#Stampapa Log
young monolith
Appreciate it big dog,
So for some context, this kill and probably our future kills will still have lust in p3
I’m kinda here for just boss dam, so I’m not taking CT or any of the other AoE talents, Besides Caustic. || I know this log will not reflect that||. However I think the main issues with my dmg is from the 2nd and 3rd uses of DM.
I have mechanics that I have to do when they show up. IE- 3rd pop on p1, and on the second platform the 2nd portal. Or 1st on third platform if we skip
Both of these mechanics are almost exactly where DM and KB comes off cd so I’ve just been popping it there and just cutting my losses. But I want to know generally if there is anything I can be doing better. Thanks ahead of time and I welcome any kind of criticism no matter how critical
distant salmon
Going to look at it in a bit btw (sorry in advance recovering from migraine) but I I’ll keep this in mind looking at it
young monolith
Of course take your time I’m at work anyway, I hope your migraine starts to feel better
idle trellis
Okay call me crazy, but did you lose your Deathstalkers Mark during intermission? (shield)
fringe hazel
Putting my 2 cents here just reading what you said and havent checked the log yet but, if as you say you are there for boss damage save cds for start on p3 instead of adds in p2 and you can prob use cds twice on p3, will update after eating lunch and looking at log if I find something where I can offer some input
idle trellis
^ I also did this on my rekill and it worked better for me. in p2 i only sent a kingsbane. Then you can rip a DM+KB at start of p3 and you should get 1 more use.
fringe hazel
Of course take your time I’m at work anyway, I hope your migraine starts to feel...
doing the 3rd pop and CDs is kinda cooked ngl but seeing the log your dmg on p1 is obv not the best but you did decent.
The big thing I'm seeing however is that you left your deathstalker mark fade after p1, try to be mindful that you need to have Darkest night up when the boss goes after breaking shield so you can keep the mark rolling for p2 and so on, worst case scenario burn a vanish when available to reapply it.
but try to have DN to avoid wasting vanish :p
I think its mostly cd timings and the big not having mark up for like 5 minutes that fucked you up on that kill but prob Quake will give you more detailed info
he's a log fan
distant salmon
looking in depth p1 is fine
also as a sidenote probably wouldn't windsingers
also ngl
you're just rawdog missing a ton of casts in p2
I know there's running around, and I'm not a mythic raider this tier so I haven't gone giga in depth with mythic ansurek
but like
I feel like there's a ton left on the table (even beyond the lack of dsm which is a big deal)
fringe hazel
I didn't get in depth into p2 because honestly that phase if you have cursed portal assignments you are cooked
fringe hazel
and honestly that's the let warrior and shitters have fun part of the fight
distant salmon
I started to look at p2 because he's below both tanks
and like bottom dps minus healers
fringe hazel
if as he says he's there for boss damage
distant salmon
but that makes more sense
having to send the dm a minute before p3 is giga cursed
you lose an absolute brick of damage on that alone
fringe hazel
and like bottom dps minus healers
seeing my logs that tracks (not that far down but barely holding on to tanks lmao)
distant salmon
like I said, famililarity with this fight on mythic is something I lack - so that makes more sense
fringe hazel
having to send the dm a minute before p3 is giga cursed
this is kinda big also
distant salmon
this also makes p3 kind of a crap shoot
because
you're missing your lust timings
and all your damage
fringe hazel
you can get 2 cds on p3 and one with pot + execute
distant salmon
so like yeah
you're going to be missing a ton of dam
is there anyway to do the portal without dm there?
fringe hazel
wdym?
fringe hazel
yea p2 is at best kb early so its up for start of p3 and move on
distant salmon
yeah so @young monolith on p2, you should probably hold your DM especially if you're lusting p3
because you're missing major CD on lust and only getting one into that phase
he hit chamber expeller 3 and it lasted for 10s total
but again
just the way the raid is composing that fight, it's an exponential damage loss.
So if it HAS to be used there, he's screwed
wait that's funky
they're casting tw at 6:44
idle trellis
the problem is that his DM is not going to be up for lust because of when its used in p3, i think its prob better to send right away and get 2 uses of DM in p3
distant salmon
which is like exactly when dm comes off
fringe hazel
I may be wrong but even then shouldn't 2 deathmarks be better than 1 with lust? since you are holding it since p1 you can send it as soon as you land on p3 platform which is around 5:20-30 and then you can go again at 7:30ish
idle trellis
^ agreed. this way you also get to send your DM's when no mechanics are going on and get good value out of them
fringe hazel
yep
young monolith
Hey just checking in haven’t been able to read anything. Yet but I am off, just got a hour drive home but I will reply back to all the info you guys have given me Appreciate it again
So to answer your question about popping my cds in P2 on an add is what my raid lead wanted, I’ve tried to express that it’s feels shitty. But just sending the kingsbane there seems like it could be a huge upgrade, again won’t get much value out of it cause it comes off cd ~5 seconds till I have to run out for portal
Also if anyone wants a funny laugh
Look at the replay
And look at the p2-p3 jump
I panicked cause the portals were v weird and it was a lil chaotic so I went into like the last one on platform 3, I don’t normally do that, and got knocked onto the ledge and had to shadow step to our monk to get back up
distant salmon
So to answer your question about popping my cds in P2 on an add is what my raid ...
