#foo_be - Log Review

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plush coyoteBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

warm lion
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@plain lark post the clip here

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and logs if u have any

plain lark
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thanks a lot @warm lion

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how does the log system work? An addon to download?

warm lion
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nvm the logs ;D

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do u have 4p?

plain lark
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no :/

warm lion
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your openener should be: AR -> SnD -> RTB

plain lark
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I'm sorry, I don't speak English very well for little words like that... 😛

warm lion
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we have to always keep up the slice and dice

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oh i see

plain lark
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^^

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I'm belgian

warm lion
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ah perfect

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dutch or french? ;p

chrome steeple
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It looks like you pressed shadow dance while subterfuge from vanish was still running

plain lark
warm lion
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.> the wrong belgian i see

plain lark
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I can't quite figure out the rotation of the outlaw special and it saddens me a lot

chrome steeple
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Your goal with this spec is to BTE as many times as possible during a fight. This means subterfuge windows (after leaving stealth/vanish) and shadow dance window are key

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Due to the crackshot talent

plain lark
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What's subterfuge?

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this one ?

chrome steeple
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Yes, but it is 6 seconds with the crackshot talent

plain lark
chrome steeple
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Look up the crackshot talent, its a capstone talent

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Yeah you need to assimilate it little by little

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There is a lot to digest

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You mean the abbreviations?

plain lark
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I can't find the crackshot talent

chrome steeple
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We have a list somewhere

warm lion
plain lark
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thanks a lot

chrome steeple
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Crackshot is bottom left side

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Of outlaw tree

plain lark
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1- Camouflage (fufu)
2- Instant poison + Astrophying poison
3- Maintain deluge of blades in AoE (I can also use it when adrenaline rush is active (but low dps?)
4- Adrenalin surge on cd (as soon as the spell is available)
5- Jet d'osselets
6- Vanish then between the eyes at +6 pts combos (unless subterfuge/shadow dance is active)
7- Shadow Dance then between the eyes at +6 pts combos (unless subterfuge is active)

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I think I've got the wrong translation of crackshot haha, I don't see it

chrome steeple
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Its the crosshair icon

plain lark
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oh ok

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this one ?

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"Spécialiste du tir"

chrome steeple
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Yep!

plain lark
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Indeed, the translation is not the same

chrome steeple
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Its critical to understand that talent

plain lark
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The outlaw spec is really complicated

chrome steeple
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But also fun!

plain lark
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We agree that:

  1. fufu
  2. Adrenalin rush
  3. Ossicle throw
  4. embush
  5. embush
  6. between the eyes
  7. embush
  8. embush
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Is this the beginning?

chrome steeple
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Not sure what ossicle throw is

plain lark
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dice* sorry

chrome steeple
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Adr and slice in stealth before pull

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Since adr gives you full cp

plain lark
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Yes, stealth then adr then dice

chrome steeple
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You can do more before pull also

plain lark
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The beginning we agree :

  1. stealth
  2. adrenaline rush
  3. roll the bones
  4. start shooting
chrome steeple
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Not quite

plain lark
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The beginning we agree :

  1. stealth
  2. adrenaline rush
  3. roll the bones
    The fight begins:
  4. between the eyes
  5. embush up to maximum combo points
  6. between the eyes
chrome steeple
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If you dont have 4pc then its correct

plain lark
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The beginning we agree :

  1. stealth
  2. roll the bones
  3. adrenalin rush
  4. slice and dice

The fight begins:
4) between the eyes
5) embush up to maximum combo points
6) between the eyes

chrome steeple
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With 4pc you rtb before adr so the next rtb guarentee 3 buffs

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You wont have cp to open with bte since you spent them on slice and dice

plain lark
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The beginning we agree :

  1. stealth
  2. roll the bones
  3. adrenalin rush
  4. slice and dice

The fight begins:
4) embushup to maximum cp
5) between the eyes

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this ?

chrome steeple
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You also finish at 5+ cp while in subterfuge/dance

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And 6+ otherwise

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In opener you will be in subterfuge so only build to 5+ before bte

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Then you need to react to ace up your sleeve procs that can refund cp after you use bte

plain lark
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I upload a movie

chrome steeple
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If you type !wa in outlaw channel there is a wa that plays a sound when this happens

plain lark
chrome steeple
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One thing I see is that you always build to max cp before finishing

