#rangor, log analysis

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boreal cradle
mortal summit
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Thank you @boreal cradle for looking at this, you're the best! ๐Ÿ™‚

boreal cradle
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no problem, but giveme some minutes

mortal summit
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Yep, no worries ๐Ÿ™‚

boreal cradle
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thats a big ouch

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you need to start using a macro to not use backstab in dance

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easiest way is to just
/cast dance
/cast strike

mortal summit
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I have a macro that does backstab if not stealth and shadowstrike if stealth, I press dance and then immediately that macro. Am i accidentally doing backstab instead of shadowstrike even though the macro is showing shadowstrike?

boreal cradle
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the problem is bar swapping

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*stance swapping

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it is slow so it assumes you are still otuside of dance

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and sends backstab, even if not using a macro but bs/strike on the same key bind

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the only solution is to use a macro, its a old issue that hasn't been fixed

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you probably should have used dance later with symbols here, both after refreshing snd

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the mentioned thing above is rly dominant

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you basically have bs always as first gcd in dance, so rly recommend doing a macro

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you did play flag incorrectly

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you want to play it like:
flag-finish-cooldowns

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using flag during dance is inefficient as you lose out on strike casts

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what means you generate less combo points too

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don't refresh rupture in dance, just let it drop off and apply it again after dance

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as mentioned in the above, you did use dance to agressively

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ideally you rotate it to have 2 charges around flag

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you in this case only had one and even burned it before using flag

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what makes is a lot harder for you to generate stacks

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if you stard tance you will want to use strike, so rupture there is rly bad

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also the same habbit of not lining up dance to symbols

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in addition, you basically lost a lot of casts after the 4th one from probably the tank moving the boss

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use step to prevent that

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don't hessitate to use dance after symbols, you did wait here for no reason

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and if your last flag was not good, this one was terrible

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no cooldowns, no finisher around it

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flag is your main cooldown, and you rly need to play around it to get vlaue from the covenant

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same again

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so basically lets talk about some basics, to round this up

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you can basically see dance as a option that allows you to cast strike, so you want to always use it on low cp

mortal summit
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Sorry, I was away from the computer

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I just read them

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Would I ever want to use anything other than shadowstrike after dance?

boreal cradle
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yes

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with multiple targets

mortal summit
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So I need one macro for dance + shadowstrike and another dance on my bar

boreal cradle
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yes

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or

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you can do
/cast [stance:0]shadow dance; shadow strike

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and then press the key 2 times

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first one would send dance

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2nd press strike

mortal summit
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This one doesnt get affected by the stance changing bug?

boreal cradle
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no

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as you don't use backstab in the macro

mortal summit
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Okay, thanks. Is there a way for me to prevent this chat thread of expiring or some how exporting this so that i can read this few more times?

boreal cradle
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you can always read it, it just gets archived if it becomes inactive

mortal summit
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I see. Thanks. You mentioned lets go over the basics?

boreal cradle
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oh, sry to many chats open^^

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you basically always want to dance with low combo points.
So that you can optimize the amount of strike casts in it.

So basically symbols on cd, align dance to it. Dance charges outside of that you can decide when to use.
easy rule of thumbs is to use dance when you are close to capping on charges.

Only time you delay symbols is basically for flag, when it comes up soon (within next 10 secs).

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for flag, it is always flag-finish-cooldowns. So it is quite easy to play once you got that

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rupture, you basically only refresh outside of dance and in preparation, if symbols of death comes up soon

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most of the mistakes above should be fixed if you play that correctly

mortal summit
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Thanks a lot. I will try these on a dummy to improve

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I really appreciate you going through this and explaining me โค๏ธ