stntz - Log Review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

peak merlinBOT Dec 28, 2023, 3:36 PM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:36 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hJ2x1cbzdQt3fvAN#fight=71&type=damage-done&source=58&start=24486155&end=24662463

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do you have 4 set tier?

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:37 PM

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I just got it last night. That log was the first one I did with it

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:37 PM

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okay

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because of the tier, your prepull should be RTB > ADR instead of ADR > RTB

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this makes it so your next roll is the one that gets loaded dice instead of prepull

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:38 PM

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ahhh ok, I will have to make that swap

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:38 PM

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So your next roll gets loaded dice + tier to guarantee 3 buffs

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so you opened with shadow dance immediately

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you should prioritize vanish over shadow dance, because its cooldown is much lower than dance

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but also, you should have 6 seconds of subterfuge just from leaving stealth on pull

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so you should not vanish/dance immediately but rather after the first subterfuge window is over

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:40 PM

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shoot, you're right about that too.

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This is super helpful, you're very kind!

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:40 PM

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hypers

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:40 PM

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Another thing I'm looking at is the pistol shot usage. On sim there's 0 CP wasted from pistol shot

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on dummy I wasted 65 CP

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I think I need to mentally plan what my CP will be after the pistol shot usage. Right now I hit PS, look at my CP, and immediately plan my next ability

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:41 PM

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there are a lot of wasted CPs from pistol shot in simc, it is just logged different than warcraftlogs

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:41 PM

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instead I should think about what I expect my CP to be after that PS

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ah ok

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:41 PM

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it is very normal to use pistol procs anywhere from 1-5cp if ambush is not available

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:41 PM

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regardless, 145 wasted CP on sim, 177 on WCL

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:42 PM

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another thing to note is that your sim statistics are an average of tens of thousands of pulls

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instead of 1

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each individual pull it ran has different results

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:43 PM

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I know, but I did about 10 3min dummy session last night and each one ended up being maybe 15-20% below sim avg

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which points at a me issue, not a randomness issue

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definitely getting the opener locked down will be a big boon

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:43 PM

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yep, just making sure we are on the same page

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so your prepull opener should include slice and dice as well

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blade flurry (without hitting anything) > stealth > RTB > ADR > slice and dice

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:44 PM

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got it

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:45 PM

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and then you open with ambush + ghostly strike

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okay so

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from this timeline

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you used pistol shot twice in a row

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but these pistol shots are proccing Audacity

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which lets you use ambush

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so normally you would consume the pistol shot proc. see that it gave you Audacity, and then hit ambush, because ambush has a higher priority than pistol shot

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so "double casting" pistol shot should almost never happen

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but you are kind of doing this a lot

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:48 PM

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OK. I think this is one of my #1 mega issues based on my over use of PS

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:49 PM

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yeah

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:50 PM

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any tips on fitting in more BTE's in subterfuge windows?

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On the sim there's an average of 5.625 BTE's for each sdance/vanish window, on logs I got 4.2

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here's a big screwup.

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:52 PM

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you can use BtE at 5cp in stealth

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and yep, always vanish/dance into BtE

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it looks like you are only using ambush inside stealth

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you should mostly use ambush to build combo points in stealth, but there is also a rule to use the pistol shot proc instead if you have broadsides Broadside from roll the bones, and low combo points

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:54 PM

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that rule?

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:55 PM

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yeah

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well, in the APL, I gave it max stacks, but this is not important

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a remnant of older testing

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:57 PM

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So should it be like any # of stacks of opportunity?

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 3:58 PM

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yeah, or you could do max stacks only, it's all the same

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 3:58 PM

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got it

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OK, this has been extremely helpful, I can't thank you enough. Going to go hit the dummy some more

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 4:00 PM

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hypers

tall maple Dec 28, 2023, 4:00 PM

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hollow tapir

these priorities are also in #outlaw-faq in a bit more digestible form

hollow tapir Dec 28, 2023, 4:00 PM

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I'll study those

hollow tapir Dec 29, 2023, 12:22 AM

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thanks again for the advice. Fixing the pistol shot alone took me from 104 -> 131k on a dummy (sim is 138)

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