#spero86 - Log Review

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dense swiftBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

chrome kiln
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maybe sb have a look on why iam doing less dmg on this try

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i dont get it

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i might do something wrong on this boss, dunno. always doing shitty dmg

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only difference is he pulls one flag without sb

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at 4:something

devout pilot
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Other people (hopefully) will join in probably smeth but ill trowh my tought in

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there was discussions on 3x dance opener and other than really fast kills (>3min) its not really worth it

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here u branched pretty late and didnt play the dance + subterfuge out but allready vanished for blades

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The backstab also doesnt do much with blades but without Dance

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You couldve had 2 cb's for each of the stec but you only got one

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In the opener couldve ruptured in 2 dance for the finality rupture buff

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here atleast imo no need to SoD this fast you couldve had more uptime on it - also dont know if its a visual bug but heres a whole Dance missing

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Didnt check your friend but likely do some mistakes and mybe he/she had a bit better proc luck

chrome kiln
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thanks so far

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need to go through everything

chrome kiln
devout pilot
# chrome kiln how can i fix this?

By not tripple dancing - If you double dance and play out the subterfuge window + 2 additional seconds you will have a cb for your second stec

chrome kiln
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playing out subterfugewindow means only use the few seconds after vanish to do evis and trigger cdr?

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or is there more?

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and tripple vs doubledance is really a thing

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was looking on lorrgs and soooo many toplogs are doing it

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thats why i picked it up i guess

devout pilot
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after that you will ned like an additional 2sec sothat u can stec as 2 finisher and cb is uo

devout pilot
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but there was just a gain if youre doing a super fast kill

chrome kiln
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so only boss 1 and 3 i guess?

devout pilot
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iirc it was said anything really belov 3 mins

lunar flax
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Everything OP said is good advice, will sumarise a list;

  • don't triple dance
  • optimal play as op said is to vanish after dance, play subt window, then continue.
  • when backstabbing in blades + dance for a DM stack, do it as first builder, as doing it like you are is not really a gain.
  • you don't seem to be doing the finality rupture in dance. type !rupture/!finality in sub discord, that will explain the rule.

also would not be using double on use except for smold or VERY short fights

lunar flax
# chrome kiln was looking on lorrgs and soooo many toplogs are doing it

its not jsut to do with fight lengths, there are VERY nieche scenarios where triple dancing, lines sectecs up for you, but requires a VERY high understanding of spec and encounter, the msot recent discusion was regarding igira and sectecing th speers, triple dancing alowed him to pad without holding

chrome kiln
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the reason why i thought trippledance is also good is, that sometimes i sit for a few seconds on 2 stacks of dance, if iam only doing double

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waiting for symbols

lunar flax
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ye on opener you will sit on 2 charges for a couple secs, this is fine

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the bigger issue with tripel daning is it leads to holding later on or desyns

chrome kiln
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i see

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what is your opinion about vanish after sectech (not only smold or tyndral)

lunar flax
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optimal is to do it after dance ends, play subt, 2 gcds, dance

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or after first sec tec to be lazy

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latter is wrong

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but many do cos its not a massive dps loss

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as long as you now its not the correct way

chrome kiln
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okay already the first sentence is something i dont do correctly i think and this is maybe the reason, why my timings are off

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2 gcds after subt window

lunar flax
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ye

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or you dont get a cb sec tec

chrome kiln
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iam currently training on a dummy no trippledance and vanish after dance. now my timings are fully fucked. second flag is now pulled with blades on 26s cd which is like 10 seconds too late now

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:/

lunar flax
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?

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what

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26sec cd, dust reduces by 30

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therfore fine

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this is somethign sub players who are new to the spec seem to hyperfocus on, timings, exact numbers

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just paly, use stealthis sheet to assign cds to the fight you are on, as long as you know the cd rotations, not sending dance or sod solo

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everything will line up nice without you having to think much about exact sec of cds

lunar flax
devout pilot
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Mybe youre in wrong talents without Swift death? it aligns pretty well actually

lunar flax
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thats sod, nothing to do with that

devout pilot
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oh i tought hes generaly not in line and usualy that happens witouth swift of death where u have to wait a bit longer

chrome kiln
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nono with trippledance i go into my second flag window with like 35s cd on blades

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which then perfectly lines when vanishing etc

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now i train to only doubledance

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but i lose like 10s (blades pulled with 26s remaining cd

lunar flax
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regardelss of double or triple dance in opener, your blades is pressed at the exact same time in the opener

chrome kiln
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iam on my second baldes, sorry if i was confusing

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like at 1:05

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to 1:10

devout pilot
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ye it should align perfectly fine

lunar flax
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i dont understand your issue

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you saying you dont have sb ready

