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haughty ginkgo Oct 24, 2024, 11:49 PM

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Hi

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Leaving work will be reviewing in a bit

rugged musk Oct 24, 2024, 11:50 PM

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sounds good! Thanks a ton

hollow pecan Oct 24, 2024, 11:50 PM

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I assume you're battle?

rugged musk Oct 24, 2024, 11:51 PM

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oh right forgot to say that, yeah I'm battleducky

hollow pecan Oct 24, 2024, 11:53 PM

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2 rogues in a dungeon you're battling who's sudden demise hits btw.

rugged musk Oct 24, 2024, 11:53 PM

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oh that's true, didn't even think of that. Let me see if I can find a better one

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I haven't had a ton of changes in the last few days so most things will be the same

hollow pecan Oct 24, 2024, 11:55 PM

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Also I know i saw stealth and starting ambush for pull is fine to get mark up. But make sure if you have darkest night up you use garrote/rupture instead of ambush to get bleeds rolling.

rugged musk Oct 24, 2024, 11:56 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fvt3G6TMh1bgBLWr#fight=2&type=damage-done https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RqpfP86J4dkY1X2y#fight=3&type=damage-done

Here's the two that seem the most recent and most consistent, either one would work I think but I don't want to give you guys too much to look through!

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I'll snag a tracker for DN, that makes sense

hollow pecan Oct 24, 2024, 11:58 PM

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Damage breakdown in a dungeon is generally caustic/crimson near top. So im leaning towards youre not reapplying caustic every 10 seconds.

arctic river Oct 24, 2024, 11:59 PM

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Sorry to butt in, but I'm learning aswell

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Is it normal that Rupture is above Garrote?

hollow pecan Oct 24, 2024, 11:59 PM

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You might be using rupture more often over using crimson

arctic river Oct 24, 2024, 11:59 PM

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Because it certainly isn't for me, am I doing something wrong?

hollow pecan Oct 24, 2024, 11:59 PM

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arctic river Is it normal that Rupture is above Garrote?

No

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 12:00 AM

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Oh interesting, I was thinking I was keeping uptime decent on spatter but that makes sense, I'll have to keep an eye on that better

hollow pecan Oct 25, 2024, 12:02 AM

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On a pull you really just do garrote(1) rupture times 2 and ic will spread bleeds enough to have enough energy.
Of course reapply ruptures to priority target so when you mutilate you trigger caustic.

arctic river Oct 25, 2024, 12:03 AM

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hollow pecan On a pull you really just do garrote(1) rupture times 2 and ic will spread bleed...

You don't do more than 1 Garrote?

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I was wondering that, I've been opening basically same way as him, garrote - rupture - garrote - rupture

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Sometimes 3 times if enough mobs

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 12:04 AM

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yeah I was thinking I wanted to use all my gcds coming out of stealth to spread rupture + garrote, so that's probably why my rupture is so high at the cost of other things

arctic river Oct 25, 2024, 12:04 AM

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Nah, I do the same thing

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I get this

hollow pecan Oct 25, 2024, 12:04 AM

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Depends on pull size. Dungeons always vary.
If a tank only pulls 4 mobs.
You don't need 2 garrotes

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Someone can correct me if that thought is wrong.

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 12:05 AM

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that makes sense, it would only spread 1 on the second garrote

arctic river Oct 25, 2024, 12:05 AM

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Say he pulls 20 mobs, do we spend the entire 6 seconds of IC spreading garrotes and ruptures?

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Or are we happy after 5 applications of Rupture?

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 12:05 AM

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I definitely do feel like I'm taking too long to get spatter going in aoe

cosmic cipher Oct 25, 2024, 12:07 AM

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on that necrotic wake it seems like youre mainly pressing mutilate, when in aoe you should be FoK'ing, you may also be wasting combo points on your aoe opener by gar>rupture>gar>rupture idk i dont have too much time to look super deep into it

hollow pecan Oct 25, 2024, 12:08 AM

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arctic river Or are we happy after 5 applications of Rupture?

After 5 bleeds you have enough energy to be able to do fok/envenom .. or fok /crimson. Then as bleeds run out refresh bleeds and rinse repeat.

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 12:09 AM

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cosmic cipher on that necrotic wake it seems like youre mainly pressing mutilate, when in aoe ...

Ooooh that makes sense, I definitely did have a feeling I was hitting mut too often in aoe

arctic river Oct 25, 2024, 12:09 AM

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hollow pecan After 5 bleeds you have enough energy to be able to do fok/envenom .. or fok /cr...

