log

[odd skiff]

what we doing

[frozen kestrel]

what’s this

[odd skiff]

a fan of knives

in single target

with 2x vicious

[frozen kestrel]

Ahhh fuck with vicious we don’t do this

[odd skiff]

correct

anyway

what's this

[frozen kestrel]

Bad shiv usage I think?

[odd skiff]

you see the problems

so this should be dm - shiv - kb

this means the next shiv should be at 0:18

but it aint

so you wasted a full 5 seconds of shiv during cds

[frozen kestrel]

Understood, I use your W/a when it lights up is that when I press it?

[odd skiff]

yep

[frozen kestrel]

I am pretty sure I’m not is why lol

[odd skiff]

I have a check for the last 8

in case I forget

[frozen kestrel]

Based

[odd skiff]

this tea is out in the middle of nowhere

don't do that

[frozen kestrel]

When is optimal tea?

I think I was out of energy here

[odd skiff]

during shiv, for energy

you never press it outside of shiv

[frozen kestrel]

Understood

Ahhh

[odd skiff]

like this is fine

shiv->kingsbane

and the shivs were 10 seconds apart, not 8

but the tea is okay

[frozen kestrel]

I see, awesome

[odd skiff]

well as long as you didn't overcap

lets see

yep

0 overcap

good tea

yeah idk why you insist on just wasting shiv during your 2 mins like that

your kingsbane at 1min looked fine

[frozen kestrel]

Yeah that seems to be hard fucking me the most

[odd skiff]

I mean still shiv before the kingsbane not after

but you press deathmark and it's just double shiv city

[frozen kestrel]

Do you pay attention to darkest night ever?

[odd skiff]

and these shivs/tea had the right timing, but were just way too late

like if that kingsbane moved to where the mutilate is at 3:28

it would've been perfect

[odd skiff]

idk what you mean by that

you have to consume it right

[frozen kestrel]

Yeah like for sub when I have coup I will sometimes hold it for a cd

[odd skiff]

oh hell no

[frozen kestrel]

Okay understood

[odd skiff]

darkest night is so important, you ignore rupture if it's up

getting the mark back up on the target is prio #1

[frozen kestrel]

Oh damn

I don’t know if you see those slightly odd garrotes in there

I sometimes use it and shiv to get ER envenoms in

I’m not sure if that’s correct

[odd skiff]

are you doing it while garrote isn't in pandemic?

[frozen kestrel]

Yes

[odd skiff]

stop it

[frozen kestrel]

Understood

[odd skiff]

er points hit themselves

just from playing normally

[frozen kestrel]

And then one thing I’ve gotten different answers on I just want to confirm

So when we open we envenom before we go into burst

[odd skiff]

yeah, envenom dm shiv kb

[frozen kestrel]

That’s for the envenom buff

[odd skiff]

correct

[frozen kestrel]

Understood

And we want ideally 100% uptime on that during the encounter

That’s why we sometimes 4 point envenom

[odd skiff]

what

[frozen kestrel]

Uh oh

[odd skiff]

no, we don't do that

at minimum 5cp, or an animacharge

[frozen kestrel]

Understood

And why do we vanish exactly

Is it just for the garrote? Cause a lot of fights I don’t run improved garrote

[odd skiff]

with this?

you don't

if they fixed the bug, you would vanish for ambush during darkest night

but that's bugged atm

so you would just want to vanish if you lose your mark

like ansurek intermission

or something

[frozen kestrel]

Ahhh

So no vanishing until bug fix with that build

[odd skiff]

ye

[frozen kestrel]

But if we have imp garrote or in m+ we do for things like iron wire

[odd skiff]

yes

[frozen kestrel]

Understood, Ty for the all the explanations

[odd skiff]

you vanish for imp gar, but in single target without it the only thing you get is deathstalkers mark

cause you have no stealth talents otherwise

[frozen kestrel]

I see, noted and yeah that makes sense because I was wondering what happens if we somehow lose mark

So takeaways are

1. Optimize shiv usage especially during DM and kingsbane
2. Let ER do it’s thing, only garrote inside pandemic
3. Don’t thistle like an idiot
4. 5 CP envenoms or ER envenom
5. Don’t fan of knives with viscous build

Tyvm Whispyr