#mirelo. - Log Review

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jovial gobletBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

latent nova
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(for clarity. I'm Galrath, the sub rogue is a buddy)

hexed harness
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Well, watching the vod you sat on dance for an eternity in your opener

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which made your vanish refresh very slowly

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Then you danced on shades

cursive karma
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Also looks like you sometimes struggle a bit with deciding what skill to use in a gcd

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Leading to sizable gaps

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Apm is generally on the low side for outlaw

hexed harness
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TBH I think updating your UI will probably help? Maybe you're used to that setup, but it seems very hard to read to me

latent nova
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I'm not married to it. Haven't played much outlaw this season yet.

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And thanks for having a look already!

hexed harness
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Positioning is a big thing too

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Blade Flurry is a circle around you

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and you're often positioned as if it's a frontal cone

latent nova
hexed harness
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Outlaw APM is very fast paced, but you are thinking a lot about some globals

cursive karma
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Spec apm is very high

latent nova
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Yeah that's what I thought 🙂

cursive karma
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We have 0.8 sec gcd with ar up

hexed harness
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And with proper play it is basically always up

cursive karma
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Not keeping up with the tempo means less cdr, less cdr means fewer crackshot windows

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The key for this spec right now is getting as many crackshot windows as possible while maximizing the number of btes you churn out in those windows

hexed harness
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But ya def start with the UI I think. You have too much stuff and seem to ignore even what you do have sometimes. There are dozens of WA packs that do a great job of tracking everything

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Play around with some of them on the dummies and see what feels good for you

latent nova
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Ok going to do that, thank you

cursive karma
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In the log I can see examples of vanish into ps or another builder

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Build to 6+ cp then vanish into bte

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Same for dance

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Other than that we never hold those cds except maybe at end of a pack

hexed harness
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There are a lot of points where you sit on Vanish and/or Dance for long periods for no clear reason, so I feel like that is one result of your cluttered UI

latent nova
cursive karma
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As soon as vanish comes off cd, next time you are at 6+ cp you just hit it

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Better to start by using it insta imo

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Later you can learn to hold at end of a pack maybe.

latent nova
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Yeah I think that focus on that will already be a huge difference

hexed harness
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I'd say Nix the GS WA entirely for now. Just macro it into SS until you get comfortable with the spec. You should mostly just send it on CD anyway.

cursive karma
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Also think you are not using bf with deft enough

hexed harness
cursive karma
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Possibly get a wa or plater mod that shows gs on nameplates clearly

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So you don't switch off that target by accident

latent nova
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I have a bf cd tracker but it's super small

cursive karma
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Especially important if you macro gs

hexed harness
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Oh, maybe I missed it entirely then

latent nova
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Isn't the other build only a small dps loss?

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Green skin

hexed harness
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It is like 2-2.5% loss

cursive karma
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Gsw build is barely used

latent nova
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Perhaps better to start with that until I figure out the basics?

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Ah ok

hexed harness
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Macroing it and occasionally swapping targets is a smaller loss

cursive karma
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Kir is used more

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But it's harder than HO

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More stuff to track

latent nova
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I'll just macro it

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It's hard enough as it is 😉

cursive karma
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Not the easiest spec, but fun!

hexed harness
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Do you have 4 piece or no?

latent nova
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So: cd usage, positioning, apm, stealth window finishers

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Yep

hexed harness
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Ok I see you with only 2 RTB buffs most of the time

latent nova
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I'm relying on this rtb weakaura

cursive karma
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You might roll too often then

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Is your rtb wa up to date for 10.2?

hexed harness
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The WA is likely out of date

latent nova
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It should be

hexed harness
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With 4 piece the rule now is basically just always have 3 buffs

cursive karma
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We only really roll when buffs are about to expire

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Or just before crackshot window if they would run out during the window

latent nova
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Hm

cursive karma
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Only other time we reroll is if you for some reason had to roll without loaded dice and only got 2 buffs

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Then you would reroll once you get loaded dice

hexed harness
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Oh, another big one

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You're often opening from stealth with ambush while you dont already have blade flurry up

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open with flurry

cursive karma
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Bf is a very nice global in aoe with deft talent, even with buff already up

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It's your highest priority builder at 5 or more targets

latent nova
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Yeah I'm going to track that more effectively

cursive karma
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Very low energy cost and lots of cp

hexed harness
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Basically just always open from stealth with blade flurry, is a good rule of thumb.

latent nova
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Ui overhaul is step 1

hexed harness
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not always correct, but it usually is

cursive karma
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Think you have enough to work on for now

latent nova
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Haha for sure

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Thanks for the advice guys , much appreciated!!

cursive karma
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Too much at once is hard to absorb

hexed harness
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Yaa, give this stuff a go and if you still want more advice come back in a few days

cursive karma
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Good luck and feel free to come back with a new log when you feel like you've worked on this stuff

latent nova
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One qq: how much dps do you think I should do on 5 dummies?

