#Ziruu log review

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tardy bear
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Hi! Sorry but Makeitquake cannot answer the log right now but I’m sure a top tier gamer is going to help you asap WideGeorgeHappy

untold thorn
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I guess opener is OK..probably a problem with my energy? Often fall below 50%..in some fights i did not watch the boss timeline and wasted KB.. and is 4 set that big? Use 2p/2p right now. „Bad“ trinkets ..

tardy bear
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@meager bridge @dense quest sorry to ping you here too.
But two at once rooDerp

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Appreciate you kings

dense quest
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This guy's doing more than me in practice, but maybe I can full nerd theory and find stuff x)

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Any particular fights or just overall Ziru?

tardy bear
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Look at an st fight

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Stuff like gnarlroot can change everywhere

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Based on timings and whatnot

untold thorn
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Maybe you see some important things to improve

dense quest
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I can look through the Smolderon and Igira fight, since you died on Volcoross

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Just gimme a sec and I'll try to get some pointers out 🙂

untold thorn
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Many many thanks!!

meager bridge
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smold will be a lil scuffed due to damage orbs

dense quest
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Why would it be scuffed? 😮

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Just go KB on pull and send the whole DM KB on orb with lust

meager bridge
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yeah fight timings can be swapped around with lust etc is all

dense quest
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Yeye

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But their guild did the right lust and he also held DM for orb so thats ThumbsUp

meager bridge
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yeah i hadn't looked, all g

dense quest
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But good point to look out for for sure

untold thorn
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Sometimes i run out of energy and start pooling but idk if i do it correctly. An y i guess my gear is still trash but compared with other ilvl logs my dmg is still shit

meager bridge
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it's hard to compare to ilvl atm, cause there will be people with 4 pc still at your ilvl

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others with huge daggers and low rest of their gear etc

dense quest
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(hey thats me, no weapon no tier set :'D)

untold thorn
meager bridge
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also, in a way, in the first week, alot of the people are top mythic raiders, so the parse % will potentially go up as more casual players complete the fights

dense quest
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But huh, small thing at least on smolderon, you're getting Rupture before SnD, not sure if its better/worse/the same, but I know all guides do SnD - Rupture in the opener

untold thorn
meager bridge
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these shiv lines should be connected in the pairs. might need to track the shiv debuff to make sure you arent missing kb ticks in the middle of the window

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untold thorn
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Ok so use shit when shit still remain 1 sec ?

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Shiv** not shit

dense quest
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You can overlap. KB is 14s, Shiv is 8s x2

meager bridge
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shiv is 8s, with kb only 14, gives you 2s leeway, 1 sec of which you use in the gcd before kb

untold thorn
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Okay good call, is noted

meager bridge
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i see you also drop off envenoms a lil bit, it doesn't matter so much until you get 4pc, but you want to be chaining them inside the previous window until you can't anymore, and then waiting till your energy bar has filled back up before beginning a new chain

dense quest
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Also, your tea usage seems odd. On that Smolderon fight, you don't use it in your fight KB window, proceed to use two stacks basically back to back during downtime (within 5s of each other), and then 2 more on the DM KB.

You then held KB for a looooong time and never paired it with DM ever again? These two NEED to be matched together every 2 minutes, only not to send on CD is to wait for execute timing if these are gonna be your last round of CDs for the fight.

untold thorn
dense quest
meager bridge
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one thing i noticed was it is kinda hard to maintain the envenom buff when reapplying rupture, so you should aim to get 5/6 cp envenom prior to refresing rupture to give you the time to build

untold thorn
meager bridge
untold thorn
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Okay so basicly i panic a bit to much and just calm down a bit out of CD windows

dense quest
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For the pooling thing:

If you aren't in a "Burst window" (aka Dance + KB), you go into maintenance mode, meaning:
-Make sure target has both rupture + garrote
-Use Mutilate to 4+ CP
-Use Envenom when you're high on energy, then you chain it down. Meaning, after that first envenom, you Mutilate twice, wait out the whole Envenom duration, then do another one and repeat. At some points you will add a Garrote in your mutilates to fill and refresh, and spam faster finishers for a Rupture.
-Once you get low energy, you just pool. You will end up with a few seconds of not doing anything and its normal, we aren't outlaw

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I tend to never ever use Tea outside burst windows. I use one on my opener KB + DM, then I will use the 1 stack per min to match with KB, and the 2 "bonus" charges I use to open my Deathmarks

untold thorn
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Okay so i hold for every burst window 2 teas? And can use between the windows

meager bridge
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the most important part with tea is to have it rolling for the last tick of kb

untold thorn
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I read something that we use tea at beginnig on burst and to the last 6 secs of KB to buff it

dense quest
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My usage (which is not backed by any sims or pros) is 1 Tea on normal Dance + KB, and 2 Teas per Deathmark + KB (outside the opener)

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Last 6 sec is CRUCIAL

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At the start, imo its mainly so you have energy to spam the whole way through

untold thorn
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Get it okay

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So overall i did a OK Job, need to get better gear and improve timings in CDs

dense quest
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The way the spec is tuned, we have downtime right. So you'd rather have downtime outside cooldowns, and using Tea then just loses out on the Mastery portion of it

meager bridge
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there are some good weakauras for trackign when to use cd's i'll screenshot the one i made for myself as an idea

untold thorn
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Yes please

untold thorn
meager bridge
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give me 2 secs, i need to turn hdr, you cannot see anything

dense quest
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Other thing, on CD management for optimization

untold thorn
meager bridge
dense quest
untold thorn
dense quest
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On Igira, you had some delay between KB 1 and KB 2, which "technically" lost you a cast, but that part is hindsight. Still a bad habit, it should be sent ASAP so that you dont lose time on both KB and for DM (because you dont send DM without KB)

