lorpax log analysis | Ravenholdt | Page 1

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:18 AM

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gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:18 AM

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Ow hey Fuu, good morning!

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:19 AM

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good morning, will take a look in a moment ^^

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:20 AM

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Thank you very much 🙏

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:29 AM

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you did let snd fall off shortly closer to the end of the fight, probably should have maintained it there

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:31 AM

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I’ll make sure to keep it around 100% next time

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I thought we’d kill it faster but I mistimed it by a whole bunch :/

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:32 AM

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i am sure you finished on 4+ there and not on 5+

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also 2 mistakes else

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#1 you play with PV, so you need to use backstab between dances

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#2 you did start your 2nd dance with high combo points

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you always want to start dancing with low combo points to get the highest benefit out of it

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:34 AM

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So I don’t use it for a finisher with damage buff ever?

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:34 AM

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ou did then use bs during dance i assume to consume pv stacks

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you can in m+

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but for single target no, you will always start with low combo points

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:34 AM

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I seee, I didn’t know that

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I’ll remember that

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:35 AM

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what you did was basically chain 3 dances

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what would have been optimal would be to use backstab between them to get rid of stacks

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and then finish potentially too to start your next dance on 0-3 cp

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also the same mistake as with dance before, you want to start with low combo points

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in addition to that, rupture should not be used in dance

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the ideal sequence here would be rupture-dance-strike-strike-evi instead

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:37 AM

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I see.. I’ve been making that mistake quite a few times

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:37 AM

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you don't want to use ER during dance too ^^

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:38 AM

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I’ll have to really try to pay attention to Rupture

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Yeah ER still confused me, I used that tool in sub-faq that shows the top 50 logs and everyone uses a different order it seems.. I should just stick to the one you wrote

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:39 AM

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it does not matter as much

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as long as you use it on cooldown if possible

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and don't use it during dance

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:39 AM

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I assume the ideal would be to ER, Evicerate and then Shadow Dance

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:39 AM

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you rarely want to use dance for anything else than shadow strike

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:40 AM

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That’s gonna make things so much easier

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:40 AM

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(ofc with finisher casts between that)

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:40 AM

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And backstab inbetween right?

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:40 AM

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backstab between dances to get rid of pv stacks

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with double legendary, you will potentially use it during dance some times too, but you can use a weakaura to show you when to do that

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:41 AM

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Ah yeah, then ShB is active and I have 3+ seconds of dance left right?

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:42 AM

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ye basically 5+ stacks, dance 3+ secs and shb up

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:43 AM

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So no rupture during Shadow dance, no Shadow Dance for finishers, only shadowstrike, Dance only on low convo points, ER on cooldown and inbetween dances, spend PV..

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I don’t line up Dance and Symbols anymore as Kyrian right?

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:44 AM

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yes, just to make that clear, you absolutely want to finsih for er cp or on 5+ cp during dance if possible

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just don't start dance with a finisher

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i did not look at your Er stacks, do you struggle to consume all of them?

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:46 AM

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I usually got all of them. Sometimes I struggled when the second combo point was Animacharged

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I try to get them during Shadow Dance, but those tend to be hard and sometimes I hit the combo point right inbetween

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Is it worth the risk of aiming to get them during dance?

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:47 AM

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the 2 is a bit tricky, but you can wait shortly for a sht proc outside of dance for it

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no, you only finish for them during dance if you are sure to get them

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for 2 you never do that during dance

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:48 AM

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I see, that’ll make the whole thing a lot less stressful haha

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I feel that ate away a lot of my potential dps

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:48 AM

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best is to not stress out tbh

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:48 AM

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Very true

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:49 AM

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you have 45 seconds, so plenty of time

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:49 AM

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I feel like Venthyr was more scripted than Kyrian, I’m just not sure where the priorities lie. But I got a much better idea now ^-^

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So we use Symbols on cd now pretty much?

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Seeing as I might not always have a dance up

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Or do I line it with something else

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:51 AM

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venthyr is more planed for sure but also more punishing

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you fuck up flag and your dps will suffer quite a lot

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:51 AM

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Big true, and sometimes my flag bugs

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 7:52 AM

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for kyrian you have the luxery of sending things more on a "on cooldown" base

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 7:53 AM

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Yeah it does feel like more of a whack daggers into boss kinda playstyle

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As soon as I get my tier sets Shadowblades fall into place too

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Right now I’m not sure what to save them for tbh so I roughly use them on cd

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Do I want to save Symbols for ER?

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Or do I use it somewhere else

shell bramble Mar 11, 2022, 8:00 AM

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Hello guys, and sorry that I get into this, but I'm just like Lorpax, learning this, do u have by any chance a video or something like that?

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just wondering the same, if I don't have SB, what do I do? do I still line SD with Symbols or?

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 8:02 AM

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you line er up with symbols if it does

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and it does naturally every 2nd er use

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kind of

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but you else just send it without symbols

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 8:03 AM

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Okiii

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This has all been super helpful, thank you very much Fuu ^-^

shell bramble Mar 11, 2022, 8:03 AM

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wow...

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 8:04 AM

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I think I got it all

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It’s a lot more clear than it was before

shell bramble Mar 11, 2022, 8:04 AM

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resume?

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so do we use SD on cd as well? I assume?

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since no more line with symbols

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 8:06 AM

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symbols on cd

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dance with symbols

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or outside of symbols if on high stacks

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with 2p more "on cd"

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(ofc combo points and pv stacks matter!!!)

shell bramble Mar 11, 2022, 8:08 AM

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is there a wa for the pv stacks by any chance >.<?

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 8:08 AM

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i think somone made a weakaura, personally don't have one yet. might create one once we unlock double legendary

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it isn't rly that relevant before that

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 8:08 AM

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A guildie of mine put it on an Aura bar for me

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 8:08 AM

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unless you upgrade akaaris and run akaaris instead of rc

shell bramble Mar 11, 2022, 8:09 AM

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makes sense cuz, rn u just use backstab in between dance, as usual, as venthyr...

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ye

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 8:09 AM

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4p can lead to more pv stacks too

gloomy egret Mar 11, 2022, 8:09 AM

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Anyway, thank you very much for your help and guidance Fuu, you’re the besttt

zinc idol Mar 11, 2022, 8:09 AM

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but only with more targets

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no problem, and if you have questions feel free to ask

shell bramble Mar 11, 2022, 8:10 AM

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oh and in AoE situations, 5+ mobs u don't use ER ye?

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