#salsalon - Log Review

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willow talonBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

celest timber
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Like this?

obtuse moon
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firstly you have several vanish casts while AR is not active

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we only use vanish during ar

celest timber
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Yeah sometimes when I hit dead space I use it to try to get AR off Cd because waiting feels like I’m losing out

obtuse moon
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not worth at all cause then you cant extend AR when it is actually ready

mint plank
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Jumping in here, and I'm in the same position, I would use it to try recover AR being ready again. So we should just endure the wait and store vanish

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Often I find this happens after some kind of insert mechanics etc

celest timber
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Yup 👆 so just wait?

obtuse moon
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i mean the charge system lets you hold vanish without losing anything

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so yeah

celest timber
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It’s just I hit a dead zone of low energy and when I’m so used to high APM I’m like OH NO

mint plank
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So here's a question, opener. Typically I do the pre-pull AR BF RtB and open with BtE, then keep BtE until I am out of stealth window. What next, get KS off? Then use vanish and enjoy the BtE window again? Then, last vanish and another? This is what I do and typically this means AR doesn't drop off and I can cast it again. It's this second AR I tend to lose often

celest timber
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Yes that’s what I do 👆 but I don’t open like that. I’m RTb then AR. Everything else is identical to mine

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I heard you hold vanish if Ks has 20 secs or less tho

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So I been trying to do that

obtuse moon
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if AR is active and KS cooldown is >20s then you just vanish

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but ye KS and Coup, if ready, have higher priority than a new vanish

mint plank
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When do you do trhe first KS then?

obtuse moon
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its the first finisher after the initial stealth window

mint plank
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It's tempting to ignore with stealth windows being up

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ok

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In theory I get it, but somehow even with some effort I was 60% AR uptime last night

obtuse moon
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KS proccing 2 unseen blades is on a 17s cooldown is ridiculously strong

mint plank
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Mind you was a workshop and lots of downtime

obtuse moon
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i cant see the cooldown but it does look like it is being witheld a lot

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If you dont have 4 buffs then you roll asap, even in stealth

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Supercharger and the 17% chance to just get 5 buffs is really strong

celest timber
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Ok cool. So simple rule: don’t have 4 buffs, RTB not on Cd, USE IT

obtuse moon
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yep that is the rule

celest timber
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Ya my WA probably isn’t set up right so I don’t use it right

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Ahhhh rookie moves

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If you have 4 buffs, hold until expire?

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Even if RTB not on cd

obtuse moon
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if you have 4 buffs then some of them are from Count the Odds and will expire sooner than the rest

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so it will become 3 buffs

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and then you roll

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but if you roll a natty 5 buff then you keep it until it expires yeah

celest timber
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Gotcha

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Thank you

obtuse moon
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or like 0.5 seconds before it expires

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you know

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btw your citrine ring

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Legendary skipper gem is probably not better than Windsinger

celest timber
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Ok I can look at that

obtuse moon
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And you didnt put a weightstone on your offhand

celest timber
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It won’t let me

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Gallywix weapon

obtuse moon
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you need a weightstone not whetstone

celest timber
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Oh

obtuse moon
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it is different for blunt weapons

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lol

celest timber
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lol

obtuse moon
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that word is filtered

celest timber
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I see that

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🤣

obtuse moon
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your ambush casts are kinda low

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compared to sinister strike

celest timber
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Yes I think I pistol shot too much?

obtuse moon
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it can be the culmination of these errors

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cause it ends up with less vanish casts

celest timber
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For the longest I didn’t realize ambush > pistol shot. So I’d use pistol shot for CP building

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But now I’m prioritizing ambush

obtuse moon
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think you have a little tendency to use pistol shots in stealth over ambush

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you can do that if you have 1 CP + Broadside + 6 stacks of opportunity

or you dont have energy to ambush

but should be rare

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you can prepull blade flurry btw

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like blade flurry on nothing > stealth

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for these fights with aoe

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and then if you maintain AR then you dont have to recast BF

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saves a global or three

celest timber
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Yeah if ambush is grayed out bc low energy I will use pistol shot or if boss/adds are moving and im moving sometimes I cast PS in transition

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I don’t track exact rolls so I don’t really notice if I have broadside tbh

obtuse moon
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you dont have to tbh cause the rule is pretty minimal

celest timber
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Is RTB -> AR still the proper pre pull?

obtuse moon
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well you prepull RTB like 50s before the pull to get supercharger

celest timber
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Really? Wow I haven’t been doing that at all

obtuse moon
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and then once combat starts it doesnt really matter if you RTB>AR or AR>RTB

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ye supercharger doesnt expire

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just 2 stacks though you cant prepull like 7 stacks or it will reset

celest timber
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Wow ok

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So if you RTB 50s before you have two superchargers. You pull the boss, pop AR then RTB

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Does that mean you have 4 super charges at pull?

obtuse moon
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Yes

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but the boss has to be pulled when you RTB again

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you also do this in M+

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use RTB some time before the key is inserted

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and then the next RTB must be after the bubble

celest timber
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Ok cool I can try that

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Do we pretty much use the same build for all raid encounters? Forgoing the increase cleave count and Bf dmg we use in m+

obtuse moon
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technically on single target KIR Fatebound can be a bit better if you have the gear for it