luckLSs log analysis | Ravenholdt | Page 1

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:41 PM

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hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:42 PM

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It is halondurs so there's a bit of movement sometimes, and I fucked up the first dance a bit in that log, that's what i know so far

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:42 PM

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stiletto is probably better on holandrus, would sim it on other fights tho

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RHmm

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:43 PM

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I do have stiletto

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:43 PM

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ah ye, nvm its kyrian

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so you always run it ^^

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for the picture, there is no "movement" at the start of the fight but you lost quite some gcds

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:44 PM

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yes that is the mistakes that I picked up, not sure at all for the rest of the fight

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:44 PM

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you run PV, there is no backstab between dances

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you need to consume your stacks before using dance again

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:45 PM

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so always a stab between dances ?

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:45 PM

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rupture in dance isn't good

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yes

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:45 PM

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ah I did a lot of those ..

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:45 PM

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you want to use backstab to consume your pv stacks between dances, if you don't you lose a lot of value of the conduit

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i see that angery

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btw. you usually line up shadow dance with symbols

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not the other way around

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:46 PM

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could you explain to me how it is bad compared to an evisc ? I get it if its inside SoD but outside of it ?

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:47 PM

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okay

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image it like this

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you do a lot of damage

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but you refuse to press the key that does it

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thats what you do

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you basically waste the entire value of at least 1 full stacked pv backstab every time you dance 2 times in a row

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and you do that a lot

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:48 PM

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so it would be fine to let rupture drop for some second and evisc instead and refresh rupture later?

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:49 PM

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i also don't understand the rupture in dance when you had a finisher you could refresh it just 2 globals before

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:49 PM

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in my head since dance is not a damage buff I didnt think it was a bad thing to swap evisc/ruptures outside of SoD

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:50 PM

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huh?

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:50 PM

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to refresh it pandemic I mean

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:50 PM

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alright

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so #1 shadow dance is a damage amp, but you can see it as a way to cast shadow strike

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and you did that well

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you never started dance with high cp

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but subtlety is about stacking cooldowns

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and preparing for that

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that are the basics of the spac

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the core

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so what you want to do is to line up stuff to symbols

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in your case shadow dance

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you ofc will have more charges than that and will use dance a lot between symbols

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(also with 2p you will just use it on cd more or less)

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so basics is symbols on cd, align cooldowns to symbols

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:53 PM

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but ruptures and SnD should always be refresh outside of dance ?

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:53 PM

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so, because everything plays around symbols, you want to play it startegically

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and you can refresh rupture in advance to not use it during symbols (refresh it outside of pandemic if you are close to getting symbols back up and if it won't last long enough)

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for rupture during dance, it isn't as tragic of a issue, but still shouldn't happen

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if rupture runs our, refresh it after dance

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:54 PM

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would refreshing snd during dance terrible ?

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outside of SoD

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:55 PM

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its fine to refresh snd in dance

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snd is rly strong so you want to keep it up

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it is prefered to refresh it outside, but not a issue if you can't

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also make sure to use symbols on cd

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you lost one cast of symbols during the fight if my math isn't wrong

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:56 PM

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ah I thought I did

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alright

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:56 PM

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you had 14 casts in a 7 minute 14 fight

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you get 1 cast initially

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:56 PM

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is there any way to play different with ER legendary ?

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:57 PM

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7 minutes means 14 casts?

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so should mean 14 + initial cast

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:57 PM

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I guess I slept at some point

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or delayed during some badly positionning on my part during transition, i'll check it

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 4:58 PM

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ye you did delay it multiple times by up to 10 secs

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but the fight is mostly pure patchwerk

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you can exploit step, sprint and vanish to get uptime

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 4:59 PM

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during transition I prolly stood back some times to give ppl space and some random stuff, I should just play more with mobility

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other than that is there any way to maximise the use of ER legendary ?

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like is it fine to use charged CP outside of dance, SoD etc ..

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 5:01 PM

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i haven't checked how well you hit the anima charged combo points

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but if you hit all of them during the 45 sec buff its perfectly fine

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it shouldn't be usual that you don't manage to do so

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 5:01 PM

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prolly not so well, I have a lot of trouble hitting the right number cause i'm getting cp from shadow techniques and even with a tracker I have a hard time predicting when i'm getting them

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 5:02 PM

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it probably just takes a bit of practice

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you can outside of dance also easier hit the lower values

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 5:03 PM

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I felt like that was a huge problem, constantly missing the 2CP charged inside of SoD and doing severals 3 CP evisc in the process

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 5:04 PM

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you can wait for a cp proc if you are on 1 cp

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just look at your sht counter and energy bar to not stand there forever

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also the fight you played should make it perfectly predictable

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as you have no auto attack misses

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 5:04 PM

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waiting as long as I dont miss a cast during SoD I guess ?

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 5:05 PM

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waiting outside of symbols probably

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because you will dance during symbols

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 5:06 PM

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yes my problem is really hitting the 2cp in dance + SoD, I get 2 and evisc and get a 3rd exactly as that time

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but as you said its just practice on my end

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alright that give load of stuff to work with

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thanks a ton !

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 5:06 PM

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haha

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just wait till you get the 2p

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to then spam dance more

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so you have less "out of dance"

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and also more times shadowblades up

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 5:07 PM

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I guess it makes the ER leggo minigame hell

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 5:08 PM

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its fun 🙂

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i did play a bit on ptr with tier set on the dummy

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you get used to it

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 5:09 PM

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how would you even hit 2cp if you're in dance + sb a lot

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would you work around by stabbing between the dance and using the PV at the same time ?

misty cipher Mar 7, 2022, 5:11 PM

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you are not 24/7 in dance

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you would hit it ouside of dance

hot carbon Mar 7, 2022, 5:12 PM

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well lets hope I get better at that by the time I get set then

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