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wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:44 AM

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this is the first really really big problem

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casting symbols on cooldown, or close to it (stalling for flag a little), is a cornerstone of the spec

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those big chunks you got between 0:30 and 1:30, 2 and 2:45, 3:15 and 4:15

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das a no no

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:45 AM

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Is there a way to highlight 2 different abilities casts at once? I wonder if I was stalling way too long for flag

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:46 AM

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there is

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we can keep adding layers

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like so

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and that's really the issue here

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you're playing obedience, but still casting flag basically every 1:30

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rather than every 1 min

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also that set of 4 dances from 1:20 to 2 min

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that's pretty horrendous

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you should aim to never dance more than twice in a row

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the rule being dance when you're going to overcap charges, or cast during flag/symbols

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:48 AM

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Okay yeah the dance thing makes sense. I wonder wh I’m delaying flag so much

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:48 AM

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that, I'm not sure

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:49 AM

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It gets reduced based on the number of stacks you get right?

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:49 AM

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correct

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27-30 stacks should be pretty consistent

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Yeah I’ve noticed I normally get 28 and sometimes 30 if I nail it

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:49 AM

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the good news is

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this isn't really all that bad

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this looks good

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symbols into flag into finisher, dancing on low cp

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Yeah I spent a lot of time consciously forcing myself to do the opener right after reading through here lol

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:50 AM

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the rupture is a little late

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but otherwise that's pretty good

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Yeah I should have ruptured with the first finisher right?

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:50 AM

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correct

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the other thing to do

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is during flag/blades

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you can finish on 4

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Oh instead of overcapping to force 5/6

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:51 AM

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which, if you have a decent amount of haste, around like 8-10%

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you can basically just strike finish

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and your auto proc will just line up

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windfury totem would also do the trick

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Yeah I’m pretty sure I have plenty of haste for that. I just was thinking I should wait til 5/6

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:52 AM

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and usually, you should

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but in the specific case of say an opener where you have blades going

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and you hit the flag

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you can finish at 4, and that more consistent 30+ stacks

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:52 AM

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That makes sense. More global to use on finishers is better than finishers 1 point stronger

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:52 AM

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I would suggest maybe hitting a dummy

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and trying to really get that symbols/flag lineup

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you're playing stiletto

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so in general, you'll get
blades + symbol + flag = opener
symbols
symbols + flag
blades + symbols
symbols + flag
symbols
blades + symbols + flag

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and it should line up like that, every time

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Okay. Yeah that window sequence makes sense. And always dance 2 times with symbols and only use it to not over cap outside of it

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:55 AM

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I wouldn't always use dance twice in every symbols

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you'll starve yourself like that

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but you should have 2 dance for every flag for sure

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Got it. So on average i should be flagging every minute as long as I’m not heavy blowing it when i use it

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:57 AM

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yeah

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:57 AM

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And make sure to use symbols on cooldown only holding for a few seconds to line up with flag

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:57 AM

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flag every minute, and symbols on cooldown

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correct

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the rule for that is 10 seconds max

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although I kinda find that in say m+ if stuff desyncs, it's better to just sync them back up

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rather than continue to stumble through it

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:57 AM

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So if I have symbols up and flag in 15-20, would I symbols and then hold flag for the next symbols>

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:57 AM

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yeah

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you always hold flag for symbols

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but you only hold symbols for flag for up to 10 seconds

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 2:58 AM

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Okay cool. I’ve been really struggling with timings on sylvanas p1 with darkness coming up basically on every symbols but that’s a whole other story

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Got it

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 2:58 AM

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on sylvanas, you do your opener, and then symbols right as it comes up, with 1 dance

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that gets you to the first darkness

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then you flag for free

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and then you hold the symbols/dance for after the darkness usually

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that's just a fight specific thing you get used to with more pulls

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 3:00 AM

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So by flag for free you mean with no other cd’s present right>

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?

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 3:00 AM

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nah I mean you have nothing going on after that veil

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so you get flag and everything going

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 3:00 AM

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Oh got it.

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 3:01 AM

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last thing to note is that you are overcapping quite a bit on backstabs and shadow techs and stuff

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shadow tech/strike overcap is natural

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but you shouldn't ever really overcap with backstab

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Yeah I think I’ve felt myself doing that the past couple of raid nights as I’ve gotten more comfortable with it

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 3:02 AM

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but yeh

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for your gear you're doing fine

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oh you also should vanish more

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 3:03 AM

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I need to be more disciplined with committing to finish at 5 instead of force it to 6 and overcap

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That’s one thing IDK when to use. Like I have vanish and shadowmeld and I know they would be good to use but i don’t know when. Is it between symbols windows so I would get an extra strike instead of back stab?

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 3:03 AM

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yep

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that's exactly how that is

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anytime you can avoid backstabbing by using something else, you do it

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2 targets? you storm

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Right

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 3:04 AM

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vanish? that's a strike

slate mason Oct 5, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Okay cool. I’ll work on figuring out the timing on the dummy before raid tomorrow and then work on getting the timing better on those and weaving in some vanishes etc

wraith kernel Oct 5, 2021, 3:05 AM

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yep yep

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easy fix

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you got it

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let me know how it ends up

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