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obsidian brook
first thing is that you gotta get envenom up before your cds
envenom before your cds lasts through the start with dm/shiv/kb and applying more poisons during cds is good 
the bigger problem though is this part here
the shivs are so far apart
you're losing shiv uptime during cooldowns cause your dm/kb are basically done by the time you press your second shiv
this tea isn't in shiv
we only tea during shiv
this is better but again the shivs are too far apart
shiv is an 8 second debuff
I should see shiv, 8 seconds, shiv
tea out of shiv again
also your kill time sucks really bad that'll hurt
killing like legit when 2 mins come back up
doesn't get much worse than that
generally looks okay though
dull nova
first thing is that you gotta get envenom up before your cds
Before dm rep echoing + mutilate(if no echo) and envenom, noted
dull nova
Sec, reading all š
obsidian brook
for the record I'm seeing similar issues in heroic
like here on heroic sikran you just didn't press your second shiv at all in opener
and then just randomly two shivs in the middle of nowhere
and just no recovery
so the next kb was bad
you got it back for the 2 min, but this is just slow right, like the KB is 4 seconds into the deathmark, just kinda panicking I think boss moving and all that
but even then you have full uptime, and the shiv should've been where that envenom was after ambush
ER ambush -> then the shiv, that's 8 seconds after the first
dull nova
you're losing shiv uptime during cooldowns cause your dm/kb are basically done b...
So i need to control, after dm, shiv, kb, tea, (mutilates envenoms) shiv just when 1st ends true?
obsidian brook
yeah the tea should be used to get energy back during shiv
dull nova
I have a macro for kb+tea, idk if thats recomended
obsidian brook
it's not
but that's not the issue atm
it's like
not great
but kinda whatever
you just gotta make sure your deathmark/kingsbane has full shiv up time first and foremost
Dm is 16 seconds, kb is 14
so even if you shiv when the first has like 1 second remaining
you'll still get full uptime during cds
it's better to clip it slightly
instead of just like sitting on it
and having it buff nothing
the moment your deathmark and your kingsbane are done your damage will fall off a cliff cause like, burst spec outside of burst right
you don't care for the shiv after it ends
you care for it during
same logic with the tea casts
like casting outside of shiv/cooldowns
what are you buffing with mastery
what are you doing with the energy
you're doing fuck all with it, cause you're not doing damage outside of cooldowns
dull nova
So , the right use is, with the bleeds on the boss slice n dice etc etc... Dm, shiv, kb, tea (damage till shiv gona finish, recast for 100% duration) normal rotation till kb is up, and do the same without dm, then, repeat the 1st rotation, meanwhile, just mutilates/ambush envenom , echo on cd, vanish when 0marks up and to apply improved garrote ?
Somthing like that?
obsidian brook
yeh
outside of cooldowns you're conserving energy and just doing your envenom uptime
dull nova
Aaaah
obsidian brook
during cooldowns you're using your tea charges to get energy
you're getting shiv uptime
big envenom
dull nova
I dnt spam it like a monkey?
dull nova
Thats why i use teas
obsidian brook
yeh no
dull nova
Bcs im like
obsidian brook
tea is for the energy during your cooldowns, where you're doing damage
obsidian brook
outside of your cooldowns you just sit on 5 combo points, wait for your envenom to hit 1 sec left
envenom
build to 5
wait for the envenom
then envenom when it gets low
build back
etc etc rinse repeat
obsidian brook
the damage from doing that properly isn't the biggest thing
it's like 1.5% or something
but the gameplay change is very noticeable
obsidian brook
assa is just all about energy efficiency
when you're outside of cooldowns, spamming envenom wastes uptime on the buff
so you're losing energy efficiency generating those combo points for that envenom
cause you had 3 seconds left on the buff or whatever and you just ate it all
obsidian brook
yeah but you'd get that damage anyway right
you're not overcapping energy ever
so you're getting the same amount of casts
you're just getting BETTER casts
that's the key
obsidian brook
spamming hard works on a bunch of classes that aren't resource limited
like ret is GCD limited
no resources, so the main thing is always casting an ability every gcd always
cause the limiter there is simply time
for us the limiter is energy
so it doesn't make sense to spam your energy away and just sit there jacking off, you're playing to make each cast the most efficient it can be
during your cooldowns that means stacking deathmark/kingsbane/shiv on top of each other, and using your tea charges to squeeze more envenoms during that window, that's when you spam the energy away
obsidian brook
yes
dull nova
When u already have the 3, u dnt wana spam things to spend one and get the mastery buff?
obsidian brook
the first is during your opener to get it on cooldown
dull nova
Bcs if i do it like u said, probably i dnt gona use the full teas
obsidian brook
the rest slowly get used up during shivs on later kingsbanes
like your 1 min kingsbane, the first charge will come back cause 1 min cd
but you'd cast 2 on that one for example
cause you're spamming the energy away
dull nova
Okeey
dull nova
And on next u got 2 again
obsidian brook
but 1 charge will always come back for your kingsbane/shiv
obsidian brook
yeh I mean ideally it's like 1 in opener to get you to 2
then 1 min kb comes back you have 3 charges, you get down to 1
then the deathmark comes back you're at 2, you use 1, now you're at 1 again
the kingsbane comes up, you use 2, now you're at 0
and then you're always just getting your charge back every minute
dull nova
the kingsbane comes up, you use 2, now you're at 0
But u regen 1 for next ye
I see
One more thing
Is better to do, dm shiv kb tea muti env shiv
Or dm TEA shiv kb muti env shiv
I mean, like that 1st shiv and kb
Get the mastery bonus
No?