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I was also gonna suggest holding your 2nd DM for execute window, but it was in. Your comp is just soooo frontloaded with those DKs that the dmg graph is skewed

meager bridge
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So the purple lines are when i need to shiv between, green line is when i have to tea after, and the white lines are when to vanish to hit the last 2 ticks

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untold thorn
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I also often forgot the garote after dance/KB…

untold thorn
meager bridge
meager bridge
untold thorn
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WTF okay

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Never did it..masterassasin is 6 seconds ?

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Ehh 3

dense quest
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3

meager bridge
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no, 3, but kb ticks at expiration and 2 seconds before

dense quest
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You vanish for Master Assassin for the last 2 ticks and you can also get another improved garrote from it

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To fully extend with pandemic the first one in Shadow Dance

dense quest
untold thorn
dense quest
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My normal pre burst is like:

Garrote + Rupture like a full cycle or two before

  • Mutilate twice
  • Sit on it for like 5 seconds to get energy
  • Envenom
  • Shiv
  • Shadow Dance + Kingsbane and go
untold thorn
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This is normal burst window right?

meager bridge
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also, keep in mind, you will want 5+ cp if you are in a dm burst window for the envenom leading into that

dense quest
untold thorn
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With Deathmark you use DM before KN right?

meager bridge
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otherwise 4+ is fine for just dance

untold thorn
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Okay

dense quest
untold thorn
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So mast thing the vanish thing

meager bridge
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yeah, use vanish with the dm burst as well

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our cd's line up so nicely now

untold thorn
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KB is ticking - shiv is active, tea is active when i use vanis? Last 3 seconds on KB ?

meager bridge
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between 3 seconds and 2

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any time in there is fine

untold thorn
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Okay

meager bridge
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before 3 you miss last tick, and after 2 you miss the second last tick

untold thorn
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Okay last thing which weak auras you would recommend ?

untold thorn
meager bridge
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i haven't used any really so i'm not able to recommend as i make my own.

meager bridge
untold thorn
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Okay

meager bridge
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i guess the only one is notters kb tracker. which is kind of a minigame to practice

untold thorn
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Is Zacs weakaura good for assa? Currently use them

untold thorn
meager bridge
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there is a similar version of what i have in the !wa command that LE made which is more dynamic

dense quest
meager bridge
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for the timers on things in kb

dense quest
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But yeah, I think overall you've got a few things to work on and all Ziru, if you've got further questions feel free to poke back later 🙂

untold thorn
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Thank you guys i will test a bit around and come back to you witj 99‘s

meager bridge
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hell yeah!

untold thorn
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@dense quest ur are german?

dense quest
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Sorry, Canadian x)

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Some screenshots were in German cuz your logs we're German and I didn't swap em back to English

untold thorn
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Okay because the review of my log was in german. Was thinking that u also german

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Ok get it

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Thanks buddy!!

dense quest
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Npnp, have a good evening!

untold thorn
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I got another question, how important is it to stay aboce 50% energy

dense quest
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Not really a whole lot

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Dont think much of it, but when pooling you naturally should float slightly above

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During burst you just full send and dont care about sanguine blades

untold thorn
tardy bear
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Your KB windows aren’t great.
You also kept pushing them further and further and further back.
You started at 10s and ended at 5:41ish.
Losing 30s of cd kinda big.
You also had some pretty bad teas (wanna make sure mastery hits the end always)
And you’re wasting a lot of combo points

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It’s not a lot in the grand scheme of things.
But 3 envenoms

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Kinda biggly

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Also as weird as it is with the timer, you probably want to hold that DM for 5m instead of sending at 4.
So you can get a second pot in with everything.
You also didn’t receive PI in mythic when almost every sin rogue on mythic prog is going to

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So you lost 10ishk damage just from that

untold thorn
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so regarding kingsbane you mean that i need to send them ON CD

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yea the thing with teas i know

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okay okay thank you

tardy bear
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Loosely, you want to always send with dm every other one.
But you kept pushing it back a lot

untold thorn
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what is that mean

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i tried to use KB on cd

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sometimes need to dodge or play a mechanic where i cant send cds

tardy bear
untold thorn
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is that a big thing? i

tardy bear
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In this case? It means nothing

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But it’s something to be wary of

untold thorn
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okay sure

tardy bear
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Your kb lines weren’t great. That’s the major thing I saw.
Teaing too early. Shiv overlap, etc

dense quest
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If the fight lasted 6:30, it would have been an entire cast missed, that's what it's important/can matter

untold thorn
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but shiv should overlap or ?

tardy bear
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Major overlap.
Not like a second or two

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I have a specific bit hold

dense quest
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Shiv can overlap for 1-2 sec per use, not any more

untold thorn
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okay

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thanks guys wil ltry it

tardy bear
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Actually yeah you have almost exclusive 8s shivs. My b on that one

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You had one specific point where ig you were energy starved