I’d argue to fight against it here.
Granted it does help the list line; however, in execute especially the double dm is going to boost your damage a bit
You’re getting assigned some pretty shitty hits
young monolith
Yeah but in the end someone has to do it if thats me its fine. I've already sent my rl a dm ab it to discuss it further before I make any changes but I understand both sides tbh
fringe hazel
considering that your cds basically do nothing there I'd argue that it probably isn't needed there
distant salmon
young monolith
Yeah I mean thats fair.
fringe hazel
also
fringe hazel
when you said you were there for boss damage are those your words or rl? because if they are from the rl it doesnt make sense to use your big burst there on nothing
young monolith
I believe the reasoning for him wanting me to use it there is because of multiple things, 1 its off cd just fucking rip it, for some god awful reason we had some issues on prog with platforms more so than other guilds that were v similar to us so just sending cds there will do some damage and get us through. And sort of a personal reason aswell was some HoF rogues were also doing the same mechanics I was and popping there so it was sort of a copy paste kinda thing
Because if i use dm and kb in p2, Platform 2. its up for lust, But as you guys have explained and I agree with. Having 2 Deathmarks in P3 with less movement and mechanics to worry ab is more boss dam. But what was asked of me can be a bit contradictory. Just trying to optimize for our bench kills.
idle trellis
Were there really HoF rouges that were assigned to use DM AND platform 2 portals? My prep saw most of the rouges taking a portal in platform 1, or sending their KB only on platform 1 and then taking a portal platform 2.
I mean even in your kill that last thing that was left on the platform was a caster add, so taking an extra few globals of an add everyone can hit i doubt makes a difference
fringe hazel
Were there really HoF rouges that were assigned to use DM AND platform 2 portals...
I mean the thing is at that point damage was at least 20% less that what it is now due to gear/strand buffs so it could be possible
today its a diff story I think
fringe hazel
Because if i use dm and kb in p2, Platform 2. its up for lust, But as you guys h...
I'd just float the idea to your rl to not use cds there and see how it goes and try to explain what was discussed here
idle trellis
most rouges were sub anyways for this fight in higher end guilds because they know that assa sucks for p2 and thats the hard part 
fringe hazel
most rouges were sub anyways for this fight in higher end guilds because they kn...
yea if p2 damage was low you'd just play sub
idle trellis
but yeah i think in summary, your assigned basically the worst assignments possible for your class, and you dropped your mark in intermission.
dont drop your mark, and double DM in p3 and you will improve parse for sure
young monolith
Mannnn i dont even care about parsing. I just want better dammy because it feels like shit if im just being carried yk
But it will def improve from the shitty grey i had
for sure
idle trellis
oh and you already pointed it out, but play caustic 
young monolith
Yeah It was literally the 1 night i didnt
idle trellis
its okay i got a good parse on court last week, and apparently i was playing CT from broodtwister and never pressed that button
young monolith
JESUS
So the part that kinda gets me is when we go from p1 to p2 and you can get a little milk I always want to greed that damage and it ends up fucking me for the rest of p2 and p3 got it. Dont be greedy
idle trellis
yep i usually have to afk for 5-10 seconds during that part, but its better to keep your darkest night
fringe hazel
random ass tip
young monolith
I also wanted to ask if there was anything just core rotationally, if anything was noticeably wrong or could be optimized
fringe hazel
if by any chance your mark is on 1 stack and queen goes immune after p1 shield you can proc it still with rupture instead of envenom
idle trellis
if by any chance your mark is on 1 stack and queen goes immune after p1 shield y...
wait i didnt know this that sounds lit
fringe hazel
that has saved me from some bad planning on my part
idle trellis
i sent my fair few emtpy envenoms trying to get that last stack and it just wiffed 
fringe hazel
yea been there done that 
young monolith
I noticed that quite often when keeping track of my stacks is that just a random ass bug or intended?
fringe hazel
I think it's prob an interaction with immunity and envenom being frontloaded dmg?
young monolith
Its any finisher over 5 cp?
fringe hazel
couldn't tell you I don't run ct on ansurek
young monolith
I meant in M+
fringe hazel
the only bug I can recall where the mark does not consume a stack its when you have a mark up and also have Darkest night, it won't consume marks until you proc the DN