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Just so I know if I'm getting it right

cursive karma
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You can sim that

hexed harness
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Patchwerk 5 targets

latent nova
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If I sim it says 520k

cursive karma
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Target dummies 5 targets

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Not patchwerk

latent nova
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No buffs then though I guess

hexed harness
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Oh right, dummies have lower armor right?

cursive karma
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Patchwerk will enable all raidbuffs

hexed harness
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I mean, you can turn them off

cursive karma
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Sim 5 target dummies then hit dummies until you can match that number roughly

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You can turn them off but that's what the target dummy sim does for you

hexed harness
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Non bosses have lower armor/mitigations as well. 5 target PW should always sim lower than the same sim on Dummies, unless theyve changed how that works over the years

latent nova
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Cool

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Thank you

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Really appreciate it!

hexed harness
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Good luck!

latent nova
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One quick follow-up question in case you're still monitoring this: im close to hitting target dummy dps consistently now, so that's a good improvement. With that says, the dungeon slice dps is REALLY high

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Is that something that I should strive for as well?

cursive karma
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Not really

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Can't really compare dslice to an actual key

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Target dummy sim you can try to strive for absolutely

latent nova
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Ok, thank you! So what would be good to strive for in a dungeon? Probably dungeon specific, but any way I can benchmark on a number?

cursive karma
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it depends on too many variables

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how the tank pulls etc

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maybe if you have a really clean run, you can log it and upload to wcl and check the damage done key% column

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now that augs exists though it is even harder

latent nova
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Yeah that's the messed up thing

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I see these rogues pumping 230k overall

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But it's always with aug, at least on YouTube

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Do you have any streamers you'd recommend watching?

cursive karma
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glyco, casualaddict and llmch

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for m+

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not so many are playing outlaw in raid

latent nova
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I'm only focusing m+ 🙂 just chilling as sin in raid

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Thank you

cursive karma
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Llmch usually puts up some runs on youtube as well

latent nova
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Very curious what's going wrong

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My understanding is also that I should be able to keep Adrenalin rush up... but somehow I can't towards the end

cursive karma
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Usually not 100% uptime on AR

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Hmm. Do you have 4pc?

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First roll you had two buffs, but after second roll you still had only two

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Must have done a roll without loaded dice there?

latent nova
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Yeah I do have 4p

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How do I proc loaded dice?

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Should I roll first and then AR?

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In the prepull?

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I've been noticing this as well.. I thought I should always get 3 buffs if I roll on 2 buffs

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Is that the case?

cursive karma
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Yes. Roll first then ar so that your second roll can utilize 4pc

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Then you are guaranteed 3 buffs on the second roll and then you just keep that going

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You only roll away 2 buffs if you have loaded dice buff up

latent nova
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Ok so in this clip the prepull was the problem

cursive karma
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If you roll with 2 buffs without loaded dice you keep one of the old buffs, but if you roll a single buff (pretty likely) you still only have 2

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The prepull AND second roll was without loaded dice

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You did prepull with loaded dice for 2 buffs, then rolled again long before buffs were running out but without loaded dice

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If you mess up prepull like that you should wait to reroll until you have loaded dice again or buffs are running out (last 2 or so sec)

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Easier to keep AR uptime if you have more buffs so maybe that's the reason

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Hard to see anything else without a log. Gcd tracker is tricky to follow imo

latent nova
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let me do another 5 min thing and i'll log it

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log doesn' show the fight =/

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QQ what kind of input lag is recommended?

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Spell queue window I believe it's called

latent nova
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Going with 100

cursive karma
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100 is too low imo

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Only reason to lower it is if you feel you have issues where the wrong abilities go off in a gcd

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If you hammer a lot that might happen

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But otherwise you use the queue window to make sure there's as little gap as possible between the gcds

latent nova
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Ok, what would you recommend setting it at?

cursive karma
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It's a bit individual, but if you are not having issues with "wrong gcds" going off, then leave it at 400. If you do see issues maybe lower by increments of 50 until you don't have issues. But I don't think you should go lower than 150

latent nova
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Starting to see progress! The Rolling behavior, ui change and including blade flurry as builder makes a big difference

latent nova
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Messed up a few pulls - but this is quite a bit better I think

cursive karma
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looked a little bit at this log and it does indeed look better, but there is still room for improvement I think

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BTE cpm is often something above 15 in good logs and here it is 11.7

latent nova
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Casts per min?

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I wonder if that's driven by the #of casts in each window or by the # of windows Im able to land

cursive karma
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yes casts per min

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can look more in detail later maybe

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but it's getting to the level where its hard to figure out

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can be overall cpm being lowish too

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uptime on mobs matters, positioning well for bf matters a lot too

cursive karma
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fall has a lot of natural downtime though, not the best dungeon for comparisons

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better to look at some all action one with no downtime maybe, like EB or BRH

latent nova
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Ok, I'll have a scan through those next time I complete a decent run

latent nova
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@final flume

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Have a look through this thread

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Helped me a lot

latent nova
cursive karma
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I'll take a look

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I think you are using ss a lot when you have opportunity available

latent nova
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Yeah that might be true

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Fixable with macro? Or just a matter of git gud?

cursive karma
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Not fixable with macro, but maybe a wa

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But basically you only want to press ss as a last resort with HO build

latent nova
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So I don't use it to top up when I'm at 5 CP

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?

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Outside of stealth

cursive karma
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Since pistol shot can proc audacity and then ambush can proc opportunity

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No, not even then

latent nova
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I think all the streamers I've been watching played KIR

cursive karma
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Yeah. Kir is much more conservative with pistol shot

latent nova
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So basically unless I have 0 procs

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No ambush / opportunity

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At 5 CP

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I don't use Sinister strike

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A bit unfortunate phrasing with the double negative, lemme try again

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I only use SS when I'm at 5 combo points and have no audacity or opportunity procs?

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Or do I just send Dispatch then?

cursive karma
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You can use it at any cp if you have nothing else and don't have enough cp to finish

latent nova
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Got it. That's helpful. Did you see any other things that stand out?

cursive karma
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Not yet, will look a bit more

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Seeing some pistol shots without opportunity buff as well

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Those are very costly

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Cost double energy and you only get 1 cp and do very little damage

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You also have some finishes at too low cp

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Like 4cp, even 3 at times

latent nova
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Got it

cursive karma
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Probably just misplays, not misunderstanding the rotation

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But worth working on

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Maybe with better WAs

latent nova
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I'll keep plugging away, thanks for the advice!