obsidian brook
it doesn't snapshot
the only thing that snapshots on assa is crimson tempest and that's a whole thing and not really abuseable
so just don't worry about that
for the sake of argument here, everything is dynamic
so dm TEA shiv kb
you're wasting energy
dull nova
And energy is our limit
obsidian brook
dm doesn't cost anything and you're in opener, followed by shiv and kb, which are also very cheap
dull nova
Okey i get it
obsidian brook
so you're just gonna sit there and overcap
idea is that you only ever tea when you can make sure you're not going to waste the energy from it
that's why you wouldn't double tea on deathmarks for example
deathmark gives you back a ton of energy
but the raw kingsbanes with no deathmark, those are prime candidates for double tea
you would like shiv KB mut tea for example
and then shiv tea 8 seconds later
dull nova
deathmark gives you back a ton of energy
Bcs of the bleeding u mean?
obsidian brook
yeah
double rupture/gar
means you get back bunch of energy from that
it's hard to ever need more than 1 tea during deathmark
dull nova
I think that now i understand better how it works xd
Gona need to get used to control the envenom to recast when 1sec
But anything else its ok
Btw
If im on that 1sec and in with 5combo, i recast
But if i have time, i do it on max combo points true?
dull nova
Cant wait for the raid
First boss will be princes hc, so i can test all this
Last question, on bosses where i have caustic spatter
Like the worm
I do exactly the same
Or need more envenom casts durin adds to do more dmg??
dull nova
@obsidian brook
obsidian brook
Same rotation
dull nova
Tyy
dull nova
Hey
Your rogues nick is Whispyr?
I would like to see your logs to compare after the raid
(im also bored at job xD)
obsidian brook
Yeah Iām on kilājaeden
obsidian brook
Couldāve done better
Didnāt augment rune for example
Wrong talents on rashaānan
dull nova
U use the talents that u said on wowh true?
obsidian brook
Yea
dull nova
I import all of them xd
dull nova
I want mi profile to looks at less full orange
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So , rasha no caustic, latter i check if i got it or not
But ye, moobs die so fast
U are also orc
Im human
Probably gona change to mechgnome
For a bit more of damage + the survavility
obsidian brook
Sure
Race change not gonna do shit
But if it makes you feel better
Then itās good
dull nova
I just saw on the simulation from the dc, that is listed as best race
Idk
Well at the end is like 250 more agility
Not a big deal, true
Already gotcha to see u in twich, will learn more watching how u do also on m+
I just do ambush on big mob, garrote rupture echo envenom then all the time 1mutilate 2knives envenom, 3knives envenom 1muti 2knives envenom
But looks like is better to full garrote everyone first
Probably gona feel it more on huge keys where moobs dnt die that fast, i was doing 7 with 1m average dps
obsidian brook
yah well analyzer is shit
you are just straight up not pressing tea what is this
looks fine though aside from that
dull nova
hmmmm
i did not use it
bcs my energy was ok with dm
and u told me that was more an energy generator than for the mastery no?
obsidian brook
yah but in your opener you have to use one to get it on cooldowns
and then 2 on the next kingsbane
etc
dull nova
yes
dull nova
even if that energy is "lost"
obsidian brook
you were under 200 energy for 3 minutes straight
dull nova
im not suposed to be under 50% always?
dull nova
since is not a global, and im a bit lost with it, i cant macro it with somthing?
with shiv or kb
obsidian brook
no
dull nova
im with vicious venoms
but also without improved garrote
wich one i have to follow?
also, if that tea is always after dm-shiv-km-TEA
cant i get used to a macro for the opener one, and a 2nd one for the filler of the 2nd round of burst?
like, openin E /cast kb /cast tea
and a second one like shift+e only for tea
obsidian brook
wich one i have to follow?
the bottom
obsidian brook
cant i get used to a macro for the opener one, and a 2nd one for the filler of t...
you're making this so complicated for a button you just press during shiv when you're under 200 energy man
dull nova
gona try to train it on the dummy
im trying right now, and is a bit hard for now lol
btw anything else that i need to have an eye on it or train more? or just the burst (TEEA) xD
obsidian brook
just the tea
dull nova
Hey whispyr, idk if u still in the thread, just in case
On your guide, u say that i can apply all the ruptures and garrotes on the main target and let them spread, i was changing target, but when tank make huge pullls like in akaara, i flee that i lose a lot of time finding the main target, do it on main or change manual, makes a huge diference? I mean when i have like 8+ adds, under that i think i can handle it much more easy
If is not a big deal i will do it that way, if not i need to find a way, like add focus macro, and maybe add a target focus to a mutilate (diferent than the usual i use)
Also, i made a macro to use ambush and mutilate on same click, with priority ok ambush always, so i have 1 bind less , is that okey?
@obsidian brook tyy
obsidian brook
obsidian brook
Also, i made a macro to use ambush and mutilate on same click, with priority ok ...
this isn't necessary
dull nova
btw, i prefear to just link it here
check this, i think i improve a bit, almost on all the tryes did it kinda good @obsidian brook
probably u gona find somthing, but on the big spectre, is way better than 2 weeks ago š
obsidian brook
yeah that's a 95 looks good