I'm too lazy to do this without Vanish, am I supposed to spend time spreading Rupture 1 by 1?

cosmic cipher Oct 25, 2024, 12:09 AM

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ye you only mutilate to maintain caustic spatter in aoe otherwise youre FoK

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 12:11 AM

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okay that'll probably be a nice jump on its own, honestly

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Does FoK give combo points per target hit, or per cast? This is my first expac playing rogue since legion, and I genuinely couldn't remember how it worked back then

cosmic cipher Oct 25, 2024, 12:11 AM

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i would definitely pay attention to youre opener in aoe bc most pulls you should be able to gar>rup>rup>gar and go into the rest faster

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it gives your points based off of crits bc of a passive

arctic river Oct 25, 2024, 12:13 AM

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cosmic cipher i would definitely pay attention to youre opener in aoe bc most pulls you should...

Is there a reason you go gar-rup-rup instead of gar-rup-gar-rup?

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Wouldn't the second rupture be applied with less than 5 cp?

cosmic cipher Oct 25, 2024, 12:13 AM

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arctic river Is there a reason you go gar-rup-rup instead of gar-rup-gar-rup?

i mean even in the 11's im doing i dont need max duration ruptures up for most of the trash just the main targets

arctic river Oct 25, 2024, 12:14 AM

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So lose out on a few seconds of rupture that doesn't matter, use those CP's for an earlier envenom/crimson?

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Makes sense

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Would you focus on applying crimson or caustic first?

cosmic cipher Oct 25, 2024, 12:15 AM

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most stuff will die before the rupture finishes except the big mobs which youre focusing anyway

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 12:15 AM

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That's true

cosmic cipher Oct 25, 2024, 12:16 AM

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i usually crimson first just because caustic mainly needs to be up for my cooldown window but that may be wrong

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someone beter can give you a better answer mine is feelcrafty

arctic river Oct 25, 2024, 12:16 AM

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I do the same tbh, it might not really matter in the end

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 12:22 AM

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lot to consider here so far, really thankful for the assistance!

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I might ask again in the future for raid logs because I feel like I'm struggling there too

hollow pecan Oct 25, 2024, 12:23 AM

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Yeah I'll try the double garrote as well but pug tanks don't pull big so kinda based it off pull size for myself.

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Thats really only difference in opener among us

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 2:09 AM

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@rugged musk everything is fine here

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one other thing I'll say is when looking at your pulls where you're not stealthed, you seem to be a bit lost

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you still want to spread for scent

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 2:23 AM

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ah okay, good to know

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do I want to just shoot out low combo point ruptures just to get going when I am unable to stealth? Or just try to build 5+ and do my best?

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 3:36 AM

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try to get as close to 5 as possible

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but it's contextual

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m+ is kinda goofy like that

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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@rugged musk can do here

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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Sick

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 9:08 PM

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WideGeorgeHappy

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 9:08 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XV2nbcgLa7jJDz4f Here's the log for the whole night, would a specific fight help more than having the whole set?

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 9:08 PM

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I’ll yoink specifics

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 9:08 PM

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there were definitely some fights I died on which is unfortunate

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but I am betting that there's a few like, basic things I'm fucking up like I was in m+

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 9:10 PM

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Ahh you’re misplaying

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I found Sikran pretty easy

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You’re not using your second ahiv correctly at all

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You’re supposed to use it after the first shiv before kb wears off

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You also vanish garroted before your second dm

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Rather than 6s left on kb which is ideal

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 9:13 PM

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Aaaah okay

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so I should be shivving once the first one wears off and before kb does, and vanish earlier into the kb window?

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 9:13 PM

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Yes and no

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Your first vanish was good

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Your second vanish (sorry didn’t send picture) was before

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Also

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You didn’t use any tea

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I was wondering why your envenom % was so low

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Oh

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You’re using the old guild here

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Build

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You need to update to the newest one

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 9:14 PM

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Ah, gotcha

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is it the one on wowhead?

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 9:15 PM

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Yeah

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We drop VV altogether

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And add ma and TTK

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 9:20 PM

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Okay got it, good to know

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Anything else major jumping out other than smoothing out my burst and opener + build?

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 9:22 PM

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Nope

rugged musk Oct 25, 2024, 9:23 PM

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alright, well that's very actionable for me! Thanks a ton for the help again, glad it was something relatively easy. Been really discouraged in raid being so much lower after I swapped off fury for rogue in general, and I was much better at fury than I am at rogue lmao

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not hard to do, fury's pretty brain dead

haughty ginkgo Oct 25, 2024, 9:27 PM

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It’s okay you got this homie

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