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keen oasis
hewwo
lean elm
great, will give some pointers in just a sec 🙂
lean elm
So just gonna go off the sprocket log
Do you see a potential issue here? (outside of the like 7 seconds of not attacking the boss after the encounter started)
I saw some other people do this in logs as well, as in shadowstepping to the boss before doing their opening ambush, sometimes it doesnt cause an issue but here it did
keen oasis
Do you see a potential issue here? (outside of the like 7 seconds of not attacki...
i was def afk
lean elm
you did not get your ambush off, instead, the shadowstep probably cause you to auto before an ability went off, and then it cause you to mutilate instead of ambush
keen oasis
oh wtf
lean elm
therefore you did not get your deathstalkers mark off
keen oasis
bruh
lean elm
i was def afk
alright now thats a bit hard to solve 
keen oasis
i do that alot...
lean elm
but yeah as u can see, playing without your hero talent is no bueno
lean elm
yeah I would advise to not do that
keen oasis
right...
lean elm
like you have stealth, you can literally be in autoattack range of every boss without pulling them
keen oasis
good to know
lean elm
so some rotational stuff, outside of mutilate that should be an ambush, you did the correct Ambush -> Garotte -> build to 5 -> rupture
before going into deathmark however, we want to get an envenom off
that shiv should also come inbetween deathmark and kingsbane
this tea here also tells me you are not using the tea macro! 😄
keen oasis
i am not
ive been wondering about that
is that absolutely a necessary thing to be using tea on shiv
lean elm
we wanna use tea for the mastery/energy during our cds cause we do most of our damage during cds and pretty little outside of them
keen oasis
the only times i use tea on my own is if im using my cds and i have 2+ charges with half energy-full energy
keen oasis
we wanna use tea for the mastery/energy during our cds cause we do most of our d...
mm mhm
lean elm
#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
the macro makes sure that you will always use teas during that
cause u cannot autoproc a charge if its not up (cause its on cd because we used it during cds)
also its just 1 less thing to think about, less stuff to think about = more dps
keen oasis
mmm
i never believed that with this damn spec it feels like alot of micromanaging
i thought macroing anything together would ruin my dps everywhere
but thats useful
lean elm
uh just all together
keen oasis
ok so usually what i do for opening in raid is
lean elm
lemme log in to see what my macro is, i dont think it matters which order
keen oasis
ambush ambush garrote rupture trinket dm kb ambush/shiv whichever i randomly feel like doing first but i always do both
oh wait
oh no yeah
hold on im braindead
i typed that all out and i see no envenom and clearly that feels wrong
lean elm
Yep
keen oasis
but idk if its hindsight or i actually do that
lean elm
also the 2nd ambush (which is a mutilate cause ur out of stealth) would you always do that and why?
keen oasis
to get 6/7 combo point so my garrote gives me my last for my rupture
lean elm
(im asking it in questions cause I think its better to learn by thinking than just being told)
keen oasis
i feel like
lean elm
to get 6/7 combo point so my garrote gives me my last for my rupture
alright so kind of on the right track, but our finisher rule is 5+, and only force 7 during darkest night
keen oasis
im thinking of this the wrong way in which build im using
keen oasis
alright so kind of on the right track, but our finisher rule is 5+, and only for...
darkest night is
what gives me my mark on my target back right
lean elm
yeah, so after consuming 3 marks u have the darkest night buff, which requires a 7 point envenom (big damage) which then afterwards reapplies the mark
keen oasis
i see
i understand
i never looked at what actually consumes the marks and lowkey ignored that mechanic
lean elm
But so just blanket opener:
Ambush (3 combo points, OR incase you crit it gives 4 due to seal fate) -> Garotte (gives 1 cp)
Now if we are on 5 we would rupture, but if we are on 4 we have to mutilate, and then rupture
Our bleeds are up -> mutilate until 5+ combo points
Envenom
Deathmark (with trinket and pot macrod)
Shiv
Kingsbane
Mutilate and envenom spam
Shiv once the first one runs out after 8 seconds
Refresh bleeds as needed, dont let them drop
Like as long as you keep your bleeds up, and play the Mark minigame with envenom, you are already playing 80% of the spec correctly
Back to a bit of the log, I respect the attempt to PvP the boss , I assume the kidney is a missclick, but just never use poisoned knife, its a waste of energy even if u are out of range of the boss
keen oasis
Back to a bit of the log, I respect the attempt to PvP the boss <:kekdog:9072070...
LOL
i was spec'd into internal bleeding but rereading the talent just now i realize its not like the internal bleeding of rupture is different from the kidney shot one
lean elm
keen oasis
i imagined they were 2 seperate ones and i was just getting a free extra dot from even a 1 cp kidney shot
the knife
the knife...
lean elm
also just letting you know, vanish does nothing
keen oasis
not being able to attack for a while
keen oasis
also just letting you know, vanish does nothing
yeah idk why i thought that ambush itself gave an extra combo point so that was the only reason iwas using it
lean elm
well okay in this instance it ACTUALLY did something
keen oasis
if blindside didnt proc right after using some cds or if i was low energy and wanted a free ambush
lean elm
cause u did not have ur mark before vanish ambushing
keen oasis
RIGHT BUT I SOHULD HAVe
lean elm
if blindside didnt proc right after using some cds or if i was low energy and wa...
well the ambush from stealth is not free..
