k dps

[digital oracle]

wow

[cosmic sedge]

compared to 252 daggers

ofc you can easy get higher ones

so its a bit of a unfair comparison

(also thats mythic one, heroic one wouldn't be this good)

[digital oracle]

right

as far as my opener

#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadowstrike

is what method has up

[cosmic sedge]

seems fine

you usually want to use blades with symbols

so maybe bind it to symbols if you don't want a seperate bind

[digital oracle]

so add symbols to the opener?

[cosmic sedge]

i don't know how a macro is a opener

XD

[digital oracle]

just combines everything

[cosmic sedge]

dance + strike macro is good to use, so yes use it

to go back to gameplay

you miss backstab casts between dances

you use a conduit (perforated veins)

that generates stacks if you use shadowstrike

so you need to consume them with using backstab

before going into dance again

[digital oracle]

yes

thats a new one for me

im working that out

[cosmic sedge]

it becomes a bit more complex with double legendary

but thats more min/max, and shouldn't be a main concern

[digital oracle]

going back a step

i use my opener

and during SB / SD

in the opener

i cast SnD

and rup?

[digital oracle]

got it

Thank you for spending the time

i owe you pizza for sure

[cosmic sedge]

haha, if you have more questions feel free to ask

[digital oracle]

Oh i will, thank you.

ill work on what you have shown me

and ill come back after my next raid

[cosmic sedge]

alright, good luck