#cinnabuns - Log Review
mental ember
This is the wrong log I think..
cloud spruce
Nope it's yours
cloud spruce
they are the person who logged it
mental ember
Oohh
dapper karma
thats weird should we cast dance after the first ambush? the sub hasnt faded right?
cloud spruce
yeah I got this
dapper karma
and the BR
cloud spruce
bac, let me handle it ^^
mental ember
I think I tend to not shadow dance right when the fight starts even though I start stealthed heh..
cloud spruce
Okay so, outlaw has a large focus on being in stealth/subterfuge/shadow dance and casting between the eyes during stealth/subterfuge/shadow dance
mental ember
Mhm. I do that as best I can
cloud spruce
In your opener, you hit shadow dance immediately -- but Subterfuge is already active
You gain subterfuge for 6 seconds after breaking stealth or vanish
are you tracking subterfuge uptime with a weakaura?
mental ember
I think I need a weak aura that tells me when subterfuge is up
mental ember
I use one to tell me when I get a free ambush, and also when to refresh my rtb and slice n dice
cloud spruce
because Vanish cooldown is much lower than dance
Your opener is supposed to look like this:
Pre-pull
Blade Flurry >
Stealth >
Roll the Bones >
Adrenaline Rush >
Slice and Dice
On pull
Ghostly Strike > Ambush > ...
and then, you have subterfuge for 6 seconds and should be building CP with ambush and spending CP on between the eyes
then when subterfuge expires, you should get to 6+ CP and Vanish > BtE to get subterfuge again
and then after that 2nd subterfuge, you shadow dance > BtE
So you are chaining stealth uptime for like 18 seconds
mental ember
On a good day I can get that right. Roguing feels so hard though
But I love the kit. I almost never die in fights at least
cloud spruce
outlaw is pretty reactive but you get used to it
Also I see a lot of Vanishes or Dances at low CP into ambush, when they should be a high CP into Between the Eyes
mental ember
I just swapped my off hand slow weapon with a dagger. I’m not sure how much of a difference that’ll make
cloud spruce
should be no difference unless the dagger is Nick of time
mental ember
Also I see a lot of Vanishes or Dances at low CP into ambush, when they should b...
So I should only vanish if I have enough cp for an immediate bteyes?
mental ember
Should I wait to vanish for cooldown to be up?
cloud spruce
You should make sure BtE is not on cooldown by the time Vanish or Dance is ready
mental ember
Okay
cloud spruce
BtE is only used outside of stealth if Vanish cooldown is >45s and Dance cooldown is >12s or so
There are a couple times Vanish or Dance is used without BtE at all
very important that you can always spend CP with BtE inside a stealth window
So on a slightly different topic, outlaw has a lot of moving parts to keep adrenaline rush active, because it does not tick down during stealth windows
With proper gameplay it should have >85% uptime
One of those important parts is roll the bones usage
so, there are lots of moments where roll the bones is completely expiring
this is a large mistake as then the Tier set does not activate
with the tier set you should maintain 3 buffs from roll the bones during most of combat
for example, the roll the bones you use in prepull should give you 1-2 buffs
and then during your opener, when roll the bones comes off cooldown, you should roll immediately and that gives you 3 buffs, because of the loaded dice talent + the tier set
and then, you can just sit on 3 buffs as long as possible
but not letting it expire
having 3 buffs is very important for vanish cooldown, adrenaline rush cooldown etc.
that is basically "the gist" of outlaw -- maintaining 3 buffs from roll the bones and extending adrenaline rush for as long as possible by proper usage of your short cooldowns, while squeezing in as many stealth BtEs as possible
so ultimately, BtE should be your highest damage, ahead of dispatch even
that would be a good sign you have the rotation logic down
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Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)