keen oasis
THAT was definitely a misclick LMAO
how the hell did i hit that
its ctrl q and q by itself is my sap
i would not have tried to sap the boss
keen oasis
i dont even have sap in my raid build idk why its even on my bars
lean elm
but yeah, STOP SHADOWSTEPPING FOR OPENER
finetune the opener/cd sequence
probably gonna be pumping
okay final thing... what the fuck am I seeing in the gear section
what does this weapon enchant even do I have never seen this name
lean elm
???
keen oasis
thats what its always told me to put...
keen oasis
mm
lean elm
But yeah, gear is never as important as playing correctly, but might aswell just be correct on all fronts
keen oasis
yeah
still nah there was some rogue in my party the other day barely doing less then me but was a couple ilvls lower...
actually that could be alot of things
lean elm
proc hard and proc often
keen oasis
just get these ones
other than this and my gameplay itself
is there a blanket weakaura for my pandemic windows caustic, kb and dm countdown
all
in one
instead of me having to download 17
weakauras
!wa
open tokenBOT
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
lean elm
I just use Whispyrs platers + his weakaura package
keen oasis
i swear i just got his weakauras and nothing even happened
my game...
my game hates me
lean elm
sec I can send a screenshot of what it looks like from player pov
keen oasis
kk
also if im macroing my shiv with tea everytime, im still shiving with the macro outside of cd's when its up or should i have a seperate bind for just shiving during the downtime i dont have my cds
lean elm
so as u can see the plater has ruptre+garrote, yellow border when it is in pandemic, also the HP bar is green when caustic is on target (blueish when mark + caustic is on it) and then theres also the WA thing
lean elm
also if im macroing my shiv with tea everytime, im still shiving with the macro ...
Just the 1 bind, the only time you are ever shiving outside of CDs, is for the minmax Shiv -> Darkest night during the 30 second lingering darkness buff you get after deathmark expires
keen oasis
Just the 1 bind, the only time you are ever shiving outside of CDs, is for the m...
minmax shiv is just shiv into a max cp envenom for my mark back is wym right?
keen oasis
ohhh ohh ohh
lean elm
So during your deathmark kingsbane window you have used 2 shivs
Deathmark expires -> this buff procs
During these 30 seconds, one shiv charge will come back from cooldown
Usually you also have a darkest night allign with this
Shiv (procs supercharger talent) -> this nature damage buff -> darkest night which now is a 10 combo pointer guaranteed extra damage crit
-> leads to big damage
BUT this makes your solo kingsbane only get 1 shiv, so it should be used at the last 8 seconds of that
and all this is like a 0,5% damage gain or something, so
keen oasis
i see
lean elm
I would recommend learning and getting used to everything else first
lean elm
Because if you are just sending a shiv envenom without this, then you are just griefing your damage a bit
keen oasis
i just forget about teas and its used when its used?
keen oasis
thats crazy...
in mythic its the same?
macro part i mean
id never have to manual tea
actually wait nvm i dont even manual tea in mythics
lean elm
yeah just only use the macro
keen oasis
basically infinite energy there unless st
lean elm
the tea is good for mastery there in big aoe so its good to get some teas used
but yeah the spec has lost like 3 or 4 buttons since I started playing, and I started playing season 1 of war within 
lean elm
dont count poisoned knife into that cause it should never have been there
lean elm
But vanish is still useful for if you ever lose your mark of want to transfer it
like for example 2nd boss
when ur swapping between the gorilla/dino, instead of paying close attention to actually getting darkest night -> using it on the one ur going to next
u can just vanish ambush when u get to the new target
lean elm
But yeah, just focus on the few basic things and add the other stuff as you go
will make the spec seem simple in no time
can always come back after next raid and check again, hopefully no shadowstep opener and pvp abilities in that log!
lone coyote
@keen oasis
In response to this:
https://i.imgur.com/x7PqZdR.png
No. The idea is that when you get Darkest Night, your next 7 point envenom does 60% more damage and is guaranteed to crit so you want to consume that because it's good and because it then puts a new deathstalker's mark on your target.
So even if your bleeds happen to be falling off when you have darkest night, it will still take only a few globals to put them back up and then get the 7cp to envenom.
Once you get used to the spec, you can notice these things in advance and prep for them so that it almost never happens.
keen oasis
okay okay...
is there anything i need to worry about then in lingering darkness or am i just playing normally ignoring that basically, keeping my bleeds consuming my stacks and refreshing them using cds when they come back up
lone coyote
At this point ignore it and play normally.
There is a min-max thing you can do for like 0.5% dps increase but you need to get used to the basics first
that's not really important
keen oasis
There is a min-max thing you can do for like 0.5% dps increase but you need to g...
i see...
what about lingering darkness, shouldnt i be wanting that during my deathmark and kb
or do i ignore that too and just play consuming and refreshing
lone coyote
You can't. You get it after Deathmark expires
keen oasis
oh fuck ur right i forgot
i keep just adding stalker in between it when i read it and confusing them\
okay
lone coyote
Basically your burst after applying your bleeds is. Deathmark>Shiv>Kingsbane>normal generating and spending cp> Shiv again when the previous one expires(There should be about 8 sec of Kingsbane left.
After that you just do your normal generator finishers
until your KB is up again
then you shiv>Kingsbane>normal rotatoin>Shiv again when first one expires.
1 minute later you are back to bursting with deathmark again
rinse and repeat