Nyx M+ log

[torpid gale]

I’m gonna open a thread for it but it’s 1am here

[pallid marlin]

oki

[torpid gale]

But when I wake up tomorrow I’ll see it and remember

[pallid marlin]

thanks!
It's just the only log I have to really look at. I have barely touched raid because of the socket issue, and this is the only logged key I have lol

[torpid gale]

@pallid marlin sorry this took so long, I think the main issue is flag and tornado usages from what I see

like here

this also confuses me

not sure why you decided to symbols that

[pallid marlin]

Ah
Yea I'm sloppy with aligning my CDs still

[torpid gale]

another scuffed flag

[pallid marlin]

That makes sense

[torpid gale]

and like this tornado usage

yeah okay

a pattern is emerging

I'll go over some rules and concepts

so the first idea, sort of the corner stone, is that everything fits into symbols, and symbols is mostly on cooldown

you can obviously hold it at the end of a pack if it's gonna die in 3 seconds anyway, cause who cares, no need to cooldown that

generally speaking then, lets ignore that and say that you're just in aoe for a good while

symbols should be every 30 seconds then

and we build on that

flag with obedience, easily below a minute in aoe, however we hold it for the next symbols, which would be every minute (also true in single target)

so you get symbols + flag, then symbols, symbols + flag, then symbols

over and over

you'll notice, flag there is with symbols, every minute

tornado, also a minute long cd

gives CP, matches great

so in m+, you're gonna slap that on with flag

the combo then every minute is going to be flag->finish->tornado->symbols between the gcd->finish 4x

dance is a lot more liberal, especially in aoe

you just have a ton of charges

you should kind of always hold 1 charge minimum to make sure you have it for flag/symbols

[pallid marlin]

Symbols is the one that buffs my builder right?

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but if you're at around halfway on that second charge, just send it

[pallid marlin]

I get dance and symbols mixed up by name

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correct, symbols is the 9 second damage buff, auto-crit next generator, purple symbol

[pallid marlin]

I thought I was supposed to use it before flag to buff it's crit, or is it retroactive

Or is that just ST

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that was a bug that used to happen

because flag auto-crit the first part

was a bit of a min-max thing

and only relevant in single target

[pallid marlin]

So it's no longer a thing?

[torpid gale]

correct

that got fixed

[pallid marlin]

Icey veins out of date then

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should always be flag->finish->symbols

[pallid marlin]

Gotcha

[torpid gale]

symbols->flag->finish is fine

just like

5 dps worse or some shit

nothing relevant

get more important with tornado though since it's basically a dead gcd

[pallid marlin]

I'll work on the better habit , so flag finish symbols

[torpid gale]

yap

I think the main thing here is to get in the rhythm of flag and symbols every minute with every other symbols

and avoiding this kind of thing

where you're just wasting the symbols cast on backstabs and stuff

[pallid marlin]

To clarify, this is the entire dungeon or just the first boss?

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the entire dungeon

[pallid marlin]

Ah ok

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I'm at the boss right now but the wheels came off basically instantly

and now it's just floundering in a panic

like this

[pallid marlin]

Yeah, mega scuffed fight

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no symbols in sight

also you never want to flag on low cp

always flag->finish

[pallid marlin]

Kk

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cp used during flag good

so you gotta pool the cp a little before hand

[pallid marlin]

I am spoiled by outlaw rogue background

And used to never having to pool anything

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skipping ahead about 10 minutes, this looks good, except for that dance coming in way way late

this is ideally what we want to see

but with a tornado after the flag

[pallid marlin]

In ST?

Or aoe

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in aoe

but the cooldown usage is the same

just different finishers/generators

[pallid marlin]

Got it

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this just really hurts

especially for syncing

cause you're just going into the next pack with half your cds

and you feel the need to use it

and it just spirals even more

[pallid marlin]

No CDs feels awful

[torpid gale]

another decent flag, but still naked, no symbols, no tornado

like it's clear you got the basic logic down, you're casting symbols on cooldown and all that

just need to fit the rest of it into that

[pallid marlin]

How long should I hold CDs to realign them?

Or is it just scuffed once they are misaligned

[torpid gale]

flag you hold forever, should never cast without symbols, same with tornado

there's not really any numbers on how bad it is to play bad

cause that's kind of a weird thing to try and math out

[pallid marlin]

Fair

[torpid gale]

but if it scuffs, you gotta bring it back in

at worst, you're holding flag/nado for 30 seconds

which in a 25 minute dungeon, not killer

[pallid marlin]

So holding for the entire 30 seconds is fine
If it means realigning them

[torpid gale]

yeah

[pallid marlin]

I have the habit of just continuing if it's more than like 5-7 seconds

[torpid gale]

oh yeah definitely not

flag and nado always with symbols

symbols you can hold for about 10 second to line up with a flag

which only really happens in single target when you don't get 30 stacks

in aoe flag can get down to a minimum of 46 seconds

you just ignore that

and hold for the symbols every minute

[pallid marlin]

Got it

So to summarize: always use flag>finisher>symbols
Hold a charge of Dance for that window, unless I am halfway through the second charge.
Pool CP before flag to get maximum out of finisher.
Only use tornado with that combo(flag> symbols>tornado>finisher)

And also in keys don't use my CDs when a pack is about to die, as well as hold CDs as long as needed to realign them

Did I miss anything?

[torpid gale]

nope looks good