karal111 - Log Review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

obtuse forumBOT Dec 6, 2023, 7:18 AM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

uneven dew Dec 6, 2023, 7:22 AM

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My character name is Karal, I'm ranking 5-15% for my ilvl on logs and having trouble telling what's wrong. I appreciate any help

somber hound Dec 6, 2023, 7:23 AM

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Im on phone rn, but right off the bat u start the fight 11 seconds late

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Which makesbu miss the 1st subterfuge window frombstealth

uneven dew Dec 6, 2023, 7:23 AM

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which fight is that ? I usually use tott on tank and go right away

somber hound Dec 6, 2023, 7:23 AM

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Igira

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The best log to review as its basically pure st

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Igira normal

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So u miss theb1st subterfugenwindow, then u pt bte on cd which makes u delay vanish amd then u dont use shadow dance until 1 min 17 into the fight

uneven dew Dec 6, 2023, 7:25 AM

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on Igira I try to make sure I'm behind the second tank so I don't die but I'm not sure how to see 11 seconds. that sounds a bit much to me too

somber hound Dec 6, 2023, 7:26 AM

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We never hold cooldowns, its always send send send

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Maybe logbis broke on phone

uneven dew Dec 6, 2023, 7:28 AM

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on igira I'm seeing I meleed 1.5 seconds after start, maybe i'm reading wrong but not sure where else to find 11 seconds

somber hound Dec 6, 2023, 7:33 AM

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Oh interstinf must be a phone thing

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I will do this on my lunch break 🙂 unless someone else was before me

uneven dew Dec 6, 2023, 7:33 AM

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thank you, i really appreciate it

somber hound Dec 6, 2023, 7:33 AM

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If u wanna check my logs seebwhats different u can sear baloutherog

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Theyre decent 🙂 but i get lazy sometimes

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Or any top log

uneven dew Dec 6, 2023, 7:34 AM

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i'm hitting my head against the walls pretty much, i'm trying hard to figure out how i can rank that low. i don't need 90%, but at least average would be nice

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I see yours, pretty good logs, I'd love to get at least blue as well, you're purple in most logs

somber hound Dec 6, 2023, 11:29 AM

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So, on current outlaw rogue we wanna maximise our stealthwindow uptime. Subterfuge and shadowdance.

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It is very important to get as many bte casts in these windows.

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First things first. Your opener should be this: before the pull we start out of stealth -> press bf at 8 seconds -> go intobstealth -> press adrenaline rush + slice and dice

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None of these buffs will losebduration because of the new talent underhanded upperhand

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This means we dont have to spend ourbfirst finisher on snd

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We followbrhe finisher rules +5 cp in stealth and 6+ cp out of stealth

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So instead of yhe ambush- ambush- snd that you do we will have ambush-ambush-bte

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Or ambush-bte if u got to 5cp

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We wanna use our cds optimally. This means we use vanish before shadow dance. As vanish gets its cd reduced and sd doesnt

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At 11 seconds you use shadowdance instead of vanish

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At 12 seconds u pressed ambush 4 times. This should be a max of 2 as you generate 3 combo points each cast and we finish at in stealth windows. U are overcapping combo points without spending them on bte which loses dps massively

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At 18 seconds you use your opportunity proc to go to 6 combo points, but you dont press a finisher to spend them so the next 3 sinister strike casts are overcapping on cps

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Assuming you didnt put your bte on cd after consuming the ps proc that puts u at 6cp, you shouldbhave cast vanish to go into another subterfuge window

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Main take aways.

Prioritize vanish over shadow dance if its up
Make sure to use these cooldowns if they are available. Vanish should be used 7 or 8 seconds into the pull right after coming out of the 1st subterfuge window, then shadow dance 6-7 seconds later. Alway build to 6 combo points before using vanish or sd tho.
Combo point management, we will sometimes overcap. But it is important to follow the finisher rule, out of stealth finish at 6+cp inside of stealth finish at 5+

uneven dew Dec 7, 2023, 1:07 AM

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Thank you @somber hound , most of the time I use vanish first, this may be one of the instances where I made the mistake. overcapping cp is a good point, i've been trying to get better at that. if you get a chance can you please have a look at volcoross normal log there? I felt I did better on that fight but still ranked pretty low

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I understand what you've said, I'm just wondering what would be the biggest losses caused by in my case. Outlaw faq says blade flurry on single target is min-max and not a huge increase. I guess i should try to track how many times I overcapped cp

somber hound Dec 7, 2023, 6:26 AM

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Yeah i can do that. Biggest losses are overcapping cp and losing uptime in stealth windows. If ur at 6 combo point s and dont press a finisher ur also not gonna get the cdr on vanish amd AR and stuff

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So it all adds up

uneven dew Dec 7, 2023, 7:25 AM

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i see that makes sense, snowball effect. i've noticed my user interface has a slight lag in dungeons/raids. it's very responsive on target dummy but in dungeons i press a button and nothing happens so i got used to double tapping each key. sometimes this leads to overcapping

somber hound Dec 7, 2023, 12:00 PM

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Ait, things to take away from volcorss.

U let roll the bones drop for like 20 seconds which is a big nono. Do u have a weakaura that tells u when to roll?
U want to press ps with an opportunity proc inside of stealth windows when u have 0-1 cp and the broadside buff active.
Overall the volcoross log is done quite well.
Itll be hard to log very good because u are low ilvl and no 4pc

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U will get a big difference in AR uptime as u were on 76% which is pretty normal without 4pc

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With 4pc thats gonna be 90%+ usually

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