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You should only build to 5+ in subterfuge/dance or 6+ outside of those windows

plain lark
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yes

chrome steeple
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Its because you overcap on cp otherwise and also biilders cost a lot of energy

plain lark
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I feel like a fool

chrome steeple
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Dont, its a hard spec

plain lark
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Basically, if I'm at 5cp can I finish?
I don't have to wait until I'm at 6cp to finish, is that what you're telling me?

chrome steeple
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Only finish at 5 if you are in subterfuge or shadow dance windows

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Otherwise 6 or more cp

plain lark
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Ok, now I need to know what is the "window" subterfuge and dance, then I think I understand

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dance :

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is this it ?

chrome steeple
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After you leave stealth you trigger subterfuge buff, it lasts for 6 seconds

plain lark
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ha ok

chrome steeple
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Shadow dance is also a 6 second buff

plain lark
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ok, I see

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when can i get shadow dance?

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spell, okay

chrome steeple
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There is a wa that displays a bar for those timers if you type !wa in outlaw chat and get the one called last gcd in crackshot window

plain lark
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So I always finish at 6cp... except when I'm in subterfuge or shadow dance can I finish at 5cp?

plain lark
chrome steeple
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One really tricky part is at the end of those windows

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If you press bte just after the window ends, then bte goes on cooldown

plain lark
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I don't understand why you use the term "window"? (maybe it's the language barrier, it's an expression, or is there a real point to understanding that?)

chrome steeple
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Time window is an english expression yeah

plain lark
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Can we keep BtE without cooldown?

chrome steeple
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During subterfuge/dance bte doesnt go on cooldown due to the crackshot talent

plain lark
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You have a lot of patience with me, thank you, really

chrome steeple
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So we try to get as many bte off as possible during those

plain lark
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Okay, and when bte goes into cooldown, what do we do?

chrome steeple
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The you dont press vanish or shadow dance until bte is available again

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But the wa you installed plays a sound on the last gcd of subterfuge/dance, so after that sound you press dispatch instead (the other finisher)

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Then you avoid putting bte on cooldown and can use a new vanish or shadow dance to keep using bte

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Its probably the most challenging part of the spec right now

plain lark
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dispatch = vanish ?

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Would it be possible for you to show me your spell bars?

chrome steeple
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No, dispatch is the other finisher

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Im not at my pc right now

plain lark
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gcd = ??

plain lark
chrome steeple
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Gcd is global cooldown

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When you press a skill there is a delay before you can press another skill. That delay is gcd

plain lark
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need to find dispatch now 😄

plain lark
chrome steeple
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Oooh

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You dont even have it on your bars

plain lark
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I find that my spells bars are really poorly organized 😦

chrome steeple
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Its on A

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You only have it on your non stealth bar

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Do you click vanish?

plain lark
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HA

plain lark
chrome steeple
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You dont have a keybind for vanish?

plain lark
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?

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dispatch =

image.png
plain lark
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But it's really a mess in my spell bar 😦 I can't organize it correctly to help me

chrome steeple
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Vanish does not trigger gcd

plain lark
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I would like to know what keybind you use :p

chrome steeple
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So it is pretty important to have keybinds that let you quickly and comfortably vanish and bte almost at once

plain lark
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Yes, I'd like to find a good way of managing these shortcuts

chrome steeple
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Umm, pistol shot you have on F12?

plain lark
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yes

chrome steeple
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Mmo mouse?

plain lark
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but I can change

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no

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just 2 buttons on my mouse

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on left pan

chrome steeple
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Are you pressing pistol shot at all?

plain lark
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yes^^

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click mouse

chrome steeple
plain lark
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xD

chrome steeple
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Its a core rotational ability

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I have 1 SS/ambush, 2 pistol shot, 3 dispatch, 4 bte

plain lark
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Are these your shortcuts?

chrome steeple
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Yeah

plain lark
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I'll do the same as you

chrome steeple
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Ctrl+1 blade flurry, ctrl+2 adrenaline rush, ctrl+3 shadow dance

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X vanish, c ghostly strike

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R is kick

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E roll the bones

plain lark
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Ok, I'm really going to do what you do for me, it looks very optimized.

chrome steeple
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Keybinds are very individual thouh

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But clicking stuff isnt a good idea