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or what

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like give me 10

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im jsut goingg to send screen shots

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you might jsut be inventing a problem

chrome kiln
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i can record it

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maybe it helps, if you want to put effort in me ^^

devout pilot
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what exactly happens that troubles u

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that youre on 26 left of shadowblades where u get to pull it with vanish?

chrome kiln
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yeah and usually i get it out 10 secs earlier

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which lines up later then better

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i think

devout pilot
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let me try quickly on dummy im not sure what youre doing

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iirc u get one SoD + Dance between opener and Next stack of cds and it ligns pretty much perfectly

lunar flax
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yes it will come out later

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cos you delaying vanish

devout pilot
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yeah 25ish seems fine

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now what i wonder is smeth somenthing i just noticed - the correct way is to play the sub widnow again right? so you pull blades even later

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so 25 sec (somewhere there) - 8 from dance - another 4sek is almost at like 15ish

lunar flax
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it doesnt matter

devout pilot
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its funny because youre doing basically the opposite from opener

chrome kiln
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i recorded it

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its buffering

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i can show you

devout pilot
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i really wonder how people came up with this idea of playing its so unintuitiv

chrome kiln
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i highly think

devout pilot
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but as you can see spero its fine with that timing

chrome kiln
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iam overcomplicating it

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the reason is, i dont do orange logs

devout pilot
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i just tried it and came to the same number

chrome kiln
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and i lost myself somewhere

lunar flax
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right

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something about logs

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they are worthless

chrome kiln
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not if you are new to a guild

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and they want to see you doing dps

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😄

lunar flax
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unless you are killing bosses early, or in a guild that reclears every week early

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you are not getting top logs

chrome kiln
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i personally dont care

lunar flax
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and the answer to that is "its late into patch, logs are worthless without good players for good kill timers, and enough attempts to get the rng"

chrome kiln
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i agree 100%

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but iam trial and need to proof myself. mechanics are fine

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but the other rogue beats me almost every time

devout pilot
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dont let him lure you logs are everything

devout pilot
chrome kiln
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the dance i save in my opener now, where does it actually go off now?

lunar flax
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as soon as you get sod back, you dance + sod

chrome kiln
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yeah i try to do that everytime

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or if low energy use sod 1-2 globals before dance

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can you open that?

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around 1:05

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you see i have to wait

devout pilot
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for recordings like this youd need to enable somenthing that shows what u press kinda hard to follow

lunar flax
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its fine to do that, you getting 2 wet noodle gcds rather than waiting, they could be the 2 gcds to get max cps too

chrome kiln
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yeah i aim to get full cp before dance with early sod

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at least in my head ^^

devout pilot
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mybad then

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didnt know thats the play

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i atleast sit at like 3 sec to SoD to have not wasting energy on those wet noodlers

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for be able to just go when SoD comes up

lunar flax
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everything is up

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and ready

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2/3 secs for sod

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so you can wait that much

devout pilot
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wait this looks weird

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is this supposed to be the 2dance with cb?

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But like smeth said it is up in time

lunar flax
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ye i still dont know what the issue is

devout pilot
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imo the Dance is a bit ealry

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but everything is up

lunar flax
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and that im pretty sure was not trying to do the "optimal" way

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but jsut vanish after sec tec

devout pilot
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ye i saw that too

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the funny thing is

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if he did vanish later he would be a little "later" on 2 set of cds

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which is still fine as we learned today

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so the only issue is vanish at wrong point?

lunar flax
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you need to post log not videos, hard to see

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but looking at your buffs

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the 2nd dance overlaps with the first one

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you need to remove that subt window tracker off of your dance wa

lunar flax
devout pilot
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ye he instantly dances afterwards

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if i see this right

lunar flax
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loses 2 gcds of 1st dance

devout pilot
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its dance vanish and then instantly dance again

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im all for use what u feel comfortable with but that wa is horendous

lunar flax
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its not its fine, one of the standard ones from the rogue disc, jsut sub window needs removing and changed to a dynamic buff above it or sumin

lunar flax
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should have waited 1 gcd with full cps, sent flag, then you could dance +sod finish

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you dont HAVE to go into dance with full cps,

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so you could have flag, finsihed

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then dance sod too

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it doesnt matter what cps you have really,,,,ish, kinda, jsut if you are going to go into dance with a builder, you want to be at low cps so you dont over cap, its jsut cp efficiency

devout pilot
devout pilot
lunar flax
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really doesnt matter

devout pilot
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i guess - to me atleast it felt better

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thank you fuu for the advice

lunar flax
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there are usually 100 things you can do at a more fundemental level that will increase your dmg than always start with a finisher

not fuu

devout pilot
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did he say that

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i mean it is true

chrome kiln
chrome kiln