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Except maybe applying poisons or something

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I dont have any rotational stuff on F1-F12

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Too hard to reach for me

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Anything beyond 1-5 of the normal numbers is also not comfortable for me

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Q is a good bind too

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Ctrl is not comfortable for some people, most prefer shift I think

plain lark
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back

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sorry

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I was on the phone

plain lark
plain lark
chrome steeple
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Sinister strike

plain lark
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How do you set 1 for SS and Ambush?

chrome steeple
plain lark
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No, you have 1 keybind for 2 spells?

chrome steeple
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The ones you have to press often (all builders and finishers except maybe slice and dice) or that you need to press fast sometimes (kick, vanish, ghostly strike) need very easy to reach and comfortable keybinds in my opinion

plain lark
chrome steeple
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Right, when you get an audacity proc from pistol shot sinister strike is replaced by ambush automatically

plain lark
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Don't you have a keybind just for embush?

chrome steeple
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And on stealth bar you have ambush if you play your build

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So you can use one key for both

plain lark
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So no SS in stealth?

chrome steeple
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Unless you play the other build (keep it rolling)

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Which I do

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But you don't play that build, for you it's correct to never ss in stealth

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This way you can save one really good keybind

plain lark
chrome steeple
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As long as it's comfortable for you it's all good

plain lark
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like this, you ?

chrome steeple
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Looks similar yes

plain lark
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and slice and dice ?

chrome steeple
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I have snd on y

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No sorry, on t

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We almost never have to press it

plain lark
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really ?

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okay

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and those ?

chrome steeple
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Sprint I have on ctrl+4

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Hook on a mouse button

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Evasion on the key left of 1

plain lark
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²

chrome steeple
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Cloak on alt+3 (but don't copy this, I'm just used to having a defensive there)

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Step on 5 currently

plain lark
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ok xD

chrome steeple
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Feint on ctrl+q, shiv on ctrl+e

plain lark
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okay ty

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all keybinds xD

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Remember all this 😮

chrome steeple
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You'll have to hit the dummies for some hours to relearn keybinds probably

plain lark
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YES /:

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yes :/*

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how often do you use pistol shot?

chrome steeple
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I mean, basically anytime that you can't use ambush and you have the opportunity proc buff

plain lark
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okay, thanks a lot bro

chrome steeple
plain lark
chrome steeple
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It can be used in stealth too as you can see but not often and only if you have the broadside rtb buff

plain lark
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Sounds good to you?

chrome steeple
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Starting to look good

plain lark
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It seems complicated to use shift and ctrl 😮

chrome steeple
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Hard to find enough keybinds otherwise in my opinion

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But if you find them uncomfortable maybe you can find another solution

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Most important is to have comfortable binds for the rotationak stuff

plain lark
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Ok, thank you very much for all this information and your patience... I managed to do 120k dps there

chrome steeple
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Time to put everything in practice probably

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You can always come back with a new video or log later

plain lark
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Thank you very much ❤️

chrome steeple
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Probably also a good idea to read the faq again now that you understand more

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Np, good luck!

plain lark
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thankkks

plain lark
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Hi, how are you @chrome steeple ? 🙂

chrome steeple
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All good 👍

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U?

plain lark
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Everything's fine, I celebrated my birthday yesterday... it was great!

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Now I've just logged on to wow to try to continue learning the rotation...

chrome steeple
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Gz! Good luck with the rotation Surebud

plain lark
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thanks..

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🙂

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what's your battle tag ? 🙂

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can I add you ?

chrome steeple
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Yeah, but I'm not online atm

plain lark
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okay 🙂

chrome steeple
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Sent bnet tag in dm

plain lark
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ty

plain lark
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do you have a wa that tells you when you've run out of applied poisons @chrome steeple ? 🙂

chrome steeple
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I do yeah

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There's a lot of them on wago

plain lark
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I just did a dungeon, it's horrible how bad I am 😦

chrome steeple
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Got a new log?

plain lark
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need raidbot to get logs ?

chrome steeple
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I mean on warcraftlogs

plain lark
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how it works ? ^^

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need to download client ?

chrome steeple
plain lark
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thanks, i'll try

chrome steeple
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I use an addon called loggerhead

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But it's also available in others, like the raider.io addon

plain lark
chrome steeple
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Maybe you already have one of them installed